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------RESULTS-------
I finally found time to do some math here, sorry for the delay, had my final exams (I'm chef now yay!)
Thanks for everyone who participated!
The results are not very surprising, i think the Top 10 came off very well. In the lower rankings, there is some weirdness going on here and there, which is normal as the sample size isnt all too big. But even there, it turned out quite OK.
As i mentioned before, the top 30 aligulac and the WCS ranking did also count as two rankings; The Top 30 aligulac got points from 30 to 1, 100 WCS points meant 1 ranking point [200+ points neccessary].
Here are the results:
1 -  Bunny (377)
2 -  Snute (305)
3 -  Lilbow (290)
4 - MarineLorD (220)
5 - ShoWTimE (167)
6 - Harstem (146)
7 - MaNa (137)
8 - Petraeus (118)
9 - Happy (113)
10 - TLO (87)
11 - Serral (83)
12 - FireCake (73)
13 - NaNiwa (72)
14 - Jim (65)
15 - Welmu (58)
16 - Kane (56)
16 - Nerchio (56)
18 - MajOr (55)
19 - iAsonu (36)
19 - Scarlett (36)
21 - GunGFuBanda (33)
21 - TargA (33)
23 - Sen (32)
24 - Has (31)
24 - Ret (31)
24 - TooDming (31)
27 - iaguz (30)
27 - HeRoMaRinE (30)
29 - elfi (29)
30 - MaSa (26)
+ Show Spoiler +31 - HuK (25) 32 - Kelazhur (24) 33 - uThermal (22) 34 - MorroW (21) 34 - State (21) 36 - PtitDrogo (19) 37 - qxc (17) 38 - Xenocider (15) 38 - Elazer (15) 40 - Verdi (14) 40 - PiG (14) 42 - Xigua (13) 43 - MacSed (8) 44 - mOOnGlaDe (8) 45 - Kas (4) 45 - Zanster (4) 47 - Bly (3) 48 - puCK (2) 49 - ToD (1)
Top 10 by race:
Protoss
1 - Lilbow (290)
2 - ShoWTimE (167)
3 - Harstem (146)
4 - MaNa (137)
5 - NaNiwa (72)
6 - Jim (65)
7 - Welmu (58)
8 - GunGFuBanda (33)
9 - Has (31)
10 - elfi (29)
Zerg
1 - Snute (305)
2 - Petraeus (118)
3 - TLO (87)
4 - Serral (83)
5 - FireCake (73)
6 - Kane (56)
7 - Nerchio (56)
8 - iAsonu (36)
8 - Scarlett (36)
10 - TargA (33)
Terran
1 - Bunny (377)
2 - MarineLorD (220)
3 - Happy (113)
4 - MajOr (55)
5 - iaguz (30)
5 - HeRoMaRinE (30)
7 - MaSa (26)
8 - Kelazhur (24)
9 - uThermal (22)
10 - MorroW (21)
Race points:
1110 points (17 players)
1042 points (20 players)
954 points (13 players)
In the next months ranking, the rankings have to be between Top 10 and Top 20, rather than between Top 5 and Top 30.
------ORIGINAL POST--------
Since the Community Power Rank from The_Red_Viper won't contain any non-koreans, i thought it would be a cool idea to make a non-korean Power rank - and add a few rules to make it more legit.
It works exactly the same way as the original, you give me ur rankings and i'll add them up in a week from now (4th of June).
The difference is: you can give me anything from your Top 5 up to ur Top 30.
In case you do a top 30 list, rank 1 gives 30 points, rank 2 gives 29 and so on.
In case you do a top 5 list, rank 1 gives 5 points, rank 2 gives 4...
The power ranking itself will go up to rank 30
A few rules:
- The players you list must be at least Top 100 on aligulac (non-koreans)
- Obvious troll rankings will be ignored.
- The aligulac Top 30 will count as 1 community vote list.
- The WCS Top 30 will count as 1 community vote list.
I will do this monthly from now on.
GL HF
My ranking:
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mmh, this is really tough.
1. Snute
2. Bunny
3. Jim
4. MaNa
5. TLO
6. Showtime
7. Marinelord
8. Petraeus
9. Serral
10. Nerchio
wow, not happy with my ranking at all, but i have no idea how to evaluate. we see non-korean players not on a weekly basis and the skill is much closer imo
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1. Bunny
2. Snute
3. Lilbow
4. Mana
5. Harstem
6. IA....PRIME
7. Showtime
8. Has
9. Jim
10. TLO
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1. Bunny
2. Snute
3. Lilbow
4. Showtime
5. Mana
6. Harstem
7. Serral
8. Happy
9. IAsonu
10. Jim
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RIP snute.
Still going for liquid+french bias:
1. Bunny
2. Lilbow
3. MarineLord
4. Ret
5. Snute
(No extra, too few matches watched to judge, don't even know if Ret is in top aligulac thing)
Does Polt count as foreigner following WCS restrictions? :-)
Edit: just read the rules... So basically my ranking is useless cause there are only 5 guys in :-(
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On May 29 2015 05:21 EvilsPresley wrote:
RIP snute.
Still going for liquid+french bias:
1. Bunny
2. Lilbow
3. MarineLord
4. Ret
5. Snute
(No extra, too few matches watched to judge, don't even know if Ret is in top aligulac thing)
Does Polt count as foreigner following WCS restrictions? :-)
dont bunch up Polt with "foreigners", thats disrespectful to Polt...
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I like the idea (poor foreigners probably won't be on the overall PR), but i think it is weird to give 30 points for first place when you do a top 30 and only 10 when you do a top 10.
Let's be real, top 30 lists will be extremely vague, i am not sure i could even name 30 foreign pro players at this point.
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On May 29 2015 05:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I like the idea (poor foreigners probably won't be on the overall PR), but i think it is weird to give 30 points for first place when you do a top 30 and only 10 when you do a top 10.
Let's be real, top 30 lists will be extremely vague, i am not sure i could even name 30 foreign pro players at this point.
I agree, this point system is really poorly thought out.
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hm well i get ur point, but the players will always get points relative to each other in a top 30 ranking. you could as well cut off the last 20 players, and not a whole lot would change. It's not like a top 30 ranking has much more influence than a top 10 ranking.
Also, most people won't choose to do that anyway since it's a bit of work, and if you follow the scene closely, it's not all too vague.
I'll keep it like this for this month, if it's received negatively throughout, we will change it to Top10 - Top15 or something for next month and see how it goes
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On May 29 2015 05:28 KalWarkov wrote:
hm well i get ur point, but the players will always get points relative to each other in a top 30 ranking. you could as well cut off the last 20 players, and not a whole lot would change. It's not like a top 30 ranking has much more influence than a top 10 ranking.
Also, most people won't choose to do that anyway since it's a bit of work, and if you follow the scene closely, it's not all too vague.
I'll keep it like this for this month, if it's received negatively throughout, we will change it to Top10 - Top15 or something for next month and see how it goes
The thing is that bigger lists contribute way more to the final outcome. If i make a Top 100 list, my first place accounts for 10 Top 10 first places.
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1. Bunny
2. Snute
3. Lilbow
4. MarineLorD
5. ShoWTimE
6. Nerchio
7. Harstem
8. Happy
9. MaNa
10. HeRoMaRinE
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1. Bunny
2. Lilbow
3. Showtime
4. Marinelord
5. MaNa
6. Happy
7. Snute
8. iAonsu
9. Serral
10. Jim
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1. Stephano
2. TLO
3. ToD
4. Nathenias
5. Apollo
6. Snute
7. Sheth
8. Idra
9. Scarlett
10. Tasteless
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1. Bunny
2. Lilbow
3. Snute
4. ShoWTimE
5. Harstem
6. Happy
7. Serral
8. Marinelord
9. Kane
10. Naniwa
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We all know that the list is exactly the same than the other PR : 1. Nerchio 2. The Rest
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On May 29 2015 05:13 Paljas wrote:
mmh, this is really tough.
1. Snute
2. Bunny
3. Jim
4. MaNa
5. TLO
6. Showtime
7. Marinelord
8. Petraeus
9. Serral
10. Nerchio
wow, not happy with my ranking at all, but i have no idea how to evaluate. we see non-korean players not on a weekly basis and the skill is much closer imo
This thread reminds me on how little I know about the foreign SC 2 scene... players outside korea basically became completely irrelevant in the past 6 months.
1. Bunny
2. Showtime
3. Jim
4. MaNa
5. TLO
6. Snute
7. Marinelord
8. Petraeus
9. Serral
10. Nerchio
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1. Bunny
2. Lilbow
3. Marinelord
4. Snute
5. Harstem
6. Mana
7. Showtime
8. Petraeus
9. Ret
10. Iasonu
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1. Bunny
2. Lilbow
3. #yearofharstem
4. Mana
5. Marinelord
6. Snute
7. Petraeus
8. Showtime
9. Toodming
10. Jim...I guess
This is really had to make, since there's so many foreigners who are all just kind of meh.
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On May 29 2015 12:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
1. Bunny
2. Lilbow
3. #yearofharstem
4. Mana
5. Marinelord
6. Snute
7. Petraeus
8. Showtime
9. Toodming
10. Jim...I guess
This is really had to make, since there's so many foreigners who are all just kind of meh.
Actually, except maybe Bunny, they all look capable of weak play a tad too often. Zergs are kind of out of the picture with the actual meta, Terrans are non existent bar two, and Protosses are no match with the level of play of the like of PartinG, Stats, herO, Rain, Classic, Zest...
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1.) Has
2.) Avilo
3.) Winterstarcraft
4.) does it really matter ?
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1. Bunny
2. Snute
3. Lilbow
4. Harstem?
5. Marinelord?
6. Petraeus?
7. God this is hard
8. Major would probably be 3rd if he played
9. Ret? Advanced to the Ro16
10. 
Sorry....
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1. Nerchio
2. Bunny
3. Lilbow
4. Ret
5. Marinelord
6. Mana
7. Harstem
8. Snute
9. Iasonu
10. Petraeus
~7,2 billion: Naniwa
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1. Bunny
2. Snute
3. Lilbow
4. Marinelord
5. Scarlett
6. Naniwa
7. Showtime
8. Harstem
9. Elfi
10. Mana
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If I've learned one thing from the past five years of Starcraft its that Sen should always make the top 5 of these lists.
IMO
Snute,
Sen
Bunny
???
HuK :p
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I follow a lot the foreign sc2 scene. You know, it is the same feeling than cheering for your hometown football club. Even if you know it is not the best one, you still support it and hope for a bright future 
#fighting !
Top 5
1.  Bunny
2. MarineLorD
3.  Lilbow
4.  Snute
5. ShoWTimE
Bonus by race.
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Austria24417 Posts
I think Ret deserves some love for how he's been playing recently
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On May 29 2015 23:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I think Ret deserves some love for how he's been playing recently
He would still be behind the players I cited above, overall. Despite his hugely impressive performance.
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On May 29 2015 06:42 Serimek wrote:
We all know that the list is exactly the same than the other PR : 1. Nerchio 2. The Rest
Again somebody that knows stuff :D
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acutally will do it tomorrow, can't find the time right now
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On May 29 2015 22:47 TheDougler wrote:
If I've learned one thing from the past five years of Starcraft its that Sen should always make the top 5 of these lists.
IMO
Snute,
Sen
Bunny
???
HuK :p
I wish this were still true, but Sen is lazy and passionless. I love the guy to bits and he's amazing as well as talented, but yeah.
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United States97276 Posts
1. Bunny
2. Snute
3. Lilbow
4. MLord
5. Harstem
6. Showtime
7. Nerchio
8. Petraeus
9. iAsonu
10. Mana
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0 - 2013 Scarlett
1 - Bunny
2 - Snute
3 - Lilbow**
4 - MajOr*
5 - Serral**
6 - MarineLorD
7 - Kane*
8 - ShoWTimE
9 - FireCake
10 - Harstem
*on the occasion that they actually show up and play their best. A tragically common NA problem.
**specific mention to say that I think these are the two players to watch out for the most in 2016. They seem to exhibit amazing potential, and I feel like they're just on the cusp of transforming into absolutely dominant forces in the foreign scene. Right now they both suffer from some consistency issues, especially Serral in offline environments.
Some honorable mentions to Kelazhur and GunGFuBanDa, because I think they're going to be some salutorians to Lilbow and Serral's validictorians in 2016.
Shout outs to HuK, TLO, and MaNa for sticking around as long as they have and having as many resurgences so many years apart, and just generally having recognizable in-game styles while still performing in the top 20 for at least a sizable portion of each year. I didn't mention any Chinese players, because I find them really hard to rank, since a lot of their games seem to be predicated on cheesy bullshit. Sometimes they'll beat a Taeja with some nasty Phoenix-Colossus abortion that should never have been designed to be viable in Starcraft, other times they'll lose to a weird 2010 Marine-Tank push that I feel they were plenty skilled enough to hold. I'm pretty sure that Jim, Iasonu, and Toodming would make the list if I understood their play more and saw them play against other foreigners more often than just a few series every year. Macsed and Sen are also likely placers, at the very least if the list was extended to 20.
Additional shoutouts to Naniwa and Happy, who will probably never break into the upper echelon of foreign players again, but are both likely to make some good runs in tournaments and sneak into the 10-20 placings pretty frequently.
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wow, people really dont like Welmu 
He is much better than most of the players you guys listed
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1 - Bunny
2 - Snute
3 - Lilbow
4 - MlorD
5 - Firecake
6 - MaNa
7 - Jim
8 - ShoWTimE/Harstem
9 - ShoWTimE/Harstem
10 - TLO
Something like that. Maybe a real list would have less #LiquidBias but I don't care .
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1 - Bunny
2 - Snute
3- MlorD
4- Harstem
5- Lilbow
6- TLO
7- Firecake
8- Ret
9 - GungFuBanda
10- elfi
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1. Snute
2. Bunny
3. Moonglade
4. Happy
5. MarineLorD
6. ShowTime
7. Lilbow
8. Kelazhur
9. Major
10. TLO
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1. Bunny
2. NaNiwa
3. Snute
4. Lilbow
5. Mlord
6. Petraeus
7. Serral
8. Morrow
9. Mana
10. Showtime
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1. Polt
2. Bunny
3. Snute
4. Jim
5. Lilbow
6. Marinelord
7. Petraeus
8. TLO
9. Harstem
10. Showtime
11. Kane
12. Happy
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1. Bunny
2. Lilbow
3. Snute
4. Mlord
5. Serral
6. Showtime
7. Harstem
8. Firecake
9. Happy
10. Targa
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The top foreign list changes all the time but for today this would be my guess :
1.Lilbow
2.Bunny
3.Snute
4.MarineLord
5.TLO
6.FireCake
7.Serral
8.Welmu
9.MaNa
10.Happy
8,9,10 will quickly get ejected as new stars are rising quickly and arguably already better than them.
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On June 05 2015 23:37 royalroadweed wrote:Isn't Apocalypse Korean?
He also has WhiteRa twice and Heromarine as Protoss and his Apocalypse TLPD links to WhiteRa.
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On June 05 2015 23:37 royalroadweed wrote:Isn't Apocalypse Korean?
He is clearly Ukrainean, as is Toodming - at least when you follow the TLPD links as they lead to WhiteRa, wtf?
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On June 05 2015 23:37 royalroadweed wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Isn't Apocalypse Korean?
Oh yeah... my bad. Sorry, just trying to be more complete. Thanks guys for the corrections!!
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Polt is the best foreigner by far everyone should have him as #1 on the list
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1. Has
2. Bunny
3. Snute
4. HuK
5. Scarlett
6. Harstem
7. Naniwa
8. Sen
9. Lilbow
10. ToD
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1. Bunny
2. Lilbow
3. TLO
4. Happy
5. XiGua
6. GunGFuBanDa
7. Welmu
8. MorroW
9. Snute
10. NaNiwa
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∞. elfi
1. Bunny
2. Lilbow
3. Snute
4. Marinelord
5. Showtime
6. Petreaus
7. TLO
8. Serral
9. Welmu
10. Jim
Clearly.
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ok I'm so stupid, i completely forgot. will do in the next 20 hours, i promise! :D
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I finally found time to do some math here, sorry for the delay, had my final exams (I'm chef now yay!)
Thanks for everyone who participated!
The results are not very surprising, i think the Top 10 came off very well. In the lower rankings, there is some weirdness going on here and there, which is normal as the sample size isnt all too big. But even there, it turned out quite OK.
As i mentioned before, the top 30 aligulac and the WCS ranking did also count as two rankings; The Top 30 aligulac got points from 30 to 1, 100 WCS points meant 1 ranking point [200+ points neccessary].
Here are the results:
1 - Bunny (377)
2 - Snute (305)
3 - Lilbow (290)
4 - MarineLorD (220)
5 - ShoWTimE (167)
6 - Harstem (146)
7 - MaNa (137)
8 - Petraeus (118)
9 - Happy (113)
10 - TLO (87)
11 - Serral (83)
12 - FireCake (73)
13 - NaNiwa (72)
14 - Jim (65)
15 - Welmu (58)
16 - Kane (56)
16 - Nerchio (56)
18 - MajOr (55)
19 - iAsonu (36)
19 - Scarlett (36)
21 - GunGFuBanda (33)
21 - TargA (33)
23 - Sen (32)
24 - Has (31)
24 - Ret (31)
24 - TooDming (31)
27 - iaguz (30)
27 - HeRoMaRinE (30)
29 - elfi (29)
30 - MaSa (26)
+ Show Spoiler +31 - HuK (25) 32 - Kelazhur (24) 33 - uThermal (22) 34 - MorroW (21) 34 - State (21) 36 - PtitDrogo (19) 37 - qxc (17) 38 - Xenocider (15) 38 - Elazer (15) 40 - Verdi (14) 40 - PiG (14) 42 - Xigua (13) 43 - MacSed (8) 44 - mOOnGlaDe (8) 45 - Kas (4) 45 - Zanster (4) 47 - Bly (3) 48 - puCK (2) 49 - ToD (1)
Top 10 by race:
Protoss
1 - Lilbow (290)
2 - ShoWTimE (167)
3 - Harstem (146)
4 - MaNa (137)
5 - NaNiwa (72)
6 - Jim (65)
7 - Welmu (58)
8 - GunGFuBanda (33)
9 - Has (31)
10 - elfi (29)
Zerg
1 - Snute (305)
2 - Petraeus (118)
3 - TLO (87)
4 - Serral (83)
5 - FireCake (73)
6 - Kane (56)
7 - Nerchio (56)
8 - iAsonu (36)
8 - Scarlett (36)
10 - TargA (33)
Terran
1 - Bunny (377)
2 - MarineLorD (220)
3 - Happy (113)
4 - MajOr (55)
5 - iaguz (30)
5 - HeRoMaRinE (30)
7 - MaSa (26)
8 - Kelazhur (24)
9 - uThermal (22)
10 - MorroW (21)
Race points:
1110 points (17 players)
1042 points (20 players)
954 points (13 players)
In the next months ranking, the rankings have to be between Top 10 and Top 20, rather than between Top 5 and Top 30.
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Rankings feel nice overall, although NaNiwa is imo too high. But surprised to see such accurate (imo) results out of this.
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