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Warning for everyone in this thread: I WILL moderate your posts very harshly from now on if you can't have a civil discussion.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
April 14 2016 22:30 GMT
#401
Can't believe how on-point this post is, and it was made a year ago. It's basically a collection of all the things I've known was going wrong with SC2, but I've only ever thought of those things piece by piece, I never stopped and compiled it all into one magnificent... frankly a book, that's how thick this is. Every paragraph I find myself thinking 'that's what I've been saying'. Not enough people have read this.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1479 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 14:08:20
April 15 2016 13:54 GMT
#402
I have been thinking (and writing) about some of these problems in the past but my ideas were mostly spread out and caotic.
I like to see that someone had the time to put it all into one article that, for the most part, covers most problems with SC2.

Unfortunately, humans are animals of habits and patterns and Blizzard has been showing its for a while now.
I personally enjoyed WoL to a certain degree, but when HOTS was coming out, I decided I would stay away from it.

LotV... Well, I just dont see it working.

At least the UMS section is fun. I can still join some maps like Mineralz and spend hours in it.
In fact, while I enjoy BW more than SC2, in most cases, I like SC@ UMS maps more than BW UMS maps.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 15 2016 16:19 GMT
#403
Still as relevant as ever, sadly.
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Green_25
Profile Joined June 2013
Great Britain696 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-15 21:36:34
April 15 2016 21:35 GMT
#404
This post has some interesting concepts when it comes to RTS design philosophy, but honestly I wish the OP had put the time he used to make that post into designing his own RTS game. There are far too many criticisms (many of them valid), and not enough solutions within the sc2 community. We need new RTS games, and right now the small blizzard team working on LOTV are part of a small group doing just that.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 16 2016 06:17 GMT
#405
On April 16 2016 06:35 Green_25 wrote:
This post has some interesting concepts when it comes to RTS design philosophy, but honestly I wish the OP had put the time he used to make that post into designing his own RTS game. There are far too many criticisms (many of them valid), and not enough solutions within the sc2 community. We need new RTS games, and right now the small blizzard team working on LOTV are part of a small group doing just that.

He did, though it's "just" a SC2 mod and not a whole game. It's called Scynergie.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-16 16:46:12
April 16 2016 16:42 GMT
#406
On April 15 2016 22:54 iloveav wrote:
Unfortunately, humans are animals of habits and patterns and Blizzard has been showing its for a while now.


It is so true. Blizzard has been balancing this game in circles, removing one frustrating feature, only to add another.. "oh the community doesn't like abilities that prevent micro? Let's nerf Fungal and remove Vortex. Now let's switch gears and talk about our new abilities, Time Warp and Abduct."

The design team needs to go.
Hexe
Profile Joined August 2014
United States332 Posts
April 18 2016 02:25 GMT
#407
I think it would be interesting to go back to the simpler mechanics of WoL and keep some of the new dynamic units.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-18 03:03:56
April 18 2016 03:02 GMT
#408
At first, I was excited because I thought TheDwf had written a second part to this, but then I realized this thread got moved to the SC2 general forum. Odd choice for a year old thread, but it still rings true today and I believe it deserves a bigger discussion. It is never too late to change the direction of SC2 so we can relive the glory of 2011.

I wish Blizzard had taken what he had said to heart, this is one of the best articles written on this forum.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
April 18 2016 03:10 GMT
#409
haha not this again
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
April 18 2016 04:37 GMT
#410
On April 11 2015 11:58 Espers wrote:
A year into LotV in its current state, this thread will be very relevant...


NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-18 04:48:04
April 18 2016 04:45 GMT
#411
On April 18 2016 12:10 lichter wrote:
haha not this again

This thread is my last bastion of hope. Elsewhere I start to wonder that maybe I'm the crazy one, for being utterly disappointed with this game. I loved this game, and I still want to, I really do. Blizzard just doesn't let me. All the time I wonder what could have been, this game could have so much better, more fun to play, to watch, to theorycraft, I saw something special back in WoL, they had a gem in their hands, but they fucked it up.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
WhosQuany
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany257 Posts
April 18 2016 06:25 GMT
#412
I'm not sure what it's about either, but you have some interesting points. Good Job
Goin back to Cali
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
April 18 2016 06:26 GMT
#413
Actually I think they have been moving in the right direction with this rendition.
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benthekid
Profile Joined March 2011
United States132 Posts
April 18 2016 08:16 GMT
#414
The points about the fact that blizzard tried to create an Esport from the beginning are so true. They refused to balanced the game and made decisions based on one game from a tournament because of watch-ability. I left the game in the HOTS beta because I could tell the new units were terrible (especially from the Terran perspective) I came back for LoTV and even though I'm enjoying it, David Kim needs to be fired ASAP if the game is to be relevant even next year. Make a fun game that people want to play and let the Esport happen on it's own. Look at LoL...
"Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA (back in WoL) (Funny how it's still true)
baiesradu
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Romania150 Posts
April 18 2016 08:53 GMT
#415
For me most of what you wrote made perfect sense. I have bought the LOTV for over two months now and I have not even tried to play it, and Starcraft is the only game I own and play. After all these years where I loved SC 2 I still love Brood War more and I think this is related to some of the things you wrote about.
I even bought a Brood war battle chest and now I am replaying the campaigns.

Blizzard can do amazing things, they proved it so many times. But they also proved so many other times they do not know the recipe of their own success.

It was a good read , thank you for that !
I love Starcraft .
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
April 18 2016 09:15 GMT
#416
diversity is always the problem, i tried to post about this topic but i got downvoted so hard...
now we are here palying the same games every time and blizz tries to make it interesting by forcing us to play different via maps.

why cant they just give us all the tools to decide ourselves?
just think of tvt: in wol, there was marine tank, tank viking, mech, bio, all viable. now you can only play marine tank.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
April 18 2016 09:33 GMT
#417
Only solution I see, community needs to refrain from blizzard's version of competitive sc2 and actively support projects like Starbow.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
April 18 2016 09:44 GMT
#418
On April 18 2016 18:33 saddaromma wrote:
Only solution I see, community needs to refrain from blizzard's version of competitive sc2 and actively support projects like Starbow.

In what universe do you see this happening?
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
April 18 2016 09:44 GMT
#419
On April 18 2016 18:33 saddaromma wrote:
Only solution I see, community needs to refrain from blizzard's version of competitive sc2 and actively support projects like Starbow.


Wasn't Nathanias playing Starbow on stream yesterday?

I know that Tasteless and Artosis have already played starbow and stated that they enjoyed it;
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 18 2016 09:45 GMT
#420
On April 18 2016 18:44 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2016 18:33 saddaromma wrote:
Only solution I see, community needs to refrain from blizzard's version of competitive sc2 and actively support projects like Starbow.

In what universe do you see this happening?

I think that's what would happen if/when Blizzard stops throwing money at SC2 to sustain its pro scene
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