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On March 25 2015 04:20 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 04:18 Alucen-Will- wrote:On March 25 2015 04:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:
The maps they added are good don't get me wrong, but the problem is I really hate 4 players maps... 3 4 players map is really too much.
I'll play Echo and Coda without a doubt, probably will keep on playing Vaani, and I'm really unsure about the last one. Most likely Cactus Valley, maybe Expedition Lost, though its slow mineral collection rate and the backdoor set my teeth on edge. Surely not Inferno Retarded Pools, and not Iron Fortress.
I really wish we had Ganymede for Inferno Pools... This is a big deal which few have mentioned. Taking out that fourth spawn makes a big deal because it removes a lot of randomness with build orders, specifically against protoss players. Inferno Pools might be at least a tiny bit bearable if they removed one of the spawns 4 players maps with all spawns enabled create a luck factor in scouting that shouldn't ever exist. You scout a 10 gate 3 gates last in PvP ? You've lost until you opened with an overly safe build that gets behind against anything else. I really think all spawns enabled should not exist.
A good example recently of randomness was Flash vs Trap G1 from Katowice; It's very difficult to scout the correct proxy/all-in strategy with 4 spawns. It also pigeon wholes people into safer strategies without knowledge of your opponents position
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On March 25 2015 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 04:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:
The maps they added are good don't get me wrong, but the problem is I really hate 4 players maps... 3 4 players map is really too much.
I'll play Echo and Coda without a doubt, probably will keep on playing Vaani, and I'm really unsure about the last one. Most likely Cactus Valley, maybe Expedition Lost, though its slow mineral collection rate and the backdoor set my teeth on edge. Surely not Inferno Retarded Pools, and not Iron Fortress.
I really wish we had Ganymede for Inferno Pools... what do you mean?
You get minerals extremely slowly on Expedition Lost and Vaani compared to other maps, especially Overgrowth on which you bath in money (see PtitDrogo French PvZ guide in Strategy) but compared to Catallena/Deadwing/Foxtrot/Bel'shir etc too.
This is probably because of the main minerals layout, with two very far central patches.
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On March 25 2015 04:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:On March 25 2015 04:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:
The maps they added are good don't get me wrong, but the problem is I really hate 4 players maps... 3 4 players map is really too much.
I'll play Echo and Coda without a doubt, probably will keep on playing Vaani, and I'm really unsure about the last one. Most likely Cactus Valley, maybe Expedition Lost, though its slow mineral collection rate and the backdoor set my teeth on edge. Surely not Inferno Retarded Pools, and not Iron Fortress.
I really wish we had Ganymede for Inferno Pools... what do you mean? You get minerals extremely slowly on Expedition Lost and Vaani compared to other maps, especially Overgrowth on which you bath in money (see PtitDrogo French PvZ guide in Strategy) but compared to Catallena/Deadwing/Foxtrot/Bel'shir etc too.
You mine minerals slower on those two maps? Huh?
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On March 25 2015 04:23 Alucen-Will- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 04:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 25 2015 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:On March 25 2015 04:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:
The maps they added are good don't get me wrong, but the problem is I really hate 4 players maps... 3 4 players map is really too much.
I'll play Echo and Coda without a doubt, probably will keep on playing Vaani, and I'm really unsure about the last one. Most likely Cactus Valley, maybe Expedition Lost, though its slow mineral collection rate and the backdoor set my teeth on edge. Surely not Inferno Retarded Pools, and not Iron Fortress.
I really wish we had Ganymede for Inferno Pools... what do you mean? You get minerals extremely slowly on Expedition Lost and Vaani compared to other maps, especially Overgrowth on which you bath in money (see PtitDrogo French PvZ guide in Strategy) but compared to Catallena/Deadwing/Foxtrot/Bel'shir etc too. You mine minerals slower on those two maps? Huh?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-maps/138854-simple-questions-answers?page=153#3042
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Coda looks like any other map... same ramp+expo positions like so many others.
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On March 25 2015 04:23 Alucen-Will- wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 04:22 [PkF] Wire wrote:On March 25 2015 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:On March 25 2015 04:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:
The maps they added are good don't get me wrong, but the problem is I really hate 4 players maps... 3 4 players map is really too much.
I'll play Echo and Coda without a doubt, probably will keep on playing Vaani, and I'm really unsure about the last one. Most likely Cactus Valley, maybe Expedition Lost, though its slow mineral collection rate and the backdoor set my teeth on edge. Surely not Inferno Retarded Pools, and not Iron Fortress.
I really wish we had Ganymede for Inferno Pools... what do you mean? You get minerals extremely slowly on Expedition Lost and Vaani compared to other maps, especially Overgrowth on which you bath in money (see PtitDrogo French PvZ guide in Strategy) but compared to Catallena/Deadwing/Foxtrot/Bel'shir etc too. You mine minerals slower on those two maps? Huh?
Because of mineral patches placement, more farther away patches means more time to mine the same amount of minerals. Additionally there's some complicated shit depending on the angle of the mineral patches to the townhall.
On March 25 2015 04:33 graNite wrote:
Coda looks like any other map... same ramp+expo positions like so many others.
Wat
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What the hell they take out deadwing but keep garbage ass inferno pools get this map out already
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Like everyone else said I hope they consider using the improved version of Iron Fortress. That one is a sad grey thing.
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On March 25 2015 04:41 InExcelsis wrote:
What the hell they take out deadwing but keep garbage ass inferno pools get this map out already
I'd take inferno pools over deadwing any day, it's a garbage map but deadwing is on such an elevated level of awful it makes inferno pools look like goddamn cloud kingdom in comparison.
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Quickly guys, if we complain hard enough, they might switch Inferno Pool out for Overgrowth.
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On March 25 2015 05:31 ejozl wrote:
Quickly guys, if we complain hard enough, they might switch Inferno Pool out for Overgrowth.
Hahaha :D
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On March 25 2015 05:31 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 05:31 ejozl wrote:
Quickly guys, if we complain hard enough, they might switch Inferno Pool out for Overgrowth. Hahaha :D
lolz
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On March 25 2015 05:31 ejozl wrote:
Quickly guys, if we complain hard enough, they might switch Inferno Pool out for Overgrowth.
I would be OK to switch it for Catallena or even Deadwing... Or, better, Ganymede or any other TLMC5 map. Or Bel'shir Vestige. Or Metalopolis. Anything but Inferno Pools.
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Inferno Pools . . . why Blizzard, why? Any of the maps they removed (except Secret Springs) would have been better. Or a TLMC(insert any number here) map. Or a proleague map. Why not Merry Go Round, or King Sejong Station? And whatever happened to the campaign to get Outboxer into the ladder pool?
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On March 25 2015 05:38 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 05:31 ejozl wrote:
Quickly guys, if we complain hard enough, they might switch Inferno Pool out for Overgrowth. I would be OK to switch it for Catallena or even Deadwing... Or, better, Ganymede or any other TLMC5 map. Or Bel'shir Vestige. Or Metalopolis. Anything but Inferno Pools.
Wowowow easy there, you're going to give them ideas.
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Nice, i like it. Maybe i am gona veto Iron Fortess.
So when does Season 2 starts? right after the last Season 1 ends, so at the 6th of April?
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New maps look sick!
Inferno pools though.
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Where dat snitch at?37117 Posts
Love the removals, and love the additions. This season is going to be reallllllly good! But F U Inferno Pools...
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In fact what would make the most sense is removing Inferno Pools for Foxtrot Labs :
- Foxtrot Labs was robbed of another WCS season after illegitimate whining and deserved more credit.
- With the added maps and Inferno Pools we have 3 4 players maps which is too much, 2 4 p maps would be far more standard.
- Foxtrot has proved to be solid and balanced.
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EPT
