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On February 13 2015 02:46 Djzapz wrote:It's unfortunate because those laws are not behaving the way they were designed to... They can safely be ignored, I'd argue  I'm from Quebec and that law is annoying. I can't win canadian raffles over $100. I recently won $50 though so that's cool.
Yeah, it's really nasty. From what I remember when I lived there, there's some sort of clause that the organizer of any event that's considered "gambling" has to pay some government ministry a certain % of the winnings or profit.
At least it doesn't take long to claim you're a resident of another province, so desrow could get out of that pretty easily.
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On February 13 2015 02:53 goiflin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 02:46 Djzapz wrote:It's unfortunate because those laws are not behaving the way they were designed to... They can safely be ignored, I'd argue I'm from Quebec and that law is annoying. I can't win canadian raffles over $100. I recently won $50 though so that's cool. Yeah, it's really nasty. From what I remember when I lived there, there's some sort of clause that the organizer of any event that's considered "gambling" has to pay some government ministry a certain % of the winnings or profit. At least it doesn't take long to claim you're a resident of another province, so desrow could get out of that pretty easily.
It's weird to me that where I live would change which prizes I can get in another country. I mean if I go to the US and I win a prize yet, what right does Quebec have to fuck with me.
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I mean if I go to Amsterdam, Quebec doesn't follow me around slapping my hand saying NO YOU DON'T DO THAT, NO YOU DON'T SQUEEZE THAT. Also we want you to pay sales taxes on shit you buy overseas. NO! I'm in another place, I live by this other set of rules.
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This law is silly and shouldn't still be used. Clearly it is some sort of prohibition style gambling law meant to keep all the gamblers (mmm, money!) in North Dakota. I mean is this serious? Surely this type of BS can't still be happening in 2015, can it?
So let me get this straight, if Puck goes and competes in a Starcraft tournament in another state or even canada or something, he can't legally obtain the money because he live in North Dakota? please tell me i'm totally misunderstanding this, because i'd rather be called a dumbass because i don't understand than actually be faced with the reality that this type of thing actually exists in the most powerful country in the world.
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I don't get it.
Surely, there are professional athletes and whatnot coming out of North Dakota (certainly, it's not a state that's renowned for producing many legendary athletes, but I'm sure there are some).
In what way does participating in a tournament of this nature constitute a violation of this law, anyway? People can bet on virtually anything with an uncertain outcome (up to and including a presidential election). As long as Puck isn't directly involved in any gambling activity or match-fixing, he should have no more problem playing SC2 than a local high-school kid would have playing football, tennis, etc.
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Remember how much clamoring there was to put in region locks based on residency? And now, we have new rules in the handbook clarifying how residency affects participation. Imagine that.
Be careful what you ask for.
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On February 13 2015 03:08 dUTtrOACh wrote:
I don't get it.
Surely, there are professional athletes and whatnot coming out of North Dakota (certainly, it's not a state that's renowned for producing many legendary athletes, but I'm sure there are some).
In what way does participating in a tournament of this nature constitute a violation of this law, anyway? People can bet on virtually anything with an uncertain outcome (up to and including a presidential election). As long as Puck isn't directly involved in any gambling activity or match-fixing, he should have no more problem playing SC2 than a local high-school kid would have playing football, tennis, etc.
Don't know how things are done in Canada(not relevant in anycase), but in the United states localities decide what is legal as far as gambling is concerned. Which is why there is a problem with puck being a resident of North dakota
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On February 13 2015 03:09 mvdunecats wrote:
Remember how much clamoring there was to put in region locks based on residency? And now, we have new rules in the handbook clarifying how residency affects participation. Imagine that.
Be careful what you ask for.
This isn't to do with region locks in the least, this is to do with Blizzard's/Activitions legal team identifying local legislation that could cause issues for their company should they pay out money to Puck. Occam's razer, no prize money to players residing in ND.
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On February 13 2015 03:14 MstrJinbo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:08 dUTtrOACh wrote:
I don't get it.
Surely, there are professional athletes and whatnot coming out of North Dakota (certainly, it's not a state that's renowned for producing many legendary athletes, but I'm sure there are some).
In what way does participating in a tournament of this nature constitute a violation of this law, anyway? People can bet on virtually anything with an uncertain outcome (up to and including a presidential election). As long as Puck isn't directly involved in any gambling activity or match-fixing, he should have no more problem playing SC2 than a local high-school kid would have playing football, tennis, etc. Don't know how things are done in Canada(not relevant in anycase)
Harsh, bro 
Gambling laws are handled by the provinces.
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On February 13 2015 03:16 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:14 MstrJinbo wrote:On February 13 2015 03:08 dUTtrOACh wrote:
I don't get it.
Surely, there are professional athletes and whatnot coming out of North Dakota (certainly, it's not a state that's renowned for producing many legendary athletes, but I'm sure there are some).
In what way does participating in a tournament of this nature constitute a violation of this law, anyway? People can bet on virtually anything with an uncertain outcome (up to and including a presidential election). As long as Puck isn't directly involved in any gambling activity or match-fixing, he should have no more problem playing SC2 than a local high-school kid would have playing football, tennis, etc. Don't know how things are done in Canada(not relevant in anycase) Harsh, bro Gambling laws are handled by the provinces.
Honest question, does Canada have a place similar to Las Vegas that I've never heard of?
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On February 13 2015 03:16 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:14 MstrJinbo wrote:On February 13 2015 03:08 dUTtrOACh wrote:
I don't get it.
Surely, there are professional athletes and whatnot coming out of North Dakota (certainly, it's not a state that's renowned for producing many legendary athletes, but I'm sure there are some).
In what way does participating in a tournament of this nature constitute a violation of this law, anyway? People can bet on virtually anything with an uncertain outcome (up to and including a presidential election). As long as Puck isn't directly involved in any gambling activity or match-fixing, he should have no more problem playing SC2 than a local high-school kid would have playing football, tennis, etc. Don't know how things are done in Canada(not relevant in anycase) Harsh, bro Gambling laws are handled by the provinces.
I honestly really don't know. I've never gambled in Canada... Well not yet at least.
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On February 13 2015 03:18 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:16 Djzapz wrote:On February 13 2015 03:14 MstrJinbo wrote:On February 13 2015 03:08 dUTtrOACh wrote:
I don't get it.
Surely, there are professional athletes and whatnot coming out of North Dakota (certainly, it's not a state that's renowned for producing many legendary athletes, but I'm sure there are some).
In what way does participating in a tournament of this nature constitute a violation of this law, anyway? People can bet on virtually anything with an uncertain outcome (up to and including a presidential election). As long as Puck isn't directly involved in any gambling activity or match-fixing, he should have no more problem playing SC2 than a local high-school kid would have playing football, tennis, etc. Don't know how things are done in Canada(not relevant in anycase) Harsh, bro Gambling laws are handled by the provinces. Honest question, does Canada have a place similar to Las Vegas that I've never heard of?
Uh, I'm not aware of anything like that. I know that Niagara Falls has some gambling and stuff. But it hardly compares, really. Montreal has a fairly big casino. But nothing huge and shiny and as lively at night as Las Vegas.
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On February 13 2015 03:30 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:18 ThomasjServo wrote:On February 13 2015 03:16 Djzapz wrote:On February 13 2015 03:14 MstrJinbo wrote:On February 13 2015 03:08 dUTtrOACh wrote:
I don't get it.
Surely, there are professional athletes and whatnot coming out of North Dakota (certainly, it's not a state that's renowned for producing many legendary athletes, but I'm sure there are some).
In what way does participating in a tournament of this nature constitute a violation of this law, anyway? People can bet on virtually anything with an uncertain outcome (up to and including a presidential election). As long as Puck isn't directly involved in any gambling activity or match-fixing, he should have no more problem playing SC2 than a local high-school kid would have playing football, tennis, etc. Don't know how things are done in Canada(not relevant in anycase) Harsh, bro Gambling laws are handled by the provinces. Honest question, does Canada have a place similar to Las Vegas that I've never heard of? Uh, I'm not aware of anything like that. I know that Niagara Falls has some gambling and stuff. But it hardly compares, really. Montreal has a fairly big casino. But nothing huge and shiny and as lively at night as Las Vegas.
I was just thinking about it, because of how strong the gambling lobby is in the US, even within states themselves. Las Vegas for example Sheldon Adelson and Las Vegas money is at least in part responsible for what killed online poker in the US (for real money that is) an example from Minnesota with local gambling influences, was that a local casino run by a Sioux tribe struck a deal with the local horse track to pad racing purses (the pay out to farms that raise racing horses and what have you) to keep slot machines out of the horse track.
http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/156981555.html
It gets messy pretty quickly.
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Heh money can move mountains. And it has
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Yes this is idiotic, probably just an outdated law that needs to be reviewed. dude don't reminded me that online poker is a scam, that's why they banned it, how the hell does ppl get AA, KK, 1010, and flop is A, K, J, 10, 2, well short story I lost with KK, but how the hell flopping a set is 1/7.5, getting pocket pair is 1/221. how that is that not a scam. so I leave that online betting scam with my must unlucky hand ever hitting odds that are near idiotic
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This isn't about Blizzard's business model not being from this decade but rather that state's law being from a several decades ago, politicians trating people as if they were their property.
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On February 13 2015 03:16 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:14 MstrJinbo wrote:On February 13 2015 03:08 dUTtrOACh wrote:
I don't get it.
Surely, there are professional athletes and whatnot coming out of North Dakota (certainly, it's not a state that's renowned for producing many legendary athletes, but I'm sure there are some).
In what way does participating in a tournament of this nature constitute a violation of this law, anyway? People can bet on virtually anything with an uncertain outcome (up to and including a presidential election). As long as Puck isn't directly involved in any gambling activity or match-fixing, he should have no more problem playing SC2 than a local high-school kid would have playing football, tennis, etc. Don't know how things are done in Canada(not relevant in anycase) Harsh, bro Gambling laws are handled by the provinces.
From the OP it looks like the situation for Quebec is similar to puck's.
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On February 13 2015 03:55 Ottoman042 wrote:
Yes this is idiotic, probably just an outdated law that needs to be reviewed. dude don't reminded me that online poker is a scam, that's why they banned it, how the hell does ppl get AA, KK, 1010, and flop is A, K, J, 10, 2, well short story I lost with KK, but how the hell flopping a set is 1/7.5, getting pocket pair is 1/221. how that is that not a scam. so I leave that online betting scam with my must unlucky hand ever hitting odds that are near idiotic
Those odds are the same in live poker though.
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You really should leave the person's opinion about SC2's business model out of your quote of the relevant North Dakota law lol.
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On February 13 2015 04:06 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 03:55 Ottoman042 wrote:
Yes this is idiotic, probably just an outdated law that needs to be reviewed. dude don't reminded me that online poker is a scam, that's why they banned it, how the hell does ppl get AA, KK, 1010, and flop is A, K, J, 10, 2, well short story I lost with KK, but how the hell flopping a set is 1/7.5, getting pocket pair is 1/221. how that is that not a scam. so I leave that online betting scam with my must unlucky hand ever hitting odds that are near idiotic Those odds are the same in live poker though.
you would have to play both quite extensively to understand where he's coming from. I don't want to start an argument, just asking you to understand where he's coming from first before you do. I have actually never lost in live poker by baiting bluffs with pocket aces (maybe like once or twice and max) and i've been playing for a decade, online that is asking to be broke it happens almost every single time..
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