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On February 12 2015 22:18 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
LOL this thread derailed quickly
On topic, surely SC2 is not gambling. Looking at that law mentioned in the thread, I don't see how buying Starcraft 2 is paying a WCS entry fee. A starcraft account is just a tool used to compete not an entry fee. That's like buying your own football shoes to participate in a football match.
not really, shoes in esport = keyboard , mouse
if u have to buy game/ticket to play in a tournament, that's an entry fee.
ps : haha +1 FeyFey
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On February 12 2015 22:06 Cazimirbzh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:10 ThomasjServo wrote:On February 12 2015 21:02 Startyr wrote:
Spalding is a manufacturer and sponsor for many sports but lets say the Nba. They also produce the balls that basically every team is going to have to use in order to play. (There may be other brands?)
I may be mistaken but I am guessing the teams have to pay for the balls and that money can then go into funding the nba and contributing to its prize pool?
Is this ok because spalding is a sponsor and the nba is a separate entity running the competition or because spalding is not the only sponsor or because the balls are not purchased by the individual players or are they simply so big and rich that they can effectively ignore some laws?
There are bound to be other examples but I am just trying to understand where the lines are.
The caveat as I understand it is you are likely not having to pay spalding for the balls themselves in the NBA, whereas there was for most people who play SC2 a $60-120 entry fee to "get your foot in the door" kind of thing. Now that Blizzard, the owner and developer is sponsor and organizer, who profited from your buying the game to begin with, their legal team is likely taking a wide birth on laws like this, not that anyone in ND's legislature likely would have noticed. I woudln't want to fuck with the gambling lobby in the US myself. wcs = esl, not blizzard  so no puck, only 2 usa flag left on premier league gl suppy and astrea
ESL is a broadcast partner, Blizzard didn't just outsource everything to them.
The 2015 StarCraft II World Championship Series is a series of events organized by or in cooperation with Blizzard Entertainment. They are designed to include three major StarCraft II broadcasters, ESL, GOMeXP and SPOTV Games.
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oh wow this is really dumb.... esports = gambling??? then every other sport where u can earn money should be gamblin to...
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On February 12 2015 22:40 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:06 Cazimirbzh wrote:On February 12 2015 21:10 ThomasjServo wrote:On February 12 2015 21:02 Startyr wrote:
Spalding is a manufacturer and sponsor for many sports but lets say the Nba. They also produce the balls that basically every team is going to have to use in order to play. (There may be other brands?)
I may be mistaken but I am guessing the teams have to pay for the balls and that money can then go into funding the nba and contributing to its prize pool?
Is this ok because spalding is a sponsor and the nba is a separate entity running the competition or because spalding is not the only sponsor or because the balls are not purchased by the individual players or are they simply so big and rich that they can effectively ignore some laws?
There are bound to be other examples but I am just trying to understand where the lines are.
The caveat as I understand it is you are likely not having to pay spalding for the balls themselves in the NBA, whereas there was for most people who play SC2 a $60-120 entry fee to "get your foot in the door" kind of thing. Now that Blizzard, the owner and developer is sponsor and organizer, who profited from your buying the game to begin with, their legal team is likely taking a wide birth on laws like this, not that anyone in ND's legislature likely would have noticed. I woudln't want to fuck with the gambling lobby in the US myself. wcs = esl, not blizzard so no puck, only 2 usa flag left on premier league gl suppy and astrea ESL is a broadcast partner, Blizzard didn't just outsource everything to them. Show nested quote +The 2015 StarCraft II World Championship Series is a series of events organized by or in cooperation with Blizzard Entertainment. They are designed to include three major StarCraft II broadcasters, ESL, GOMeXP and SPOTV Games.
Indeed, you're right
Blizzard is responsible for the coordination of partner management, direction, and government of the World Championship Series from wcs-player-handbook-v1.1.0.
and for those who think free battle.net account is good enough
HAVE AUTHORIZED ACCESS TO A FULL BATTLE.NET ACCOUNT REGISTERED ON BLIZZARD’S NORTH AMERICA BATTLE.NET SERVICE (A BATTLE.NET LIGHT ACCOUNT IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR T HIS TOURNAMENT) from wcs-player-handbook-v1.1.0.
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On February 12 2015 19:33 hoby2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 15:24 ROOTiaguz wrote:
What a strange country. And by strange I mean fucking idiotic. Wow. fuck off dude. How dare we have a country that allows groups of people to make their own laws instead of abiding to national ones. Holy shit, what a fucking strange idea. I think it's called liberty? Though we don't follow it to the T, it's better than some bum ass country made from fucking prisoners. Doesn't feel good, does it? Maybe if you had spent more time learning about shit that matters instead of attempting to be good at a game you clearly suck at, you would understand that while states like North Dakota have strange ass laws, their ability to make those laws is actually pretty awesome despite your disagreement. I understand that you like to be ordered around, and told what to do, but here in America, we like to deal with the consequences of our own free wills. Not only that, but no moderation on this at all? Once again, it's okay for a popular Starcraft 2 player to troll and bait people, because the moderators know them - yet if I said that, I would be warned and/or banned. I don't mind following rules, but favoring people because their players? Come on. This is obviously not something someone should be posting, and anyone else would likely receive a warning.
Great post, made me lol.
First of all, Australia has a legal system fairly similar to the US, we have federal (commonwealth) laws and state laws. Lots of stuff (education, health, crime) is done at the state level. We have that too.
Iaguz is actually just commenting on how bizzare the law itself is.
As for the rest of your ad hom attacks - well - you said it yourself, it's obviously not something someone should be posting, and I'd expect you'll get moderated in due course.
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On February 12 2015 22:48 KOtical wrote:
oh wow this is really dumb.... esports = gambling??? then every other sport where u can earn money should be gamblin to...
There are some fair, but rather outdated points about what the law's original intent was in the reddit thread. Things like stopping offers/scams saying things like, "You could win 1 Million USD if you buy X." It is pretty obvious Blizzard is just covering its ass with regards to the statute.
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eSportZ litterally illegal, hence badass.
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I'm not really sure how one can ban "competition", but it's really unfortunate that ND is listed in those additional rules and regulations x.x
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do ND laws actually apply when the competition is outside of ND? I have no clue how the US law system works.
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On February 12 2015 22:57 ZenithM wrote:
eSportZ litterally illegal, hence badass.
ya it´s like sc2 doesnt require any skill at all.... its pure luck so its gambling xD
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On February 12 2015 22:57 ZenithM wrote:
eSportZ litterally illegal, hence badass.
Soon the players will play in cages instead of booths, the casters will be shirtless and dead drunk and there will be strippers and heavy music to gain maximum badassness.
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On February 12 2015 23:14 TBO wrote:
do ND laws actually apply when the competition is outside of ND? I have no clue how the US law system works.
Not in the strictest sense, but laws as apply to what a state defines as "gaming" (read gambling) are a bit different, it isn't at all uncommon to hear at the end of commercials in the US, "Offer not valid in States XYZ," likely for much the same reason as Blizzard is not offering prizes for ND.
I think Puck lives in Fargo/Moorhead based on his description, the town is split by a river, Moorhead is Minnesota, Fargo is North Dakota, so he very realistically could have handled this residency issue, really pretty shitty.
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I hope he picks Minneapolis! I wanna see him!
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On February 12 2015 23:36 Obeast96 wrote:
I hope he picks Minneapolis! I wanna see him!
Even money it is just Moorhead.
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On February 12 2015 16:27 digmouse wrote:
That's why you need to release rulebook of your tournament before the competition even starts, not the other way around. Tbh I don't really believe they will actually shut puck down but the whole annoyance and the pressure it puts on him shouldn't exist in the first place.
100% Correct!! Blizzard seriously dropped the ball on this and should be ashamed at how unprofessional that actually is.
You have a new tournament set up without a RULEBOOK in place for the players to look at and have a better understanding of how things will work for the new WCS...
If you just want to put a word on it...
Pathetic.
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On February 12 2015 22:18 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
LOL this thread derailed quickly
On topic, surely SC2 is not gambling. Looking at that law mentioned in the thread, I don't see how buying Starcraft 2 is paying a WCS entry fee. A starcraft account is just a tool used to compete not an entry fee. It's like buying your own football shoes to participate in a football match.
Seriously, how can this law apply to a case like this, you're not directly paying money to play in a tournament, you've bought a piece of software probably a long time ago and are using it to participate in a tournament;
Such an interpretation of this law would outlaw, among other things, any kind of console tournament sponsored by Sony or Microsoft (!), and any kind of tournament where a specific object/tool required to partecipate is produced by a monopolistic company that also happens to sponsor the event; for istance, if tomorrow Intel were to become the sole CPU manifacturer, BYOC Lan tournaments sponsored by Intel in North Dakota would automatically be illegal due to your pc's CPU....
The point could even be made for the Operating System! (noooo Microsoft, pleaseee don't sponsor us xD)
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On February 13 2015 00:15 Skirmjan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:18 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
LOL this thread derailed quickly
On topic, surely SC2 is not gambling. Looking at that law mentioned in the thread, I don't see how buying Starcraft 2 is paying a WCS entry fee. A starcraft account is just a tool used to compete not an entry fee. It's like buying your own football shoes to participate in a football match. Seriously, how can this law apply to a case like this, you're not directly paying money to play in a tournament, you've bought a piece of software probably a long time ago and are using it to participate in a tournament; Such an interpretation of this law would outlaw, among other things, any kind of console tournament sponsored by Sony or Microsoft (!), and any kind of tournament where a specific object/tool required to partecipate is produced by a monopolistic company that also happens to sponsor the event; for istance, if tomorrow Intel were to become the sole CPU manifacturer, BYOC Lan tournaments sponsored by Intel in North Dakota would automatically be illegal due to your pc's CPU.... The point could even be made for the Operating System! (noooo Microsoft, pleaseee don't sponsor us xD)
yes, you're paying to play in wcs by buying sc2(full account required)
and if Intel try to be "the sole CPU manifacturer", i'll bet on the antitrust laws.
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How has Blizzard not answered to this yet? WCS begins in 2 days, and puCK's group is in one week... Maybe if clarification could come faster than the handbook (and a faster handbook would have prevented this in the first place lol) it would be nice
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Damn. Get with the times ND.
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On February 13 2015 00:40 OtherWorld wrote:
How has Blizzard not answered to this yet? WCS begins in 2 days, and puCK's group is in one week... Maybe if clarification could come faster than the handbook (and a faster handbook would have prevented this in the first place lol) it would be nice
Legal departments suck.
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