Statement from DeMusliM : Haven't wrote a blog in quite some time, especially not one that hits so home emotionally for me, so forgive me if I go off tangent a little.
EG first entered my life back in 2010. The first Starcraft 2 event happened in Cologne where the world had its first taste of Starcraft 2 on the big stage, it was a spectacular event for many reasons ranging from Amazing, to 5 rax reaper.
But the most pivotal thing of this event was me running into a man that I was very scared of initially meeting, as his reputation was that of a raging bull. I went up to him in person, and I believe I said something along the lines of "Wow, you're not as tall as I thought you'd be!" In which a little banter was shared, and that's how I met Greg "IdrA" Fields.
I played him on the big stage and lost 1-2, in which he did something I didn't hear him do often, and he complimented me in the after game interview, or at least, that's how I took him not absolutely tearing me a new one. A couple of weeks passed, and I received message from my new found American buddy if I'd be interested in joining EG, and him in Korea. A message that changed my life from that point onwards.
Since then, it's been a roller coaster. I gave up 4 months of my Salary to assist with the buyout from my former team, and went on to joining a team with some of the best players around, including that of former team buddies such as Grubby. Since that journey started, I had bumps, and I mean bumps. -- From breaking my Arm twice within the space of 5 weeks, to ending up in Jail the Day before an MLG at border control, Falling over in relay races and opening a freshly made scar, the list goes on... And unfortunately on of rather unfortunate events.
But, besides all the tragedies, I did what few could dream about. I uprooted and left everything behind and moved to America for my gaming team, I made friends with some absolutely glorious people, I was experiencing a life I never knew could begin from just playing games at a desk in my bedroom, a beautiful life. For the most part I have a lot to thank EG for, as without them this story so far would not have been possible. After this past year, and moving back to Europe, it became evident that my relationship in playing for EG would not be able to last through the move. EG being an American based organisation, and being the sole European on the team, after a month's worth of negotiations, I believe both parties are quite content with parting ways.
While this leaving happens at an unfortunate time, Right after moving to Stockholm, Sweden and finally having a setup to play from, along with the WCS qualifiers, I'm happier than I have been in a long time with my new Starcraft situation. I wish my former team mates the best of luck in each one of their Endeavours, a lot of them are great people, and they're worth everything they've worked for. I'll be open to talks with other parties in the near future. I anticipate the future, but more than anything look forward to it. Those that have supported EG through me, I hope you continue to do so, and vice versa but cheekily I hope the guys that supported me because I was on EG still cheer me on even more so smile emoticon. Thanks to the sponsors, Thanks to my friends, and most importantly, Thanks to you, the fans, I wouldn't be here if it were not for you.
The real question is why do all these progamers change their Twitter a few days/week before the actual announcement. Oh, and since he's in Sweden now, maybe it's time to reform Alliance? d:
I've always been chering for DeMusliM and will continue to do so. Now he will have to prove his worth again, but I think he can . Good luck Ben, can't wait to see more of the Devil Terran!
Another video from back then. Nice fpov and they speak english at the end.
Wowowow that is a huge loss for EG. Though he may not be so competi tipi be abymore, he had high stream numbers and was a good PR person for them. Will be interesting to see what happens next.
Well this really brings mixed feelings, what matters is that Demuslim himself isn't too upset about it. It rather sounds like he has a very good outlook on life at the moment, I'm looking forward to seeing him climb high in the coming years =)
Sad to see the EG SC2 roster shrinking smaller and smaller. Hope DeMu finds what he's looking for SC2-wise soon, I still think he has the talent to do well.
On February 03 2015 05:55 zelevin wrote: "and me being the sole european on the team." Did Thorzain stop being European? I guess he's also gone and it's just not announced.
On February 03 2015 05:15 TerranHwaiting wrote: I wondered why they did not kick him out like 2 Years ago...
Ya know everyone likes to accuse EG of being a souless money grubbing machine, but they take care of their players even after their performance falls off. They are right up there with TL in this regard.
Good luck to him. I hope he will still be playing SC2 in the future... I miss the good old 2010/2011 days when he used to stream his ladder games with Rotti on the ESL stream...
On February 03 2015 06:03 SuperFanBoy wrote: Good riddance, use to a be a big fan of Ben back in the day but lost all my respect for him after what he did to Greg.
On February 03 2015 05:55 zelevin wrote: "and me being the sole european on the team." Did Thorzain stop being European? I guess he's also gone and it's just not announced.
If you look at EG's activities across all games in their docket lately you will see one HUGE focus on North America as a market.
EG with the sponsors and money they have could probably have gotten a very competitive EU team for CS:GO, but all signs point to an NA team. Doesn't matter who they pick up in CS:GO the team won't be seriously competitive internationally for a very long time. So the focus on the NA market makes sense. ]
The smaller market share of SC2 also means they need to focus on where they put their money. Unless they are in the NA scene (living in NA, playing in WCS NA) they likely aren't anywhere near the EG radar.
I am sure with LotV and renewed interest in SC2 that will most definitely come with it, that we will see more investment in SC2 from EG again but it will be on the American scene, or in importing a talent to the American scene if they do sign a non-american.
On February 03 2015 06:03 SuperFanBoy wrote: Good riddance, use to a be a big fan of Ben back in the day but lost all my respect for him after what he did to Greg.
EG SC2 Roster is basically Jaedong, Huk ( who manage to keep good enough results to stay here), and 3 students that cost almost nothing to maintain ( Thorzain, Suppy Xeno ) And Incontrol is more of a manager for the EG brand now
Had chance to go to Korea with IdrA would of absolutely rekt house. Instead breaks his arm twice and puts his whole career back to long. Then he still refused to go to Korea with EG TL. Dammit Ben you could of been a great in this game as a Terran you were fantastic potential. But now i fear it may be wasted if you do not find a good solid team to help support you.
I will still forever be a fan though so keep going :D
On February 03 2015 06:40 Noocta wrote: EG SC2 Roster is basically Jaedong, Huk ( who manage to keep good enough results to stay here), and 3 students that cost almost nothing to maintain ( Thorzain, Suppy Xeno ) And Incontrol is more of a manager for the EG brand now
Kinda sad.
Well Jaedong is probably worth like 3 Polts, just because of his name.
On February 03 2015 06:03 SuperFanBoy wrote: Good riddance, use to a be a big fan of Ben back in the day but lost all my respect for him after what he did to Greg.
Became better than him?
Lets not go there, because we all know Greg won a lot more titles. Ben and Greg didn't get along, however it was Ben who decided to make it public. Ben also never contacted Greg after he was removed from EG and trash talked about him on stream. Completely unprofessional and also ungrateful considering Ben would of never been part of EG if Greg didn't recommend him.
Greg is the most famous sc2 player of all time with the largest following, what has Ben done apart from being part of EG?
On February 03 2015 05:55 zelevin wrote: "and me being the sole european on the team." Did Thorzain stop being European? I guess he's also gone and it's just not announced.
Interesting catch.
Didn't thorzain say he was going back to college or some such? Might explain this.
On February 03 2015 06:40 Noocta wrote: EG SC2 Roster is basically Jaedong, Huk ( who manage to keep good enough results to stay here), and 3 students that cost almost nothing to maintain ( Thorzain, Suppy Xeno ) And Incontrol is more of a manager for the EG brand now
Kinda sad.
Well Jaedong is probably worth like 3 Polts, just because of his name.
Maybe to the 200 people who were around when BW was a thing.
On February 03 2015 06:03 SuperFanBoy wrote: Good riddance, use to a be a big fan of Ben back in the day but lost all my respect for him after what he did to Greg.
Became better than him?
Lets not go there, because we all know Greg won a lot more titles. Ben and Greg didn't get along, however it was Ben who decided to make it public. Ben also never contacted Greg after he was removed from EG and trash talked about him on stream. Completely unprofessional and also ungrateful considering Ben would of never been part of EG if Greg didn't recommend him.
Greg is the most famous sc2 player of all time with the largest following, what has Ben done apart from being part of EG?
None of this is true. Go watch the real talk episode after idra was removed and check your facts.
On February 03 2015 06:40 Noocta wrote: EG SC2 Roster is basically Jaedong, Huk ( who manage to keep good enough results to stay here), and 3 students that cost almost nothing to maintain ( Thorzain, Suppy Xeno ) And Incontrol is more of a manager for the EG brand now
Kinda sad.
Well Jaedong is probably worth like 3 Polts, just because of his name.
Maybe to the 200 people who were around when BW was a thing.
Jaedong is nothing next to Polt in SC2 terms.
Don't confuse achievements (or skill) with what a name is worth. If you put Polts face on mouse A and jaedongs face on mouse B, which one is gonna sell more? If you think it's mouse A you need to sit down, take a deep breath and come to terms with reality.
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
Swarmhosts, photon overcharge, Blizz's inability to make changes/rebalance the game, all the boringness compared to fast action paced games, like cs:go, which took the market share as a true esports.
On February 03 2015 06:40 Noocta wrote: EG SC2 Roster is basically Jaedong, Huk ( who manage to keep good enough results to stay here), and 3 students that cost almost nothing to maintain ( Thorzain, Suppy Xeno ) And Incontrol is more of a manager for the EG brand now
Kinda sad.
Well Jaedong is probably worth like 3 Polts, just because of his name.
Maybe to the 200 people who were around when BW was a thing.
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
It's boring as fuck to watch. The game needs more maps like Zel'Naga Caverns or whatever it was called, short distance and rush friendly. But since all the players bitch about every map that isn't macro friendly to the fullest viewers get bored because nothing is really happening for 10-15 minutes.
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
It's boring as fuck to watch. The game needs more maps like Zel'Naga Caverns or whatever it was called, short distance and rush friendly. But since all the players bitch about every map that isn't macro friendly to the fullest viewers get bored because nothing is really happening for 10-15 minutes.
Because 1 base vs 1 base every game was SOOOOOOOOO fun to watch... /s
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
It's boring as fuck to watch. The game needs more maps like Zel'Naga Caverns or whatever it was called, short distance and rush friendly. But since all the players bitch about every map that isn't macro friendly to the fullest viewers get bored because nothing is really happening for 10-15 minutes.
Because 1 base vs 1 base every game was SO fun to watch...
I'm not talking about every game, but ask yourself this question: Who do you think finds 10 minutes of "perfect macro" entertaining? a) people who play the game at a high level a2) people who WANT to play at a high level b) the casual viewers
Or use this analogy: How many people get excited watching the world record for continously kicking a ball without it touching the ground, in full length? a) people who do the same a2) people who WANT to do the same b) people who like football/soccer
Watching people compete only on playing fields they feel comfortable on is BORING AS FUCK.
On February 03 2015 06:40 Noocta wrote: EG SC2 Roster is basically Jaedong, Huk ( who manage to keep good enough results to stay here), and 3 students that cost almost nothing to maintain ( Thorzain, Suppy Xeno ) And Incontrol is more of a manager for the EG brand now
Kinda sad.
Well Jaedong is probably worth like 3 Polts, just because of his name.
Maybe to the 200 people who were around when BW was a thing.
Jaedong is nothing next to Polt in SC2 terms.
Oh, you're so controversial!
I'm not even trying to be controversial...
Six titles compared to two. I rest my case. You people just can't stand that anyone who has a WC3 background is streets ahead of anyone who has a BW background.
On February 03 2015 06:40 Noocta wrote: EG SC2 Roster is basically Jaedong, Huk ( who manage to keep good enough results to stay here), and 3 students that cost almost nothing to maintain ( Thorzain, Suppy Xeno ) And Incontrol is more of a manager for the EG brand now
Kinda sad.
Well Jaedong is probably worth like 3 Polts, just because of his name.
Maybe to the 200 people who were around when BW was a thing.
Jaedong is nothing next to Polt in SC2 terms.
Don't confuse achievements (or skill) with what a name is worth. If you put Polts face on mouse A and jaedongs face on mouse B, which one is gonna sell more? If you think it's mouse A you need to sit down, take a deep breath and come to terms with reality.
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
It's boring as fuck to watch. The game needs more maps like Zel'Naga Caverns or whatever it was called, short distance and rush friendly. But since all the players bitch about every map that isn't macro friendly to the fullest viewers get bored because nothing is really happening for 10-15 minutes.
Because 1 base vs 1 base every game was SO fun to watch...
I'm not talking about every game, but ask yourself this question: Who do you think finds 10 minutes of "perfect macro" entertaining? a) people who play the game at a high level a2) people who WANT to play at a high level b) the casual viewers
Or use this analogy: How many people get excited watching the world record for continously kicking a ball without it touching the ground, in full length? a) people who do the same a2) people who WANT to do the same b) people who like football/soccer
Watching people compete only on playing fields they feel comfortable on is BORING AS FUCK.
The first 10 minutes of a game are hardly macro only every single game. Sure it happens, but there's often a lot going on before it. You need to pay more attention if that's all you see. Maybe I'm biased as a hardcore viewer, but I don't see it at all that way. Could we use some more mid game action? Sure, and I think LotV is moving towards that a bit hopefully. The games we have currently are far more interesting than they were in 2010 and 2011.
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
Starcraft isn't anywhere close to dead. To all the unreasonable children on the internet if you are not the number 1 E-sport in the business then the game is dying/dead. Even if SC2 spends the rest of its life span as a niche E-sport compared to Mobas, CS-GO and fighting games, who cares. As long as there are enough sponsors and people watching that tournaments continue to run the game will not die.
People want to compare E-sports to real sports well look around the world and there are smaller sports that have leagues and continue to be successful enough to operate and provide enjoyment for the fans that do care about that niche sport. I mean there is a National Lacrosse League in the United States which is a sport at least 90 percent of the country couldn't give a damn about ( and that is probably being generous). They don't get much TV or press compared to the other sports but guess what, they continue to provide entertainment for the fans who do, there is nothing wrong with settling for a smaller role in the community.
That is not to say that SC2 doesn't have its problems, but I'm tired of people being over dramatic all the time about how the game is dead just because other games draw more people. You don't have to be on top to exist as a competitive game.
Die Frage ist doch, welches Team sollte so einen Spieler nur wegen seines Namens kaufen?
Er scheint ja nicht mehr wirklich aktiv zu sein, war schon immer recht faul und die Teams haben sicher nicht einfach die Kohle über, einen inaktiven Spieler zu bezahlen.
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
It's boring as fuck to watch. The game needs more maps like Zel'Naga Caverns or whatever it was called, short distance and rush friendly. But since all the players bitch about every map that isn't macro friendly to the fullest viewers get bored because nothing is really happening for 10-15 minutes.
Because 1 base vs 1 base every game was SO fun to watch...
I'm not talking about every game, but ask yourself this question: Who do you think finds 10 minutes of "perfect macro" entertaining? a) people who play the game at a high level a2) people who WANT to play at a high level b) the casual viewers
Or use this analogy: How many people get excited watching the world record for continously kicking a ball without it touching the ground, in full length? a) people who do the same a2) people who WANT to do the same b) people who like football/soccer
Watching people compete only on playing fields they feel comfortable on is BORING AS FUCK.
The first 10 minutes of a game are hardly macro only every single game. Sure it happens, but there's often a lot going on before it. You need to pay more attention if that's all you see. Maybe I'm biased as a hardcore viewer, but I don't see it at all that way. Could we use some more mid game action? Sure, and I think LotV is moving towards that a bit hopefully. The games we have currently are far more interesting than they were in 2010 and 2011.
Again, I never said "every single game." In terms of excitement I'll just mention that I watched the whole Boxer vs. Rain match and loved it. I actually watched a handfull of aweseome matches on Metalopolis even though everyone was bitching about that map. I just wish people would pull that stick out their arses and come up with shit instead of bitching.
I don't really see a big team picking him up. Maybe dignitas for Britishness or a smaller one. Is he known to play Heroes of the Storm? I would say he is picking up more casting gigs but I think he has picked already every one he could in the last year. Skillwise he is on the fringe between WCS and non-WCS and I don't see that changing very much which shouldn't be enough to make a living out of it.
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
It's boring as fuck to watch. The game needs more maps like Zel'Naga Caverns or whatever it was called, short distance and rush friendly. But since all the players bitch about every map that isn't macro friendly to the fullest viewers get bored because nothing is really happening for 10-15 minutes.
Try not watching PvZ and avilo games! All terran matchups are pretty fun even pre 10 minutes these days, PvP is also up there sometimes when the greats are playing their tight aggressive macro games.
As many have already said, its not surprising, but I find it to be un-surprising because for a long time now EG has been pulling away from SC2 and focusing on other games. I'm surprised Demuslim stayed as long as he did on a team where their game is on the backburner with only two other full-time players.
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
It's boring as fuck to watch. The game needs more maps like Zel'Naga Caverns or whatever it was called, short distance and rush friendly. But since all the players bitch about every map that isn't macro friendly to the fullest viewers get bored because nothing is really happening for 10-15 minutes.
Try not watching PvZ and avilo games! All terran matchups are pretty fun even pre 10 minutes these days, PvP is also up there sometimes when the greats are playing their tight aggressive macro games.
Try not watching PvZ isn't great advice. I don't ever watch Avilo because I think he's a massive cunt. Yeah I get that he probably plays a persona but he's so believable in that role that I hate him, too.
Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread any further. Imo Sc2 got really boring and I explained some reasons why I think that way. GL HF
On February 03 2015 08:10 R1CH wrote: Strange that there's no announcement from EG about this. Wonder if it was really mutual if there's not even a goodbye post.
This, or either EG doesn't care about sc2 at all >_>
On February 03 2015 06:40 SixStrings wrote: To be honest, I haven't seen any games of Demuslim in ages and I thought that EG had shut its SC2 division when Jaedong went inactive.
I think this speaks more about EG than demusilm, no other team would have kept a low performing (for years) player and especially one that kept getting ill before his matches.
I'll never forget doing my co-pro casts with you back in the WoL beta, and our after talks about Final Fantasy and other amazing games. You are an incredible person, and I'm very glad to have met you in person at Blizzcon 2013. Best of luck to you in the future!
On February 03 2015 06:40 SixStrings wrote: To be honest, I haven't seen any games of Demuslim in ages and I thought that EG had shut its SC2 division when Jaedong went inactive.
Wait. Jaedong went inactive?
he took a vacation. like everyone else during the christmas and new years holidays. he will be back.
On February 03 2015 06:40 SixStrings wrote: To be honest, I haven't seen any games of Demuslim in ages and I thought that EG had shut its SC2 division when Jaedong went inactive.
On February 03 2015 05:15 TerranHwaiting wrote: I wondered why they did not kick him out like 2 Years ago...
Ya know everyone likes to accuse EG of being a souless money grubbing Machine, but they take care of their players even after their performance falls off. They are right up there with TL in this regard.
On February 03 2015 05:46 Rocket-Bear wrote: So from the original Idra, Demuslim, Incontrol, Machine, Strifecro and Axslav there is only Incontrol left.
Wow how things have changed.
Yeah but Machine work for the GG agency and IdrA is on the Heroes team along with Lzgamer ! You forgot Jake !!
On February 03 2015 05:26 Musicus wrote: I've always been chering for DeMusliM and will continue to do so. Now he will have to prove his worth again, but I think he can . Good luck Ben, can't wait to see more of the Devil Terran!
Another video from back then. Nice fpov and they speak english at the end.
On February 03 2015 05:26 Musicus wrote: I've always been chering for DeMusliM and will continue to do so. Now he will have to prove his worth again, but I think he can . Good luck Ben, can't wait to see more of the Devil Terran!
Another video from back then. Nice fpov and they speak english at the end.
... I kid, I kid. Love ya Ben, cool meeting you at PAX a while back. Good luck man, I'll still watch your matches. Hope you use this milestone as significant motivation.
Never thought much of EG but you have always been one hell of a player, i remember playing vs you on ladder back in summer 2011 and even then you were a totally beastly terran. If you can't find what you're looking for in sc2 in the future, broodwar would be happy to have you, don't forget that!
space open of me then Ben! Im just that random guy who watches ur stream every single time its on! Good Luck man, im glad to hear ur happy and with sc2, hope we see you in the coming months with a new resurgence
I always liked Demuslim, he seem such a nice lad and so on. I also think he has really great potential, he got the talent, but somehow he didn't have the luck/insert other reasons to become one of our foreign hopes. Hope he finds a new team really soon and plays in WCS, withotu that many koreans I expect him to be top foreigner again. I`ll cheer for you Demu!
It seems to me that EG have been neglecting their SC2 line up for quite some time. Looks like they are spending their money on other games. Merely an observation.
Given that Demuslim is kinda unable to perform at the competitive stage (I think it might be a mental/attitude problem mostly), my guess is that the wisest choice for him would be to play a lot of small cups first and fight his way up again before joining a team. He is still very marketable but apart from TL there is no foreign team that is capable of doing good social media stuff. So he really needs to regain his competitive edge first.
It doesn't help that EG's SC2 roster only has a good player in JD and and possibly Huk, with the others being semi-retired or mostly just casting. I hope they get something going again soon.
omg, what a blow to EG. With demuslim gone, I can not see them competing in any teamleague anymore... I mean... he was their ace, their talent, their coach, he was everything!
On February 03 2015 20:59 mahrgell wrote: omg, what a blow to EG. With demuslim gone, I can not see them competing in any teamleague anymore... I mean... he was their ace, their talent, their coach, he was everything!
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
It's boring as fuck to watch. The game needs more maps like Zel'Naga Caverns or whatever it was called, short distance and rush friendly. But since all the players bitch about every map that isn't macro friendly to the fullest viewers get bored because nothing is really happening for 10-15 minutes.
This isn't about viewers.
SC2 simply isn't that much fun to play.
1. Fights last only a few seconds. Games last 15, 20, 25, 30 minutes. Single little mistakes/accidents can make you lose a game at any point of time. 2. Barely any chance to come back what makes the game boring. 3. Stale metagames that e.g. end up in always the same bullshitty bio vs muta/bling. Almost no creativity allowed/possible. 4. Game is too difficult on the lower skill levels to attrackts new players and too easy on the higher skill levels so that the best guys barely can make a difference between each others and alot is then decided by luck or lucky timings (there are no uber-talents that are dominating the scene for a longer period of time, alot of unexpected results (just look at blizzcons)). 5. Too many and heavy rock/scissors/paper mechanics like immortals dominate every armored unit and get dominated easily by 5 zerglings or 3 marines. Bio vs banelings/splash compared to bio vs everything else and so on.
On February 03 2015 06:53 Rasputincz wrote: What is the main reason that SC2 scene is so dead? I am not trying to troll or anything. I mean that question seriously.
It's boring as fuck to watch. The game needs more maps like Zel'Naga Caverns or whatever it was called, short distance and rush friendly. But since all the players bitch about every map that isn't macro friendly to the fullest viewers get bored because nothing is really happening for 10-15 minutes.
This isn't about viewers.
SC2 simply isn't that much fun to play.
1. Fights last only a few seconds. Games last 15, 20, 25, 30 minutes. Single little mistakes/accidents can make you lose a game at any point of time. 2. Barely any chance to come back what makes the game boring. 3. Stale metagames that e.g. end up in always the same bullshitty bio vs muta/bling. Almost no creativity allowed/possible. 4. Game is too difficult on the lower skill levels to attrackts new players and too easy on the higher skill levels so that the best guys barely can make a difference. 5. Too many and heavy rock/scissors/paper mechanics like immortals dominate every armored unit and get dominated easily by 5 zerglings. Bio vs banelings/splash compared to bio vs everything else and so on.
true on everything! AND they do a huge mistake with upgrades scales. 3-3 vs 3-3 die quicker than 1-1 vs 1-1 or 0-0 vs 0-0.
On February 03 2015 06:40 Noocta wrote: EG SC2 Roster is basically Jaedong, Huk ( who manage to keep good enough results to stay here), and 3 students that cost almost nothing to maintain ( Thorzain, Suppy Xeno ) And Incontrol is more of a manager for the EG brand now
Kinda sad.
Well Jaedong is probably worth like 3 Polts, just because of his name.
Maybe to the 200 people who were around when BW was a thing.
Jaedong is nothing next to Polt in SC2 terms.
Oh, you're so controversial!
I'm not even trying to be controversial...
Six titles compared to two. I rest my case. You people just can't stand that anyone who has a WC3 background is streets ahead of anyone who has a BW background.
On February 03 2015 06:40 Noocta wrote: EG SC2 Roster is basically Jaedong, Huk ( who manage to keep good enough results to stay here), and 3 students that cost almost nothing to maintain ( Thorzain, Suppy Xeno ) And Incontrol is more of a manager for the EG brand now
Kinda sad.
Well Jaedong is probably worth like 3 Polts, just because of his name.
Maybe to the 200 people who were around when BW was a thing.
Jaedong is nothing next to Polt in SC2 terms.
Oh, you're so controversial!
I'm not even trying to be controversial...
Six titles compared to two. I rest my case. You people just can't stand that anyone who has a WC3 background is streets ahead of anyone who has a BW background.
Big fan of DeMusliM and big hater of EG, so don't know what to make of this. If DeMusliM finds a new team and continues to play while EG looses a potential great foreigner and personality, then i guess everybody wins
On February 03 2015 21:53 Sapphire.lux wrote: Big fan of DeMusliM and big hater of EG, so don't know what to make of this. If DeMusliM finds a new team and continues to play while EG looses a potential great foreigner and personality, then i guess everybody wins
On February 03 2015 21:53 Sapphire.lux wrote: Big fan of DeMusliM and big hater of EG, so don't know what to make of this. If DeMusliM finds a new team and continues to play while EG looses a potential great foreigner and personality, then i guess everybody wins
On February 03 2015 21:53 Sapphire.lux wrote: Big fan of DeMusliM and big hater of EG, so don't know what to make of this. If DeMusliM finds a new team and continues to play while EG looses a potential great foreigner and personality, then i guess everybody wins
On February 03 2015 21:53 Sapphire.lux wrote: Big fan of DeMusliM and big hater of EG, so don't know what to make of this. If DeMusliM finds a new team and continues to play while EG looses a potential great foreigner and personality, then i guess everybody wins
doesnt that mean you win rather?
Same thing though, surely.
Wouldn't it mean that EG loses?
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
On February 03 2015 22:04 pekkasteele wrote: Why have DeM moved to Stockholm? Just for the better internet like when GD had their studio here or something else?
Maybe alliance team house because he has to play WCS EU
I would say goodbye, its an end of an era. But its really not, who didnt see this coming? Ever since the idra incident it hasnt been the same EG, once HuK leaves the old guard will be but a memory.
He's bad player, any good results past few years. Have some personal problems with playing for high stakes and some problem with travelling, moving around. Only good reason to take him is social media marketing. But there is a problem, sc2 now isnt that popular anymore.
Im kinda dissapointed that EG took so long to take decision. Demu lost like 3 years for nothing. I wish him the best, but c'mon. Take your life one step higher.
EG said few months after sc2 HotS release that they dont focus on sc2 lineup until LotV is out. I hope they come "back" like they were in WoL.
I doubt it. Except for Jaedong, they have literally no players that are even slightly competitive. Then again, EG is a business first and foremost. They will go wherever the money is. At this point I don't really know why they still have so many SC2 players on their payroll.
I hope he finds a new team. It would be a real shame is he retired. A real charismatic guy and one of the last to pull good streaming numbers. He's always been a ladder hero. He used to dominate the NA ladder and even now he's top 30 on EU.
EG said few months after sc2 HotS release that they dont focus on sc2 lineup until LotV is out. I hope they come "back" like they were in WoL.
I doubt it. Except for Jaedong, they have literally no players that are even slightly competitive. Then again, EG is a business first and foremost. They will go wherever the money is. At this point I don't really know why they still have so many SC2 players on their payroll.
Tbh the only ones that are actually on the payroll are Jaedong and HuK.
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Naniwa wont sign with them. He said on his stream he would rather say what he wants and make no money then deal with organizations that put a filter on him even if it means losing money...
not saying thats the best way to go about business but naniwa will not be signing with EG and if he does...... Armmeggedon will begin
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Generally in sc2, most people (like IdrA) love to compete against others in tournaments. sc2 itself... a very irrelevant thing.
On February 04 2015 09:25 UberNuB wrote: Maybe I missed it, but it seems weird Demuslim says he is the only European member, when they also have Thorzain? Will Thorzain be gone soon too?
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Generally in sc2, most people (like IdrA) love to compete against others in tournaments. sc2 itself... a very irrelevant thing.
Then why are they playing sc2 when they can make a lot more money/fame/etc in more famous games such as LoL or CS:GO?
Saw this coming. He isn't near the powerhouse he was when he joined the team, and his attitude is waaaay worse. Sad to sy because i still love his play, and used to love his attitude.
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Generally in sc2, most people (like IdrA) love to compete against others in tournaments. sc2 itself... a very irrelevant thing.
Then why are they playing sc2 when they can make a lot more money/fame/etc in more famous games such as LoL or CS:GO?
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Generally in sc2, most people (like IdrA) love to compete against others in tournaments. sc2 itself... a very irrelevant thing.
Then why are they playing sc2 when they can make a lot more money/fame/etc in more famous games such as LoL or CS:GO?
Cuz they love RTS, and SC2 is their only choice.
Gl Demuslim, your stream were fun !
Which proves that the game a progamer plays is not irrelevant to him.
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Generally in sc2, most people (like IdrA) love to compete against others in tournaments. sc2 itself... a very irrelevant thing.
Then why are they playing sc2 when they can make a lot more money/fame/etc in more famous games such as LoL or CS:GO?
Cuz they love RTS, and SC2 is their only choice.
Gl Demuslim, your stream were fun !
Well they have the likes of Grey Goo now. Lets see what they choose LOL
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Generally in sc2, most people (like IdrA) love to compete against others in tournaments. sc2 itself... a very irrelevant thing.
Not really... The means to the competition are a very important thing, otherwise they could pick any random game just for the competitive aspect.
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Generally in sc2, most people (like IdrA) love to compete against others in tournaments. sc2 itself... a very irrelevant thing.
Not really... The means to the competition are a very important thing, otherwise they could pick any random game just for the competitive aspect.
Exactly this is. Especially if you had fun with a game. We (still?) dont have other RTS games.
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Generally in sc2, most people (like IdrA) love to compete against others in tournaments. sc2 itself... a very irrelevant thing.
Not really... The means to the competition are a very important thing, otherwise they could pick any random game just for the competitive aspect.
Aren't the foreign (ex-)pros doing exactly that? They're migrating en-masse to Heroes of the Storm because they have become irrelevant in SC2.
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Generally in sc2, most people (like IdrA) love to compete against others in tournaments. sc2 itself... a very irrelevant thing.
Not really... The means to the competition are a very important thing, otherwise they could pick any random game just for the competitive aspect.
If given a choice, there is no doubt that many would chose BW or WC3. SC2 was the only remaining viable option to remain relatively financially viable, and here again, Idra is to be congratulated for being one of the very few that was 100% honest. Not that it's a bad game or anything, but many, many pros view it as inferior to those 2.
On February 03 2015 05:25 Legio wrote: Now EG can pick up Naniwa!
THIS!!!!!!
and IDRA comes back to SC2
idra hates sc2, he should play a game he likes.
Not to start a shit-storm or anything, but if only the people that really liked SC2 were playing...we wouldn't have a lot of SC2 pro players imo. Idra was just very open about it.
Generally in sc2, most people (like IdrA) love to compete against others in tournaments. sc2 itself... a very irrelevant thing.
Not really... The means to the competition are a very important thing, otherwise they could pick any random game just for the competitive aspect.
Aren't the foreign (ex-)pros doing exactly that? They're migrating en-masse to Heroes of the Storm because they have become irrelevant in SC2.
No. IMo they migrate to moba games cause SC2 isn't creating any fun for them anymore due to the punishing gameplay and frustrating stale metas.
On February 04 2015 21:13 MagnuMizer wrote: SC2 seems even more daed to me now that DeMu is gone from EG... sad
I actually feel that the constantly changing landscape in the Starcraft e-sport community is a sign that the scene and the game is still alive and well. It's when teams close their doors and legends of the game start retiring from the game, that makes me a sad panda.
On February 04 2015 21:13 MagnuMizer wrote: SC2 seems even more daed to me now that DeMu is gone from EG... sad
I actually feel that the constantly changing landscape in the Starcraft e-sport community is a sign that the scene and the game is still alive and well. It's when teams close their doors and legends of the game start retiring from the game, that makes me a sad panda.
Very sad that we have to talk about staying "alive" instead of growing.
On February 04 2015 21:13 MagnuMizer wrote: SC2 seems even more daed to me now that DeMu is gone from EG... sad
I actually feel that the constantly changing landscape in the Starcraft e-sport community is a sign that the scene and the game is still alive and well. It's when teams close their doors and legends of the game start retiring from the game, that makes me a sad panda.
Very sad that we have to talk about staying "alive" instead of growing.
At least until LotV, SC2 isn't growing at all. It is about staying alive until then. After that... we'll see.
On February 05 2015 00:21 mau5mat wrote: Jaedong save yourself and please go Kespa
Pretty sure he renewed his contract recently with EG and is moving to their team house in cali. Also since he'll be on the west coast with what I'd imagine to be really good internet he'll be able to play/practice on the Korean server still. Also, he won't have to worry about traveling so much to events when he'll be in the US for WCS NA and any other tournaments in NA.
He did say though in his interview that before he retires he'll rejoin a Kespa team and participate in Korean tournaments.
On February 05 2015 01:08 Jornada wrote: All foreigners will go LoL, Heroes, or Dota eventually
At least in Dota, there hasn't been a single successful SC2 -> Dota player switch yet. Select and Babyknight played a bit but both weren't very good.
Don't know about LoL but most of the sc2 players who tried ended up going back. Like MarineKing, sC etc.
I think most foreigners will switch to Heroes of the storm because everyone starts on even ground there.
Agree, I also think Dota and LoL are harder than sc2 in terms of what is required to make it onto a professional team. Sc2 you can learn it and practice it become a pro quite fast in comparison to the moba games where you have to learn the mechanics, team strategies, and skill cooldowns of every single champion etc... Going from a single player game to a team game is a huge leap, and unfortunately every single sc2 player who has tried to make the transition has failed.
It's very hard to improve in moba's when you hit a wall, because you can watch replays and analyze your gameplay and not notice your mistakes and end up blaming the team, whereas when you watch your sc2 match you can instantly see the faults and improve on them.
I can't see any pro players switching to LoL or DotA as they will feel they are too behind to start learning it now.. There is already a bunch of sc2 players on heroes, IdrA being the main example.
Did he get kicked out of the team because he wanted to play competitive SC2, while EG expected him to transit into casting / tournament hosting / stream raging like the rest of the team?
EPT
Chris HuK Loranger
Geoff INcontroL Robinson 
Lee Jaedong Jae Dong
Marcus ThorZaIN Eklöf 
. Good luck Ben, can't wait to see more of the Devil Terran!
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