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2014 in Review - TeamLiquid Awards

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January 31st, 2015 16:12 GMT

Welcome to the annual TeamLiquid Awards ceremony for 2014. While this year's awards were less controversial than last year's, some categories were argued to the very last second leaving several writers dead in the cage match none of the writers particularly happy with the result. With that said, read, enjoy and rant, and remember that TL.net is not responsible for any rage or rage related injuries caused by reading the article.



Breakout
Player

Zest

Runner-up: Solar

The breakout player of the year award went to the player who made the largest leap all year. This year it was obvious as there were only two players who could have won this: (P)Zest or (Z)Solar. It is strange to think about a scene where Zest and Solar aren't huge powerhouses of their respective races, but prior to 2014 both had only gained nominal success in Proleague and individual leagues (Solar had two appearances in Code A in 2013 and Zest had only one 9-12th in IEM NY).

And while Solar's year has been phenomenal by almost any standard (1 IEM, 1 MSI, multiple Ro8s, Ace for his team), Zest was the player who blew the doors open with a shotgun. In a ritual sacrifice not seen since the days of the Aztecs, Zest murdered the entire SKT line in Proleague to bless his Korean conquest. He took that momentum and rode it all the way to the end of the year as he destroyed all rivals to claim 3 Korean titles and multiple top 4 finishes. Before Zest, many argued that the best protoss players were herO, Rain, PartinG, Dear, or sOs. After Zest, there remained only one.




Best
Map

Crux Frost

Runner-up: None :[

Frost you ask? The map that was made in 2013 and was eventually phased out by the end of WCS Season 2? That map? Yes. The third was the right amount of hard to get to; there were multiple paths of attack; different spawning positions changed the way you play; but most of all, unlike the majority of the 2014 map pool, it wasn't blatantly in favor of one race or strat.

Fuck Yeonsu, Fuck Alterzim, Fuck Daedalus, Fuck Heavy Rain, Fuck Polar Night, Fuck Catallena, Fuck Nimbus, Fuck Waystation, Fuck Deadwing, Fuck Foxtrot, Fuck Merry Go Round.

Can we not have a map pool that blatantly favors one race over the others? God damn.




Best
Ceremony

PartinG's Ruler

Runners-up: Flash beats Action in a dinosaur suit with a ruler, Stork shoots Flash in a Darth Vader suit with a ruler, Flash kicks a football out of the stadium during PL Finals

While nowhere as good as Keen's heyday of ceremonies, 2014 was a fairly good year for them. After all, Proleague is a natural habitat for ceremonies and the birthplace of FireBatHero. So with a new studio, new look and new players, it came as no surprise to see that Proleague was the main arena for ceremonies this year. Yet one player deserves recognition above all others as the genesis of Proleague Ceremonies. (P)PartinG came. PartinG saw. And PartinG shot God in the chest.



This one innocuous ceremony not only cemented PartinG as a fan favorite of the league, but also created an entire storyline all by itself. It created the PartinG/Flash rivalry where Flash got revenge on Parting by figuratively and literally kicking him out of the PL Finals, and PartinG ended it by defeating him in turn at HSC. Inspired by PartinG, Stork also decided to shoot down Flash, but with the added bonus of a stormtrooper outfit. This caused Flash and Action to concoct a ceremony of Flash beating down Action in a dinosaur suit.

For being the inspiration of all the great ceremonies of 2014, PartinG wins the ceremony of the year award. And though he is banned? barred from Proleague 2015 until his situation is resolved, we hope his spirit will live on.




Strategy of the Year

Blink "All-in"

Runner-up: Gangnam Terran

Retroactively known as the blink era, the re-discovered Blink "All-In" found new strength in HotS. Protoss players were given a natural air unit in the MSC, as well as great blink maps in Yeonsu, Alterzim, Daedulus, Heavy Rain, and Polar Night at the beginning of the year. This resulted in only 3 terrans left in Code S, and only one of them was able to beat protoss at all.

The truly amazing thing about it was that the term "All-In" was a complete misnomer. It allowed protoss to put on pressure and then choose an appropriate follow-up. Terran somehow defended the initial poke with no damage? Transition seamlessly into either HT or storm. Terran took some damage? Snow-ball it into a large advantage while expanding or teching. Terran took moderate damage? You can kill him. Terran died? Good for you. Completely fail and lose all your units? Make more stalkers and FF or time warp the ramp and pull out a win anyway.

In many ways it was similar to the BL/Infestor era as terran knew what was coming, but could not get ahead or stop it anyway. Terrans didn't even have the option of gambling with an all-in before it became a threat. Additionally it pigeonholed terran into mass bio strategies as everything else straight died to the blink stalkers. The runner-up this year goes to Bbyong's Gangnam Terran as it abused the map features of Habitation Station to hit protoss before the stalkers could come to kill you.

It all ended as usual with a large Team Liquid editorial (ZParcraft2) that was subsequently followed by Blizzard rolling in nerfs on both the MSC and blink, massive map changes to favor terran and massive buffs to widow mines against shields.




Biggest
News Story

Legacy of the Void

Runner-up: None

That the game was announced wasn't particularly surprising. We all knew LotV had to be announced at some point. What was surprising was the amount and breadth of changes being considered to completely change the dynamics of the game. New units whose core concepts seemed to have the potential to change entire matchups like the herc, cyclone, lurker, ravager and disruptor. Changes to existing units like tanks, swarmhosts and warp-in mechanics. A promise to change the overall economics of the game that implied necessary changes to the way maps were structured.

While HotS is a great game and has produced some of the best matches of all-time, many feel that it is still at its essence just a newer iteration of WoL, a WoL 2.0. LotV promises to be a completely different experience that will change the very fundamentals of the game.




Biggest
Rivalry

soO vs Finals

Runner-up: Zest vs SKT

2014 had its fair share of rivalries. (P)PartinG and (T)Flash grabbed attention from each other across four Proleague appearances and several notable ceremonies. (P)Zest rose to power by repetitively destroying the combined power of SKT, and fell off shortly after their most accomplished player denied him a second GSL. (T)Bomber and (T)Polt found themselves engaging in almost constant battle across just about every premier tournament America had to offer, and their games were often a major highlight of whatever competition they happened to be in.

However, it cannot be ignored that all of these conflicts were overshadowed by a single, prominent series of events. (Z)soO found himself tangled in a ferocious yet seemingly hopeless battle against himself, one that was often displayed on the grandest of stages. Even though soO made his rather surprising finals run in the GSL during Season 3 of 2013, he was still omitted from everyone's lists of contenders in 2014. Yet his persistence in reaching and failing each and every finals he contested became one of the year's most enduring tales. No one expected to ever see the level of consistency that soO showed, yet he was frequently overshadowed by players that successfully touched victory, however briefly. By the time soO earned widespread recognition at his third GSL finals, it had become less of a question of whether he could vanquish his opponent and more of one about whether he could surpass his own limitations.

Even after his third consecutive loss, soO picked up the pieces and made another fantastic run by defeating a slew of seasoned champions. And yet, he still hadn’t conquered his inner demons, expressing doubt about his upcoming finals before his opponent was even determined. soO didn’t consider his opponent to be the most important part of the finals; it appeared as if he too realized that he was the only one standing in the way of his own triumph. When he cleanly took the first two games against INnoVation, victory looked likely, but soO faltered. All it took was an unusual strategy from INnoVation, followed by two 2rax builds, for soO to crumble, as he lost his lead and eventually the fourth finals in a row. This left him completely crushed and helped bring an illustrious yet tragic year to a close.

By the time the next GSL Code S Finals is played on March 14, we will have gone an unfathomable 651 days between Code S finals not involving soO.




Most
Entertaining Player

Bomber

Runners-up: Bbyong, Has

This award goes to the player who most entertained the fans this year both inside and out of the game. While there is no set formula, in the end it came down to three players: (T)Bomber, (T)Bbyong and (P)Has. Bbyong was not only the engineer of the Gangnam style, but also played in multiple best games of the year while maintaining a unique style of play that created dynamic and often chaotic games. Has made the entire world laugh with his ridiculous builds, cheese and massive upsets.

But in 2014, the player who entertained us the most was Bomber. Inside the game he gave us some of the most memorable games all year, whether it was his finals against PigBaby, his game against TooDming where he defended against a 6 base muta ling/bane swarm, or his series against Polt where he threw away 12 medivacs of supply twice in two different series. In victory or defeat no player could make us go "WHAT THE HELL!?" quite as many times as Bomber did.

Additionally, his story was one of the best to follow all year. Bomber has defied all laws. In a game where most players hit their primes in their late teens to early 20s, Bomber has finally hit his at the age of 26, nearly 4 years after his first ever broadcast game. In a scene where it has been proven that being part of a KeSPA training regime produces the absolute player, Bomber has proven that you can survive outside of it and still be considered a championship contender. In a community where we codified Bomber's Law, Bomber has proven that no law is immutable. That the pains and disappointments that we get from losses and failures make triumph all the more meaningful. That the real truth of Bomber's Law is not that Bomber will always disappoint, but that despite those failures, despite those losses, despite those disappointments, despite everything, Bomber has gotten back up to challenge his fate again and again and again.

The Law isn't just about Bomber. It is about all players. From Zest to soO to MarineKing to Nestea to Stork. It is about the will to never give up, about the drive to never give in. It is about turning that loss, that failure and changing it into victory and triumph. It is about getting back up and never giving up. And it is for this tenacity that Bomber is awarded the Most Entertaining Player of 2014.




Worst
Drama

NaNiwa

Runners-up: Too many to mention

At the end of 2013, (P)NaNiwa may have been a villain, but he was our villain. He refused handshakes, called Polt a bitch, endlessly needled others over twitter; but we forgave him for his truancy as the only foreigner to almost win a Premier tournament. This all came to an end as he forfeited his career in the most dramatic and Naniwa-esque way possible by quitting a Bo5 after just 1 game, blaming the soundproofing and then walking off stage while the entire crowd boo-ed him.

After that retirement, many said good riddance as Naniwa had shown little to no respect to his team, his fellow pros, or the fans. But at the mere hint of a possible return, many hopped aboard the Naniwa hype train once more, with everything either forgiven or forgotten, and once more proving that Hyvaa Dent was right. "Live long enough as a villain and eventually you become the hero."




Best
Foreign Terran

Bunny

Runners-up: Happy, Dayshi

With the retirement of (T)LucifroN from competitive SC2, a void was formed that hungered to be filled. No longer was there a foreign terran that could reliably contend for podium places. The biggest contenders were (T)Dayshi, (T)Happy and (T)Bunny. Happy was reliable, but he was unable to ascend to the next level; Dayshi got progressively better and even took series off Koreans.

However, Bunny distinguished himself from his peers in several ways. To qualify for 2014 WCS EU S2, he defeated (Z)Sacsri, the DH Valencia champion. He made several deep runs in tournaments, including a Ro8 appearance in 2014 WCS EU Season 2, where he narrowly lost to (P)San in a close series. Most importantly, he won Gfinity G3, defeating (Z)HyuN and becoming the first foreigner to win a tournament with WCS points at stake ever since the system's creation in 2013. He was also the first foreign terran to win since (T)ThorZaIN took DH Summer against (T)Polt.

While both Happy and Dayshi wowed us in 2014 with some great games and series, there was only one terran that truly distinguished himself in 2014.




Best
Korean Terran

Taeja

Runners-up: INnoVation, Bomber

Despite a very rocky start, 2014 was a good year for terran. (T)INnoVation fulfilled his destiny and won a GSL, (T)Bomber got even more money from conquering Red Bull tournaments, (T)ForGG finally won his first ever premier tournament and (T)Polt fought imbalance and nearly won.

But one player in particular distinguished himself from the rest by shattering several records with his incredible consistency. As the frosty months of winter slowly turned to spring and then summer, (T)TaeJa started his annual rampage. He blazed through HSC IX, he won DH Summer with a 17-0 record and he took IEM Shenzhen. When he didn't win, he racked up an impressive 3 Ro4s and a 3rd place. With these 3 titles, Taeja became the first ever player to win 11 premier SC2 tournaments, surpassing (T)Mvp's 9. While many criticize Taeja for not having conquered a WCS or a GSL, it would be foolish and shortsighted to disregard his incredible accomplishments this year.

To truly do Taeja justice you also have to look at how he won and who he beat. Firstly, Taeja was one of the few terrans to win during the blink era, and he didn't win one but 3 tournaments. Secondly he defeated top KeSPA players consistently; at IEM he made (P)Zest look silly and fought a great series vs (Z)Solar. At Toronto he again defeated (P)Zest and executed one of the most amazing comebacks yet. And at Blizzcon, Taeja dismantled both (Z)soO and (T)INnoVation.

Despite not winning a GSL, WCS or Blizzcon, Taeja's consistency was leaps and bounds ahead of his terran peers. His ability to win in the harshest of times and against world class opponents has earned him the title of best Korean terran of 2014.




Best
Foreign Zerg

Snute

Runner-up: Sen

2014 wasn't nearly as close as 2013 for best foreigner, but it gave us one important question. How important is winning, really? (Z)Sen, despite having a mostly average year, was able to string together an unlikely run and became the only foreigner to win a Premier in the last 2 years that prevented a 2014 Korean All-Kill. He was also the first foreign player of the year to win a Major tournament with Koreans attending.

But in the end, the answer was obvious. Everyone voted for (Z)Snute because at some point Snute's consistent ability to play against—and either win or go even with—the best players in the world in almost every tournament he attended outweighed Sen's single win.




Best
Korean Zerg

soO

Runner-up: Not even close

GSL Code S is supposed to be the most difficult and gruesome tournament in the world. It's an unforgiving beast that has seen champions and runners up fall within single seasons, and even the best players find it difficult to find any consistency. In fact, the NesTea award was created for players that could survive for 10 straight seasons. They didn't have to go far, they only had to qualify, such was the severity of the task.

And yet, out of nowhere, (Z)soO rose above every contestant, above every contender, above every champion to become a 4-time GSL runner up. Never before had we seen someone reach back-to-back-to-back finals, in a year when no other zerg did particularly well in the world's hardest tournament. He left little doubt of his quality and his determination, and he transcended the title of Kong to become a tragic hero. Every time he crawled his way back to the finals, his legion of supporters (or sympathizers) grew.

And yet, it was not enough. This award is scant consolation for his year of heartache, but his tragedy can only become a greater legend in time.




Best
Foreign Protoss

Jim

Runner-up: Welmu

This year's race for best protoss foreigner was closer than any previous years. In the end it came down to two players: (P)Welmu and (P)Jim. Welmu had a good start to the year as he got to WCS EU Ro8 twice and brought justice to the ATC qualifiers by eliminating Bounty Hyunters from the team league.

In the end however, Jim edged him out by just a little bit. Both players had similar records in ATC (Welmu 12-15, Jim 10-12), Jim's runs in WCS NA were worse, but he met stiffer competition than Welmu. Welmu beat MMA, TLO, BabyKnight, Starbuck, YoDa, MC, DeMusliM and Stephano. Jim on the other hand only fought Koreans and beat Jaedong, Alicia, Nestea and won 4 major regional tournaments in China. What inevitably decided it for Jim was his run at IEM Shenzhen—making it to the semi finals by beating Life, Taeja and San—combined with his consistency throughout the entire year.




Best
Korean Protoss

Zest

Runners-up: herO + sOs + PartinG

This has been the year of Korean Protoss. This year saw a huge swell of elite Protoss Champions as players like (P)herO, (P)sOs, (P)PartinG and (P)Rain fought for the throne. Yet even when you include all of their results—3 IEMs, 1 Hot6ix Cup, 1 HSC, and multiple 2nd places between them—even if you combined all their performances into one person, it would still be completely overshadowed by Zest. If you split Zest into three different players, all three of them would still take the top 3 spots for the protoss race. That is how much more dominant Zest was this year compared to everyone else.

Not only did Zest prove that he was the best protoss of the year, but he alone was the single best Telecom (one man) Team of the year. He alone has more achievements than both KT and SKT combined, and his record against the SKT team is the nightmare of SKT fans everywhere: 3-4 soO, 4-3 soO, 3-1 Classic, 2-1 Soulkey, 2-0 Soulkey, 2-1 Parting, 1-2 Rain, 3-0 Rain, 0-1 Rain, 0-1 Rain, 1-0 Soulkey, 2-1 Soulkey, 2-0 Dark, 4-3 Parting, 3-2 soO, 2-0 Parting, 4-2 Rain, 1-0 Soulkey, 1-0 Parting, 1-0 soO, 1-0 Soulkey, 1-0 Rain.

In total, Zest has gone 44-22 in maps against SKT players and 16-4 in series. He started this year as a small-time Code B player and ended it with him posing half nude with a Van Gogh painting. The only fault he had at all was his lack of international results, but so long as he avoided getting eliminated by Taeja he still acquitted himself extremely well. Despite not qualifying for GSL or SSL in 2015 Season 1, 2014 was the year of Zest.




Game
of the Year

Flash vs Bbyong

Runner-up: Cure vs Trap

There is this discrimination among watchers of Starcraft that only games played on big stages can be considered great. The myths that surround the games we remember the most—GuMiho vs MMA in the GSTL finals, Mvp vs Squirtle in the GSL Finals, TaeJa vs INnoVation in the WCS Season 2 Finals—often involve the circumstances in which they were played. The bigger the prize, the bigger the reason to watch, the more likely the games become part of our history. But much of the culture of Starcraft 2 occurs online—on TeamLiquid, on Battle.net, on r/Starcraft, in online qualifiers, online cups, and on ladder. Of course we remember the champions, the titles, the tournaments, the most, but sometimes a game can transcend all the limitations of a small budget to become one of the greatest games ever played.

TotalBiscuit must have been rolling in his MRI machine (gratz on being Cancer free, I hope we can joke about it now) when game after game in SHOUTcraft Invitational ended up being amazing. Two other games were included in the Top 40, making it the best online tournament of the year. The semi final between Flash vs Bbyong, however, will be remembered for Game 3 on Waystation, our unanimous game of the year.

One of the most interesting characteristics of Waystation was the fact that there were two spawning orientations possible: close spawns or long spawns. The former was often more conducive for timing attacks and all ins, while the latter welcomed long games. The idea of dual spawn types was a fresh idea that allowed maps to offer two types of games in one. Little did we know that you could literally play two games in one.




Team
of the Year

KT Rolster

Runners-up: SKT T1, Jin Air

The 2013 player shuffle indelibly changed the Proleague landscape. Even before this, SKT T1 was one of the favorites to win the 2014 season of Proleague. They maintained their strong roster of (P)Rain, (Z)soO, (P)PartinG, (Z)Dark and (T)FanTaSy, and added significant reinforcements in the form of (P)Classic and (Z)Soulkey. The team suddenly became the overwhelming favorites to take the title with ease. The sheer star power of SKT T1 seemed insurmountable: they had excellent zergs, reliable terrans and 3 world class protoss in an era dominated by Aiur.

Yet, it didn't matter when the world's greatest team league came down to the last match. KT Rolster had spent the entire season in the shadow of their great rival, but when it mattered the most, they came together as a team and triumphed in the Proleague Grand Finals. Their Big 4 performed among the best players in Proleague the entire season, and even their zerg bench warmers, (Z)Action and (Z)hitmaN, scored important wins in the playoff round. They proved that a well balanced team effort was still more potent than a collection of hired superstars.

Not only did KT Rolster prevail in Proleague, but they also did well in individual leagues. Zest was one of the best players on the planet and took home 3 Korean tournament trophies. In the 3rd season of GSL, (P)Stats, (P)Zest, (T)TY and (T)Flash all managed to qualify for Code S. Flash even broke his championship duck at IEM Toronto. KT left no doubt that they were a true family of stars.




Best NA
Tournament

IEM Toronto

Runners-up: Red Bull Tournaments, WCS AM Season 2

When NASL closed its doors and MLG shifted its focus, the NA scene suddenly became a desert. Many pros fled the continent for Europe, and those that remained had to wrestle for precious WCS AM spots and the occasional LAN. There was IEM New York, but there were few other contenders between that Intel stop and WCS. This year, however, saw a small resurgence in American tournaments.

Red Bull suddenly produced a fantastic tournament series throughout the year. MLG Anaheim surprised us all by the mere fact that it happened. WCS AM continued to provide excellent games. But the best tournament of the region wasn't held in the US, but in its neighbor Canada. Not only did IEM Toronto offer an excellent line-up, it delivered in game quality and enduring storylines.

While it will always be remembered as Flash's first (and so far only) championship in Starcraft 2, Toronto was also the tournament where Snute proved that he was a force to be reckoned with. He topped a group with First, sOs and MaSa, and stretched Flash to the brink in the Ro8. Zest and TaeJa played an incredible series, and there was the unforgettable draw between First and Life. Then, when the KT Rolster teammates Zest and Flash met in the finals, the series lived up to its billing as Flash triumphed over Zest's seemingly impenetrable PvT. Yet most of all, the crowd showed that #passion in NA was still alive, including that one deranged fan that wanted to fight ReDeYe.




Best EU
Tournament

IEM Cologne

Runner-up: Homestory Cup X

IEM Cologne was arguably the best tournament we've had in StarCraft II. No impressive crowd shots, no fans clapping in the background. Just one incredibly game after another. Even Battlenet didn't want it to end, which is why it broke down right before the Grand Finals and the tournament ended hours past midnight. Even though it was won by a protoss during a protoss dominated era, the way it happened left little to be desired.

Storylines, great games, a great final—you name it, IEM Cologne had it.




Best Asian
Tournament

Proleague

Runners-up: GSL Season 1, KeSPA Cup

Although KeSPA Cup featured many of the best players in the world at the time it occurred, it had few memorable games and uninspiring storylines, save Zest winning his third Korean tournament of the year. GSL Season 1 was his first.

On his Royal Road to that title, Zest had to kill the defending champion Dear, the $200,000 man sOs, and the perpetual top 3 protoss Rain. On the other side of the bracket, Maru once again, and not for the last time, represented the last terran hope. Ironically, he was defeated by Life. And soO, the previous season’s runner-up, defeated his teammate PartinG in the quarterfinals 3-1 for the second time in a row, then edged out Life 4-3 in the semifinals. Zest in the finals proved to be the superior player as he overcame a 3-2 deficit to win. But he had not just crowned himself the best player in the world. He solidified soO’s fate to always come in second.

Even though GSL Season 1 established perhaps the most memorable story of 2014, 2014 SK Telecom Proleague was the best tournament of the year for its quality of games, storylines, and overall entertainment. In the Round1 playoff finals, Zest brutally all-killed rival SKT in an omen of his future GSL success. In the Round 2 playoffs, MVP pulled off a near miracle as it came up from fourth place to take second overall. Coach SangHo Swagger SwagHo didn’t quite receive the credit he deserved for converting a team with almost no depth and minimal individual league success into a near championship contender. They not only all-killed KT, but stunned CJ Entus, just days after the latter had banned its players from competing in the GSL qualifiers to focus on Proleague. Billowy’s all-kill of KT during that run highlighted not only SwagHo’s mystical powers as a coach, but a recurring theme of the Proleague season: making Flash look dumb.

PartinG started it with the ruler ceremony. Sniped by his own weapon, Flash had a target painted on his back for further jokes in ceremonies as he continued to draw appetizing matches. Stork left nothing to the imagination as he dressed up in a ghost suit to ridicule his Brood War rival. And then Billowy, with the mind control powers SwagHo granted him, made Flash salvage his bunkers on Yeonsu during a blink allin.

Throughout the season, KT and SKT were consistently the most successful in the round robin play, while Jin Air were the only team to win two round playoffs, and CJ maintained the underdog position. As fate demanded, KT and SKT were placed on opposite sides of the bracket for the season finals. SKT edged out CJ in the ace match of the third series, and KT defeated Jin Air slightly more convincingly. The storybook finals delivered, and it was KT who emerged victorious, with Flash taking revenge on his critics in the football ceremony.

The aforementioned ace match of SKT vs CJ between Rain and herO was probably the most exciting and memorable ace match of the season. Not to be forgotten, though, was the Round 3 playoffs bronze match, where the mega-slumping EffOrt blew everyone’s minds, including Maru’s, when he turned out to be a ZvT sniper. Bbyong earned a reputation as not only an up and coming terran, but as a wickedly abusive widow mine plus bio doom dropper, as well as a 4 CC, 2 island base meching player against protoss. Sora vs Zest and Classic vs sOs on Maze provided some whacky mass air late game PvP spectaculars. Oh and of course, there was lots of Gangnam Terran.




International
Player of the Year

Snute

Runner-up: Sen

2014 was a strange year for determining the best international player. (Z)Sen was the only foreign player to win any Premiers in the last 2 years, but despite that had an average year. Most agree that the foreigner of the year was undoubtedly (Z)Snute, yet there was no one moment that stood above all others to personify why Snute was by far the best. In previous years, there was a solid result behind every foreigner picked, whether it be Jinro, Idra, Huk, Stephano, Naniwa, Thorzain or Scarlett. Each of them had a Premier or Major championship, and a nod must be given to Sen for being the only foreigner to win a Premier in 2 years. Snute has yet to win his.

Yet Snute's accomplishments were no less than theirs and are perhaps even greater. The competition in 2014 has become much tougher both in Korea and regionally as there are no longer large gaps of skill between the absolute best foreigners and the tier below them. On any given day a player like Hendralisk or Miniraiser can knock out players like Scarlett and Snute. Yet it is within this chaos that Snute has thrived, not as a champion, but as the single most solid foreigner playing today.

He is someone who can challenge almost any other player in the entire world and come out victorious. In his multiple top finishes this year he's beaten: MMA, Jjakji, Impact, herO, Jaedong, HyuN, Stardust, sOs, Stork and First. From the beginning of the year to the end, Snute has consistently made it to the top 8 of almost every tournament he attended (sans WCS EU) and has proven without a shadow of a doubt he is here to stay.




Korean Player
of the Year

Zest

Runners-up: soO, Life, TaeJa

This award was already set in stone before Blizzcon, which should tell you just how dominant its winner was in 2014. (P)Zest won three Korean individual tournaments in 2014, a landmark untouched since Mvp's 2011. Zest took home two GSL championships and a KeSPA Cup trophy. He was also an integral factor in KT's Proleague success as their second best performing player. Even though Zest disappointingly lost to eventual champion Life in the Ro16 at Blizzcon (his worst result all year), he'd already more than convinced us by then.

The only player who could have taken this award from him was (Z)soO. But irony is cruel at times. soO didn't take his chance and finds himself in second place. His consistency in GSL and everywhere else was inspiring to say the least, but the defining difference between him and Zest, and the reason why the KT protoss edges him out, is that Zest won when it mattered and soO didn't. He won again and again and again. Rivaling any of Mvp's records is a gigantic feat, but his three Korean titles in one year was not one that many expected to be equaled this year. Hats off to you, Zest.




Best Finals
of the Year

Polt vs. HerO

Runners-up: ForGG vs Life, soO vs Zest, Flash vs Parting, Rain vs herO, sOs vs Zest

We really have been blessed with great finals in 2014. Long gone are the days of Inca DT-rushing Nestea four times or MarineKing being out-everythinged by Mvp. This award was the one we had the most trouble deciding. In the end we decided to give it to the amazing conclusion to IEM Cologne. Why, you may ask. Just another tournament won by a protoss? Let's look at it again.

At the heart of protoss' blink era, (T)Polt made it to the finals of a tournament stacked with amazing PvTers by playing nothing but TvP. He'd taken down MaNa, StarDust, Classic and Rain, showcasing masterful, super fast paced genius in the matchup. (P)HerO came from the other side of the bracket, beating ForGG 4-0 on aggregate and wrecking INnoVation 3-0. There was a legitimate argument to be made that the two best players in the PvT matchup were facing off against each other in the finals.

And then Battlenet broke down. For almost two hours, nobody knew if the finals were even going to be held. Finally, past midnight, the games started with HerO having to borrow Leenock's account. After more than 12 hours of StarCraft II, we'd finally crown a champion of this amazing, amazing tournament. And then... a draw. The first map of HerO vs Polt had to be replayed because it ended in a draw.

I'm assuming that what followed was caused by both players throwing all care in the wind and simply playing for fun. HerO and Polt both brought their unique, fast paced styles to the table and demonstrated their mastery of the PvT matchup. From HerO's shredding of Polt's economy on Habitation, to Polt's mindblowing quadruple nexus snipe on Daedalus, to their incredible 40+-minute slugfest on Polar Night, it was PvT at its best, at a time when the matchup wasn't considered entertaining at all. It ended at 4am. HerO vs Polt was a worthy ending to perhaps the best tournament we've ever witnessed in SC2.

And while ForGG vs Life could have made it here due to its amazing storyline and scrappy games, it didn't have the same madness to it. It gets an honorable mention as the closest runner up to the award winner this year.




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East Gorteau22261 Posts
January 31 2015 16:11 GMT
#2
In order to preserve my reputation I would like to make it clear that I strongly disagree with the picking of soO above Life for Best Korean Zerg. However, there seem to be people that hold the wrong opinions, so I was forced to concede!
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The_Templar
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your Country52797 Posts
January 31 2015 16:17 GMT
#3
TaeJa should have been player of the year.
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Mute City2363 Posts
January 31 2015 16:18 GMT
#4
sexy article is sexy
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SoCal, USA3955 Posts
January 31 2015 16:23 GMT
#5
Teamliquid 2014 Awards wins Best Looking Awards.
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United States2101 Posts
January 31 2015 16:27 GMT
#6
Awesome article. Disappointed to see Zest take Korean player of the year. I'd have really liked to see Life or soO take that one, personally.
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Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15883 Posts
January 31 2015 16:33 GMT
#7
why not herO - sOs greatest finals?
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France14456 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 17:03:46
January 31 2015 16:34 GMT
#8
On February 01 2015 01:23 shiroiusagi wrote:
Teamliquid 2014 Awards wins Best Looking Awards.

+1.
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42381 Posts
January 31 2015 16:35 GMT
#9
KT ROLSTER fighting!
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United Kingdom948 Posts
January 31 2015 16:36 GMT
#10
Whoever came up with Hyvaa dent is now immortalized as the best writer ever!
Loved this even though Liquid Bias seems strong but accurate in everything but Taeja, Innovation is just another level to everyone.
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Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
January 31 2015 16:39 GMT
#11
great read! You also made me realize that I miss Frost :S
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Profile Joined March 2014
Turkey39 Posts
January 31 2015 16:39 GMT
#12
Liquid bias is real.
Life always finds a way.
shiroiusagi
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SoCal, USA3955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 16:40:20
January 31 2015 16:40 GMT
#13
Also the post had complications XP But this is parting's ceremony in motion! If you missed it.

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(it's int he post now. XD)
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January 31 2015 16:44 GMT
#14
Taeja hasn't achieved anything in Korea for years while Innovation is a GSL champion. TeamLiquid awards indeed.
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January 31 2015 16:50 GMT
#15
On February 01 2015 01:23 shiroiusagi wrote:
Teamliquid 2014 Awards wins Best Looking Awards.

nice job Stac! :D
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Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 16:54:40
January 31 2015 16:53 GMT
#16
I wish soO could have won at least 1 GSL. Would have been player of the year
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 31 2015 16:54 GMT
#17
god damn liquid bias
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
January 31 2015 16:55 GMT
#18
Great stuff!

But a Stormtrooper... really?
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sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 17:00:37
January 31 2015 16:59 GMT
#19
im almost positive Bomber had a better year than Taeja- not to say i didnt expect this coming in to this article from TL.

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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 31 2015 16:59 GMT
#20
I agreed with pretty much everything, but still managed to rage at being reminded of the awful blink era. That shit almost broke the game.

Also, fuck yeah, KT and Zest!
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Belgica34432 Posts
January 31 2015 17:01 GMT
#21
Not even a mention of Maru in best terran

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Austria16289 Posts
January 31 2015 17:04 GMT
#22
Hm, shouldn't a "breakout player" be someone who actually had a breakout, not one of the best Korean Protoss that in 2014 grew even stronger. (goes for the runner up as well)
E.g. Pigbaby or Sacsri

Also naming Has as entertaining while there are players out there that people actually tune in for is mildly concerning.
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Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
January 31 2015 17:04 GMT
#23
Absolutely beautiful, although I prefer Flash's kicking the ball ceremony
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
January 31 2015 17:05 GMT
#24
On February 01 2015 02:01 Lorning wrote:
Not even a mention of Flash in best terran

Writers are dead to me

FTFY
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Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
January 31 2015 17:11 GMT
#25
Best Korean Zerg had no runner up? Life won Blizzcon, just throwing that out there Aside from that it was good tho ^^
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
January 31 2015 17:13 GMT
#26
On February 01 2015 02:04 Big J wrote:
Hm, shouldn't a "breakout player" be someone who actually had a breakout, not one of the best Korean Protoss that in 2014 grew even stronger. (goes for the runner up as well)
E.g. Pigbaby or Sacsri

Also naming Has as entertaining while there are players out there that people actually tune in for is mildly concerning.


Zest's individual achievements prior to 2014:
Group stage exit from IEM NY

Solar's individual achievements prior to 2014:
Qualified for challenger / Code A twice
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Where dat snitch at?36996 Posts
January 31 2015 17:14 GMT
#27
What the heck? I'm seeing several different outcomes than I expected Oo;;

But, none the less, a fantastic job from TL staff as always.
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Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
January 31 2015 17:14 GMT
#28
KT best KT. Best korean T is arguable i think but Z/P is pretty obvious.
So surprised that Naniwa took greatest drama award. Not.
tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
January 31 2015 17:15 GMT
#29
On February 01 2015 01:59 sc2chronic wrote:
im almost positive Bomber had a better year than Taeja- not to say i didnt expect this coming in to this article from TL.

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As a big fan of both those players, I would ask that you back up why you say that not just say TL bias.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3804 Posts
January 31 2015 17:16 GMT
#30
Agree with everything except Taeja > Innovation
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BernabusStarcraft2
Profile Joined September 2012
Scotland112 Posts
January 31 2015 17:17 GMT
#31
Major deserved a Mention for best foreign Terran for sure
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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
January 31 2015 17:19 GMT
#32
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/
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Canada8157 Posts
January 31 2015 17:22 GMT
#33
TaeJa haters out in full force today
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Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
January 31 2015 17:24 GMT
#34
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased
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Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 17:28:21
January 31 2015 17:26 GMT
#35
On February 01 2015 02:22 Jer99 wrote:
TaeJa haters out in full force today

Hate is the burden of success. As James Franco once said "they hate us, cus they aint us".
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Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 31 2015 17:26 GMT
#36
On February 01 2015 02:13 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:04 Big J wrote:
Hm, shouldn't a "breakout player" be someone who actually had a breakout, not one of the best Korean Protoss that in 2014 grew even stronger. (goes for the runner up as well)
E.g. Pigbaby or Sacsri

Also naming Has as entertaining while there are players out there that people actually tune in for is mildly concerning.


Zest's individual achievements prior to 2014:
Group stage exit from IEM NY

Solar's individual achievements prior to 2014:
Qualified for challenger / Code A twice

maybe I'm wrong about Solar and he actually only went on to be strong in Proleague 2014, but Zest was longtime the best Proleague player 2012-13 with the highest winrate (70% and higher for some time) and an amazing amount of wins despite never being allowed to play ace.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 17:30:54
January 31 2015 17:28 GMT
#37
On February 01 2015 02:26 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:13 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:04 Big J wrote:
Hm, shouldn't a "breakout player" be someone who actually had a breakout, not one of the best Korean Protoss that in 2014 grew even stronger. (goes for the runner up as well)
E.g. Pigbaby or Sacsri

Also naming Has as entertaining while there are players out there that people actually tune in for is mildly concerning.


Zest's individual achievements prior to 2014:
Group stage exit from IEM NY

Solar's individual achievements prior to 2014:
Qualified for challenger / Code A twice

maybe I'm wrong about Solar and he actually only went on to be strong in Proleague 2014, but Zest was longtime the best Proleague player 2012-13 with the highest winrate (70% and higher for some time) and an amazing amount of wins despite never being allowed to play ace.


Zest ended the 12-13 season with a score that was roughly 30-18 if I recall correctly. Seventh or eighth place. He was definitely good back then, but it's hard to argue that 2014 wasn't his breakout year.
Edit: 29-17, 7th player overall.
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Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
January 31 2015 17:33 GMT
#38
I still remember staying up super late for IEM Cologne, just because the games were incredible
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 17:33 GMT
#39
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
January 31 2015 17:34 GMT
#40
On February 01 2015 02:33 Pino wrote:
I still remember staying up super late for IEM Cologne, just because the games were incredible


I've never been so satisfied and disappointed with a finals in SC2 before

You only needed one more Polt
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 31 2015 17:35 GMT
#41
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


One of them actually won tournaments in 2014, and it was not Maru
dracularulez
Profile Joined October 2012
Egypt9 Posts
January 31 2015 17:36 GMT
#42
taeja was the best terran? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA why am i not surprised that u picked him just like last year?
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Last Edited: 2015-01-31 17:38:47
January 31 2015 17:37 GMT
#43
On February 01 2015 02:22 Jer99 wrote:
TaeJa haters out in full force today

No it is just ridiculous to say taeja is the best terran, simple as that...
Really disappointed in that category tbh, it's kinda a running joke at this point


edit: to not be totally negative, the rest of the article is very good though! GJ
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Belgica34432 Posts
January 31 2015 17:39 GMT
#44
On February 01 2015 02:35 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


One of them actually won tournaments in 2014, and it was not Maru

Wow, I'm sure he had such a hard time beating Americans
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France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 17:39 GMT
#45
On February 01 2015 02:35 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


One of them actually won tournaments in 2014, and it was not Maru

Might have something to do with the fact Maru didn't leave Korea
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Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
January 31 2015 17:39 GMT
#46
Blizzcon winner nowhere near runner up zerg?
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 17:41 GMT
#47
On February 01 2015 02:39 Skynx wrote:
Blizzcon winner nowhere near runner up zerg?

Yeah, Life and Solar could have at least been mentioned there
ilovegroov
Profile Joined January 2015
357 Posts
January 31 2015 17:41 GMT
#48
Dat Liquid bias. But its tradition by now...
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Profile Blog Joined November 2009
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Last Edited: 2015-01-31 17:45:59
January 31 2015 17:41 GMT
#49
While some questionable winner choices are explained by predictable TL bias, the Best Ceremony winner is a complete mystery to me. Inexplicable.

Nonetheless most sections were very well written, good job.
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
January 31 2015 17:41 GMT
#50
I liked what I read
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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
January 31 2015 17:43 GMT
#51
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 31 2015 17:45 GMT
#52
On February 01 2015 02:39 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:35 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


One of them actually won tournaments in 2014, and it was not Maru

Wow, I'm sure he had such a hard time beating Americans


TIL Trap and Cure are Americans
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 31 2015 17:46 GMT
#53
On February 01 2015 02:35 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


One of them actually won tournaments in 2014, and it was not Maru

Maru won Leifeng Cups which are tournaments. Gumiho for GOAT player
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 17:48 GMT
#54
On February 01 2015 02:45 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:39 Lorning wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:35 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


One of them actually won tournaments in 2014, and it was not Maru

Wow, I'm sure he had such a hard time beating Americans


TIL Trap and Cure are Americans

This one was still "only" a 8 players Premier. 3 series and you're in final. Reaching Code S RO4 is already 5-7 series.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
January 31 2015 17:48 GMT
#55
I think IEM Katowice was best EU tournament.
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6327 Posts
January 31 2015 17:49 GMT
#56
Yay for Jim.
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 31 2015 17:51 GMT
#57
On February 01 2015 02:28 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:26 Big J wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:13 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:04 Big J wrote:
Hm, shouldn't a "breakout player" be someone who actually had a breakout, not one of the best Korean Protoss that in 2014 grew even stronger. (goes for the runner up as well)
E.g. Pigbaby or Sacsri

Also naming Has as entertaining while there are players out there that people actually tune in for is mildly concerning.


Zest's individual achievements prior to 2014:
Group stage exit from IEM NY

Solar's individual achievements prior to 2014:
Qualified for challenger / Code A twice

maybe I'm wrong about Solar and he actually only went on to be strong in Proleague 2014, but Zest was longtime the best Proleague player 2012-13 with the highest winrate (70% and higher for some time) and an amazing amount of wins despite never being allowed to play ace.


Zest ended the 12-13 season with a score that was roughly 30-18 if I recall correctly. Seventh or eighth place. He was definitely good back then, but it's hard to argue that 2014 wasn't his breakout year.
Edit: 29-17, 7th player overall.


Well, my point is more towards the definition of "breakout". I usually connect that somewhat with "rookie" performances, especially since there was no rookie award but there were "best player" awards anyways.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 31 2015 17:53 GMT
#58
On February 01 2015 02:48 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:45 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:39 Lorning wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:35 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


One of them actually won tournaments in 2014, and it was not Maru

Wow, I'm sure he had such a hard time beating Americans


TIL Trap and Cure are Americans

This one was still "only" a 8 players Premier. 3 series and you're in final. Reaching Code S RO4 is already 5-7 series.


That's not the only tournament he won
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 17:57 GMT
#59
On February 01 2015 02:53 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:48 TheDwf wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:45 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:39 Lorning wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:35 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


One of them actually won tournaments in 2014, and it was not Maru

Wow, I'm sure he had such a hard time beating Americans


TIL Trap and Cure are Americans

This one was still "only" a 8 players Premier. 3 series and you're in final. Reaching Code S RO4 is already 5-7 series.


That's not the only tournament he won

I know, but the other was WCS America with 4 series against Koreans (so quite similar to the Redbull actually, 3 series into TvT finals) and that one was just... lol
iViNtaGe
Profile Joined July 2012
United States254 Posts
January 31 2015 17:57 GMT
#60
BOMBER!!!!!!!!
Favorite Players: Bomber | Maru | Life | PartinG | InnoVation | Bbyong
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
January 31 2015 17:57 GMT
#61
While I do agree soO was better 2014, not giving Life a mention feels kinda weird. He won a DH and came 2nd one. Plus he won Blizzcon..
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 31 2015 17:58 GMT
#62
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??

The liquid bias is too strong!
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 17:59:53
January 31 2015 17:58 GMT
#63
On February 01 2015 02:57 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:53 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:48 TheDwf wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:45 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:39 Lorning wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:35 Dodgin wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


One of them actually won tournaments in 2014, and it was not Maru

Wow, I'm sure he had such a hard time beating Americans


TIL Trap and Cure are Americans

This one was still "only" a 8 players Premier. 3 series and you're in final. Reaching Code S RO4 is already 5-7 series.


That's not the only tournament he won

I know, but the other was WCS America with 4 series against Koreans (so quite similar to the Redbull actually, 3 series into TvT finals) and that one was just... lol


There's also 2nd in S2, one game away from winning. Bomber had a good year(although an admittedly disappointing blizzcon)
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 31 2015 17:59 GMT
#64
Have to agree with all of these but Frost as the map of 2014. I think it shouldn't have been included as it was made in 2013.

If you want to be considered the best Terran of the year, don't choke in every foreign tournament or qualifier .

"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Arvediu
Profile Joined December 2011
Spain69 Posts
January 31 2015 17:59 GMT
#65
I appreciate the effort TL writers do but... omg dat bias...
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15883 Posts
January 31 2015 18:02 GMT
#66
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.


who would you suggest instead of taeja?
INnoVation did nothing except his gsl win, maru was incredible the first half of the year but didn't win a tournament, bomber was strong but if you say taeja can only win vs foreigners (and occasionaly vs 1-2 koreans) you have to say the same about bomber.
TaeJa has all arguments on his side. He won the most tournaments. he has beaten every top player of the year (zest, life, inno, soo, solar etc.). was the only terran who won tournaments during the blink era.

I have no idea where all the anti-taeja bias comes from when he consistently beats the best players korea has to offer and is winning tournaments left and right. There was no terran this year (except maybe maru in the first half of the year) who even came close to taeja.
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
January 31 2015 18:09 GMT
#67
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
who would you suggest instead of taeja?

I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja
don't wall off against random
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
January 31 2015 18:10 GMT
#68
Runner up to most entertaining player is Has?

Fuck you tl writers you pack of goddamn hacks.
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Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 18:12:21
January 31 2015 18:10 GMT
#69
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


Between those two someone also has 11 championships and it's not Innovation. Why didn't he win any of those foreign international tournaments if they're so easy to achieve? He attempted plenty.
tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
January 31 2015 18:10 GMT
#70
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15883 Posts
January 31 2015 18:13 GMT
#71
On February 01 2015 03:09 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
who would you suggest instead of taeja?

I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja

who?
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 31 2015 18:14 GMT
#72
On February 01 2015 03:13 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:09 rotta wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
who would you suggest instead of taeja?

I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja

who?

the one and only who salvaged bunkers vs Billowy
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
January 31 2015 18:16 GMT
#73
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Not to mention that he's been doing it for over 3 years in a row. Plenty of GSL winners who win that tournament once and then never manage to achieve much of anything ever again.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2015 18:18 GMT
#74
Sick graphics, sick article, and Snute yeah :D
But that map award section... Fuck Foxtrot? Like, for real? You realize that according to TLPD, Foxtrot's stats are more balanced than Frost's, right?
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uThermal
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands165 Posts
January 31 2015 18:19 GMT
#75
Best Finals
of the Year
Polt vs. HerO

....how? lol
Team Liquid
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 31 2015 18:19 GMT
#76
On February 01 2015 03:14 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:13 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:09 rotta wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
who would you suggest instead of taeja?

I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja

who?

the one and only who salvaged bunkers vs Billowy

"And then Billowy said let there be a salvage. And God salvaged and it was good."
- Book of SwagHo 1:1
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 31 2015 18:19 GMT
#77
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Come On, Taeja obviously won the most tournaments. For that you just barely need to be able to count. But claiming that he was a better player than Maru and Innovation is just wrong.
If that's the argumentation in favor of Taeja, then it would have to be applied for Life+Solar>soO too. Which everyone knows is stupid because 3 GSL finals in a row can basically only be beaten with GSL championships. Which leads back to Innovation who got a GSL championship and Taeja didn't.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
January 31 2015 18:21 GMT
#78
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15883 Posts
January 31 2015 18:22 GMT
#79
On February 01 2015 03:14 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:13 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:09 rotta wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:02 Charoisaur wrote:
who would you suggest instead of taeja?

I'll give you a hint: He's 8-1 against Taeja

who?

the one and only who salvaged bunkers vs Billowy


oh sorry, i forgot flash.
Well, then i think it's true that taeja has gotten the award only because of tl bias.
Flash did really achieve more this year.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
pretender58
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany713 Posts
January 31 2015 18:25 GMT
#80
Without a doubt, sOs vs marineking was the best finals in 2014.
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
January 31 2015 18:25 GMT
#81
On February 01 2015 03:19 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Come On, Taeja obviously won the most tournaments. For that you just barely need to be able to count. But claiming that he was a better player than Maru and Innovation is just wrong.
If that's the argumentation in favor of Taeja, then it would have to be applied for Life+Solar>soO too. Which everyone knows is stupid because 3 GSL finals in a row can basically only be beaten with GSL championships. Which leads back to Innovation who got a GSL championship and Taeja didn't.


If the award was for "who is the best Terran of the last 3 months of 2014" then sure. But Innovation did shit all for the first 3/4 of 2014. Which is also why soO edged out Life. He performed all year, while life got Blizzcon near the end (and that Dreamhack? in the beginning I think.)
Arvediu
Profile Joined December 2011
Spain69 Posts
January 31 2015 18:26 GMT
#82
On February 01 2015 03:19 uThermal wrote:
Best Finals
of the Year
Polt vs. HerO

....how? lol

Because it would have been too much if they had nominated HerO for best Korean Protoss.
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2623 Posts
January 31 2015 18:26 GMT
#83
On February 01 2015 03:10 Thax wrote:
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On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


Between those two someone also has 11 championships and it's not Innovation. Why didn't he win any of those foreign international tournaments if they're so easy to achieve? He attempted plenty.


He didn't win them all in 2014, in fact he only won 3 in 2014, 1 being an HSC wich is a heavy invite tournament.

Also why didn't he win a WCS/GSL if he is the best terran? He attempted plenty

Anyway I think GSL>other tournaments is valid point, until Taeja wins a korean tournament him being the best terran will always be in discussion
Semmo
Profile Joined June 2011
Korea (South)627 Posts
January 31 2015 18:27 GMT
#84
These are always fun to read!
Mapmaker of Frost, Fruitland and Bridgehead
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 31 2015 18:28 GMT
#85
On February 01 2015 03:10 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


Between those two someone also has 11 championships and it's not Innovation. Why didn't he win any of those foreign international tournaments if they're so easy to achieve? He attempted plenty.

What do you mean with he attempted PLENTY? In fact most "elephants" don't have much practice in foreign tournaments.
Which means they aren't that good at dealing with travelling, etc (this is something which affects their performance).
Taeja didn't win his firts few tries at foreign tournaments either, BUT he actually had the chance to get better at dealing with these outside factors cause he pretty much is able to play in every single foreign tournament.
This is maybe a bold claim, but i think if the kespa boys would get the same chance from their teams, you wouldn't see taeja winning most of the foreign tournaments either.
Which leads to another point: these foreign tournaments tajea wins aren't nearly as stacked as code s (or now ssl).
Sure he defeats some good players there, but for the most part these tournaments are ridiculously easy compared to GSL/SSL/Hot6ix Cup/Kespa Cup/Proleague.
So yeah, taeja stays the most overhyped player ever (even though he actually is really good, i don't wanna deny that), nothing new here!
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 31 2015 18:28 GMT
#86
Wow, so many wrong things here.

Overgrowth not even mentioned for map of the year? King Sejong Station? Those maps were great, just like Frost was.

Flash and the soccer ball was way funnier than the ruler thing.

Taeja best Korean Terran is like, offensively wrong and the hugest of Liquid bias I've ever seen. Innovation can actually win in Korea unlike that hack.

The biased Scarlett fan in me says Scarlett should have been runner-up for best foreign zerg (snute was so obviously first place, that's right at least). Sen had one great result and was pretty silent the rest of the year. Scarlett had 2 great results and was silent the rest of the year. 2>1

Life probably should have been Korean Zerg runner up, but he did only kind of come back into form at the end of the year so I guess I understand. He'll be zerg of the year 2015.

Other than that solid stuff guys!
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tjtombo
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States295 Posts
January 31 2015 18:29 GMT
#87
On February 01 2015 03:21 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive.

I am not "starting arguments" you made a post I disagreed with so I made a point. If you think that is aggressive, thats tough but i wouldn't recommend posting on the internet. If you post your opinion, please be prepared for people to respond with counter arguments without complaining that I am trying to start a fight.
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
January 31 2015 18:31 GMT
#88
On February 01 2015 03:21 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive.


"Arguably Solar" he says of one of the best performing Zergs of 2014, and Leenock is a "random" now? Maybe if you didn't use so obviously loaded and biased language when hating on other players, people wouldn't get the impression that you were being a "hater".
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 31 2015 18:33 GMT
#89
There is one more year end list to be released.
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
January 31 2015 18:34 GMT
#90
no day9 award for being day9? worst awards ever
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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 18:36:48
January 31 2015 18:34 GMT
#91
On February 01 2015 03:29 tjtombo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:21 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive.

I am not "starting arguments" you made a post I disagreed with so I made a point. If you think that is aggressive, thats tough but i wouldn't recommend posting on the internet. If you post your opinion, please be prepared for people to respond with counter arguments without complaining that I am trying to start a fight.


Calling people stupid and using all caps; now "counter arguments". You learn new stuff every day.

On topic: it's important to discuss why players haven't attended certain foreign events. A lot of the time they pull out last minute because they have commitments in GSL etc. In many ways, not being able to play an IEM or Dreamhack at all because you have ro16 or ro8 GSL is a greater sign of achievement than winning that IEM or Dreamhack. Obviously that's contextual though.

On February 01 2015 03:31 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:21 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive.


"Arguably Solar" he says of one of the best performing Zergs of 2014, and Leenock is a "random" now? Maybe if you didn't use so obviously loaded and biased language when hating on other players, people wouldn't get the impression that you were being a "hater".


Umm, Lol? What's loaded, talking about players in terms of tiers where the top tier is the players winning and performing in GSL? (or winning top foreign events, which is why Taeja is top tier). Solar wasn't the best performing zerg when he played Taeja. That's like saying beating Maru in 2011 is like beating him now, there's an obvious discrepancy and it was before Solar started smashing.
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phagga
Profile Joined February 2012
Switzerland2194 Posts
January 31 2015 18:34 GMT
#92
On February 01 2015 03:21 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive


Actually, that's what you said:

On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever.


"A person who does not concern himself with politics has already made the political choice he was so anxious to spare himself: he is serving the ruling party." - Max Frisch
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
January 31 2015 18:37 GMT
#93
On February 01 2015 03:34 phagga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:21 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive


Actually, that's what you said:

Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever.




Apologies if you misinterpreted what I said.
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Ben1500
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom180 Posts
January 31 2015 18:37 GMT
#94
Have people forgotten that taeja nearly won blizzcon, that series versus life easily could have gone either way.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
January 31 2015 18:37 GMT
#95
I hope one day we get to see the inhouse debates for this.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
January 31 2015 18:38 GMT
#96
Welmu > Jim
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 18:42 GMT
#97
On February 01 2015 03:10 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


Between those two someone also has 11 championships and it's not Innovation.

Irrelevant since we're talking 2014, not the whole career.

Why didn't he win any of those foreign international tournaments if they're so easy to achieve? He attempted plenty.

1. I didn't say "they're so easy". Don't put words into my mouth/don't assume things please. I'm not a "TaeJa hater". If I had to rate him in 2014 Terrans I would put him second.
2. Unless I forgot something Bogus attempted 3 international Premier in 2014. At IEM Cologne he was protossed by HerO in one of the most disgusting TvP series of the year. At the DH Bucharest he reached RO4 before losing 1-2 to the eventual winner, Life. At IEM Shenzhen he reached RO8, then lost to Solar (who, from memory, would have won the tournament 4-2 had he not massively thrown the game 6 against TaeJa). So even if he didn't win any, I think he did fine under the circumstances. Props to TaeJa for winning the stacked Shenzhen, but HSC X and the DH Summer weren't as hard.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 31 2015 18:43 GMT
#98
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?
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Legio
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden235 Posts
January 31 2015 18:44 GMT
#99
Liquid players take all the awards eh?
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
January 31 2015 18:44 GMT
#100
On February 01 2015 03:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:10 Thax wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


Between those two someone also has 11 championships and it's not Innovation. Why didn't he win any of those foreign international tournaments if they're so easy to achieve? He attempted plenty.

What do you mean with he attempted PLENTY? In fact most "elephants" don't have much practice in foreign tournaments.
Which means they aren't that good at dealing with travelling, etc (this is something which affects their performance).
Taeja didn't win his firts few tries at foreign tournaments either, BUT he actually had the chance to get better at dealing with these outside factors cause he pretty much is able to play in every single foreign tournament.
This is maybe a bold claim, but i think if the kespa boys would get the same chance from their teams, you wouldn't see taeja winning most of the foreign tournaments either.
Which leads to another point: these foreign tournaments tajea wins aren't nearly as stacked as code s (or now ssl).
Sure he defeats some good players there, but for the most part these tournaments are ridiculously easy compared to GSL/SSL/Hot6ix Cup/Kespa Cup/Proleague.
So yeah, taeja stays the most overhyped player ever (even though he actually is really good, i don't wanna deny that), nothing new here!


Innovation was on a foreign team (Acer) for the majority of 2014 and half of 2013. Why the heck are you talking about Kespa teams? They sent him to plenty of international tournaments. 6 to be exact. Taeja won the 5th he attended, ahead of 7 top Koreans from that time + Stephano. Your argument is baseless.
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
January 31 2015 18:46 GMT
#101
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?


Oh god yes please!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 31 2015 18:47 GMT
#102
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

Oh Oh we could start that one right now.

1. Flash
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Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
January 31 2015 18:51 GMT
#103
On February 01 2015 03:37 Ben1500 wrote:
Have people forgotten that taeja nearly won blizzcon, that series versus life easily could have gone either way.


That wasn't the finals, and MMA was playing good enough TvT to take down Bomber, who was considered the best TvT at the time, though to quote MMA Bomber was having an off day. MMA got snubbed pretty bad not even honorable mention. $121K last year--next closest was Bomber at $92K.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
January 31 2015 18:51 GMT
#104
On February 01 2015 03:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

Oh Oh we could start that one right now.

1. Flash

Why? I was pretty happy about Flash's year.
don't wall off against random
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 18:52 GMT
#105
On February 01 2015 03:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

Oh Oh we could start that one right now.

1. Flash

That would rather be the "top10 players with the most haters who like to refer to imaginary hords of annoying fanboys who are nowhere to be seen"
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 31 2015 18:52 GMT
#106
On February 01 2015 03:51 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

Oh Oh we could start that one right now.

1. Flash

Why? I was pretty happy about Flash's year.

oh... well then nevermind.

1. Scarlett (aka I'm still mad)
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Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
January 31 2015 18:53 GMT
#107
On February 01 2015 03:34 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:29 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:21 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive.

I am not "starting arguments" you made a post I disagreed with so I made a point. If you think that is aggressive, thats tough but i wouldn't recommend posting on the internet. If you post your opinion, please be prepared for people to respond with counter arguments without complaining that I am trying to start a fight.


Calling people stupid and using all caps; now "counter arguments". You learn new stuff every day.

On topic: it's important to discuss why players haven't attended certain foreign events. A lot of the time they pull out last minute because they have commitments in GSL etc. In many ways, not being able to play an IEM or Dreamhack at all because you have ro16 or ro8 GSL is a greater sign of achievement than winning that IEM or Dreamhack. Obviously that's contextual though.

Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:31 Thax wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:21 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive.


"Arguably Solar" he says of one of the best performing Zergs of 2014, and Leenock is a "random" now? Maybe if you didn't use so obviously loaded and biased language when hating on other players, people wouldn't get the impression that you were being a "hater".


Umm, Lol? What's loaded, talking about players in terms of tiers where the top tier is the players winning and performing in GSL? (or winning top foreign events, which is why Taeja is top tier). Solar wasn't the best performing zerg when he played Taeja. That's like saying beating Maru in 2011 is like beating him now, there's an obvious discrepancy and it was before Solar started smashing.


Solar was performing very well in Code S well before that tournament. I also never said he was "the" best performing. If you really can't see how being so plainly dismissive of players and their achievements will rub some people the wrong way, than I wont bother anymore though.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 18:53 GMT
#108
On February 01 2015 03:51 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

Oh Oh we could start that one right now.

1. Flash

Why? I was pretty happy about Flash's year.

Yeah, Flash's 2014 was definitely his best year so far
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2015 18:54 GMT
#109
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

That would be full of Prime players
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 31 2015 18:54 GMT
#110
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?


Nope, but I'll give that out now:

Naniwa
Jaedong
Flash
Scarlett
Stephano
Protoss in general
Terran in general
herO
Innovation
Idra
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 31 2015 18:54 GMT
#111
On February 01 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

That would be full of Prime players

No no, it's a list of salty fans, not the list of most depressed ones.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 31 2015 18:55 GMT
#112
On February 01 2015 03:52 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

Oh Oh we could start that one right now.

1. Flash

That would rather be the "top10 players with the most haters who like to refer to imaginary hords of annoying fanboys who are nowhere to be seen"


Hahaha, this is 100% true :D.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 31 2015 18:55 GMT
#113
On February 01 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

That would be full of Prime players


That would require Prime to have more than 1 fan.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 18:56:04
January 31 2015 18:55 GMT
#114
On February 01 2015 03:54 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?


Nope, but I'll give that out now:


Jaedong


I'm not salty.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 18:56:22
January 31 2015 18:55 GMT
#115

nvm misread
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 18:57:58
January 31 2015 18:57 GMT
#116
On February 01 2015 03:55 stuchiu wrote:
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On February 01 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

That would be full of Prime players


That would require Prime to have more than 1 fan.

are you implaying Lilliputin is, in fact, Lorning's alt?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 31 2015 18:59 GMT
#117
On February 01 2015 03:57 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:55 stuchiu wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:54 OtherWorld wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?

That would be full of Prime players


That would require Prime to have more than 1 fan.

are you implaying Lilliputin is, in fact, Lorning's alt?

Well, it says so right in this sig.
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 19:08:24
January 31 2015 18:59 GMT
#118
I have a really hard time with Taeja as the best Korean Terran, Honestly I would favor Bomber, MMA (maybe), and perhaps innovation over Taeja. Much of Taeja's success is against inferior competition.

Innovation won a gsl. (That in itself is far more difficult than winning the tournaments that taeja won)

MMA 2nd at blizzcon

Bomber won the RBBG in very impressive fashion, defeating several solid Kespa players, including cure. Who at the time was in the semi-finals of the GSL who went on to lost to Innovation 4-3.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
January 31 2015 19:00 GMT
#119
On February 01 2015 03:53 Thax wrote:
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On February 01 2015 03:34 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:29 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:21 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive.

I am not "starting arguments" you made a post I disagreed with so I made a point. If you think that is aggressive, thats tough but i wouldn't recommend posting on the internet. If you post your opinion, please be prepared for people to respond with counter arguments without complaining that I am trying to start a fight.


Calling people stupid and using all caps; now "counter arguments". You learn new stuff every day.

On topic: it's important to discuss why players haven't attended certain foreign events. A lot of the time they pull out last minute because they have commitments in GSL etc. In many ways, not being able to play an IEM or Dreamhack at all because you have ro16 or ro8 GSL is a greater sign of achievement than winning that IEM or Dreamhack. Obviously that's contextual though.

On February 01 2015 03:31 Thax wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:21 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:10 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:43 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:24 tjtombo wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:19 Yonnua wrote:
Every year Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up and teamliquid writers (and many other people) just start going mental and calling him the best player ever. Then when he gets smashed by top tier players at other events they completely ignore it and act as if it never happened. It's crazy.

Players like Maru, Innovation and Bomber have performed on much bigger stages and with greater consistency against the top tier players, but don't get anywhere near as much credit. :/

Yeah like when he edged out Zest 3-0, or edged out soO 3-1, or edged out innovation 3-1. Or maybe you are refering to him getting "smashed" by losing 3-2 to Life twice recently (and lets be real, almost everyone is losing to life right now especially in ZvT) in two of the best series of the year. I know what you mean when you say people overlook his losses, but the way you phrase it passes off his multiple tournament wins as "Taeja beats a bunch of lower tier players at random tournaments then edges it over the one or two top tier players that turn up". Aren't you doing the same thing you claim TL writers are doing? Your view comes off just as biased


How is this not exactly what I said? He beats one or two top tier players per event. He barely edges it over people to win events i.e. 4-3 vs Solar & losing to Jim at Shenzhen, 3-2 vs Jaedong & losing to Scarlett/MMA at Homestory Cup, not facing any top tier players at Dreamhack Summer, etc. Then at other tournaments he drops games to Leenock (Dreamhack Winter/Taiwan Open), Flash (3-0 at Homestory Cup), Hyun (WCS), Pigbaby (two different WCS events), Dear/Stardust (ASUS ROG), Major/Hyun (WCS).

I'm not claiming he's a bad playing, but saying that he's obviously the best terran of 2014 is crazy while completely ignoring that he lost to random players in loads of the events he played in (even one or two that he won). Acting like he was always undefeatable when he won is ridiculous.

Claiming I'm doing the same as the writers is silly because I'm not ignoring data, I'm just using all of the data rather than selecting the little amount that proves that the player I like is the best. I'm also not saying anyone is or isn't the best, I'm saying that calling it so clear cut when other players have had much better performances throughout the year is silly and not backed by data.

That tournament that he won by only edging out Solar 4-3 he also 3-0d Zest so I would be curious how you would call that edging someone out. Also, what player HASN'T lost to players that they wouldnt expect them too? Part of the reason that sc2 is so great is that no player is immortal or undefeatable. Also, you trying to discredit his tournament wins in foreign tournaments ignores that NO other player has replicated his results in those tournaments. Innovation (who is also a player i like) tried to live that same way when he went to Acer and didn't NEARLY have the same results as Taeja. I agree that best terran is NOT clear cut, but your initial post baisically said he can barley edge out some top players and only beat "bad" foreign players which Taeja has proven not to be true.
TLDR
The Best Terran 2014 is by no means clear cut, but claiming that Taeja didn't earn a claim to it, or doesn't deserve to be a candidate (you didn't say that but alot of haters do) is completely stupid. Taeja isn't a God who can beat everyone always, but he has proven that he can consistently dominate overseas, and be dangerous to even the best of the best in korea.


Why, when you quite clearly agree with what I said i.e. that top terran isn't clear cut and lots of people have a claim to it, are you being so aggressive and misrepresenting what I said?

I in no way said he can only barely beat top players, I said that at the tournaments he won, he only beat 1 or 2 top tier players (i.e. only zest and arguably solar at that tournament), and at other tournaments he gets smashed by random players (i.e. 2-0 by leenock etc at other tournaments).

Please don't try to start arguments with people that you agree with for the sake of causing drama. Stop assuming that anyone that thinks other players should have been considered is automatically a "hater". We just have different opinions to the TL writers. There's no need to be aggressive.


"Arguably Solar" he says of one of the best performing Zergs of 2014, and Leenock is a "random" now? Maybe if you didn't use so obviously loaded and biased language when hating on other players, people wouldn't get the impression that you were being a "hater".


Umm, Lol? What's loaded, talking about players in terms of tiers where the top tier is the players winning and performing in GSL? (or winning top foreign events, which is why Taeja is top tier). Solar wasn't the best performing zerg when he played Taeja. That's like saying beating Maru in 2011 is like beating him now, there's an obvious discrepancy and it was before Solar started smashing.


Solar was performing very well in Code S well before that tournament. I also never said he was "the" best performing. If you really can't see how being so plainly dismissive of players and their achievements will rub some people the wrong way, than I wont bother anymore though.


In none of my posts have I been dismissive of players achievements. I've just put them in context of other players and the grand scheme of things. If you were compiling a list of "players likely able to win a code S", I don't think Solar would have been in many people's list. That's what we're looking at in terms of a top tier. Recognising that there are multiple tiers of players and that beating higher tiers means more isn't in any way insulting or dismissing players not in the top tier.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 19:03 GMT
#120
On February 01 2015 03:54 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?


Nope, but I'll give that out now:

Naniwa
Jaedong
Flash
Scarlett
Stephano
Protoss in general
Terran in general
herO
Innovation
Idra

"Zerg in general" not even in the top3? Denied
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 31 2015 19:03 GMT
#121
On February 01 2015 04:03 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:54 stuchiu wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?


Nope, but I'll give that out now:

Naniwa
Jaedong
Flash
Scarlett
Stephano
Protoss in general
Terran in general
herO
Innovation
Idra

"Zerg in general" not even in the top3? Denied

Zerg fans aren't thaaat salty.
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 31 2015 19:04 GMT
#122
Fine with all awards. Good job writing team.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 31 2015 19:05 GMT
#123
On February 01 2015 04:03 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 04:03 TheDwf wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:54 stuchiu wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?


Nope, but I'll give that out now:

Naniwa
Jaedong
Flash
Scarlett
Stephano
Protoss in general
Terran in general
herO
Innovation
Idra

"Zerg in general" not even in the top3? Denied

Zerg fans aren't thaaat salty.


2014 has defintely been about terran fans vs protoss fans, with zergs just sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2015 19:06 GMT
#124
On February 01 2015 04:03 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:54 stuchiu wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?


Nope, but I'll give that out now:

Naniwa
Jaedong
Flash
Scarlett
Stephano
Protoss in general
Terran in general
herO
Innovation
Idra

"Zerg in general" not even in the top3? Denied

Zerg fans salty? Please. We always sit there and look at the one and only chosen Zerg doing well in a tournament without complaining, while everyone bitches about the units that actually makes Zerg decent and able to compete with the other races.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 19:08 GMT
#125
On February 01 2015 04:06 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 04:03 TheDwf wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:54 stuchiu wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:43 Ej_ wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:33 stuchiu wrote:
There is one more year end list to be released.

Top 10 players with the saltiest fans?


Nope, but I'll give that out now:

Naniwa
Jaedong
Flash
Scarlett
Stephano
Protoss in general
Terran in general
herO
Innovation
Idra

"Zerg in general" not even in the top3? Denied

Zerg fans salty? Please. We always sit there and look at the one and only chosen Zerg doing well in a tournament without complaining, while everyone bitches about the units that actually makes Zerg decent and able to compete with the other races.

Hahahaha
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 19:11:21
January 31 2015 19:09 GMT
#126
On February 01 2015 03:44 Thax wrote:
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On February 01 2015 03:28 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On February 01 2015 03:10 Thax wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:33 TheDwf wrote:
TaeJa instead of Bogus for the title of best Korean Terran? Muahahaha
Between those two, someone actually won a Code S. And it was not TaeJa.
And why Bomber among the runners-up instead of Maru??


Between those two someone also has 11 championships and it's not Innovation. Why didn't he win any of those foreign international tournaments if they're so easy to achieve? He attempted plenty.

What do you mean with he attempted PLENTY? In fact most "elephants" don't have much practice in foreign tournaments.
Which means they aren't that good at dealing with travelling, etc (this is something which affects their performance).
Taeja didn't win his firts few tries at foreign tournaments either, BUT he actually had the chance to get better at dealing with these outside factors cause he pretty much is able to play in every single foreign tournament.
This is maybe a bold claim, but i think if the kespa boys would get the same chance from their teams, you wouldn't see taeja winning most of the foreign tournaments either.
Which leads to another point: these foreign tournaments tajea wins aren't nearly as stacked as code s (or now ssl).
Sure he defeats some good players there, but for the most part these tournaments are ridiculously easy compared to GSL/SSL/Hot6ix Cup/Kespa Cup/Proleague.
So yeah, taeja stays the most overhyped player ever (even though he actually is really good, i don't wanna deny that), nothing new here!


Innovation was on a foreign team (Acer) for the majority of 2014 and half of 2013. Why the heck are you talking about Kespa teams? They sent him to plenty of international tournaments. 6 to be exact. Taeja won the 5th he attended, ahead of 7 top Koreans from that time + Stephano. Your argument is baseless.

I don't think it is baseless at all. It simply is a fact that taeja attends more foreign tournaments than innovation for example.
You just need to look at blizzcon, Innovation couldn't deal with the delay and the problems there at all, i would argue that's cause he didn't attend nearly as much weekend tournaments than taeja did. I still believe Innovation would have won that series if this stuff didn't happen there, obviously that's my opinion here
I use kespa players as an example cause i think most people would agree that they are the best and most consistent players we have right now in sc2. (you could also say code s players, whatever). fact is that these players don't get much chances to play in foreign tournaments, which i think is a big reason they usually don't win them.
There are exceptions, but that's the general impression i got ( plus it is a reason why foreign weekend tournaments aren't that stacked).
So yeah, winning that one gsl this year is imo worth WAY more than the 3 tournaments taeja won.
I would even argue that playing in proleague and be at the top of that player list might be harder, but i don't think we should argue that, not THAT relevant here.
Call me taeja hater or whatever, but i really don't think i hate on him, i just try to look at the broader picture instead of repeating "but taeja won over 9000 weekend tournaments!!!"
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Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
January 31 2015 19:10 GMT
#127
On February 01 2015 02:15 tjtombo wrote:
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On February 01 2015 01:59 sc2chronic wrote:
im almost positive Bomber had a better year than Taeja- not to say i didnt expect this coming in to this article from TL.

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As a big fan of both those players, I would ask that you back up why you say that not just say TL bias.


Ill back him up by saying tl bias
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 19:11 GMT
#128
On February 01 2015 04:04 HolydaKing wrote:
Fine with all awards. Good job writing team.

That's not how it works. You're supposed to raise your fist and bay for blood
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 31 2015 19:13 GMT
#129
On February 01 2015 04:11 TheDwf wrote:
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On February 01 2015 04:04 HolydaKing wrote:
Fine with all awards. Good job writing team.

That's not how it works. You're supposed to raise your fist and bay for blood

I don't understand why people get upset about people "complaining" ?
If anything it's nice to argue about this stuff, it shows people care about sc2. If we all simply would agree with the whole article it would be incredibly boring imo.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 19:14 GMT
#130
On February 01 2015 04:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 04:11 TheDwf wrote:
On February 01 2015 04:04 HolydaKing wrote:
Fine with all awards. Good job writing team.

That's not how it works. You're supposed to raise your fist and bay for blood

I don't understand why people get upset about people "complaining" ?

That's not what I meant
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
January 31 2015 19:23 GMT
#131
Taeja best terran?

Life not zerg runner up?

Sen 2nd best foreiner?

Jim best Protoss foreigner?

"okay"
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HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 19:32:30
January 31 2015 19:30 GMT
#132
On February 01 2015 04:23 KalWarkov wrote:
Taeja best terran?

Life not zerg runner up?

Sen 2nd best foreiner?

Jim best Protoss foreigner?

"okay"

Taeja had the best results of terrans in 2014 imo, so yeah even tho I don't like him it's OK for him to be #1.

Life should be runner up I agree.

Sen 2nd best foreigner is OK for me since there weren't any noticeable ones except Snute. Well, maybe Bunny or Scarlett, but not really...

Jim best foreign Protoss I got no clue, there aren't any I would definietly choose, so I'm fine with it. No really good foreign Protoss 2014 IMO.
Liman
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia681 Posts
January 31 2015 19:31 GMT
#133
Taeja?
Soo over Life?
What?
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 19:31 GMT
#134
On February 01 2015 04:31 Liman wrote:
Taeja?
Soo over Life?
What?

Of course soO over Life
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 31 2015 19:33 GMT
#135
On February 01 2015 04:31 Liman wrote:
Taeja?
Soo over Life?
What?

soO over Life is 100% accurate

On February 01 2015 04:30 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 04:23 KalWarkov wrote:
Taeja best terran?

Life not zerg runner up?

Sen 2nd best foreiner?

Jim best Protoss foreigner?

"okay"

Sen 2nd best foreigner is OK for me since there weren't any noticeable ones except Snute. Well, maybe Bunny.

Scarlett was pretty noticeable, too. But maybe I'm just being a fanboy. Bunny only came around half way or so through this year.
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SoulmaN__
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany80 Posts
January 31 2015 19:34 GMT
#136
I cried at the biggest rivalry.

Fuck this!
"I love my family." - soO after his 4th consecutive loss in a GSL final :-(
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 31 2015 19:39 GMT
#137
On February 01 2015 04:34 SoulmaN__ wrote:
I cried at the biggest rivalry.

Fuck this!

I'm not really a big fan, but it's really sad. I hope he get's 1st place in 2015, he deserves it.
KtJ
Profile Joined October 2014
United States3514 Posts
January 31 2015 19:46 GMT
#138
I laughed more than I should have at the hugest rivalry.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 31 2015 19:46 GMT
#139
Maru didn't even get a mention for being the Terran hero of Korea for like half of 2014? :/

Frost was a great map but c'mon that's a bs pick. Sejong clearly was the best map.

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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
January 31 2015 19:53 GMT
#140
Blatant TaeJa bias aside, pretty decent list.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
January 31 2015 19:54 GMT
#141
On February 01 2015 04:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru didn't even get a mention for being the Terran hero of Korea for like half of 2014? :/

Frost was a great map but c'mon that's a bs pick. Sejong clearly was the best map.

Life > soO

How can you say Maru > TaeJa (which is right) and say Life > soO (which is so wrong) at the same time? Is beating Zest, San, TaeJa and MMA really better than 3 GSL 2nd places?
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
January 31 2015 19:55 GMT
#142
On February 01 2015 04:11 TheDwf wrote:
That's not how it works. You're supposed to raise your fist and bay for blood


I agree!

Wtf, no mention of my lovely lovely Habitation Station?! The map that had it's own meta, the map you'd actually see tanks, see tempest rushes, see gangnam style, spore crawling rushing ZvZ, drone pulling the gangnam terran, walling off behind your minerals to counter the drone pull, the million gate San style zealot push, the double gold takes, the split maps, the base trades.

"Runner Up: None :[" PSHHHHHHHHHH!! </3 Come on Team Liquid!

To be fair though, Frost was quite the badass map though lol.
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
Hydro033
Profile Joined July 2012
United States136 Posts
January 31 2015 19:58 GMT
#143
Do people not like overgrowth? I feel like it was definitely the best map of 2014.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 19:58 GMT
#144
On February 01 2015 04:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru didn't even get a mention for being the Terran hero of Korea for like half of 2014? :/

Frost was a great map but c'mon that's a bs pick. Sejong clearly was the best map.

Yeah, King Sejong was far superior. Habitation Station could have been a runner-up had it been played in a better phase of the game
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 31 2015 20:00 GMT
#145
On February 01 2015 04:58 Hydro033 wrote:
Do people not like overgrowth? I feel like it was definitely the best map of 2014.

Overgrowth, KSS, Habitation Station, and IMO Foxtrot Labs (RIP taken before it's time) were all great maps this year. No runner up is stupid.
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 20:12:16
January 31 2015 20:02 GMT
#146
On February 01 2015 03:38 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Welmu > Jim

Totally.

In his non-WCS tournaments he also for example 2-0'd Life, 3-1'd Alicia, 2-0'd HerO and 2-1'd Roro.

If he only didn't have such health and motivation issues, but I guess he still did rather well being a part-time player going to college.

Edit. And also didn't mention how while Jim had to beat some chinese scrubs, Welmu had to beat players like Fuzer, elfi and Serral in Finland. /s
why even
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2015 20:03 GMT
#147
On February 01 2015 04:55 SidianTheBard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 04:11 TheDwf wrote:
That's not how it works. You're supposed to raise your fist and bay for blood


I agree!

Wtf, no mention of my lovely lovely Habitation Station?! The map that had it's own meta, the map you'd actually see tanks, see tempest rushes, see gangnam style, spore crawling rushing ZvZ, drone pulling the gangnam terran, walling off behind your minerals to counter the drone pull, the million gate San style zealot push, the double gold takes, the split maps, the base trades.

"Runner Up: None :[" PSHHHHHHHHHH!! </3 Come on Team Liquid!

To be fair though, Frost was quite the badass map though lol.

Since Foxtrot is apparently Daedalus-level for the TL writers, I guess Habitation is a slightly-below-average map for them
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Hydro033
Profile Joined July 2012
United States136 Posts
January 31 2015 20:08 GMT
#148
On February 01 2015 01:11 Zealously wrote:
In order to preserve my reputation I would like to make it clear that I strongly disagree with the picking of soO above Life for Best Korean Zerg. However, there seem to be people that hold the wrong opinions, so I was forced to concede!


Good on you good sir. It is definitely a disgrace to say that there is "no one even close." Life winning Blizzcon when zergs were struggling is just a testament to his ability.
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Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
January 31 2015 20:08 GMT
#149
I am very amazed that Has didn't get Most Entertaining Player
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Meavis
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Netherlands1300 Posts
January 31 2015 20:08 GMT
#150
Fuck Yeonsu, Fuck Alterzim, Fuck Daedalus, Fuck Heavy Rain, Fuck Polar Night, Fuck Catallena, Fuck Nimbus, Fuck Waystation, Fuck Deadwing, Fuck Foxtrot, Fuck Merry Go Round.

Can we not have a map pool that blatantly favors one race over the others? God damn.


so respectfull towards those who put away countless hours to provide something amazing for absolutely no cost only to get insulted.

hope you guys will have fun on blizz maps.
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Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
January 31 2015 20:09 GMT
#151
Transition seamlessly into either HT or storm.
(ain't that the same thing?)
The that the game was announced wasn't particularly surprising.
missing a word, or 1 word too many
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SackOfWetMice
Profile Joined October 2014
United States288 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 20:10:22
January 31 2015 20:09 GMT
#152
Under the "Best Korean Protoss" section, it says this about Zest:

"Not only did Zest prove that he was the best protoss of the year, but he alone was the single best Telecom (one man) Team of the year. He alone has more achievements than both KT and SKT combined, and his record against the SKT team is the nightmare of SKT fans everywhere: 3-4 soO, 4-3 soO, 3-1 Classic, 2-1 Soulkey, 2-0 Soulkey, 2-1 Parting, 1-2 Rain, 3-0 Rain, 0-1 Rain, 1-0 Soulkey, 2-1 Soulkey, 2-0 Dark, 4-3 Parting, 3-2 soO, 2-0 Parting, 4-2 Rain, 1-0 Soulkey, 1-0 Parting, 1-0 soO, 1-0 Soulkey, 1-0 Rain."

While I agree with the choice, I'm confused about that last '1-0 Rain,' didn't Rain beat Zest in their PvP during the Proleague finals?

I remember Rain seemed to be the only SKT player who was consistently winning games vs Zest in 2014 Proleague.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 20:18:12
January 31 2015 20:15 GMT
#153
On February 01 2015 04:54 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 04:46 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Maru didn't even get a mention for being the Terran hero of Korea for like half of 2014? :/

Frost was a great map but c'mon that's a bs pick. Sejong clearly was the best map.

Life > soO

How can you say Maru > TaeJa (which is right) and say Life > soO (which is so wrong) at the same time? Is beating Zest, San, TaeJa and MMA really better than 3 GSL 2nd places?


I didn't say Maru > Taeja, I said Maru is a hero and deserves a mention. I agree with Taeja being the actual top Terran and even Bogus should be ahead of Maru.

But Maru kept Terran hope alive in Korea in perhaps the roughest period ever for the race. That has to at least earn a shoutout in the category.

Even Polt got in on that:

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Spektorius
Profile Joined December 2013
Albania4 Posts
January 31 2015 20:16 GMT
#154
hahaha taeja best korean terran.. top lel
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 20:16 GMT
#155
On February 01 2015 05:09 SackOfWetMice wrote:
While I agree with the choice, I'm confused about that last '1-0 Rain'

Rain proxy gated but Zest scouted it. Rain blamed the soundproofing and forfeited the series
The Harem King
Profile Joined December 2013
United States12 Posts
January 31 2015 20:19 GMT
#156
It probably should have been a tie between Taeja and Bomber! All the people who are saying Maru and Innovation should think logically for a second. Maru didn't do anything significant past carrying Jin Air in Proleague with $o$ and wasn't really relevant past Proleague and I know he was one of the only Terrans left standing in Code S when Protoss was strong but thats not enough to justify best Terran of the year. Innovation was irrelevant for a majority of the year trying to do what Taeja and Bomber do which is go to foreign events and win and failed. He did win a Code S but just winning a Code S is not enough to justify best Terran player. Bomber and Taeja were dominant for a majority of the year and were pretty equal in results and having epic memorable games. The only thing that really separates them is that Taeja became the player with the most premier wins and I think it would have been more appropriate to give them the tandem award cause it was a really big year for the both of them where the both accomplished so much and were pretty much equal!
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2015 20:21 GMT
#157
On February 01 2015 05:08 Meavis wrote:
Show nested quote +
Fuck Yeonsu, Fuck Alterzim, Fuck Daedalus, Fuck Heavy Rain, Fuck Polar Night, Fuck Catallena, Fuck Nimbus, Fuck Waystation, Fuck Deadwing, Fuck Foxtrot, Fuck Merry Go Round.

Can we not have a map pool that blatantly favors one race over the others? God damn.


so respectfull towards those who put away countless hours to provide something amazing for absolutely no cost only to get insulted.

hope you guys will have fun on blizz maps.

I do agree. And if you want to laugh a bit, look at Foxtrot's stats, then at Frost's, and then read the best map section again.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 20:24:34
January 31 2015 20:23 GMT
#158
apart from the best eu tournament/final of the year mainly, i agree with pretty much everything

props to the TL crew to have put soO as the zerg of the year because usually always the 3-4 last months count in people's mind and life would have been picked

zest as the player of the year was the easiest pick indeed, no contestation possible

and obivously, nice article and nice presentation, the reading was great
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 20:23 GMT
#159
On February 01 2015 05:08 Meavis wrote:
Show nested quote +
Fuck Yeonsu, Fuck Alterzim, Fuck Daedalus, Fuck Heavy Rain, Fuck Polar Night, Fuck Catallena, Fuck Nimbus, Fuck Waystation, Fuck Deadwing, Fuck Foxtrot, Fuck Merry Go Round.

Can we not have a map pool that blatantly favors one race over the others? God damn.


so respectfull towards those who put away countless hours to provide something amazing for absolutely no cost only to get insulted.

hope you guys will have fun on blizz maps.

Also some maps in that list are/were far from being awful. Still laughing at the "Yeonsu was the reason for Blink dominance" thesis (the map was only broken in ZvX).
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44053 Posts
January 31 2015 20:23 GMT
#160
Best Foreign Terran: TL
Best Korean Terran: TL
Best Foreign Zerg: TL
International Player of the Year: TL
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
January 31 2015 20:23 GMT
#161
I am a bit surprised aswell that King Sejong Station and Overgrowth weren't at least mentioned. I think those two maps are some of the best maps in sc2 history.
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2710 Posts
January 31 2015 20:26 GMT
#162
On February 01 2015 04:30 HolydaKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 04:23 KalWarkov wrote:
Taeja best terran?

Life not zerg runner up?

Sen 2nd best foreiner?

Jim best Protoss foreigner?

"okay"

Taeja had the best results of terrans in 2014 imo, so yeah even tho I don't like him it's OK for him to be #1.

Life should be runner up I agree.

Sen 2nd best foreigner is OK for me since there weren't any noticeable ones except Snute. Well, maybe Bunny or Scarlett, but not really...

Jim best foreign Protoss I got no clue, there aren't any I would definietly choose, so I'm fine with it. No really good foreign Protoss 2014 IMO.

Jim's accomplishments are a bit more hidden. In 2014, aside from his run at IEM Shenzhen and winning four major tournaments in China, Jim also made impressive runs in Leifeng Cups, beating Koreans like Center, Supernova, Creator, eMotion, Losira, Cure, Myungsik, Terror, Impact, Ragnarok, Hurricane, Ruin, Seed, Revival Guilty.
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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
January 31 2015 20:27 GMT
#163
Wow that Best Map section is bitter as fuck. Frost was a fine map but it seriously was not that amazing. Did the writer just forget that Blink PvT was just as bullshit on that map as Yeonsu or Heavy Rain? It only looked good because most of the other maps were even worse and people got sick of blink maps, and are now sick of small drop-heavy maps.

I personally would have given it to Habitation Station for its unique layout leading to unique, interesting strategies. Also, with either Habitation Station or still Frost as #1, King Sejong Station would have been a fine runner up, that's quite a good map too, balanced, nice layout with a few unique touches, and pretty much always has solid games played on it.
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Adept
Profile Joined December 2009
United States472 Posts
January 31 2015 20:32 GMT
#164
And yeah the map thing really did seem kinda overkill. I'm really surprised it wasn't Overgrowth with how that was in basically every series for so much of the year.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 20:49:48
January 31 2015 20:36 GMT
#165
I mean, I think Frost is competing with Whirlwind for best map we've had yet.

But it already won last year. Maybe if we had a profoundly bad new generation of maps I could see it.

Sejong was perfectly stable for all races. As was Overgrowth.

Habitation Station was tough for Terran, but should at least get a shoutout for having the balls to bring gold bases back. It also provided a lot of fresh games for the scene. Like this gem:

+ Show Spoiler +


edit: actually disregard this. Whirlwind won last year, not Frost derf <_>

okay, so this pick does make sense. Still should have a runner-up though.
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
January 31 2015 20:37 GMT
#166
On February 01 2015 05:26 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 04:30 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 01 2015 04:23 KalWarkov wrote:
Taeja best terran?

Life not zerg runner up?

Sen 2nd best foreiner?

Jim best Protoss foreigner?

"okay"

Taeja had the best results of terrans in 2014 imo, so yeah even tho I don't like him it's OK for him to be #1.

Life should be runner up I agree.

Sen 2nd best foreigner is OK for me since there weren't any noticeable ones except Snute. Well, maybe Bunny or Scarlett, but not really...

Jim best foreign Protoss I got no clue, there aren't any I would definietly choose, so I'm fine with it. No really good foreign Protoss 2014 IMO.

Jim's accomplishments are a bit more hidden. In 2014, aside from his run at IEM Shenzhen and winning four major tournaments in China, Jim also made impressive runs in Leifeng Cups, beating Koreans like Center, Supernova, Creator, eMotion, Losira, Cure, Myungsik, Terror, Impact, Ragnarok, Hurricane, Ruin, Seed, Revival Guilty.

Oh yeah didn't really check the (lack of Welmu's) minor tournaments. There's enough good Koreans in that list to make me realize my silly Finnish bias.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2015 20:44 GMT
#167
On February 01 2015 05:36 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
I mean, I think Frost is competing with Whirlwind for best map we've had yet.

But it already won last year. Maybe if we had a profoundly bad new generation of maps I could see it.

Sejong was perfectly stable for all races. As was Overgrowth.

Habitation Station was tough for Terran, but should at least get a shoutout for having the balls to bring gold bases back. It also provided a lot of fresh games for the scene. Like this gem:

+ Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yWV-YYKwTE&index=153


Also, Foxtrot and Merry-go-round both have stats worthy of solid, stable maps like KSS or Overgrowth.
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 31 2015 20:45 GMT
#168
Surprised Taeja wasn't awarded best Protoss
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 20:45 GMT
#169
On February 01 2015 05:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Surprised Taeja wasn't awarded best Protoss

Hahahaha
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2710 Posts
January 31 2015 20:46 GMT
#170
On February 01 2015 05:37 D-light wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 05:26 argonautdice wrote:
On February 01 2015 04:30 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 01 2015 04:23 KalWarkov wrote:
Taeja best terran?

Life not zerg runner up?

Sen 2nd best foreiner?

Jim best Protoss foreigner?

"okay"

Taeja had the best results of terrans in 2014 imo, so yeah even tho I don't like him it's OK for him to be #1.

Life should be runner up I agree.

Sen 2nd best foreigner is OK for me since there weren't any noticeable ones except Snute. Well, maybe Bunny or Scarlett, but not really...

Jim best foreign Protoss I got no clue, there aren't any I would definietly choose, so I'm fine with it. No really good foreign Protoss 2014 IMO.

Jim's accomplishments are a bit more hidden. In 2014, aside from his run at IEM Shenzhen and winning four major tournaments in China, Jim also made impressive runs in Leifeng Cups, beating Koreans like Center, Supernova, Creator, eMotion, Losira, Cure, Myungsik, Terror, Impact, Ragnarok, Hurricane, Ruin, Seed, Revival Guilty.

Oh yeah didn't really check the (lack of Welmu's) minor tournaments. There's enough good Koreans in that list to make me realize my silly Finnish bias.

Personally I think Welmu would've had a more bright 2014 if it weren't for his medical condition, and a lot of the players he beat were more high tier like YoDa, RorO, MMA, MC, HyuN, etc, so it was a close call.
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argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2710 Posts
January 31 2015 20:47 GMT
#171
On February 01 2015 05:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Surprised Taeja wasn't awarded best Protoss

You mean Scarlett's 100% win rate as Protoss.
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Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
January 31 2015 20:47 GMT
#172
So Life came not even close? Fucking ridiculous.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 31 2015 20:47 GMT
#173
On February 01 2015 05:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Surprised Taeja wasn't awarded best Protoss

Omg xD
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 31 2015 20:47 GMT
#174
The amount of TL players winning feels excessive, but I love these awards and wouldn't have it any other way!
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
January 31 2015 20:48 GMT
#175
On February 01 2015 05:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Surprised Taeja wasn't awarded best Protoss

haha it begins
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SackOfWetMice
Profile Joined October 2014
United States288 Posts
January 31 2015 20:48 GMT
#176
On February 01 2015 05:16 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 05:09 SackOfWetMice wrote:
While I agree with the choice, I'm confused about that last '1-0 Rain'

Rain proxy gated but Zest scouted it. Rain blamed the soundproofing and forfeited the series

Missing the joke here :\ (I know you're referencing Naniwa, but I don't get the joke )

According to liquipedia, Rain did beat Zest in their PvP in the Proleague finals. So that last should be Zest 0-1 to Rain, right?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 31 2015 20:49 GMT
#177
On February 01 2015 05:47 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 05:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Surprised Taeja wasn't awarded best Protoss

You mean Scarlett's 100% win rate as Protoss.

She used it in some qualifier too and got a map taken off her. Taeja has never lost with Protoss. GG
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Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
January 31 2015 20:51 GMT
#178
Under Biggest News Announcement it says "The that the game was announced"

Bomber | CJ herO | Snute
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
January 31 2015 20:51 GMT
#179
I disagree with certain parts, highly agree with others, as is to be expected. Entire article was very well-written and designed, and I enjoyed the experience of naming my winner before clicking yours, then reading your reasoning.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 20:52 GMT
#180
On February 01 2015 05:48 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 05:16 TheDwf wrote:
On February 01 2015 05:09 SackOfWetMice wrote:
While I agree with the choice, I'm confused about that last '1-0 Rain'

Rain proxy gated but Zest scouted it. Rain blamed the soundproofing and forfeited the series

Missing the joke here :\ (I know you're referencing Naniwa, but I don't get the joke )

According to liquipedia, Rain did beat Zest in their PvP in the Proleague finals. So that last should be Zest 0-1 to Rain, right?

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Proleague/Round_1

The 1-0 refers to this
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 31 2015 20:52 GMT
#181
On February 01 2015 05:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Surprised Taeja wasn't awarded best Protoss

We were considering giving Scarlett best international Protoss but we decided that a 100% win rate against Zerg offline didn't mean anything.
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
January 31 2015 21:00 GMT
#182
On February 01 2015 05:46 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 05:37 D-light wrote:
On February 01 2015 05:26 argonautdice wrote:
On February 01 2015 04:30 HolydaKing wrote:
On February 01 2015 04:23 KalWarkov wrote:
Taeja best terran?

Life not zerg runner up?

Sen 2nd best foreiner?

Jim best Protoss foreigner?

"okay"

Taeja had the best results of terrans in 2014 imo, so yeah even tho I don't like him it's OK for him to be #1.

Life should be runner up I agree.

Sen 2nd best foreigner is OK for me since there weren't any noticeable ones except Snute. Well, maybe Bunny or Scarlett, but not really...

Jim best foreign Protoss I got no clue, there aren't any I would definietly choose, so I'm fine with it. No really good foreign Protoss 2014 IMO.

Jim's accomplishments are a bit more hidden. In 2014, aside from his run at IEM Shenzhen and winning four major tournaments in China, Jim also made impressive runs in Leifeng Cups, beating Koreans like Center, Supernova, Creator, eMotion, Losira, Cure, Myungsik, Terror, Impact, Ragnarok, Hurricane, Ruin, Seed, Revival Guilty.

Oh yeah didn't really check the (lack of Welmu's) minor tournaments. There's enough good Koreans in that list to make me realize my silly Finnish bias.

Personally I think Welmu would've had a more bright 2014 if it weren't for his medical condition, and a lot of the players he beat were more high tier like YoDa, RorO, MMA, MC, HyuN, etc, so it was a close call.

A lot of things would probably be quite a bit different without all that hassle.

Consistency was awarded here and Jim had more places to show it. Unfortunately there are no sympathy-points awarded in Starcraft2 in general.
why even
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 31 2015 21:00 GMT
#183
Awesome awards as always, all your choices seem pretty spot on! :D
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 31 2015 21:01 GMT
#184
On February 01 2015 05:48 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 05:16 TheDwf wrote:
On February 01 2015 05:09 SackOfWetMice wrote:
While I agree with the choice, I'm confused about that last '1-0 Rain'

Rain proxy gated but Zest scouted it. Rain blamed the soundproofing and forfeited the series

Missing the joke here :\ (I know you're referencing Naniwa, but I don't get the joke )

According to liquipedia, Rain did beat Zest in their PvP in the Proleague finals. So that last should be Zest 0-1 to Rain, right?


I think I saw the mistake, its a double 0-1 0-1 in PL. I must have glanced over it. Updated those stats.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 21:05:58
January 31 2015 21:02 GMT
#185
On February 01 2015 05:47 Torte de Lini wrote:
The amount of TL players winning feels excessive, but I love these awards and wouldn't have it any other way!


Reddit says the same thing and I don't get it.

Taeja has always been controversial when it comes to rating him. For some gsl = everything.

Snute and Bunny though? Those two seemed pretty clear cut to me. I was under the impression that Snute was widely considered the best foreigner and Bunny the best foreign Terran.

HerO vs Polt was also an incredible final.
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
January 31 2015 21:06 GMT
#186
Snute is easily the best foreign Zerg and best foreign player of 2014, and Bunny is easily the best foreign Terran (I think Major should've been another runner-up, though.) No bias, just fact.
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ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 21:11:30
January 31 2015 21:07 GMT
#187
On February 01 2015 03:59 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I have a really hard time with Taeja as the best Korean Terran, Honestly I would favor Bomber, MMA (maybe), and perhaps innovation over Taeja. Much of Taeja's success is against inferior competition.

Innovation won a gsl. (That in itself is far more difficult than winning the tournaments that taeja won)

MMA 2nd at blizzcon

Bomber won the RBBG in very impressive fashion, defeating several solid Kespa players, including cure. Who at the time was in the semi-finals of the GSL who went on to lost to Innovation 4-3.

Taeja's run at Blizzcon was far harder than MMA's. He also came much closer to beating Life. If MMA was in the lower bracket I doubt he would even reach ro4.
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DERASTAT
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany99 Posts
January 31 2015 21:24 GMT
#188
I am totally Agree, good to put SoO and Zest up there,because most players forget them because both of them had a downn.


as Protoss Zest is my Guy and as Zerg soO!!
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
January 31 2015 21:27 GMT
#189
So, as Protoss haters constantly pointed out last year, Taeja's Dreamhack and Homestory Cup runs didn't have a single Code S player in them. His IEM Shenzen run was fantastic, as was his Blizzcon run even though he didn't win. Overall I can agree with giving Taeja best Terran, but I think it should have been more half-hearted, there were no consistently great terrans in 2014.

I also think that leaving Flash off the runner-ups is likely due to his 2015 performance. In 2014 he had a better proleague record than Zest, won a very stacked tournament and got 2nd in another, and went 6-1 against the "top terran". He deserves to be mentioned alongside Innovation and Bomber.
will216
Profile Joined August 2012
United States185 Posts
January 31 2015 21:31 GMT
#190
Best Korean Zerg,sOO? Life won Blizzcon
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Meavis
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Netherlands1300 Posts
January 31 2015 21:32 GMT
#191
The only good reason I see for handing TaeJa best korean terran would be his blizzcon performance, but if that was the great contributor, where's life?

if consistency was the reason like for soo, surely innovation would be a better candidate than taeja, he may have stomped tournaments outside of korea, but you can hardly compare that to consistant performance in korea.
"Not you."
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 31 2015 21:36 GMT
#192
On February 01 2015 06:31 will216 wrote:
Best Korean Zerg,sOO? Life won Blizzcon

4 consecutive GSL finals is far more impressive, even if he won none of them.
Flash | Mvp
christophequirion
Profile Joined October 2009
France82 Posts
January 31 2015 21:38 GMT
#193
I guess the cash price collected by these players in 2014 could be mentionned. Not everything, but at least an objective data.
will216
Profile Joined August 2012
United States185 Posts
January 31 2015 21:39 GMT
#194
On February 01 2015 06:36 Ctesias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 06:31 will216 wrote:
Best Korean Zerg,sOO? Life won Blizzcon

4 consecutive GSL finals is far more impressive, even if he won none of them.

But not even a honorable mention? Come Team Liquid, really ? And I'm not even going to talk about best korean Terran...
I'm not the greatest , but I will be one day ...
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 31 2015 21:39 GMT
#195
On February 01 2015 06:38 christophequirion wrote:
I guess the cash price collected by these players in 2014 could be mentionned. Not everything, but at least an objective data.

But the thread would never get 10+ pages of replies if we only went by objective standards.
Flash | Mvp
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 21:42 GMT
#196
On February 01 2015 06:38 christophequirion wrote:
I guess the cash price collected by these players in 2014 could be mentionned. Not everything, but at least an objective data.

IEM World Championship begs to differ
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 31 2015 21:44 GMT
#197
On February 01 2015 06:39 will216 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 06:36 Ctesias wrote:
On February 01 2015 06:31 will216 wrote:
Best Korean Zerg,sOO? Life won Blizzcon

4 consecutive GSL finals is far more impressive, even if he won none of them.

But not even a honorable mention? Come Team Liquid, really ? And I'm not even going to talk about best korean Terran...

Life should definitely have been honorably mentioned. So much, in fact, I believe it was a typo to leave him out.
Flash | Mvp
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 31 2015 21:45 GMT
#198
On February 01 2015 06:44 Ctesias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 06:39 will216 wrote:
On February 01 2015 06:36 Ctesias wrote:
On February 01 2015 06:31 will216 wrote:
Best Korean Zerg,sOO? Life won Blizzcon

4 consecutive GSL finals is far more impressive, even if he won none of them.

But not even a honorable mention? Come Team Liquid, really ? And I'm not even going to talk about best korean Terran...

Life should definitely have been honorably mentioned. So much, in fact, I believe it was a typo to leave him out.

Zealously was gagged
#freeZealously
Emerson_H
Profile Joined March 2014
United States460 Posts
January 31 2015 21:57 GMT
#199
Life not even 'close' as the runner up best zerg? Travesty.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
January 31 2015 22:04 GMT
#200
lol nice work

Pretty sure Harvey Dent didn't say that though
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 31 2015 22:06 GMT
#201
ok am I missing some joke with Taeja being #1 protoss? I know he has sick off-races but haven't seen him use them outside of his stream...
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 31 2015 22:34 GMT
#202
On February 01 2015 07:06 Ej_ wrote:
ok am I missing some joke with Taeja being #1 protoss? I know he has sick off-races but haven't seen him use them outside of his stream...

i think tb is poking fun at the "liquid bias" of making Taeja the best terran this year again.
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hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
January 31 2015 22:42 GMT
#203
TaeJa as the best Terran and not Maru, who crushed Protosses with his aggressive bio play?

I'm really confused...
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PinheadXXXXXX
Profile Joined February 2012
United States897 Posts
January 31 2015 22:46 GMT
#204
On February 01 2015 07:42 hansonslee wrote:
TaeJa as the best Terran and not Maru, who crushed Protosses with his aggressive bio play?

I'm really confused...

Maru never was able to beat the very top Code S players outside of Proleague, especially in the early parts of the year, while Taeja did, albeit in weekend tournaments.
Taeja the one true Byunjwa~
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
January 31 2015 22:47 GMT
#205
Only thing I care about is Proleague winning the best tournament. Because it fucking is.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 31 2015 22:51 GMT
#206
Maru > other terrans
maru lover forever
Chiyosuke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States51 Posts
January 31 2015 23:15 GMT
#207
Great stuff. I loved this year a lot Thanks for the write up.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 23:18:12
January 31 2015 23:17 GMT
#208
On February 01 2015 07:46 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 07:42 hansonslee wrote:
TaeJa as the best Terran and not Maru, who crushed Protosses with his aggressive bio play?

I'm really confused...

Maru never was able to beat the very top Code S players outside of Proleague, especially in the early parts of the year, while Taeja did, albeit in weekend tournaments.


Maru beat top code S players it's just that he never went all the way and he strangely did worse in the period where Terran started to do well again in the latter half of 2014.

Taeja's results, while less prestigious individually, were numerous. He actually DID go all the way several times. Perhaps Maru could've done the same if he had the same opportunities, perhaps not. Fact is though, Taeja won stuff in 2014 Maru didn't.
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Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
January 31 2015 23:19 GMT
#209
On February 01 2015 05:47 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 05:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Surprised Taeja wasn't awarded best Protoss

You mean Scarlett's 100% win rate as Protoss.


I'm sure even I could be Scarlett's protoss 20% of the time. ;p
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 31 2015 23:27 GMT
#210
On February 01 2015 08:19 Yonnua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 05:47 argonautdice wrote:
On February 01 2015 05:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Surprised Taeja wasn't awarded best Protoss

You mean Scarlett's 100% win rate as Protoss.


I'm sure even I could be Scarlett's protoss 20% of the time. ;p

only if she goes mothership rush vs four gate
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Hydro033
Profile Joined July 2012
United States136 Posts
January 31 2015 23:30 GMT
#211
Will the best games always be Korean TvT?
#Wet4Ret
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 31 2015 23:38 GMT
#212
On February 01 2015 08:27 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 08:19 Yonnua wrote:
On February 01 2015 05:47 argonautdice wrote:
On February 01 2015 05:45 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Surprised Taeja wasn't awarded best Protoss

You mean Scarlett's 100% win rate as Protoss.


I'm sure even I could be Scarlett's protoss 20% of the time. ;p

only if she goes mothership rush vs four gate

Hey, mothership rush is a legit build.

(in WoL TT)
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radagastthe3rd
Profile Joined December 2014
United States12 Posts
January 31 2015 23:40 GMT
#213
the feels
boab
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom23 Posts
January 31 2015 23:41 GMT
#214
Not even a mention of maru? do the writer's actually watch sc2 in korea?
Purdnstein
Profile Joined December 2013
United States12 Posts
January 31 2015 23:44 GMT
#215
Thanks to all the TL writers to give all of us raging nerds something to be passionate about. Whether you love or hate any of the choices, we're all here shouting about how great this game and the people who play it are. Keep it up guys!
ken 2014- "asians can grow beards unless your old"
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
January 31 2015 23:58 GMT
#216
On February 01 2015 08:41 boab wrote:
Not even a mention of maru? do the writer's actually watch sc2 in korea?

I don't know who Maru is but if he's not Life I probably didnt watch him play
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
February 01 2015 00:06 GMT
#217
Taeja best KR Terran lol.

Also soO >Life is completely correct.
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
February 01 2015 00:10 GMT
#218
On February 01 2015 07:46 PinheadXXXXXX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 07:42 hansonslee wrote:
TaeJa as the best Terran and not Maru, who crushed Protosses with his aggressive bio play?

I'm really confused...

Maru never was able to beat the very top Code S players outside of Proleague, especially in the early parts of the year, while Taeja did, albeit in weekend tournaments.


This confuses me. In the first half of the year, the only players Maru lost to in Code S were Life (in a wonky series) and Classic (twice). While TaeJa did beat Life at IEM, he's never even Classic, much less beat him. Outside of Code S/PL, Maru also lost to Dark, herO, Curious, Cure, ParalyzE, San and soO over the first half of the year. Alright. Let's see how TaeJa did against them. Over the same time period (first 6 months of 2014), TaeJa played one person from that list - San, who he lost to 0-2 in ATC. Okay. Well, maybe you were talking about other Code S players. Let's look at TaeJa's record vs players who made at least Ro16 Code S (in either of the seasons) in the first 6 months.

2-3 vs Dear (ASUS ROG)
4-1 vs Squirtle (King of the Iron)
3-1 vs Life (IEM WC)
1-3 vs sOs (IEM WC)
0-1 vs Dear (ATC)
2-1 vs INno (No Dice Gaming Invitational #4)
0-1 vs INno (ATC)

Total
3-4/12-11

Well, okay, that's respectable. Now, let's check Maru's results vs players who made at least Ro16 Code S over the same time - and since you discounted proleague, I will too.

0-2 Curious (IEM Cologne)
0-2 ParalyzE (IEM WC)
0-2 Classic (Code S)
2-1 Zest (Code S)
2-1 Dear (Code S)
2-1 Dark (Code S)
2-0 Stork (Code S)

Total
4-3/8-9

At the very worst, those are roughly equal. You might argue that Dark and maybe even Stork didn't represent the very top of Code S, but neither did ParalyzE, Curious or Squirtle. TaeJa's most impressive quality over the first 6 months was not his ability to beat the top tier of Code S players (as he only beat Life and went even with INno - who wasn't even that top tier at the time) but rather his ability to remain consistent against everyone else. It was Maru who was the terran beating top tiers during the first 6 months (and Polt as well), not TaeJa. TaeJa's on this list primarily because of his consistency against other players and because he proved against Zest at IEM Toronto & Shenzhen plus against soO/INno at Blizzcon that he's capable of going toe to toe with big champions and coming out successful. Maru's late year slump (relative slump - he wasn't awful or anything) combined with INno's early year slump, the fact that Polt didn't do much of note for the latter parts of the year and Bomber didn't do much of note for the early parts of the year make TaeJa the best korean terran of the year. He was the only terran who had great results in the first half and cemented those results with an even better second half.




Writermaru pls
fenner
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United Kingdom163 Posts
February 01 2015 00:17 GMT
#219
Best Zerg player = SoO... No close runner up? Did you guys notice the fact that Life was the best player in the world in 2014
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 01 2015 00:27 GMT
#220
These are comedy gold, Ty tl !!!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 00:34:36
February 01 2015 00:33 GMT
#221
Incredible. I can't believe this was all this year. The Starcraft world really moves at such a fast pace.
fusefuse
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Estonia4644 Posts
February 01 2015 01:13 GMT
#222
On February 01 2015 01:44 Ghanburighan wrote:
Taeja hasn't achieved anything in Korea for years while Innovation is a GSL champion. TeamLiquid awards indeed.

classic bias caller found
thx for ur contribution
Liquipedia@jkursk
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
February 01 2015 01:22 GMT
#223
Life wasn't even close to soO? Really?
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28084 Posts
February 01 2015 07:46 GMT
#224
On February 01 2015 10:13 fusefuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:44 Ghanburighan wrote:
Taeja hasn't achieved anything in Korea for years while Innovation is a GSL champion. TeamLiquid awards indeed.

classic bias caller found
thx for ur contribution

You tell em fuse.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
February 01 2015 08:11 GMT
#225
On February 01 2015 09:27 iNcontroL wrote:
These are comedy gold, Ty tl !!!


im sure those were supposed to be written for esports express
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Emerson_H
Profile Joined March 2014
United States460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 09:15:29
February 01 2015 09:01 GMT
#226
In light of recent events, I think TL writers need to reevaluate a certain decision.

Life's back in action, boys!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 01 2015 09:04 GMT
#227
On February 01 2015 18:01 Emerson_H wrote:
In light of recent events, I think TL writers need to reevaluate a certain decision.

Life's back in action, boys!

Life was the best zerg at the end of the year. soO was the best zerg for the year overall
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Emerson_H
Profile Joined March 2014
United States460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 09:15:44
February 01 2015 09:10 GMT
#228
On February 01 2015 18:04 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 18:01 Emerson_H wrote:
In light of recent events, I think TL writers need to reevaluate a certain decision.

Life's back in action, boys!

Life was the best zerg at the end of the year. soO was the best zerg for the year overall

Yeah, but not even close? Puh-lease!!

Life's reaction to this thread
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munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
February 01 2015 09:25 GMT
#229
On February 01 2015 18:01 Emerson_H wrote:
In light of recent events, I think TL writers need to reevaluate a certain decision.

Life's back in action, boys!


TIL we're still in 2014
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 01 2015 09:44 GMT
#230
On February 01 2015 10:13 fusefuse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:44 Ghanburighan wrote:
Taeja hasn't achieved anything in Korea for years while Innovation is a GSL champion. TeamLiquid awards indeed.

classic bias caller found
thx for ur contribution


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Calarague
Profile Joined November 2013
France33 Posts
February 01 2015 10:14 GMT
#231
World Champion nowhere to be seen ? Tut tut...
**** MKP TLO ♥
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
February 01 2015 10:55 GMT
#232
On February 01 2015 19:14 Calarague wrote:
World Champion nowhere to be seen ? Tut tut...

Zest got plenty of awards imo
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 12:53:19
February 01 2015 12:49 GMT
#233
Literally one terran was relevant during the great Terran drought and that was Maru, kid doesn't even get a mention. Taeja is good yes but outside of Korea only. He got creamed in the GSL..

I don't see why one would discount proleague either, since Maru was also doing well there.

Bashing people in foreigner tournaments is easier than maintaining oneself in the brutal region which is Korea.
maru lover forever
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
February 01 2015 13:05 GMT
#234
On February 01 2015 21:49 Incognoto wrote:
Literally one terran was relevant during the great Terran drought and that was Maru

In Green Wings? I agree.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 01 2015 13:10 GMT
#235
On February 01 2015 22:05 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 21:49 Incognoto wrote:
Literally one terran was relevant during the great Terran drought and that was Maru

In Green Wings? I agree.

Err no, in the whole Terrandom. Are you forgetting already that he made the playoffs of GSL twice in a row while Terrans were getting wrecked left and right and the LRs were full of "If I could play like Maru the game would be balanced"?
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elwoodng
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore438 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 13:15:18
February 01 2015 13:14 GMT
#236
Don't know if it's been said, but MMA should at least be mentioned for the best Korean Terran. I mean, off the top of my head, winning WCS Europe S3, Dreamhack Moscow and top 2 Bizzcon.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 01 2015 13:16 GMT
#237
On February 01 2015 22:14 elwoodng wrote:
Don't know if it's been said, but MMA should at least be mentioned for the best Korean Terran. I mean, off the top of my head, winning WCS Europe S3, Dreamhack Moscow and top 2 Bizzcon.

Nah, among the Terrans he would be top6
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
February 01 2015 13:18 GMT
#238
On February 01 2015 22:05 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 21:49 Incognoto wrote:
Literally one terran was relevant during the great Terran drought and that was Maru

In Green Wings? I agree.


Cure was quite good, wasn't he?
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 01 2015 13:18 GMT
#239
On February 01 2015 22:18 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 22:05 rotta wrote:
On February 01 2015 21:49 Incognoto wrote:
Literally one terran was relevant during the great Terran drought and that was Maru

In Green Wings? I agree.


Cure was quite good, wasn't he?

Not in that period
elwoodng
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore438 Posts
February 01 2015 13:44 GMT
#240
On February 01 2015 22:16 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 22:14 elwoodng wrote:
Don't know if it's been said, but MMA should at least be mentioned for the best Korean Terran. I mean, off the top of my head, winning WCS Europe S3, Dreamhack Moscow and top 2 Bizzcon.

Nah, among the Terrans he would be top6

In terms of skill I might agree, but not like Innovation, who only looked truly great after switching back to a Kespa team and won 1 GSL near the end of the year, or someone like ForGG performed better in 2014.

I feel a mention is at least fair.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
February 01 2015 13:50 GMT
#241
On February 01 2015 22:10 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 22:05 rotta wrote:
On February 01 2015 21:49 Incognoto wrote:
Literally one terran was relevant during the great Terran drought and that was Maru

In Green Wings? I agree.

Err no, in the whole Terrandom. Are you forgetting already that he made the playoffs of GSL twice in a row while Terrans were getting wrecked left and right and the LRs were full of "If I could play like Maru the game would be balanced"?

You're right, but one premier SF finish all year isn't that hot when a certain Terran did that on three regions and then some. Maru isn't the only one neglected here is all I'm sayin'.
don't wall off against random
LSN
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany696 Posts
February 01 2015 15:18 GMT
#242
Life winning blizzcon and is missing there. He is even far away from being a runner up in the category of best zerg.
That is a bit weird. Some guys must be still angry that life abused bl/infestor back in the days.

In the terran department I don't really find a real reason for why taeja in 2014 should be above bomber and innovation.

Shrinkzxo
Profile Blog Joined August 2014
Dotoland672 Posts
February 01 2015 15:48 GMT
#243
Jim actually beat Welmu 2-0! At the Azerbaijan tournament whose name I don't recall.
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 15:59:54
February 01 2015 15:59 GMT
#244
On February 02 2015 00:48 Shrinkzxo wrote:
Jim actually beat Welmu 2-0! At the Azerbaijan tournament whose name I don't recall.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IeSF_2014_World_Championship

Welmu vs. Zest denied.
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Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 17:18:53
February 01 2015 17:17 GMT
#245
On February 02 2015 00:18 LSN wrote:
Life winning blizzcon and is missing there. He is even far away from being a runner up in the category of best zerg.
That is a bit weird. Some guys must be still angry that life abused bl/infestor back in the days.

In the terran department I don't really find a real reason for why taeja in 2014 should be above bomber and innovation.


He never really abused BL/Infestor as much as his fellow zergs
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-01 21:52:07
February 01 2015 21:49 GMT
#246
no liquid bias, just reality

also, life "not even close" to runner up to soo?

also the people who are complaining about taeja are just ridiculous. same shit, always.
the people you say should be over taeja were beaten by taeja in the tournaments he won
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 01 2015 23:22 GMT
#247
Protip, if your controversial gamble trying to push your own player into the limelight garners massive amounts of backlash from the community, you scale back and make amends. If you want to keep pushing, though, we can always take a closer look at Taeja.

First, the article is written in a way which hints at a large number of tournament wins and insane consistency throughout the year. But, in fact, Taeja won only 3 premier tournaments (and these were the cheapest 25k ones, only outmisered by the GSL global championships with 18k) between June 18th and July 20th (that's 42 days, or 7 weekends). There was no domination throughout the year, only runs of a few wins against Korean competition.

The article also completely dismisses team leagues which give Maru, Innovation and Flash a huge boost. Just because people seem to be less familiar with this compared to proleague, a quick refresher of Acer Teamleague:

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The crucial point is that not every Korean Terran spent their time flying to foreign tournaments, a lot of them actually spent their time fighting in proleague or emphasizing other team leagues. And these results show more about their quality as a Korean Terran than let's say Homestory cup.

Some people also believe that if you win against a player, you're automatically better than them. Well, then Flash, with his 6-1 record against Taeja in 2014, should definitely be best Korean Terran. I am not the best person to make the case for Flash, but a quick look at his match history in 2014, his 23-16 record in proleague together with a proleague championship, and his premier tournament win over Zest (Korean player of the year) put him into competition for best Korean Terran for certain.
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SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
February 02 2015 00:29 GMT
#248
I'm not having a go, but I have been following the scene since 2010 and neither player nor team ring a bell.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 02:20:08
February 02 2015 01:14 GMT
#249
ghanburighan if u can't actually say who should be the terran pick instead of taeja then your argument is absolutely worthless.

if you are suggesting it should be innovation then it should be a simple matter of comparing accomplishments for 2014. so then do that.

if your argument is "the tournaments innovation were in were harder", then you can't ignore the fact that taeja kept beating him in the tournaments where they played each other


basically you have no reasonable argument
DuduSC
Profile Joined May 2014
Afghanistan193 Posts
February 02 2015 01:24 GMT
#250
Don`t agree with Taeja either. Also no mention to life as runner up. There are other things I don't agree too.

Anyway it looks like the writer really overlooks the foreigner tournaments and didn't account how well some players did in proleague.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
February 02 2015 07:09 GMT
#251
On February 02 2015 10:14 travis wrote:
ghanburighan if u can't actually say who should be the terran pick instead of taeja then your argument is absolutely worthless.

if you are suggesting it should be innovation then it should be a simple matter of comparing accomplishments for 2014. so then do that.

if your argument is "the tournaments innovation were in were harder", then you can't ignore the fact that taeja kept beating him in the tournaments where they played each other


basically you have no reasonable argument


I very clearly said that Innovation deserves best Korean Terran, I also believe that any Korean player would agree on this. He's the GSL champion, he led his team at the time to Acer teamleague glory over Taeja's Liquid, and he was a threat all throughout the year, despite not winning small tournaments because he didn't attend many. Innovation played 300 games in 2014, Taeja 500. This only shows that Liquid money gives Taeja twice the chance to shine in a year. And still Taeja winning 3 of the smallest premier tournaments inside 42 days does not trump Innovation's achievement.

The fact that Flash and Maru are also arguably better than Taeja this year only makes his placement as first worse.

As for the, `but he beat Innovation in SOME of the tournaments they met', I already showed why that is a terrible argument by pointing out that Flash has a 6-1 record against Taeja, so Flash ought to be first then. It's even worse on the general level, as Soo has a terrible 0-4 record against Rogue, one of the best Zergs this year. Should Rogue be above Soo then? No, because he didn't have as big a general impact on the game. Innovation did, he spearheaded the Terran resurgence by taking GSL, and breaking Soo's soul.
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zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States251 Posts
February 02 2015 07:15 GMT
#252
Why not Bomber vs. Pigbaby finals?
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 08:03:27
February 02 2015 08:02 GMT
#253
On February 02 2015 16:09 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 10:14 travis wrote:
ghanburighan if u can't actually say who should be the terran pick instead of taeja then your argument is absolutely worthless.

if you are suggesting it should be innovation then it should be a simple matter of comparing accomplishments for 2014. so then do that.

if your argument is "the tournaments innovation were in were harder", then you can't ignore the fact that taeja kept beating him in the tournaments where they played each other


basically you have no reasonable argument


I very clearly said that Innovation deserves best Korean Terran, I also believe that any Korean player would agree on this. He's the GSL champion, he led his team at the time to Acer teamleague glory over Taeja's Liquid, and he was a threat all throughout the year, despite not winning small tournaments because he didn't attend many. Innovation played 300 games in 2014, Taeja 500. This only shows that Liquid money gives Taeja twice the chance to shine in a year. And still Taeja winning 3 of the smallest premier tournaments inside 42 days does not trump Innovation's achievement.


I'll agree the writers overrate Taeja a bit by implying that he was significantly better than other Terrans. It's really a tough race between Bogus and Taeja for the top spot in my mind. Maru, Flash, Bomber and Polt are in the next tier.

Though, I do think you're being a tad disingenuous in only looking at the events Taeja won, while also trying to use ATC (an online team league with mostly soft competition) as a significant result. Yeah, Bogus had an insane record of 38-8. Taeja's run at Blizzcon alone is arguably more impressive than that, even if he didn't win. He soundly defeated the most recent gsl finalists there and barely lost to the eventual champion (who's also from KR). His play there was probably the strongest I've seen from a Terran all year.

Also, yes Taeja has more opportunity than Bogus. Doesn't necessarily mean he'll continuously shine. There's more opportunity to fail as well. More opportunity for fickle TL to point and say, "aha! See! He's not that great". Like when Leenock eliminated him in the first round at TWOP. Solar had to have played in more shit than anyone in 2014. Sadly, he's somehow not remotely close to soO according to TL...
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-02 09:13:52
February 02 2015 09:13 GMT
#254
On February 02 2015 17:02 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2015 16:09 Ghanburighan wrote:
On February 02 2015 10:14 travis wrote:
ghanburighan if u can't actually say who should be the terran pick instead of taeja then your argument is absolutely worthless.

if you are suggesting it should be innovation then it should be a simple matter of comparing accomplishments for 2014. so then do that.

if your argument is "the tournaments innovation were in were harder", then you can't ignore the fact that taeja kept beating him in the tournaments where they played each other


basically you have no reasonable argument


I very clearly said that Innovation deserves best Korean Terran, I also believe that any Korean player would agree on this. He's the GSL champion, he led his team at the time to Acer teamleague glory over Taeja's Liquid, and he was a threat all throughout the year, despite not winning small tournaments because he didn't attend many. Innovation played 300 games in 2014, Taeja 500. This only shows that Liquid money gives Taeja twice the chance to shine in a year. And still Taeja winning 3 of the smallest premier tournaments inside 42 days does not trump Innovation's achievement.


I'll agree the writers overrate Taeja a bit by implying that he was significantly better than other Terrans. It's really a tough race between Bogus and Taeja for the top spot in my mind. Maru, Flash, Bomber and Polt are in the next tier.

Though, I do think you're being a tad disingenuous in only looking at the events Taeja won, while also trying to use ATC (an online team league with mostly soft competition) as a significant result. Yeah, Bogus had an insane record of 38-8. Taeja's run at Blizzcon alone is arguably more impressive than that, even if he didn't win. He soundly defeated the most recent gsl finalists there and barely lost to the eventual champion (who's also from KR). His play there was probably the strongest I've seen from a Terran all year.

Also, yes Taeja has more opportunity than Bogus. Doesn't necessarily mean he'll continuously shine. There's more opportunity to fail as well. More opportunity for fickle TL to point and say, "aha! See! He's not that great". Like when Leenock eliminated him in the first round at TWOP. Solar had to have played in more shit than anyone in 2014. Sadly, he's somehow not remotely close to soO according to TL...


Had the argumentation been in the vein you presented it, I wouldn't even mind. Regarding Blizzcon, though, I find that tournament overrated as anything. In the end, Taeja played 3 sets of bo3, ending with a 8-5 record. And Soo was clearly a broken man by that time, while Innovation also played uncharacteristically badly (perhaps taking down-time after the GSL victory).

One of the reasons I pointed at ATC is that Innovation clearly prioritized that tournament, and he beat Taeja consistenly in that competition. This is just to water down the whole head-to-head argument which I think is terrible anyway as sometimes players just have the other's number (Flash versus Taeja, Rogue versus Soo). I also wanted to point out that players emphasize different tournaments, and proleague should elevate Flash and Maru into the same category as Taeja and Innovation.

On the point of Solar, I find it interesting how similar he is to Taeja. Constantly dangerous but sometimes out of form. Attended a huge amount of tournaments and won 2 back-to-back cheap premier tournaments. Also got some high finishes, like the time when he lost to Taeja in some final.

Edit: typo.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 02 2015 09:20 GMT
#255
On February 02 2015 10:14 travis wrote:
if your argument is "the tournaments innovation were in were harder", then you can't ignore the fact that taeja kept beating him in the tournaments where they played each other

?? Their head-to-head for 2014 is 9-7 in TaeJa's favor, with the record being 6-6 prior to the Blizzcon match which was played in the conditions we know. So it's hardly a stomp, and thus it's largely irrelevant to decide between them. MMA beating Bomber 3-1 at Blizzcon doesn't mean MMA's year was better than Bomber's one.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
February 02 2015 10:14 GMT
#256
On February 02 2015 16:15 zelevin wrote:
Why not Bomber vs. Pigbaby finals?

Because Bomber lost kekek
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 02 2015 10:15 GMT
#257
Best Korean Terran is a joke, wtf, no Maru?
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5585 Posts
February 02 2015 10:33 GMT
#258
On February 02 2015 19:15 SC2Toastie wrote:
Best Korean Terran is a joke, wtf, no Maru?

Well, he's received royal roader and rookie awards after 3-4 years of playing so whatever.
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WetSocks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States953 Posts
February 03 2015 02:22 GMT
#259
Hyvaa Dent was totally right.
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
February 03 2015 07:24 GMT
#260
Agree with most of the awards, congrats to a fantastic year of sc2
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SAFenix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
February 03 2015 07:45 GMT
#261
Remember when TaeJa tried GSL this year?

Oh.

Lol.

Terminator top tier.

Totally kidding LOL. Sad that Rain could not win any tournaments in 2014. Hopefully he can have a good 2015 so he can be a candidate for Best Korean Protoss next year!
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Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
February 03 2015 14:37 GMT
#262
On February 01 2015 01:11 Zealously wrote:
In order to preserve my reputation I would like to make it clear that I strongly disagree with the picking of soO above Life for Best Korean Zerg. However, there seem to be people that hold the wrong opinions, so I was forced to concede!

In SPL I heard Koreans consider Dark to be "Best Zerg".
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Hadronsbecrazy
Profile Joined September 2013
United Kingdom551 Posts
February 03 2015 14:47 GMT
#263
cant believe Maru or Polt didnt even get a mention. they were the two terrans besides taeja who stood up to the protoss during the blink era.
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Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
February 03 2015 15:02 GMT
#264
On February 03 2015 23:47 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
cant believe Maru or Polt didnt even get a mention. they were the two terrans besides taeja who stood up to the protoss during the blink era.

Cause it's team liquid award.
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Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
February 03 2015 17:21 GMT
#265
I do think that Teaja should have been player of the year or Korean player of the year. The number of tournaments was throughout the year and higher, though maybe not quite higher quality, and I simply felt like Zest did not end the year nearly as strong as he started.
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
February 03 2015 18:10 GMT
#266
On February 03 2015 23:47 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
cant believe Maru or Polt didnt even get a mention. they were the two terrans besides taeja who stood up to the protoss during the blink era.


They did mention that Polt fought imbalance and nearly won.

I like Bomber for 2014 Korean T. He was incredible. But picking Taeja isn't as ridiculous as some posters are making it seem.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
February 03 2015 18:28 GMT
#267
On February 03 2015 23:37 Madars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:11 Zealously wrote:
In order to preserve my reputation I would like to make it clear that I strongly disagree with the picking of soO above Life for Best Korean Zerg. However, there seem to be people that hold the wrong opinions, so I was forced to concede!

In SPL I heard Koreans consider Dark to be "Best Zerg".

Of current times yes. Definitely not of 2014. A few FPL seasons ago he only cost 2 points.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-04 06:36:05
February 03 2015 18:54 GMT
#268
On February 03 2015 23:37 Madars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 01:11 Zealously wrote:
In order to preserve my reputation I would like to make it clear that I strongly disagree with the picking of soO above Life for Best Korean Zerg. However, there seem to be people that hold the wrong opinions, so I was forced to concede!

In SPL I heard Koreans consider Dark to be "Best Zerg".

Well no person with eyes can say that Dark's 2014 was better tha Life's
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
February 04 2015 05:51 GMT
#269
also KSS was WAY better than frost
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13969 Posts
February 04 2015 05:52 GMT
#270
On February 04 2015 03:54 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2015 23:37 Madars wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:11 Zealously wrote:
In order to preserve my reputation I would like to make it clear that I strongly disagree with the picking of soO above Life for Best Korean Zerg. However, there seem to be people that hold the wrong opinions, so I was forced to concede!

In SPL I heard Koreans consider Dark to be "Best Zerg".

Well no person with eyes can say that Dark's 2014 was bettet ha Life's

also im pretty sure during that 2013 OSL Korean Casters said that Fantasy was so unstoppable the only protoss who could stop him in GSL was Jangbi...suffice it to say i was confused
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SLCMemento
Profile Joined February 2013
13 Posts
February 07 2015 20:15 GMT
#271
Maru is soo overrated...see what I did there?

For all the Taeja haters out there, here is a list of the Korean players he beat to win only 2 of his 11 premier titles. Lets look at these 2 events:

1) IEM Shenzhen 2014:

MMA, Life, Zest (3-0!), Jaedong, Solar

2) DH Winter 2013:

Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Hero, MMA, Life, Life again!

Let's not forget his Blizzcon run this year either, defeating BOTH of the current GSL finalists (Innovation & soo) on his way to the semis!
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Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
February 11 2015 14:16 GMT
#272
On February 04 2015 03:54 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2015 23:37 Madars wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:11 Zealously wrote:
In order to preserve my reputation I would like to make it clear that I strongly disagree with the picking of soO above Life for Best Korean Zerg. However, there seem to be people that hold the wrong opinions, so I was forced to concede!

In SPL I heard Koreans consider Dark to be "Best Zerg".

Well no person with eyes can say that Dark's 2014 was better tha Life's

Innovation prefers to face Life instead Soulkey, I guess that says it all.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 11 2015 14:18 GMT
#273
On February 11 2015 23:16 Madars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2015 03:54 Zealously wrote:
On February 03 2015 23:37 Madars wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:11 Zealously wrote:
In order to preserve my reputation I would like to make it clear that I strongly disagree with the picking of soO above Life for Best Korean Zerg. However, there seem to be people that hold the wrong opinions, so I was forced to concede!

In SPL I heard Koreans consider Dark to be "Best Zerg".

Well no person with eyes can say that Dark's 2014 was better tha Life's

Innovation prefers to face Life instead Soulkey, I guess that says it all.

Except that he'll face the first place from group D, so more likely a P or Maru.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55476 Posts
February 11 2015 14:23 GMT
#274
On February 11 2015 23:18 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 23:16 Madars wrote:
On February 04 2015 03:54 Zealously wrote:
On February 03 2015 23:37 Madars wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:11 Zealously wrote:
In order to preserve my reputation I would like to make it clear that I strongly disagree with the picking of soO above Life for Best Korean Zerg. However, there seem to be people that hold the wrong opinions, so I was forced to concede!

In SPL I heard Koreans consider Dark to be "Best Zerg".

Well no person with eyes can say that Dark's 2014 was better tha Life's

Innovation prefers to face Life instead Soulkey, I guess that says it all.

Except that he'll face the first place from group D, so more likely a P or Maru.

No, he faces first place from group B, they just clarified this in the post series interview.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
February 11 2015 14:33 GMT
#275
On February 11 2015 23:23 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2015 23:18 OtherWorld wrote:
On February 11 2015 23:16 Madars wrote:
On February 04 2015 03:54 Zealously wrote:
On February 03 2015 23:37 Madars wrote:
On February 01 2015 01:11 Zealously wrote:
In order to preserve my reputation I would like to make it clear that I strongly disagree with the picking of soO above Life for Best Korean Zerg. However, there seem to be people that hold the wrong opinions, so I was forced to concede!

In SPL I heard Koreans consider Dark to be "Best Zerg".

Well no person with eyes can say that Dark's 2014 was better tha Life's

Innovation prefers to face Life instead Soulkey, I guess that says it all.

Except that he'll face the first place from group D, so more likely a P or Maru.

No, he faces first place from group B, they just clarified this in the post series interview.

Oh ok.
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