Broadcast days will be on Mondays and Tuesdays at 10:00 GMT (+00:00).
Prize Money
The prize money will be the same as 2014 as well:
Playoffs 1st: 50m Won or ~$47,000 2nd: 20m Won or ~$19,000
Round Playoffs: 1st: 15m Won or ~$14,000 2nd: 5m Won or ~$4,750
Total prize money: 161,000,000 won
Rosters
Sourcee have told us that they will release the final line ups soon. There is already a preliminary roster but chnages could occur. Should be announced soon.
Other news
KeSPA President Jeon Byong Heon has resigned as president and will serve as honorary chairman from now on. This is largely due to a new Korean law stating that Korean MPs cannot hold other positions while serving their term.
On December 16 2014 17:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Wait, Wolf says it starts later than last year at 7pm KST, but isn't that the same?
It started at 7pm KST but netizens and live viewers complained about the games finishing too late for them to catch public transit so it got moved to 6:30pm starting on week 2.
Edit: Actually maybe not, if KeSPA provided maps for the next season we could have really cool maps in ladder and SPL alike. Psione hinted at them being released later this week.
Only in Esports could a league say "Hey, you know that amazing thing we did all last year that you loved and was a huge success? We're doing the same thing again!" and have the community response be an upset and disappointed one.
On December 16 2014 17:22 Circumstance wrote: Only in Esports could a league say "Hey, you know that amazing thing we did all last year that you loved and was a huge success? We're doing the same thing again!" and have the community response be an upset and disappointed one.
Euh, there is always room for improvement and iirc even last year people were kinda diappointed that it's "only" bo5. Sure in the end it will be fun regardless, but still...
What does that even mean ? Does the round one start on the twelfth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
What does that even mean ? Does the round one start on the twelfth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
Haha, I feel you. The dates confuse me too and wtf Dead Pixels flair???? Since when?
None of this surprises me. It's Legend's first time on the big stage, Coach Park has a timeless reputation, and Prime still needs to sign another decent everything.
What does that even mean ? Does the round one start on the twelfth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
Says opening day is December 22nd just above that so:
What does that even mean ? Does these round one start on the twelveth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
Korean date format. It means it starts from Dec 22nd to Feb 3rd. And the playoffs from Feb 9th to 14th.
What does that even mean ? Does the round one start on the twelfth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
Woah woah a DP flair already? TL has been quicker than for JinAir. And yes dates are confusing d:
What does that even mean ? Does the round one start on the twelfth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
On December 16 2014 17:33 algue wrote: Americans and their dates...
Round 1: 12/2 - 2/3 | Playoffs 2/9 - 2/14
What does that even mean ? Does the round one start on the twelfth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
Not American. I followed the Korean date format.
Korean date format, american date format, normal date format (the good one) and liquipedia's reversed date format... When this evil end ?
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
Have to wait until all three regions are running I think
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
Have to wait until all three regions are running I think
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
On December 16 2014 17:33 algue wrote: Americans and their dates...
Round 1: 12/2 - 2/3 | Playoffs 2/9 - 2/14
What does that even mean ? Does the round one start on the twelfth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
Not American. I followed the Korean date format.
Korean date format, american date format, normal date format (the good one) and liquipedia's reversed date format... When this evil end ?
When my plans for world domination come to fruition and everyone has to do what I say
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
Life is 10x better than JD though :D
No
Says the guy with "JD is overrated" in his signature
On December 16 2014 17:33 algue wrote: Americans and their dates...
Round 1: 12/2 - 2/3 | Playoffs 2/9 - 2/14
What does that even mean ? Does the round one start on the twelfth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
Not American. I followed the Korean date format.
Korean date format, american date format, normal date format (the good one) and liquipedia's reversed date format... When this evil end ?
When my plans for world domination come to fruition and everyone has to do what I say
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
Life is 10x better than JD though :D
No
Says the guy with "JD is overrated" in his signature
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
On December 16 2014 17:33 algue wrote: Americans and their dates...
Round 1: 12/2 - 2/3 | Playoffs 2/9 - 2/14
What does that even mean ? Does the round one start on the twelfth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
Not American. I followed the Korean date format.
Korean date format, american date format, normal date format (the good one) and liquipedia's reversed date format... When this evil end ?
When my plans for world domination come to fruition and everyone has to do what I say
On December 16 2014 17:42 Zealously wrote: Bo7 would be cool in matches between the top teams, but I'm not sure people would be interested in watching the matches where both teams have to field a player below the level of the rest of the lineup. The 12-13 season wasn't great just because it had bo7, you know.
Yo, did WCS officialy start with the SSL and GSL qualifiers? As in, can I clean up my sig? :D
Life is 10x better than JD though :D
No
Says the guy with "JD is overrated" in his signature
On December 16 2014 17:33 algue wrote: Americans and their dates...
Round 1: 12/2 - 2/3 | Playoffs 2/9 - 2/14
What does that even mean ? Does the round one start on the twelfth day of february and end on the second day of march ? Does that mean that the play offs will take place on the second day of november and end on the second day of a new 14th month ? Or does that mean that the round 1 started in early december and I haven't been informed of it and will end in more than 3 months with the play offs happening before the round 1 has ended ?
Not American. I followed the Korean date format.
Korean date format, american date format, normal date format (the good one) and liquipedia's reversed date format... When this evil end ?
When my plans for world domination come to fruition and everyone has to do what I say
What's the banner in the ST logo? Is that "We have wildcards!" or "We're not KeSPA!" or something else?
Rumor has it the logo will be changed. I was also told after making that tweet that the official name is ST-YOE. We'll see how they brand themselves coming up I guess.
Only unexpected things I think are: - Journey joins Samsung - Aphrodite listed on MVP - new player Ssemi on ST/Yoe? - No ByuN (although not that unexpected)
On December 16 2014 18:30 OtherWorld wrote: No PenguiN? And come on CJ you won't cut it with only one Zerg :/ Ssemi must be the female player of ST. But who's Vanilla?
On December 16 2014 18:30 OtherWorld wrote: No PenguiN? And come on CJ you won't cut it with only one Zerg :/ Ssemi must be the female player of ST. But who's Vanilla?
Vanilla is probably the best taiwanese terran and is also super nice
On December 16 2014 18:30 OtherWorld wrote: No PenguiN? And come on CJ you won't cut it with only one Zerg :/ Ssemi must be the female player of ST. But who's Vanilla?
I'd be happy with a full protoss/terran lineup. Our zergs disappointed greatly last season
On December 16 2014 18:30 OtherWorld wrote: No PenguiN? And come on CJ you won't cut it with only one Zerg :/ Ssemi must be the female player of ST. But who's Vanilla?
I'd be happy with a full protoss/terran lineup. Our zergs disappointed greatly last season
EffOrt though. But yeah we lacked a Zerg who performed well the entire season. edit : wait, there aren't any new and crazy maps?
On December 16 2014 18:48 DarkLordOlli wrote: Was hoping for new maps
That sucks so bad. I thought SPL is the only league that is somewhat independent of ladder. Looks like thats not the case anymore Cant believe they are gonna play shit like Deadwing or Nimbus till March
On December 16 2014 18:30 OtherWorld wrote: No PenguiN? And come on CJ you won't cut it with only one Zerg :/ Ssemi must be the female player of ST. But who's Vanilla?
Time to rank rosters! 1. Jin Air 2. KT Rolster 3. SK Telecom 4. CJ Entus 5. MVP 6. Startale-Yoe 7. Samsung KHAN 8. Prime
Jin Air has the most well-rounded, top-tier player pool, making the definite first. KT Rolster will essentially never field a zerg, given that their 2P 2T mains are far superior, which is a pretty big loss. SKT has some real winners on it with Innovation, Dark, soO, Classic, with a couple solid others. CJ Entus is decent, but none of its players are in too great shape -- Skyhigh, herO, and Bbyong will have to carry hard. MVP is arguably better than CJ, however, the zergs will rarely get fielded, and Taeja might not participate too much. Startale should not be ignored, though, having Life, Curious, Bomber (player coach now?), and San all of which are great players. The last two have potentially strong players, but none have been too hot lately, and the rest of their lineups are lackluster.
Overall, most teams have a pretty set-in-stone 4 players they will choose from, and given the Bo5 format, it's quite likely we will never see many of the players on these rosters.
On December 16 2014 19:35 Blargh wrote: Time to rank rosters! 1. Jin Air 2. KT Rolster 3. SK Telecom 4. CJ Entus 5. MVP 6. Startale-Yoe 7. Samsung KHAN 8. Prime
Jin Air has the most well-rounded, top-tier player pool, making the definite first. KT Rolster will essentially never field a zerg, given that their 2P 2T mains are far superior, which is a pretty big loss. SKT has some real winners on it with Innovation, Dark, soO, Classic, with a couple solid others. CJ Entus is decent, but none of its players are in too great shape -- Skyhigh, herO, and Bbyong will have to carry hard. MVP is arguably better than CJ, however, the zergs will rarely get fielded, and Taeja might not participate too much. Startale should not be ignored, though, having Life, Curious, Bomber (player coach now?), and San all of which are great players. The last two have potentially strong players, but none have been too hot lately, and the rest of their lineups are lackluster.
Overall, most teams have a pretty set-in-stone 4 players they will choose from, and given the Bo5 format, it's quite likely we will never see many of the players on these rosters.
You know, the nice thing about a teamleague is that the non-top 4 players actually can get fielded. They don't have to be the overall best, they can prepare excellent builds and wreak havoc that way. You rarely see the same roster over and over and over except with SKT last season.
On December 16 2014 19:35 Blargh wrote: Time to rank rosters! 1. Jin Air 2. KT Rolster 3. SK Telecom 4. CJ Entus 5. MVP 6. Startale-Yoe 7. Samsung KHAN 8. Prime
Jin Air has the most well-rounded, top-tier player pool, making the definite first. KT Rolster will essentially never field a zerg, given that their 2P 2T mains are far superior, which is a pretty big loss. SKT has some real winners on it with Innovation, Dark, soO, Classic, with a couple solid others. CJ Entus is decent, but none of its players are in too great shape -- Skyhigh, herO, and Bbyong will have to carry hard. MVP is arguably better than CJ, however, the zergs will rarely get fielded, and Taeja might not participate too much. Startale should not be ignored, though, having Life, Curious, Bomber (player coach now?), and San all of which are great players. The last two have potentially strong players, but none have been too hot lately, and the rest of their lineups are lackluster.
Overall, most teams have a pretty set-in-stone 4 players they will choose from, and given the Bo5 format, it's quite likely we will never see many of the players on these rosters.
I say Jin Air, SKT1, CJ, KT, MVP, Samsung, STYOE and then Prime.
Possible outbrakes: MVP doing well and secures spots in the Play offs. KT securing Playoffs and then wins the whole thing again. SKT1 dominate but still not win.
Tier 1: ST.Yoe, KT Tier 2: SKT, MVP, JAGW Tier 3: Samsung, CJ Tier 4: Prime
ST.Yoe and KT have a number of solid semi-stars that can get work done. SKT is limited to innovation, soO, maybe dark. Nobody else has really been impressive, unfortunately. JAGW is gonna have a tough time unless Maru/Cure/Trap get back on form to help out sOs and Rogue. MVP has a couple strong players, but none have shown up as supreme ace level yet (maybe marineking or taeja). Samsung and CJ are limited by the number of players with results.
So many DP flairs already Also my power rank/predictions for the whole season : JAGW > KT > CJ > SKT > MVP > ST (would have placed them in the top 4 with PartinG and Bomber not being a player-coach, but without these two...) > Samsung > Prime
Only unexpected things I think are: - Journey joins Samsung - Aphrodite listed on MVP - new player Ssemi on ST/Yoe? - No ByuN (although not that unexpected)
B4 is not the Captain for Prime, Creator is. Atleast on the picture is Creator not BBoongBBoong...
Hmm, basically nothing "new" except for the map pool. Everything else like last season if I see it correctly. But I like that, as the last PL was already very good. Sure, Bo7 would have been cool but I guess it's not doable due to scheduling.
Did we ever know what happened to ByuN in the end?
Also, no PenguiN for SKT?
Also, terrible rankings yay:
1. Jin Air. They have top players that can definitely perform well (sOs, Maru) and then a deep roster of okayish to very good players (Rogue, Cure, Trap, Symbol, Terminator, Pigbaby), allowing for verstatility and impredictability. Not enough terrans though, so maybe a weakness here.
2. KT Rolster. The most solid team as they can field 4 players that showed they can take any team by themselves (Flash, Zest, Stats, TY), but beyond those 4, it's quite bleak... Maybe Action? So tough, but no depth. Should one fail to grab its game, this doesn't look good anymore I'd say.
3/4. CJ Entus. 3/4.SKT. Honestly I can't rank them. Both team have a well rounded ZPT trio backbone (Classic, Innovation, soO / herO, Bbyong, ByuL), though I'd rank SKT's a bit above CJ for that, but then I believe a bit more in CJ's bench (notably sKyHigh and Sora, which I believe will do wonder against Terrans, and there are many to snipe) than SKT's (with Dark being the most notable). It will be interesting to see those two clash though!
5. MVP Choya and his band. They have a decent quatuor in MarineKing (which is apparently back, at least in TvP), HerO (which showed recently he's still quite good, at least in PvP), Losira (which is also somewhat back on a good performance, as we saw at HSCX, with 4 - 0 in his group and then 3 - 0 TY!), and Taeja. On paper this could look good, but somewhat I feel this team can be too easily sniped, or just plain wrecked by a superior, well rounded roster. Beyond those four, we still have a few names though that could snipe, such as Panic or Yonghwa. But overall, not well rounded enough I'd say. But then, it's Choya, we'll have to see
6. Startale-YFW. Okay, they have a ridiculous roster.... but only San, Life and Bomber really stand out. Surprisingly, I think they'll be the ones to pull the most upsets (hello Has), but I can't see them getting consistent result throughout a season.
7. Samsung Khans. Honestly, there's no player that really stands out on Samsung that could really be a big threat. They'll win games, but not series. Dear has been a bit under the radar recently, and the games he played don't really hint at anything, he should be decent but not that much, Stork's recent results are somewhat awful, Hurricane's as well. That leaves them with Solar and pretty much nobody else I'd say.
8. PRIME. Sorry Prime, even though you _may_ have a decent trio in YoDa, Creator and BboongBboong, with maybe Myungsik to close out series, but I don't think that'll make the cut. Maybe a few surprise wins here and there against Startale-YFW or Khans, but you'll have to make big statements with this kind of roster to reconsider this ranking.
On December 16 2014 20:48 Ragnarork wrote: Did we ever know what happened to ByuN in the end?
Also, no PenguiN for SKT?
Also, terrible rankings yay:
1. Jin Air. They have top players that can definitely perform well (sOs, Maru) and then a deep roster of okayish to very good players (Rogue, Cure, Trap, Symbol, Terminator, Pigbaby), allowing for verstatility and impredictability. Not enough terrans though, so maybe a weakness here.
2. KT Rolster. The most solid team as they can field 4 players that showed they can take any team by themselves (Flash, Zest, Stats, TY), but beyond those 4, it's quite bleak... Maybe Action? So tough, but no depth. Should one fail to grab its game, this doesn't look good anymore I'd say.
3/4. CJ Entus. 3/4.SKT. Honestly I can't rank them. Both team have a well rounded ZPT trio backbone (Classic, Innovation, soO / herO, Bbyong, ByuL), though I'd rank SKT's a bit above CJ for that, but then I believe a bit more in CJ's bench (notably sKyHigh and Sora, which I believe will do wonder against Terrans, and there are many to snipe) than SKT's (with Dark being the most notable). It will be interesting to see those two clash though!
5. MVP Choya and his band. They have a decent quatuor in MarineKing (which is apparently back, at least in TvP), HerO (which showed recently he's still quite good, at least in PvP), Losira (which is also somewhat back on a good performance, as we saw at HSCX, with 4 - 0 in his group and then 3 - 0 TY!), and Taeja. On paper this could look good, but somewhat I feel this team can be too easily sniped, or just plain wrecked by a superior, well rounded roster. Beyond those four, we still have a few names though that could snipe, such as Panic or Yonghwa. But overall, not well rounded enough I'd say. But then, it's Choya, we'll have to see
6. Startale-YFW. Okay, they have a ridiculous roster.... but only San, Life and Bomber really stand out. Surprisingly, I think they'll be the ones to pull the most upsets (hello Has), but I can't see them getting consistent result throughout a season.
7. Samsung Khans. Honestly, there's no player that really stands out on Samsung that could really be a big threat. They'll win games, but not series. Dear has been a bit under the radar recently, and the games he played don't really hint at anything, he should be decent but not that much, Stork's recent results are somewhat awful, Hurricane's as well. That leaves them with Solar and pretty much nobody else I'd say.
8. PRIME. Sorry Prime, even though you _may_ have a decent trio in YoDa, Creator and BboongBboong, with maybe Myungsik to close out series, but I don't think that'll make the cut. Maybe a few surprise wins here and there against Startale-YFW or Khans, but you'll have to make big statements with this kind of roster to reconsider this ranking.
People who are putting KT in the top 4 are fooling themselves.
Zest is just another patchtoss who rode the golden era of PVP/the only true era of Protoss dominance to success...he has been practicing PvT with Flash and TY for ages and is still terrible at it. Looks like he's already complaining about Terran being OP (That's Rain's job ). Stats and Zest are going to get wrecked by the Terrans in SPL (And Zest can't seem to win a PvZ recently either). Flash and TY will get sniped in TvT.
1. MVP (Because Choya) 2. JAGW 3. SKT 4. ST-Yoe 5. CJ 6. Samsung Galaxy Khan 7. KT 8. Prime
On December 16 2014 22:02 SackOfWetMice wrote: People who are putting KT in the top 4 are fooling themselves.
Zest is just another patchtoss who rode the golden era of PVP/the only true era of Protoss dominance to success...he has been practicing PvT with Flash and TY for ages and is still terrible at it. Looks like he's already complaining about Terran being OP (That's Rain's job ). Stats and Zest are going to get wrecked by the Terrans in SPL (And Zest can't seem to win a PvZ recently either). Flash and TY will get sniped in TvT.
1. MVP (Because Choya) 2. JAGW 3. SKT 4. ST-Yoe 5. CJ 6. Samsung Galaxy Khan 7. KT 8. Prime
On December 16 2014 22:02 SackOfWetMice wrote: People who are putting KT in the top 4 are fooling themselves.
Zest is just another patchtoss who rode the golden era of PVP/the only true era of Protoss dominance to success...he has been practicing PvT with Flash and TY for ages and is still terrible at it. Looks like he's already complaining about Terran being OP (That's Rain's job ). Stats and Zest are going to get wrecked by the Terrans in SPL (And Zest can't seem to win a PvZ recently either). Flash and TY will get sniped in TvT.
1. MVP (Because Choya) 2. JAGW 3. SKT 4. ST-Yoe 5. CJ 6. Samsung Galaxy Khan 7. KT 8. Prime
On December 16 2014 22:02 SackOfWetMice wrote: People who are putting KT in the top 4 are fooling themselves.
Zest is just another patchtoss who rode the golden era of PVP/the only true era of Protoss dominance to success...he has been practicing PvT with Flash and TY for ages and is still terrible at it. Looks like he's already complaining about Terran being OP (That's Rain's job ). Stats and Zest are going to get wrecked by the Terrans in SPL (And Zest can't seem to win a PvZ recently either). Flash and TY will get sniped in TvT.
1. MVP (Because Choya) 2. JAGW 3. SKT 4. ST-Yoe 5. CJ 6. Samsung Galaxy Khan 7. KT 8. Prime
You almost baited me
Yeah, a bad bait would have been ranking Prime above KT.
On December 16 2014 22:02 SackOfWetMice wrote: People who are putting KT in the top 4 are fooling themselves.
Zest is just another patchtoss who rode the golden era of PVP/the only true era of Protoss dominance to success...he has been practicing PvT with Flash and TY for ages and is still terrible at it. Looks like he's already complaining about Terran being OP (That's Rain's job ). Stats and Zest are going to get wrecked by the Terrans in SPL (And Zest can't seem to win a PvZ recently either). Flash and TY will get sniped in TvT.
1. MVP (Because Choya) 2. JAGW 3. SKT 4. ST-Yoe 5. CJ 6. Samsung Galaxy Khan 7. KT 8. Prime
You almost baited me
Yeah, a bad bait would have been ranking Prime above KT.
On December 16 2014 22:02 SackOfWetMice wrote: People who are putting KT in the top 4 are fooling themselves.
Zest is just another patchtoss who rode the golden era of PVP/the only true era of Protoss dominance to success...he has been practicing PvT with Flash and TY for ages and is still terrible at it. Looks like he's already complaining about Terran being OP (That's Rain's job ). Stats and Zest are going to get wrecked by the Terrans in SPL (And Zest can't seem to win a PvZ recently either). Flash and TY will get sniped in TvT.
1. MVP (Because Choya) 2. JAGW 3. SKT 4. ST-Yoe 5. CJ 6. Samsung Galaxy Khan 7. KT 8. Prime
You almost baited me
Yeah, a bad bait would have been ranking Prime above KT.
On December 16 2014 20:48 Ragnarork wrote: Did we ever know what happened to ByuN in the end?
Also, no PenguiN for SKT?
Also, terrible rankings yay:
1. Jin Air. They have top players that can definitely perform well (sOs, Maru) and then a deep roster of okayish to very good players (Rogue, Cure, Trap, Symbol, Terminator, Pigbaby), allowing for verstatility and impredictability. Not enough terrans though, so maybe a weakness here.
2. KT Rolster. The most solid team as they can field 4 players that showed they can take any team by themselves (Flash, Zest, Stats, TY), but beyond those 4, it's quite bleak... Maybe Action? So tough, but no depth. Should one fail to grab its game, this doesn't look good anymore I'd say.
3/4. CJ Entus. 3/4.SKT. Honestly I can't rank them. Both team have a well rounded ZPT trio backbone (Classic, Innovation, soO / herO, Bbyong, ByuL), though I'd rank SKT's a bit above CJ for that, but then I believe a bit more in CJ's bench (notably sKyHigh and Sora, which I believe will do wonder against Terrans, and there are many to snipe) than SKT's (with Dark being the most notable). It will be interesting to see those two clash though!
5. MVP Choya and his band. They have a decent quatuor in MarineKing (which is apparently back, at least in TvP), HerO (which showed recently he's still quite good, at least in PvP), Losira (which is also somewhat back on a good performance, as we saw at HSCX, with 4 - 0 in his group and then 3 - 0 TY!), and Taeja. On paper this could look good, but somewhat I feel this team can be too easily sniped, or just plain wrecked by a superior, well rounded roster. Beyond those four, we still have a few names though that could snipe, such as Panic or Yonghwa. But overall, not well rounded enough I'd say. But then, it's Choya, we'll have to see
6. Startale-YFW. Okay, they have a ridiculous roster.... but only San, Life and Bomber really stand out. Surprisingly, I think they'll be the ones to pull the most upsets (hello Has), but I can't see them getting consistent result throughout a season.
7. Samsung Khans. Honestly, there's no player that really stands out on Samsung that could really be a big threat. They'll win games, but not series. Dear has been a bit under the radar recently, and the games he played don't really hint at anything, he should be decent but not that much, Stork's recent results are somewhat awful, Hurricane's as well. That leaves them with Solar and pretty much nobody else I'd say.
8. PRIME. Sorry Prime, even though you _may_ have a decent trio in YoDa, Creator and BboongBboong, with maybe Myungsik to close out series, but I don't think that'll make the cut. Maybe a few surprise wins here and there against Startale-YFW or Khans, but you'll have to make big statements with this kind of roster to reconsider this ranking.
Damn I'm bad at this.
lol try as hard as you want, you can never predict proleague.
On December 16 2014 20:48 Ragnarork wrote: Did we ever know what happened to ByuN in the end?
Also, no PenguiN for SKT?
Also, terrible rankings yay:
1. Jin Air. They have top players that can definitely perform well (sOs, Maru) and then a deep roster of okayish to very good players (Rogue, Cure, Trap, Symbol, Terminator, Pigbaby), allowing for verstatility and impredictability. Not enough terrans though, so maybe a weakness here.
2. KT Rolster. The most solid team as they can field 4 players that showed they can take any team by themselves (Flash, Zest, Stats, TY), but beyond those 4, it's quite bleak... Maybe Action? So tough, but no depth. Should one fail to grab its game, this doesn't look good anymore I'd say.
3/4. CJ Entus. 3/4.SKT. Honestly I can't rank them. Both team have a well rounded ZPT trio backbone (Classic, Innovation, soO / herO, Bbyong, ByuL), though I'd rank SKT's a bit above CJ for that, but then I believe a bit more in CJ's bench (notably sKyHigh and Sora, which I believe will do wonder against Terrans, and there are many to snipe) than SKT's (with Dark being the most notable). It will be interesting to see those two clash though!
5. MVP Choya and his band. They have a decent quatuor in MarineKing (which is apparently back, at least in TvP), HerO (which showed recently he's still quite good, at least in PvP), Losira (which is also somewhat back on a good performance, as we saw at HSCX, with 4 - 0 in his group and then 3 - 0 TY!), and Taeja. On paper this could look good, but somewhat I feel this team can be too easily sniped, or just plain wrecked by a superior, well rounded roster. Beyond those four, we still have a few names though that could snipe, such as Panic or Yonghwa. But overall, not well rounded enough I'd say. But then, it's Choya, we'll have to see
6. Startale-YFW. Okay, they have a ridiculous roster.... but only San, Life and Bomber really stand out. Surprisingly, I think they'll be the ones to pull the most upsets (hello Has), but I can't see them getting consistent result throughout a season.
7. Samsung Khans. Honestly, there's no player that really stands out on Samsung that could really be a big threat. They'll win games, but not series. Dear has been a bit under the radar recently, and the games he played don't really hint at anything, he should be decent but not that much, Stork's recent results are somewhat awful, Hurricane's as well. That leaves them with Solar and pretty much nobody else I'd say.
8. PRIME. Sorry Prime, even though you _may_ have a decent trio in YoDa, Creator and BboongBboong, with maybe Myungsik to close out series, but I don't think that'll make the cut. Maybe a few surprise wins here and there against Startale-YFW or Khans, but you'll have to make big statements with this kind of roster to reconsider this ranking.
Damn I'm bad at this.
lol try as hard as you want, you can never predict proleague.
I know, but that's fun Well. At least I know I won't bet on prime or on the Khans (and even them I'd be cautious). But for the others, fuck if it goes according to anyone's prediction!
On December 16 2014 20:48 Ragnarork wrote: Did we ever know what happened to ByuN in the end?
Also, no PenguiN for SKT?
Also, terrible rankings yay:
1. Jin Air. They have top players that can definitely perform well (sOs, Maru) and then a deep roster of okayish to very good players (Rogue, Cure, Trap, Symbol, Terminator, Pigbaby), allowing for verstatility and impredictability. Not enough terrans though, so maybe a weakness here.
2. KT Rolster. The most solid team as they can field 4 players that showed they can take any team by themselves (Flash, Zest, Stats, TY), but beyond those 4, it's quite bleak... Maybe Action? So tough, but no depth. Should one fail to grab its game, this doesn't look good anymore I'd say.
3/4. CJ Entus. 3/4.SKT. Honestly I can't rank them. Both team have a well rounded ZPT trio backbone (Classic, Innovation, soO / herO, Bbyong, ByuL), though I'd rank SKT's a bit above CJ for that, but then I believe a bit more in CJ's bench (notably sKyHigh and Sora, which I believe will do wonder against Terrans, and there are many to snipe) than SKT's (with Dark being the most notable). It will be interesting to see those two clash though!
5. MVP Choya and his band. They have a decent quatuor in MarineKing (which is apparently back, at least in TvP), HerO (which showed recently he's still quite good, at least in PvP), Losira (which is also somewhat back on a good performance, as we saw at HSCX, with 4 - 0 in his group and then 3 - 0 TY!), and Taeja. On paper this could look good, but somewhat I feel this team can be too easily sniped, or just plain wrecked by a superior, well rounded roster. Beyond those four, we still have a few names though that could snipe, such as Panic or Yonghwa. But overall, not well rounded enough I'd say. But then, it's Choya, we'll have to see
6. Startale-YFW. Okay, they have a ridiculous roster.... but only San, Life and Bomber really stand out. Surprisingly, I think they'll be the ones to pull the most upsets (hello Has), but I can't see them getting consistent result throughout a season.
7. Samsung Khans. Honestly, there's no player that really stands out on Samsung that could really be a big threat. They'll win games, but not series. Dear has been a bit under the radar recently, and the games he played don't really hint at anything, he should be decent but not that much, Stork's recent results are somewhat awful, Hurricane's as well. That leaves them with Solar and pretty much nobody else I'd say.
8. PRIME. Sorry Prime, even though you _may_ have a decent trio in YoDa, Creator and BboongBboong, with maybe Myungsik to close out series, but I don't think that'll make the cut. Maybe a few surprise wins here and there against Startale-YFW or Khans, but you'll have to make big statements with this kind of roster to reconsider this ranking.
Damn I'm bad at this.
lol try as hard as you want, you can never predict proleague.
I know, but that's fun Well. At least I know I won't bet on prime or on the Khans (and even them I'd be cautious). But for the others, fuck if it goes according to anyone's prediction!
it comes down to b-teamers, because a stacked team is bound to get sniped by them if prepared right, also its better not value that individual success so much, some players will do much better in PL than in individual leagues, which is why I am sure Flash will cost more than Taeja for FPL
people call PL wacky and weird, but its something I'm more used to than individual leagues
On December 16 2014 20:48 Ragnarork wrote: Did we ever know what happened to ByuN in the end?
Also, no PenguiN for SKT?
Also, terrible rankings yay:
1. Jin Air. They have top players that can definitely perform well (sOs, Maru) and then a deep roster of okayish to very good players (Rogue, Cure, Trap, Symbol, Terminator, Pigbaby), allowing for verstatility and impredictability. Not enough terrans though, so maybe a weakness here.
2. KT Rolster. The most solid team as they can field 4 players that showed they can take any team by themselves (Flash, Zest, Stats, TY), but beyond those 4, it's quite bleak... Maybe Action? So tough, but no depth. Should one fail to grab its game, this doesn't look good anymore I'd say.
3/4. CJ Entus. 3/4.SKT. Honestly I can't rank them. Both team have a well rounded ZPT trio backbone (Classic, Innovation, soO / herO, Bbyong, ByuL), though I'd rank SKT's a bit above CJ for that, but then I believe a bit more in CJ's bench (notably sKyHigh and Sora, which I believe will do wonder against Terrans, and there are many to snipe) than SKT's (with Dark being the most notable). It will be interesting to see those two clash though!
5. MVP Choya and his band. They have a decent quatuor in MarineKing (which is apparently back, at least in TvP), HerO (which showed recently he's still quite good, at least in PvP), Losira (which is also somewhat back on a good performance, as we saw at HSCX, with 4 - 0 in his group and then 3 - 0 TY!), and Taeja. On paper this could look good, but somewhat I feel this team can be too easily sniped, or just plain wrecked by a superior, well rounded roster. Beyond those four, we still have a few names though that could snipe, such as Panic or Yonghwa. But overall, not well rounded enough I'd say. But then, it's Choya, we'll have to see
6. Startale-YFW. Okay, they have a ridiculous roster.... but only San, Life and Bomber really stand out. Surprisingly, I think they'll be the ones to pull the most upsets (hello Has), but I can't see them getting consistent result throughout a season.
7. Samsung Khans. Honestly, there's no player that really stands out on Samsung that could really be a big threat. They'll win games, but not series. Dear has been a bit under the radar recently, and the games he played don't really hint at anything, he should be decent but not that much, Stork's recent results are somewhat awful, Hurricane's as well. That leaves them with Solar and pretty much nobody else I'd say.
8. PRIME. Sorry Prime, even though you _may_ have a decent trio in YoDa, Creator and BboongBboong, with maybe Myungsik to close out series, but I don't think that'll make the cut. Maybe a few surprise wins here and there against Startale-YFW or Khans, but you'll have to make big statements with this kind of roster to reconsider this ranking.
Damn I'm bad at this.
lol try as hard as you want, you can never predict proleague.
I know, but that's fun Well. At least I know I won't bet on prime or on the Khans (and even them I'd be cautious). But for the others, fuck if it goes according to anyone's prediction!
it comes down to b-teamers, because a stacked team is bound to get sniped by them if prepared right, also its better not value that individual success so much, some players will do much better in PL than in individual leagues, which is why I am sure Flash will cost more than Taeja for FPL
people call PL wacky and weird, but its something I'm more used to than individual leagues
Well it's not the same landmarks as in individual leagues, so when you've got your habits and see players who do well or bad in individual leagues, and that doesn't translate in the same success (or failure) in PL, it seems strange in comparison.
That's how you end up with guys like Rogue who perform really well, and you've never seen the guy in individual leagues, or with soO and his "decent but a bit meh" 13-11 despite being one of the best players throughout 2014.
That's also why I believe in Startale. I want to see Has snipe people with whacky builds
How and where do I watch Proleague? I have money. I want to subscribe. In the old GSTL days, I just subscribed at GOM-TV. Last year I was watching on Twitch, but now Twitch has changed up, and I can't find the channel. Help please.
On December 16 2014 23:40 Mantisdolphin wrote: How and where do I watch Proleague? I have money. I want to subscribe. In the old GSTL days, I just subscribed at GOM-TV. Last year I was watching on Twitch, but now Twitch has changed up, and I can't find the channel. Help please.
You can watch it for free on youtube (KR stream) or twitch TV. If you want to support them and pay for the stream, you can suscribe to the SPL stream on twitch.tv. Remember that the SPOTV's own youtube channel uploads all the matches, both english and korean cast, so by suscribing to the twitch channel there isn't much that you get other than the fact that you can also watch the twitch past broadcasts (which includes interviews, the brief breaks between matches, etc).
Lol, ranking Samsung as bot-2 is bad, guys :D If Maru was on Prime last season, they would have been in playoffs at least twice, that's beauty of bo5. Samsung already have 3-3,5 legit guys and people with upset potentials. God dammit, RorO, why did you retire and who will i put my team around ):
And Prime is way stronger this time, they have 3,5 players since beginning and not 2,5 players after MKP rejoins.
I wouldn't have minded a delayed start if it meant for crazy new maps like what they did in earlier seasons of Proleague. I guess the standard WCS map pool makes it easier for players to practice on.
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
Not everyone did. And they probably have good reasons, be it financial or something else. I mean maybe the teams themselves don't want Bo7 considering some of them have pretty small rosters
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
3-0's take like 40 minutes TT so lame
So you'd rather want StarTale to get destroyed by Prime by a 4 game difference than by a 3 game difference?
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
3-0's take like 40 minutes TT so lame
So you'd rather want StarTale to get destroyed by Prime by a 4 game difference than by a 3 game difference?
Prime's six would be YoDa, Creator, Byun (maybe?), B4, Myungsik, and probably TANGTANG
ST's would be San, Hack, Bomber, Life, aLive, Curious.
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
3-0's take like 40 minutes TT so lame
So you'd rather want StarTale to get destroyed by Prime by a 4 game difference than by a 3 game difference?
Prime's six would be YoDa, Creator, Byun (maybe?), B4, Myungsik, and probably TANGTANG
ST's would be San, Hack, Bomber, Life, aLive, Curious.
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
3-0's take like 40 minutes TT so lame
So you'd rather want StarTale to get destroyed by Prime by a 4 game difference than by a 3 game difference?
Prime's six would be YoDa, Creator, Byun (maybe?), B4, Myungsik, and probably TANGTANG
ST's would be San, Hack, Bomber, Life, aLive, Curious.
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
And noone from them is really teamleague guy. On paper of course it looks cute, even cuter than IM last season. If PartinG plays, they might contest round playoffs, having Life as your teamleague ace is kinda underwhelming.
On December 17 2014 03:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: When was the last time we saw a true all-kill in a Bo7?
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
And noone from them is really teamleague guy. On paper of course it looks cute, even cuter than IM last season. If PartinG plays, they might contest round playoffs, having Life as your teamleague is kinda underwhelming.
On December 17 2014 03:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: When was the last time we saw a true all-kill in a Bo7?
Billowy :>
When you say that they aren't team league guys, are you saying that they don't usually perform well in team leagues (likely because they have not put much focus on them in the past, as is true for most of ST) or that they're not streaky enough? If it's the former, I'm fairly confident Life and friends can handle preparing for a player they know in advance on maps they are familiar with.
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
And noone from them is really teamleague guy. On paper of course it looks cute, even cuter than IM last season. If PartinG plays, they might contest round playoffs, having Life as your teamleague is kinda underwhelming.
On December 17 2014 03:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: When was the last time we saw a true all-kill in a Bo7?
Billowy :>
When you say that they aren't team league guys, are you saying that they don't usually perform well in team leagues (likely because they have not put much focus on them in the past, as is true for most of ST) or that they're not streaky enough? If it's the former, I'm fairly confident Life and friends can handle preparing for a player they know in advance on maps they are familiar with.
It will be glorious to see your power rank with Startale way too high, just like with CJ last year At least i hope you do one, i think i will try one too this time, it's kinda fun to think about it
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
And noone from them is really teamleague guy. On paper of course it looks cute, even cuter than IM last season. If PartinG plays, they might contest round playoffs, having Life as your teamleague is kinda underwhelming.
On December 17 2014 03:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: When was the last time we saw a true all-kill in a Bo7?
Billowy :>
When you say that they aren't team league guys, are you saying that they don't usually perform well in team leagues (likely because they have not put much focus on them in the past, as is true for most of ST) or that they're not streaky enough? If it's the former, I'm fairly confident Life and friends can handle preparing for a player they know in advance on maps they are familiar with.
It will be glorious to see your power rank with Startale way too high, just like with CJ last year At least i hope you do one, i think i will try one too this time, it's kinda fun to think about it
Was CJ top-2, i don't remember? Because, they were literally one game from getting there.
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
And noone from them is really teamleague guy. On paper of course it looks cute, even cuter than IM last season. If PartinG plays, they might contest round playoffs, having Life as your teamleague is kinda underwhelming.
On December 17 2014 03:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: When was the last time we saw a true all-kill in a Bo7?
Billowy :>
When you say that they aren't team league guys, are you saying that they don't usually perform well in team leagues (likely because they have not put much focus on them in the past, as is true for most of ST) or that they're not streaky enough? If it's the former, I'm fairly confident Life and friends can handle preparing for a player they know in advance on maps they are familiar with.
It will be glorious to see your power rank with Startale way too high, just like with CJ last year At least i hope you do one, i think i will try one too this time, it's kinda fun to think about it
Was CJ top-2, i don't remember? Because, they were literally one game from getting there.
Zealously put CJ as first place on his power rank. They failed horribly at first, but ended up nearly beating SKT to make it to the finals.
On December 17 2014 03:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: Was really hoping the rosters would be announced today too
They were, just preliminary one.
On December 17 2014 04:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:04 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 02:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 17 2014 02:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 00:55 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
And noone from them is really teamleague guy. On paper of course it looks cute, even cuter than IM last season. If PartinG plays, they might contest round playoffs, having Life as your teamleague is kinda underwhelming.
On December 17 2014 03:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: When was the last time we saw a true all-kill in a Bo7?
Billowy :>
When you say that they aren't team league guys, are you saying that they don't usually perform well in team leagues (likely because they have not put much focus on them in the past, as is true for most of ST) or that they're not streaky enough? If it's the former, I'm fairly confident Life and friends can handle preparing for a player they know in advance on maps they are familiar with.
It will be glorious to see your power rank with Startale way too high, just like with CJ last year At least i hope you do one, i think i will try one too this time, it's kinda fun to think about it
Was CJ top-2, i don't remember? Because, they were literally one game from getting there.
Zealously put CJ as first place on his power rank. They failed horribly at first, but ended up nearly beating SKT to make it to the finals.
It wasn't that horrible :p sOs and Prime were horrible. Ah, right, Prime beat CJ in first round. Right then.
On December 17 2014 03:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: Was really hoping the rosters would be announced today too
They were, just preliminary one.
On December 17 2014 04:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:04 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 02:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 17 2014 02:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 00:55 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
And noone from them is really teamleague guy. On paper of course it looks cute, even cuter than IM last season. If PartinG plays, they might contest round playoffs, having Life as your teamleague is kinda underwhelming.
On December 17 2014 03:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: When was the last time we saw a true all-kill in a Bo7?
Billowy :>
When you say that they aren't team league guys, are you saying that they don't usually perform well in team leagues (likely because they have not put much focus on them in the past, as is true for most of ST) or that they're not streaky enough? If it's the former, I'm fairly confident Life and friends can handle preparing for a player they know in advance on maps they are familiar with.
It will be glorious to see your power rank with Startale way too high, just like with CJ last year At least i hope you do one, i think i will try one too this time, it's kinda fun to think about it
Was CJ top-2, i don't remember? Because, they were literally one game from getting there.
Zealously put CJ as first place on his power rank. They failed horribly at first, but ended up nearly beating SKT to make it to the finals.
I stand by the logic of placing CJ at #1. Couldn't have known beforehand they would forget how to play for a full round before starting to get into it. That herO vs Rain game 7 though -.-
On December 17 2014 03:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: Was really hoping the rosters would be announced today too
They were, just preliminary one.
On December 17 2014 04:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:04 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 02:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 17 2014 02:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 00:55 Zealously wrote: [quote]
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
And noone from them is really teamleague guy. On paper of course it looks cute, even cuter than IM last season. If PartinG plays, they might contest round playoffs, having Life as your teamleague is kinda underwhelming.
On December 17 2014 03:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: When was the last time we saw a true all-kill in a Bo7?
Billowy :>
When you say that they aren't team league guys, are you saying that they don't usually perform well in team leagues (likely because they have not put much focus on them in the past, as is true for most of ST) or that they're not streaky enough? If it's the former, I'm fairly confident Life and friends can handle preparing for a player they know in advance on maps they are familiar with.
It will be glorious to see your power rank with Startale way too high, just like with CJ last year At least i hope you do one, i think i will try one too this time, it's kinda fun to think about it
Was CJ top-2, i don't remember? Because, they were literally one game from getting there.
Zealously put CJ as first place on his power rank. They failed horribly at first, but ended up nearly beating SKT to make it to the finals.
I stand by the logic of placing CJ at #1. Couldn't have known beforehand they would forget how to play for a full round before starting to get into it. That herO vs Rain game 7 though -.-
On December 17 2014 03:50 chipmonklord17 wrote: Was really hoping the rosters would be announced today too
They were, just preliminary one.
On December 17 2014 04:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:17 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 17 2014 03:04 Zealously wrote:
On December 17 2014 02:36 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 17 2014 02:13 The_Red_Viper wrote: [quote] People want to see bo7 cause it rewards the depth of a team. You could argue that the teams right now lack the players to make a bo7 proleague work and you probably would be right, but still, i don't see what is wrong with having some "lesser" players gain experience and playtime. With a bo5 we probably see the same 4 core players every week. I mean it will be great regardless, but bo7 would add to it (season 12-13 is a bad example, the quality of the players on average just wasn't there yet)
That's why it's cool to have Bo7 in playoffs, because it truly rewards best team. Neither Startale, Prime or MVP, even Samsung after RorO's retirement is going to be truly competitive team in bo7, but in bo5 they can reach playoffs and then try to check depths.
Removing Sundays is a crime though :< Even worse than finals in autumn.
Life, San, Curious, Hack, aLive, Leenock, (Parting, Bomber) isn't a team I would rate very far below CJ or SKT in a Bo7.
And noone from them is really teamleague guy. On paper of course it looks cute, even cuter than IM last season. If PartinG plays, they might contest round playoffs, having Life as your teamleague is kinda underwhelming.
On December 17 2014 03:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: When was the last time we saw a true all-kill in a Bo7?
Billowy :>
When you say that they aren't team league guys, are you saying that they don't usually perform well in team leagues (likely because they have not put much focus on them in the past, as is true for most of ST) or that they're not streaky enough? If it's the former, I'm fairly confident Life and friends can handle preparing for a player they know in advance on maps they are familiar with.
It will be glorious to see your power rank with Startale way too high, just like with CJ last year At least i hope you do one, i think i will try one too this time, it's kinda fun to think about it
Was CJ top-2, i don't remember? Because, they were literally one game from getting there.
Zealously put CJ as first place on his power rank. They failed horribly at first, but ended up nearly beating SKT to make it to the finals.
I stand by the logic of placing CJ at #1. Couldn't have known beforehand they would forget how to play for a full round before starting to get into it. That herO vs Rain game 7 though -.-
Plz no curse this year!
Let's face it, people would have said I cursed CJ even if they'd lost 3-4 in the finals -.^
On December 17 2014 00:38 Darkhorse wrote: What the fucking fuck. Literally everyone in the world asked for Bo7...
Stupid kespa
I didn't, because I firmly believe that Bo7 would stretch current rosters pretty thin. Not all teams have 6 players that could be reasonably expected to beat decent players. Best of 7 doesn't automatically make the matches better or more entertaining (see Proleague 12-13)
I loved Bo7 in BW. Teams couldn't just rely on their top 2-3 players every night. Proleague was how I got introduced to the up and comers of the scene. Rain and soO both made their mark during that time as players to watch out for. Bo7 gave more room for teams to use snipers or give bench players live experience without having to bench one of their top players.
And the level of play of the 5th-8th best players on Proleague rosters is still above foreigner level.
Jin Air and SKT are going to fight for the title. I expect whichever of them doesn't get is going to get backstabbed by KT's dual-pronged weapon of Zest and Flash.
On December 17 2014 20:41 Tufas wrote: Please give me more than 6 hours to draft my random FPL teams, I am not as much on TL as I once was I still have to find a replacement for RorO
On December 17 2014 20:41 Tufas wrote: Please give me more than 6 hours to draft my random FPL teams, I am not as much on TL as I once was I still have to find a replacement for RorO
On December 18 2014 00:07 Ctone23 wrote: Ok I'm sure this has been asked, but if the KeSPA president is stepping down, does that also free all prisoners currently in KeSPA Jail?
lichter pls
When the president of the united states quits, does he let all the prisoners in the country free?
On December 17 2014 12:10 Jazzman88 wrote: Jin Air and SKT are going to fight for the title. I expect whichever of them doesn't get is going to get backstabbed by KT's dual-pronged weapon of Zest and Flash.
People tend to forget that Stats did rack up a decent amount of wins for KT too !
On December 18 2014 00:07 Ctone23 wrote: Ok I'm sure this has been asked, but if the KeSPA president is stepping down, does that also free all prisoners currently in KeSPA Jail?
lichter pls
When the president of the united states quits, does he let all the prisoners in the country free?
He has the power to grant pardons. We just have to see if the Kespa president will do that as well
On December 18 2014 00:07 Ctone23 wrote: Ok I'm sure this has been asked, but if the KeSPA president is stepping down, does that also free all prisoners currently in KeSPA Jail?
lichter pls
When the president of the united states quits, does he let all the prisoners in the country free?
Its usually when a new president is elected that general amnesties are issued.
Guys, can someone tell me where the SPL 2015 on the 29th takes place? I am in Korea and I wanna go see the matches and visit our proud English casters. :D
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