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On December 09 2014 11:47 ThomasjServo wrote: I wish teams like this would try to retain a clan status or something like that. Try not to completely let go of what Ai meant as a tag, and just withdraw for a bit. Disband is such a hard cut. Exactly my thoughts when reading the headline. I mean, they can't possibly hate them to a point where they don't want to see/hang out with each other, right? Why not keeping it alive even if it's not competitive anymore... ?  (Even if not on SC2) | ||
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rice_devOurer
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On December 09 2014 06:44 ToXiCSPA wrote: Seems like lately we only have bad news... that's only because the good news starts really small and becomes bigger over time (homemade teams, for example Axiom). bad news comes suddenly and displaces/affects more people. edit- and therefore bad news is more visible. | ||
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KeksX
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On December 09 2014 18:07 Ragnarork wrote: Exactly my thoughts when reading the headline. I mean, they can't possibly hate them to a point where they don't want to see/hang out with each other, right? Why not keeping it alive even if it's not competitive anymore... ? (Even if not on SC2)Because it'd still cost money...? | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
How does it cost money to just let the name live as a clan, like how my friends and I gather around a common name (the one of our guild back in Guild Wars, even though people are more scattered today). | ||
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ToXiCSPA
Spain17 Posts
On December 09 2014 08:32 fruity. wrote: Yep. Can't wait for LotV. IEM was brilliant. Dreamhack excellent. Redbull ran a super tournament through the year aswell. OOOH Homestory Cup (how dare you parting!!). Copa America.. The Taiwan esports scene is booming.. TeSL. GSL returning in '15. FragBite Masters, Code A. BasetradeTV with more coverage than you can usually watch on its own (nah.. who am I kidding there! More please). Pughy, Madals.. The foreigners catching up... Demuslim in love with nathanias (it's true). Destiny ran his own event. Kespa still there, still being Kespa! Gfinity! Go4SC2... Holy shit I can't even remember them all. You are right, we have a lot of tournaments in SC2 scene. But you're missing that european and american scene is dying . Fnatic leaving their team dies, Ai disbands, EG , Mouz ,Acer or TL not recruiting new players. I talk as european player and I feel like we don't have any chance to sucess in this cause we're losing oportunities due to this situation. Most of players don't feel the motivation we had in 2012 (and they simply quitted) , when really felt you could get a good team. Now the scene is turning hard for us, playing for (almost) nothing, no motivation, no posibilities. SC2 is not only the 30-40 pro players you see in tournaments, there is thousand of players trying hard to get an opportunity, like me. The comunity is forgeting that. | ||
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On December 09 2014 20:05 ToXiCSPA wrote: Now the scene is turning hard for us, playing for (almost) nothing, no motivation, no posibilities. SC2 is not only the 30-40 pro players you see in tournaments, there is thousand of players trying hard to get an opportunity, like me. The comunity is forgeting that. You know, you bring up a very valid point, to be honest one I hadn't considered. But is this in the same way that a lot of kids want to be pro footballers? (no America proper football!). Lots of desire, perhaps lots of skill too, just not enough teams to go round. And from the teams point of view isn't or wouldn't it be considerably harder to get sponsors involved into a scene like sc2? Just from the pure fact it's smaller than some games requiring ..ahem.. less skill to play.. no names ¹. Sponsors or teams I guess want bang for buck, and if the cost to a sponsor is the same for X as it is Y but Y is a bigger scene.. I was going to waffle something about SC2 is and always will be a smaller community due to the nature of the beast. Didn't we have like over 80K at most dreamhacks in the past? In the good old days. But I thought I'd go check before I did, and wondered across this; http://www.esportsmax.com/news/dreamhack-winter-most-viewed-dreamhack-date Top 5 streams (Peak concurrent, one channel) 1 Dota 2 - English stream - Day 3 103,463 2 CS:GO - English stream - Day 3 97,804 3 StarCraft 2 - English stream 96,025 4 Dota 2 - Russian stream - Day 3 92,128 5 Dota 2 - English stream - Day 2 65,549 I think we're doing OK guys!!! + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rrUi6y5.jpg) But then I realised this was data from one year ago. And according to this - which is all I could find with google - reddit graph. Things aren't so good. Zero idea on the validity of it. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2KRsCPv.jpg) Oh my, it's understandable why teams are pulling out. I feel for you ToXiCSPA, really I do, and others in the same boat. Our benevolent overloads (aka blizzard) Need to make sure that people returning in LotV have a reason to stay beyond the campaign. The ladder system needs a big reworking in my most humble opinion, but that's a topic for another thread. Hang in there ToXiCSPA! More practise and better quality of practise!! ¹ less skill, or more fun? | ||
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Rustug
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On December 09 2014 20:05 ToXiCSPA wrote: You are right, we have a lot of tournaments in SC2 scene. But you're missing that european and american scene is dying . Fnatic leaving their team dies, Ai disbands, EG , Mouz ,Acer or TL not recruiting new players. I talk as european player and I feel like we don't have any chance to sucess in this cause we're losing oportunities due to this situation. Most of players don't feel the motivation we had in 2012 (and they simply quitted) , when really felt you could get a good team. Now the scene is turning hard for us, playing for (almost) nothing, no motivation, no posibilities. SC2 is not only the 30-40 pro players you see in tournaments, there is thousand of players trying hard to get an opportunity, like me. The comunity is forgeting that. Why should I, as a community member, care about you. My first interaction with you is hearing you complain in this thread and that shows me very little motivation. If this is how you sell yourself than it's not a surprise I haven't heard of you and teams have no interest in signing you. Stop complaining and start playing. As for your complaints, it's the end of the year and like any other year budgets have been spend. This is the time Teams start preparing for the upcoming year. With all the changes to WCS most EU/US teams will probably want to trade their Koreans for Foreigners. Maybe keep 1 or 2 Koreans for the DreamHacks, IEM, ... The best Foreigners have already been signed and Teams will either have to buy-out contracts from another organisation or find new talent. I'm not expecting BIG moves/announcements until a month before WCS starts. To me this is an exciting time. We had a pretty good year. We didn't make League numbers, but we did good. I get a positive feeling when looking forward to 2015. I think foreign Top players like Snute will get even better. I think the Korean leagues, with all the talents returning from abroad, will be even more exciting. (I'm eager to build my ProLeague fantasy team). So many dates for tournaments have already been announced and more to come. SC2 is awesome and we'll have another great year in 2015! StarCraft Fighting! | ||
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ToXiCSPA
Spain17 Posts
On December 09 2014 22:10 Rustug wrote: Why should I, as a community member, care about you. My first interaction with you is hearing you complain in this thread and that shows me very little motivation. If this is how you sell yourself than it's not a surprise I haven't heard of you and teams have no interest in signing you. Stop complaining and start playing. Nice words from a person who has this as signature : ' Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ" ' I'm not asking you for anything, I'm complaining about teams are one of the main responsibles in SC2 bad situation. | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On December 09 2014 19:19 Ragnarork wrote: How does it cost money to just let the name live as a clan, like how my friends and I gather around a common name (the one of our guild back in Guild Wars, even though people are more scattered today). So if I form a clan now and call it Alien Invasion you'd say Alien Invasion is back? Obviously not  But to keep all the guys and even the players you'd still have to provide cash. That is if you don't want to see random mid-masters players playing under the ai tag... | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On December 09 2014 22:10 Rustug wrote: Why should I, as a community member, care about you. My first interaction with you is hearing you complain in this thread and that shows me very little motivation. If this is how you sell yourself than it's not a surprise I haven't heard of you and teams have no interest in signing you. Stop complaining and start playing. As for your complaints, it's the end of the year and like any other year budgets have been spend. This is the time Teams start preparing for the upcoming year. With all the changes to WCS most EU/US teams will probably want to trade their Koreans for Foreigners. Maybe keep 1 or 2 Koreans for the DreamHacks, IEM, ... The best Foreigners have already been signed and Teams will either have to buy-out contracts from another organisation or find new talent. I'm not expecting BIG moves/announcements until a month before WCS starts. To me this is an exciting time. We had a pretty good year. We didn't make League numbers, but we did good. I get a positive feeling when looking forward to 2015. I think foreign Top players like Snute will get even better. I think the Korean leagues, with all the talents returning from abroad, will be even more exciting. (I'm eager to build my ProLeague fantasy team). So many dates for tournaments have already been announced and more to come. SC2 is awesome and we'll have another great year in 2015! StarCraft Fighting! Everywhere the jump from amateur to pro is hard outside of Korea (where it is not easy either), because you have not only be good in what you are doing, the people arround you have to accept what you do. If you parents insist that you have to focus on something "more worth" then video games, you wount have enough training time to become something. When you are 14-18 years old, it is the time to increase your skill by training, but some mother, father or teacher will tell you to do something more worth then playing video games. Players like Maru or Life are unthinkable here in EU or US. If you want to jump from Amateur to Pro, you only have one thing to do: Train, but this dedication is hard. Training 2-3 hours a day will keep you down and you will lose alot of the experience and time other teenagers will have next to you. In korea this dedication is accepted, yeah parents even support their children. In Europe or US? Never seen that. For the Situation of Starcraft II itself: 2014 gone neither worse or bad: In Korea, SPL was a succes, GSL, still with Studiofinals, went not bad and KespaCup and Hot6 went well. Korean StarCraft II should be boosted much more next year with 3 Kespa Cups, GSL, SSL, SPL and more to go. When we say 2013 was the worst year of korean Starcraft II, 2015 will be far better. Also in China and Taiwan Starcraft II becomes better and better: YoeFWs cooperation with Startale, the Tesl runs decent, IEM will go to Taipeh, Taiwan Open was a succes. In China we see more and more tournaments organised by the ministery of sport. And the GPL rises. I think not only Korea, but whole Asia will have 2015 a good year. In NA and EU I have very mixed feelings: RedBull made some amazing Events last year and I am shure they will run a new series of events next year, Gfinity starts to roll with a series of 4 Major and maybe one Premiere event, IEM IX has one Event less then IEM VIII, Dreamhacks views were falling quite abit, also HSC X had abouzt 15% less viewers then HSC IX and not even half of the viewers of SSC II (Hearthstone). Will MLG do another event 2015? Or even start a new series of Events? Nobody knows what impact the new WCS system will have and the great return of koreans, while a handfull will still compete in the new WCS: How will the Ladder skill develop, especially in EU, where you cant play lagfree on Kr? And Ladder is for most player outside of a teamhouse still their main training ground. How will the viewers accept the new WCS? Will they watch it because their home heros will play more? Or will there be less viewers because they expect the skill lvl to drop? Will the players use the money rain of the new WCS to concentraite their whole life on Starcraft II or will they just take what they can with a decent amount of training and concentrate on jobs, studies or school? And which foreigners will go to Korea thus leaving the WCS so that there is a local hero less to chear for? I see a lot of ??? for western Starcraft II and a good year for korean. But not everything is going well, the drop of viewers we could see during events is quite alot and has to be taken into account. | ||
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
On December 09 2014 22:47 KeksX wrote: So if I form a clan now and call it Alien Invasion you'd say Alien Invasion is back? Obviously not But to keep all the guys and even the players you'd still have to provide cash. That is if you don't want to see random mid-masters players playing under the ai tag... No, that's not the point. The name is tied to the people of course. No I mean it like for most of the people involved in Ai (not the players, as they'll maybe want to find a new team, and were "hired" in the first place). If they stop competitive stuff, that doesn't prevent them from keeping Ai alive as a clan and not a team, reforming the day they get enough passion + motivation to start again. | ||
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