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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
December 08 2014 16:53 GMT
#1
A few hours ago Alien Invasion posted this on their facebook:

This year was absolutely astonishing for Alien Invasion. The accomplishments of our two Koreans Patience and Golden throughout the year showed us that our teamhouse was a good investment to compete on the highest level. Indeed the whole team flourished under those circrumstances and even after both Koreans went back to Korea our shrinked roster still suprised nearly everyone. In the Cascade1xbet Team League we got second in the group stages and with the help of the incredible Strelok we got to the finals. But all the good stories come to an end. And for now Alien Invasion will close it's doors and renovate until the next big RTS title will come up in which we want to compete.
Thanks to our sponsor Wardecks, especially Meik, and Leaseweb. And thanks to all our fans, you are the ones who always cheered for Ai even in the early times of Starcraft 2.
Our pathes will cross again, wait for the next Alien Invasion!


source: https://www.facebook.com/TeamAlienInvasion/posts/850338761683770



about Alien Invasion:

Alien Invasion (often abbreviated to Ai) is a professional StarCraft II team based in Germany. The organisation was founded in 2007 as a Warcraft III team by a group of business students who happened to be eSports enthusiasts, and switched to StarCraft II in August 2010.

The competitive team is made up of both original members of the team, native German talent, upcoming European players, as well as players of an international calibre. In November 2012, the team announced the creation of a team house in Duisburg, Germany which would serve as a practice centre for their European players, as well as a place for the team's Korean players to live, whilst giving other players the possibility to apply to live and practice from the team house.
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Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-08 19:09:31
December 08 2014 18:59 GMT
#2
Looks like they'll wait for WC4 D:
It's always sad to see a team disband, especially if it was a legit and nice one with adorable players.
Ai has been a big part of the german scene and was always one of my favourite teams.
Hopefully they'll return some day!
Also good luck to all players and team members in the future!
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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
December 08 2014 19:13 GMT
#3
Aw, that's a shame. But I guess they just weren't getting the marketing they needed, not that surprising anymore.

Patience and Golden would both be great pickups, though. Hope they find a good home.
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
December 08 2014 19:15 GMT
#4
sad news
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Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
December 08 2014 19:19 GMT
#5
On December 09 2014 04:13 Larkin wrote:
Aw, that's a shame. But I guess they just weren't getting the marketing they needed, not that surprising anymore.

Patience and Golden would both be great pickups, though. Hope they find a good home.

Golden is in the military right now, he didn't leave Ai for no reason^^
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watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-08 19:23:01
December 08 2014 19:21 GMT
#6
On December 09 2014 04:19 Clubfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 04:13 Larkin wrote:
Aw, that's a shame. But I guess they just weren't getting the marketing they needed, not that surprising anymore.

Patience and Golden would both be great pickups, though. Hope they find a good home.

Golden is in the military right now, he didn't leave Ai for no reason^^


Also Patience already has a new team again, he is at Dead Pixels together with TRUE

The only player that was more or less still active and willing to practice for tournaments was CPU
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Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-08 19:22:40
December 08 2014 19:22 GMT
#7
Is the "next big RTS title" LOTV?

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Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
December 08 2014 19:25 GMT
#8
On December 09 2014 04:19 Clubfan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 04:13 Larkin wrote:
Aw, that's a shame. But I guess they just weren't getting the marketing they needed, not that surprising anymore.

Patience and Golden would both be great pickups, though. Hope they find a good home.

Golden is in the military right now, he didn't leave Ai for no reason^^


Ah yes, I had forgotten about that.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 08 2014 19:26 GMT
#9
"until the next big RTS title will come up in which we want to compete"

so you support a game for exactly as long as its on the top of the train and drop it right afterwards?
players sholdnt join your team then, since you will drop the game sooner or later anyway, right?
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Aelendis
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium892 Posts
December 08 2014 19:32 GMT
#10
On December 09 2014 04:26 KalWarkov wrote:
"until the next big RTS title will come up in which we want to compete"

so you support a game for exactly as long as its on the top of the train and drop it right afterwards?
players sholdnt join your team then, since you will drop the game sooner or later anyway, right?


Wow, such negativity. I'd say they did at least support SC2 for a good amount of time, which is quite awsome if you ask me.
tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1332 Posts
December 08 2014 19:36 GMT
#11
Awww golden
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
December 08 2014 19:41 GMT
#12
On December 09 2014 04:26 KalWarkov wrote:
"until the next big RTS title will come up in which we want to compete"

so you support a game for exactly as long as its on the top of the train and drop it right afterwards?
players sholdnt join your team then, since you will drop the game sooner or later anyway, right?


AI did well for their players and it's sad to see them go.
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Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
December 08 2014 19:42 GMT
#13
So does this mean they're waiting for lotv? or does this mean they're done with the starcraft title as a whole?
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Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
December 08 2014 19:46 GMT
#14
On December 09 2014 04:42 Advantageous wrote:
So does this mean they're waiting for lotv? or does this mean they're done with the starcraft title as a whole?


Guess it means they wait until SC2 is more profitable again, since on blizzard makes popular RTS games.
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SCguineapig
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Netherlands289 Posts
December 08 2014 19:48 GMT
#15
. that is terrible news.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
December 08 2014 19:48 GMT
#16
On December 09 2014 04:26 KalWarkov wrote:
"until the next big RTS title will come up in which we want to compete"

so you support a game for exactly as long as its on the top of the train and drop it right afterwards?
players sholdnt join your team then, since you will drop the game sooner or later anyway, right?

Better than not supporting it at all d: And better than scaming the players too
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
December 08 2014 20:04 GMT
#17
As far as I can judge AI was a very reliable team that supported its players well. They had a great last year with Patience and Golden doing very well for them.
Sad to see them go, but I hope they'll find the possibility to come back soon. And knowing the CEO at least a little bit I have no doubt that we will see more of AI some day.
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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3368 Posts
December 08 2014 20:31 GMT
#18
On December 09 2014 04:26 KalWarkov wrote:
"until the next big RTS title will come up in which we want to compete"

so you support a game for exactly as long as its on the top of the train and drop it right afterwards?
players sholdnt join your team then, since you will drop the game sooner or later anyway, right?


I actually find it very professional to announce it beforehand like this instead of just randomly shutting down like many teams.
They were a good part of the community and it s sad to see them go but they gave their reasons so you should respect them even if you do not agree.
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imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
December 08 2014 21:08 GMT
#19
On December 09 2014 05:31 WGT-Baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 04:26 KalWarkov wrote:
"until the next big RTS title will come up in which we want to compete"

so you support a game for exactly as long as its on the top of the train and drop it right afterwards?
players sholdnt join your team then, since you will drop the game sooner or later anyway, right?


I actually find it very professional to announce it beforehand like this instead of just randomly shutting down like many teams.
They were a good part of the community and it s sad to see them go but they gave their reasons so you should respect them even if you do not agree.

I agree. Would rather see teams that can't sustain what they are doing end things in a professional and responsible way rather than pull another Quantic etc... Now if the players from this team come out and start telling us about unpaid debts etc that would be another thing. Until I hear otherwise, I thank Ai for their time and investments in the scene and hope to see them again for LotV.
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ToXiCSPA
Profile Joined June 2012
Spain17 Posts
December 08 2014 21:44 GMT
#20
Seems like lately we only have bad news...
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
December 08 2014 21:52 GMT
#21
I played wc3 for Ai in 2003, they've been around for SO long :o hope they come back soon
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sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
December 08 2014 22:00 GMT
#22
On December 09 2014 06:44 ToXiCSPA wrote:
Seems like lately we only have bad news...

...what does this even mean
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
December 08 2014 22:02 GMT
#23
Is Alien Invasion same as Invasion? The shady business that recruited some Koreans recently?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
December 08 2014 22:04 GMT
#24
On December 09 2014 07:02 739 wrote:
Is Alien Invasion same as Invasion? The shady business that recruited some Koreans recently?

No. Invasion esports is a different thing.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
December 08 2014 22:05 GMT
#25
On December 09 2014 07:02 739 wrote:
Is Alien Invasion same as Invasion? The shady business that recruited some Koreans recently?


No Ai is a respectable team that's been around forever. Invasion is a separate possibly shady business
urasyupi2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States810 Posts
December 08 2014 22:15 GMT
#26
On December 09 2014 07:02 739 wrote:
Is Alien Invasion same as Invasion? The shady business that recruited some Koreans recently?

Nah, AI is an older, more reputable organization. They've been quite supportive for quite some time. Sad to see them go.
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EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
December 08 2014 22:16 GMT
#27
Meh, TBH with the disbanding of much bigger teams, I'm not at all surprised that these fringe teams are shutting down.

Still sad news though, I wonder how (if at all possible) these smaller teams could stay financially afloat in the long-term. I'm just really tired of teams disbanding due to that 1 passionate financial backer pulling out or losing sponsors that see no ROI.

paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
December 08 2014 22:57 GMT
#28
I never really cared about golden or partience but I like AiSieech and AILillikanin back in the day :p
imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
December 08 2014 23:15 GMT
#29
On December 09 2014 06:44 ToXiCSPA wrote:
Seems like lately we only have bad news...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/472583-strelok-joins-cascade1xbet
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/472666-miniraser-joins-imaginary-gaming
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/472786-gfinity-announces-2015-esports-tour

Oftentimes we only remember the bad news.
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
December 08 2014 23:22 GMT
#30
On December 09 2014 08:15 imJealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 06:44 ToXiCSPA wrote:
Seems like lately we only have bad news...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/472583-strelok-joins-cascade1xbet
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/472666-miniraser-joins-imaginary-gaming
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/472786-gfinity-announces-2015-esports-tour

Oftentimes we only remember the bad news.

New Proleague, new league in Korea, LotV, ahhh... we always remember only bad news...
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Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 08 2014 23:25 GMT
#31
On December 09 2014 07:16 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Meh, TBH with the disbanding of much bigger teams, I'm not at all surprised that these fringe teams are shutting down.

Still sad news though, I wonder how (if at all possible) these smaller teams could stay financially afloat in the long-term. I'm just really tired of teams disbanding due to that 1 passionate financial backer pulling out or losing sponsors that see no ROI.



This is not very different to far larger sports where teams are mainly runned by one company/oligarch or any other privater:
Think about Chelsea or AS Monaco. Without their oligarch, where would they be? Or in Formula 1, where would Force India go, when Mallyia leaves it.
Where would SKT be when SKT leaves the Esport?

Teams will allways come and leave. Thats normal. But still sad.
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fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
December 08 2014 23:32 GMT
#32
On December 09 2014 08:15 imJealous wrote:
Oftentimes we only remember the bad news.


Yep.

Can't wait for LotV.

IEM was brilliant.

Dreamhack excellent.

Redbull ran a super tournament through the year aswell.

OOOH Homestory Cup (how dare you parting!!).

Copa America.. The Taiwan esports scene is booming.. TeSL. GSL returning in '15. FragBite Masters, Code A. BasetradeTV with more coverage than you can usually watch on its own (nah.. who am I kidding there! More please). Pughy, Madals.. The foreigners catching up... Demuslim in love with nathanias (it's true). Destiny ran his own event. Kespa still there, still being Kespa! Gfinity! Go4SC2...

Holy shit I can't even remember them all.





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fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
December 08 2014 23:40 GMT
#33
And I forgot SpotTV starting up too! Who else have I fogotten!!!
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 08 2014 23:46 GMT
#34
They seem to be referring to an upcoming RTS game they know about. I'm curious about that.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
December 09 2014 00:10 GMT
#35
Hm, wonder what ReaL will go on to do now.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
December 09 2014 00:11 GMT
#36
Sad news, Ai was always one of my favorite foreign teams.
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lolmlg
Profile Joined November 2011
619 Posts
December 09 2014 00:33 GMT
#37
On December 09 2014 04:26 KalWarkov wrote:
"until the next big RTS title will come up in which we want to compete"

so you support a game for exactly as long as its on the top of the train and drop it right afterwards?
players sholdnt join your team then, since you will drop the game sooner or later anyway, right?

I don't think you could really argue that SC2 was ever at the top of anything, but it's been a few years since it was at the peak of its popularity. It sounds like they stuck it out for far longer than they would have if all they wanted to do was bandwagon something.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
December 09 2014 01:15 GMT
#38
Damn, I remember Alien Invasion with AiGolden.

I am sad that they part ways with SC2, and thank you for the ride!
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
December 09 2014 01:30 GMT
#39
On December 09 2014 09:10 pigmanbear wrote:
Hm, wonder what ReaL will go on to do now.

Didn't he go with Reis when GEM EU started up?
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ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
December 09 2014 02:47 GMT
#40
I wish teams like this would try to retain a clan status or something like that. Try not to completely let go of what Ai meant as a tag, and just withdraw for a bit. Disband is such a hard cut.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
December 09 2014 06:09 GMT
#41
Sad news,but they will be back with LoTV.
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
December 09 2014 06:12 GMT
#42
They were a good organization. never heard a complaint from Golden or Patience, and they both thrived while on the team. With their two stars leaving though this makes sense to close their doors at least temporarily until they have something worthwhile to spend their time and money on. GL in the future to all involved
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johax
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden165 Posts
December 09 2014 06:34 GMT
#43
rip in peace
Pontius Pirate
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
December 09 2014 06:43 GMT
#44
Hats off to a quality organization, and I hope to see them back for the next expansion. Hopefully Strelok and Patience will both be up for it then as well.
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wmb
Profile Joined February 2014
Sweden282 Posts
December 09 2014 07:29 GMT
#45
everything has an end i guess ;{ r.i.p AI!
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Profile Joined September 2013
United States328 Posts
December 09 2014 07:37 GMT
#46
sad to see you guys go
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Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
December 09 2014 08:14 GMT
#47
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Profile Joined December 2012
Russian Federation40 Posts
December 09 2014 08:49 GMT
#48
very bad (
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-09 09:07:34
December 09 2014 09:07 GMT
#49
On December 09 2014 11:47 ThomasjServo wrote:
I wish teams like this would try to retain a clan status or something like that. Try not to completely let go of what Ai meant as a tag, and just withdraw for a bit. Disband is such a hard cut.


Exactly my thoughts when reading the headline.

I mean, they can't possibly hate them to a point where they don't want to see/hang out with each other, right?

Why not keeping it alive even if it's not competitive anymore... ? (Even if not on SC2)
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effecto
Profile Joined February 2011
France142 Posts
December 09 2014 09:13 GMT
#50
Remember the time spent in their gaming house in Duisburg, it was awesome Best of Luck to the staff!
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Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-09 09:33:25
December 09 2014 09:32 GMT
#51
On December 09 2014 06:44 ToXiCSPA wrote:
Seems like lately we only have bad news...

that's only because the good news starts really small and becomes bigger over time (homemade teams, for example Axiom).
bad news comes suddenly and displaces/affects more people.

edit- and therefore bad news is more visible.
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 09 2014 09:47 GMT
#52
On December 09 2014 18:07 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 11:47 ThomasjServo wrote:
I wish teams like this would try to retain a clan status or something like that. Try not to completely let go of what Ai meant as a tag, and just withdraw for a bit. Disband is such a hard cut.


Exactly my thoughts when reading the headline.

I mean, they can't possibly hate them to a point where they don't want to see/hang out with each other, right?

Why not keeping it alive even if it's not competitive anymore... ? (Even if not on SC2)


Because it'd still cost money...?
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-09 10:20:16
December 09 2014 10:19 GMT
#53
On December 09 2014 18:47 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 18:07 Ragnarork wrote:
On December 09 2014 11:47 ThomasjServo wrote:
I wish teams like this would try to retain a clan status or something like that. Try not to completely let go of what Ai meant as a tag, and just withdraw for a bit. Disband is such a hard cut.


Exactly my thoughts when reading the headline.

I mean, they can't possibly hate them to a point where they don't want to see/hang out with each other, right?

Why not keeping it alive even if it's not competitive anymore... ? (Even if not on SC2)


Because it'd still cost money...?


How does it cost money to just let the name live as a clan, like how my friends and I gather around a common name (the one of our guild back in Guild Wars, even though people are more scattered today).
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ToXiCSPA
Profile Joined June 2012
Spain17 Posts
December 09 2014 11:05 GMT
#54
On December 09 2014 08:32 fruity. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 08:15 imJealous wrote:
Oftentimes we only remember the bad news.


Yep.

Can't wait for LotV.

IEM was brilliant.

Dreamhack excellent.

Redbull ran a super tournament through the year aswell.

OOOH Homestory Cup (how dare you parting!!).

Copa America.. The Taiwan esports scene is booming.. TeSL. GSL returning in '15. FragBite Masters, Code A. BasetradeTV with more coverage than you can usually watch on its own (nah.. who am I kidding there! More please). Pughy, Madals.. The foreigners catching up... Demuslim in love with nathanias (it's true). Destiny ran his own event. Kespa still there, still being Kespa! Gfinity! Go4SC2...

Holy shit I can't even remember them all.





You are right, we have a lot of tournaments in SC2 scene.
But you're missing that european and american scene is dying .
Fnatic leaving their team dies, Ai disbands, EG , Mouz ,Acer or TL not recruiting new players.

I talk as european player and I feel like we don't have any chance to sucess in this cause we're losing oportunities due to this situation. Most of players don't feel the motivation we had in 2012 (and they simply quitted) , when really felt you could get a good team.


Now the scene is turning hard for us, playing for (almost) nothing, no motivation, no posibilities.

SC2 is not only the 30-40 pro players you see in tournaments, there is thousand of players trying hard to get an opportunity, like me.

The comunity is forgeting that.
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-09 13:35:45
December 09 2014 13:08 GMT
#55
On December 09 2014 20:05 ToXiCSPA wrote:
Now the scene is turning hard for us, playing for (almost) nothing, no motivation, no posibilities.
SC2 is not only the 30-40 pro players you see in tournaments, there is thousand of players trying hard to get an opportunity, like me.
The comunity is forgeting that.


You know, you bring up a very valid point, to be honest one I hadn't considered.

But is this in the same way that a lot of kids want to be pro footballers? (no America proper football!). Lots of desire, perhaps lots of skill too, just not enough teams to go round.

And from the teams point of view isn't or wouldn't it be considerably harder to get sponsors involved into a scene like sc2? Just from the pure fact it's smaller than some games requiring ..ahem.. less skill to play.. no names ¹. Sponsors or teams I guess want bang for buck, and if the cost to a sponsor is the same for X as it is Y but Y is a bigger scene..

I was going to waffle something about SC2 is and always will be a smaller community due to the nature of the beast. Didn't we have like over 80K at most dreamhacks in the past? In the good old days.

But I thought I'd go check before I did, and wondered across this;

http://www.esportsmax.com/news/dreamhack-winter-most-viewed-dreamhack-date

Top 5 streams (Peak concurrent, one channel)
1 Dota 2 - English stream - Day 3 103,463
2 CS:GO - English stream - Day 3 97,804
3 StarCraft 2 - English stream 96,025
4 Dota 2 - Russian stream - Day 3 92,128
5 Dota 2 - English stream - Day 2 65,549

I think we're doing OK guys!!!

+ Show Spoiler +
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But then I realised this was data from one year ago.

And according to this - which is all I could find with google - reddit graph. Things aren't so good. Zero idea on the validity of it.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Oh my, it's understandable why teams are pulling out.

I feel for you ToXiCSPA, really I do, and others in the same boat.

Our benevolent overloads (aka blizzard) Need to make sure that people returning in LotV have a reason to stay beyond the campaign. The ladder system needs a big reworking in my most humble opinion, but that's a topic for another thread.

Hang in there ToXiCSPA! More practise and better quality of practise!!



¹ less skill, or more fun?
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
Rustug
Profile Joined October 2010
1488 Posts
December 09 2014 13:10 GMT
#56
On December 09 2014 20:05 ToXiCSPA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 08:32 fruity. wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:15 imJealous wrote:
Oftentimes we only remember the bad news.


Yep.

Can't wait for LotV.

IEM was brilliant.

Dreamhack excellent.

Redbull ran a super tournament through the year aswell.

OOOH Homestory Cup (how dare you parting!!).

Copa America.. The Taiwan esports scene is booming.. TeSL. GSL returning in '15. FragBite Masters, Code A. BasetradeTV with more coverage than you can usually watch on its own (nah.. who am I kidding there! More please). Pughy, Madals.. The foreigners catching up... Demuslim in love with nathanias (it's true). Destiny ran his own event. Kespa still there, still being Kespa! Gfinity! Go4SC2...

Holy shit I can't even remember them all.





You are right, we have a lot of tournaments in SC2 scene.
But you're missing that european and american scene is dying .
Fnatic leaving their team dies, Ai disbands, EG , Mouz ,Acer or TL not recruiting new players.

I talk as european player and I feel like we don't have any chance to sucess in this cause we're losing oportunities due to this situation. Most of players don't feel the motivation we had in 2012 (and they simply quitted) , when really felt you could get a good team.


Now the scene is turning hard for us, playing for (almost) nothing, no motivation, no posibilities.

SC2 is not only the 30-40 pro players you see in tournaments, there is thousand of players trying hard to get an opportunity, like me.

The comunity is forgeting that.


Why should I, as a community member, care about you.
My first interaction with you is hearing you complain in this thread and that shows me very little motivation.
If this is how you sell yourself than it's not a surprise I haven't heard of you and teams have no interest in signing you.
Stop complaining and start playing.

As for your complaints, it's the end of the year and like any other year budgets have been spend. This is the time Teams start preparing for the upcoming year. With all the changes to WCS most EU/US teams will probably want to trade their Koreans for Foreigners. Maybe keep 1 or 2 Koreans for the DreamHacks, IEM, ...
The best Foreigners have already been signed and Teams will either have to buy-out contracts from another organisation or find new talent. I'm not expecting BIG moves/announcements until a month before WCS starts.

To me this is an exciting time. We had a pretty good year. We didn't make League numbers, but we did good. I get a positive feeling when looking forward to 2015. I think foreign Top players like Snute will get even better. I think the Korean leagues, with all the talents returning from abroad, will be even more exciting. (I'm eager to build my ProLeague fantasy team). So many dates for tournaments have already been announced and more to come.

SC2 is awesome and we'll have another great year in 2015! StarCraft Fighting!
Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ"
ToXiCSPA
Profile Joined June 2012
Spain17 Posts
December 09 2014 13:36 GMT
#57
On December 09 2014 22:10 Rustug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 20:05 ToXiCSPA wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:32 fruity. wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:15 imJealous wrote:
Oftentimes we only remember the bad news.


Yep.

Can't wait for LotV.

IEM was brilliant.

Dreamhack excellent.

Redbull ran a super tournament through the year aswell.

OOOH Homestory Cup (how dare you parting!!).

Copa America.. The Taiwan esports scene is booming.. TeSL. GSL returning in '15. FragBite Masters, Code A. BasetradeTV with more coverage than you can usually watch on its own (nah.. who am I kidding there! More please). Pughy, Madals.. The foreigners catching up... Demuslim in love with nathanias (it's true). Destiny ran his own event. Kespa still there, still being Kespa! Gfinity! Go4SC2...

Holy shit I can't even remember them all.





You are right, we have a lot of tournaments in SC2 scene.
But you're missing that european and american scene is dying .
Fnatic leaving their team dies, Ai disbands, EG , Mouz ,Acer or TL not recruiting new players.

I talk as european player and I feel like we don't have any chance to sucess in this cause we're losing oportunities due to this situation. Most of players don't feel the motivation we had in 2012 (and they simply quitted) , when really felt you could get a good team.


Now the scene is turning hard for us, playing for (almost) nothing, no motivation, no posibilities.

SC2 is not only the 30-40 pro players you see in tournaments, there is thousand of players trying hard to get an opportunity, like me.

The comunity is forgeting that.


Why should I, as a community member, care about you.
My first interaction with you is hearing you complain in this thread and that shows me very little motivation.
If this is how you sell yourself than it's not a surprise I haven't heard of you and teams have no interest in signing you.
Stop complaining and start playing.



Nice words from a person who has this as signature :
' Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. 파이팅! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ" '

I'm not asking you for anything, I'm complaining about teams are one of the main responsibles in SC2 bad situation.


KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 09 2014 13:47 GMT
#58
On December 09 2014 19:19 Ragnarork wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 18:47 KeksX wrote:
On December 09 2014 18:07 Ragnarork wrote:
On December 09 2014 11:47 ThomasjServo wrote:
I wish teams like this would try to retain a clan status or something like that. Try not to completely let go of what Ai meant as a tag, and just withdraw for a bit. Disband is such a hard cut.


Exactly my thoughts when reading the headline.

I mean, they can't possibly hate them to a point where they don't want to see/hang out with each other, right?

Why not keeping it alive even if it's not competitive anymore... ? (Even if not on SC2)


Because it'd still cost money...?


How does it cost money to just let the name live as a clan, like how my friends and I gather around a common name (the one of our guild back in Guild Wars, even though people are more scattered today).


So if I form a clan now and call it Alien Invasion you'd say Alien Invasion is back?

Obviously not
But to keep all the guys and even the players you'd still have to provide cash. That is if you don't want to see random mid-masters players playing under the ai tag...
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
December 09 2014 13:51 GMT
#59
On December 09 2014 22:10 Rustug wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 20:05 ToXiCSPA wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:32 fruity. wrote:
On December 09 2014 08:15 imJealous wrote:
Oftentimes we only remember the bad news.


Yep.

Can't wait for LotV.

IEM was brilliant.

Dreamhack excellent.

Redbull ran a super tournament through the year aswell.

OOOH Homestory Cup (how dare you parting!!).

Copa America.. The Taiwan esports scene is booming.. TeSL. GSL returning in '15. FragBite Masters, Code A. BasetradeTV with more coverage than you can usually watch on its own (nah.. who am I kidding there! More please). Pughy, Madals.. The foreigners catching up... Demuslim in love with nathanias (it's true). Destiny ran his own event. Kespa still there, still being Kespa! Gfinity! Go4SC2...

Holy shit I can't even remember them all.





You are right, we have a lot of tournaments in SC2 scene.
But you're missing that european and american scene is dying .
Fnatic leaving their team dies, Ai disbands, EG , Mouz ,Acer or TL not recruiting new players.

I talk as european player and I feel like we don't have any chance to sucess in this cause we're losing oportunities due to this situation. Most of players don't feel the motivation we had in 2012 (and they simply quitted) , when really felt you could get a good team.


Now the scene is turning hard for us, playing for (almost) nothing, no motivation, no posibilities.

SC2 is not only the 30-40 pro players you see in tournaments, there is thousand of players trying hard to get an opportunity, like me.

The comunity is forgeting that.


Why should I, as a community member, care about you.
My first interaction with you is hearing you complain in this thread and that shows me very little motivation.
If this is how you sell yourself than it's not a surprise I haven't heard of you and teams have no interest in signing you.
Stop complaining and start playing.

As for your complaints, it's the end of the year and like any other year budgets have been spend. This is the time Teams start preparing for the upcoming year. With all the changes to WCS most EU/US teams will probably want to trade their Koreans for Foreigners. Maybe keep 1 or 2 Koreans for the DreamHacks, IEM, ...
The best Foreigners have already been signed and Teams will either have to buy-out contracts from another organisation or find new talent. I'm not expecting BIG moves/announcements until a month before WCS starts.

To me this is an exciting time. We had a pretty good year. We didn't make League numbers, but we did good. I get a positive feeling when looking forward to 2015. I think foreign Top players like Snute will get even better. I think the Korean leagues, with all the talents returning from abroad, will be even more exciting. (I'm eager to build my ProLeague fantasy team). So many dates for tournaments have already been announced and more to come.

SC2 is awesome and we'll have another great year in 2015! StarCraft Fighting!


Everywhere the jump from amateur to pro is hard outside of Korea (where it is not easy either), because you have not only be good in what you are doing, the people arround you have to accept what you do. If you parents insist that you have to focus on something "more worth" then video games, you wount have enough training time to become something. When you are 14-18 years old, it is the time to increase your skill by training, but some mother, father or teacher will tell you to do something more worth then playing video games. Players like Maru or Life are unthinkable here in EU or US.
If you want to jump from Amateur to Pro, you only have one thing to do: Train, but this dedication is hard. Training 2-3 hours a day will keep you down and you will lose alot of the experience and time other teenagers will have next to you. In korea this dedication is accepted, yeah parents even support their children. In Europe or US? Never seen that.


For the Situation of Starcraft II itself:
2014 gone neither worse or bad: In Korea, SPL was a succes, GSL, still with Studiofinals, went not bad and KespaCup and Hot6 went well. Korean StarCraft II should be boosted much more next year with 3 Kespa Cups, GSL, SSL, SPL and more to go. When we say 2013 was the worst year of korean Starcraft II, 2015 will be far better. Also in China and Taiwan Starcraft II becomes better and better: YoeFWs cooperation with Startale, the Tesl runs decent, IEM will go to Taipeh, Taiwan Open was a succes. In China we see more and more tournaments organised by the ministery of sport. And the GPL rises. I think not only Korea, but whole Asia will have 2015 a good year.

In NA and EU I have very mixed feelings:
RedBull made some amazing Events last year and I am shure they will run a new series of events next year, Gfinity starts to roll with a series of 4 Major and maybe one Premiere event, IEM IX has one Event less then IEM VIII, Dreamhacks views were falling quite abit, also HSC X had abouzt 15% less viewers then HSC IX and not even half of the viewers of SSC II (Hearthstone). Will MLG do another event 2015? Or even start a new series of Events? Nobody knows what impact the new WCS system will have and the great return of koreans, while a handfull will still compete in the new WCS: How will the Ladder skill develop, especially in EU, where you cant play lagfree on Kr? And Ladder is for most player outside of a teamhouse still their main training ground. How will the viewers accept the new WCS? Will they watch it because their home heros will play more? Or will there be less viewers because they expect the skill lvl to drop? Will the players use the money rain of the new WCS to concentraite their whole life on Starcraft II or will they just take what they can with a decent amount of training and concentrate on jobs, studies or school? And which foreigners will go to Korea thus leaving the WCS so that there is a local hero less to chear for?

I see a lot of ??? for western Starcraft II and a good year for korean. But not everything is going well, the drop of viewers we could see during events is quite alot and has to be taken into account.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
December 09 2014 15:56 GMT
#60
On December 09 2014 22:47 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2014 19:19 Ragnarork wrote:
On December 09 2014 18:47 KeksX wrote:
On December 09 2014 18:07 Ragnarork wrote:
On December 09 2014 11:47 ThomasjServo wrote:
I wish teams like this would try to retain a clan status or something like that. Try not to completely let go of what Ai meant as a tag, and just withdraw for a bit. Disband is such a hard cut.


Exactly my thoughts when reading the headline.

I mean, they can't possibly hate them to a point where they don't want to see/hang out with each other, right?

Why not keeping it alive even if it's not competitive anymore... ? (Even if not on SC2)


Because it'd still cost money...?


How does it cost money to just let the name live as a clan, like how my friends and I gather around a common name (the one of our guild back in Guild Wars, even though people are more scattered today).


So if I form a clan now and call it Alien Invasion you'd say Alien Invasion is back?

Obviously not
But to keep all the guys and even the players you'd still have to provide cash. That is if you don't want to see random mid-masters players playing under the ai tag...


No, that's not the point. The name is tied to the people of course. No I mean it like for most of the people involved in Ai (not the players, as they'll maybe want to find a new team, and were "hired" in the first place). If they stop competitive stuff, that doesn't prevent them from keeping Ai alive as a clan and not a team, reforming the day they get enough passion + motivation to start again.
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Profile Joined January 2013
United States172 Posts
December 10 2014 00:33 GMT
#61
Blame the developers.
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imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
December 10 2014 19:30 GMT
#62
ToXiC, your point is valid! When I quoted you I simply wanted to point out that there is lots of good news as well. I am sorry that it is not the news you are looking for
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
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