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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
November 11 2014 20:08 GMT
#161
On November 12 2014 02:32 TronJovolta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 21:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
Rottie's response re: Protoss deserving more units struck me as a bit unfair. He said that he expected better from LOTV after what HOTS gave Protoss... HOTS gave Protoss 3 units, but he forgot entirely about the Tempest, didn't think the MSC should be counted, and only counted the Oracle at all.

Everyone asking for more Protoss units, you guys do realize that if LOTV shipped tomorrow, Protoss would have 18, Terran would have 16, and Zerg would have 15, right? It's cool to want new toys to play with and all, but maybe it's also time to start asking if Protoss really needs every one of those 18 and whether every one of those 18 does something interesting enough to deserve being a unit.

I do favor the theory of fewer, three-dimensional units whenever possible.


Too true!

I'd like to add to that, that the fact that LOTV brings us the Protoss campaign (and as such is seen as the Protoss expansion) is NOT a reason to say Protoss deserves the most new stuff. The multiplayer has nothing to do with the theme of the expansion.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
cpower
Profile Joined October 2013
228 Posts
November 11 2014 20:16 GMT
#162
On November 11 2014 21:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
Rottie's response re: Protoss deserving more units struck me as a bit unfair. He said that he expected better from LOTV after what HOTS gave Protoss... HOTS gave Protoss 3 units, but he forgot entirely about the Tempest, didn't think the MSC should be counted, and only counted the Oracle at all.

Everyone asking for more Protoss units, you guys do realize that if LOTV shipped tomorrow, Protoss would have 18, Terran would have 16, and Zerg would have 15, right? It's cool to want new toys to play with and all, but maybe it's also time to start asking if Protoss really needs every one of those 18 and whether every one of those 18 does something interesting enough to deserve being a unit.

I do favor the theory of fewer, three-dimensional units whenever possible.

Tempest is a bad unit, slightly more useful than Carrier, but still bad. You see them in some late game pvp (10%) and turtle style pvz (less than 10%) It's reasonable that he totally forgot about it.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
November 11 2014 20:48 GMT
#163
How could Rottie forget the Tempest when he's the inventor and curator of the proxy tempest build?
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 11 2014 20:50 GMT
#164
On November 11 2014 21:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
Rottie's response re: Protoss deserving more units struck me as a bit unfair. He said that he expected better from LOTV after what HOTS gave Protoss... HOTS gave Protoss 3 units, but he forgot entirely about the Tempest, didn't think the MSC should be counted, and only counted the Oracle at all.

Everyone asking for more Protoss units, you guys do realize that if LOTV shipped tomorrow, Protoss would have 18, Terran would have 16, and Zerg would have 15, right? It's cool to want new toys to play with and all, but maybe it's also time to start asking if Protoss really needs every one of those 18 and whether every one of those 18 does something interesting enough to deserve being a unit.

I do favor the theory of fewer, three-dimensional units whenever possible.

Well we've been trying to get rid of the colossus for 4+ years now :p
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odem
Profile Joined August 2011
143 Posts
November 11 2014 22:43 GMT
#165
Scarlett nailed it.
If Blizzard is trying changes they should always ask her first if it makes sense.
This way 90% of stupid ideas could be shut down even before the average starcarft folks would have to deal with it!
kthxbye
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 11 2014 22:46 GMT
#166
On November 12 2014 05:16 cpower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 21:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
Rottie's response re: Protoss deserving more units struck me as a bit unfair. He said that he expected better from LOTV after what HOTS gave Protoss... HOTS gave Protoss 3 units, but he forgot entirely about the Tempest, didn't think the MSC should be counted, and only counted the Oracle at all.

Everyone asking for more Protoss units, you guys do realize that if LOTV shipped tomorrow, Protoss would have 18, Terran would have 16, and Zerg would have 15, right? It's cool to want new toys to play with and all, but maybe it's also time to start asking if Protoss really needs every one of those 18 and whether every one of those 18 does something interesting enough to deserve being a unit.

I do favor the theory of fewer, three-dimensional units whenever possible.

Tempest is a bad unit, slightly more useful than Carrier, but still bad. You see them in some late game pvp (10%) and turtle style pvz (less than 10%) It's reasonable that he totally forgot about it.

And how exactly this has any connection to his comment?
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EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
November 11 2014 23:04 GMT
#167
We should start a poll asking how high david kim was when he designed the cyclone
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
November 11 2014 23:31 GMT
#168
On November 12 2014 05:50 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 21:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
Rottie's response re: Protoss deserving more units struck me as a bit unfair. He said that he expected better from LOTV after what HOTS gave Protoss... HOTS gave Protoss 3 units, but he forgot entirely about the Tempest, didn't think the MSC should be counted, and only counted the Oracle at all.

Everyone asking for more Protoss units, you guys do realize that if LOTV shipped tomorrow, Protoss would have 18, Terran would have 16, and Zerg would have 15, right? It's cool to want new toys to play with and all, but maybe it's also time to start asking if Protoss really needs every one of those 18 and whether every one of those 18 does something interesting enough to deserve being a unit.

I do favor the theory of fewer, three-dimensional units whenever possible.

Well we've been trying to get rid of the colossus for 4+ years now :p

Yay, remove colossus and give toss 2 new toys, sounds great for everyone
And if the tempest is not supposed to counter broodlords, BCs and colossi, and is not used vs Swarmhost turtle (we are getting rid of that right?), then might as well remove it and give something that is not as tech heavy.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
November 11 2014 23:35 GMT
#169
On November 12 2014 08:31 Superbanana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2014 05:50 Plexa wrote:
On November 11 2014 21:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
Rottie's response re: Protoss deserving more units struck me as a bit unfair. He said that he expected better from LOTV after what HOTS gave Protoss... HOTS gave Protoss 3 units, but he forgot entirely about the Tempest, didn't think the MSC should be counted, and only counted the Oracle at all.

Everyone asking for more Protoss units, you guys do realize that if LOTV shipped tomorrow, Protoss would have 18, Terran would have 16, and Zerg would have 15, right? It's cool to want new toys to play with and all, but maybe it's also time to start asking if Protoss really needs every one of those 18 and whether every one of those 18 does something interesting enough to deserve being a unit.

I do favor the theory of fewer, three-dimensional units whenever possible.

Well we've been trying to get rid of the colossus for 4+ years now :p

Yay, remove colossus and give toss 2 new toys, sounds great for everyone
And if the tempest is not supposed to counter broodlords, BCs and colossi, and is not used vs Swarmhost turtle (we are getting rid of that right?), then might as well remove it and give something that is not as tech heavy.

Well it outranges lurkers.
Zerg are forced to use abduct against tempest?

Would be kinda sad if that was the case.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
November 11 2014 23:36 GMT
#170
On November 12 2014 05:50 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 21:16 pure.Wasted wrote:
Rottie's response re: Protoss deserving more units struck me as a bit unfair. He said that he expected better from LOTV after what HOTS gave Protoss... HOTS gave Protoss 3 units, but he forgot entirely about the Tempest, didn't think the MSC should be counted, and only counted the Oracle at all.

Everyone asking for more Protoss units, you guys do realize that if LOTV shipped tomorrow, Protoss would have 18, Terran would have 16, and Zerg would have 15, right? It's cool to want new toys to play with and all, but maybe it's also time to start asking if Protoss really needs every one of those 18 and whether every one of those 18 does something interesting enough to deserve being a unit.

I do favor the theory of fewer, three-dimensional units whenever possible.

Well we've been trying to get rid of the colossus for 4+ years now :p


God bless and godspeed.
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J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
November 12 2014 00:41 GMT
#171
On November 11 2014 10:21 Firnafth wrote:
Roughly transcribed the Polt interview for fun. If you think this is tolerable, I will do more for this thread. I will also edit them so they have better grammar. I just wanted to get this one done quickly :D

+ Show Spoiler +
Seeker: Polt, how are you?

Polt: Hi, Pretty good.

Seeker: So Polt, you are here in Anaheim, the Blizzcon Grand Finals Stage. How do you feel being in this kind of environment right now?

Polt: Everyone knows that Blizzcon tournament is the best tournament for Starcraft 2 players, and, it is glorious to be here as a player.

Seeker: Now, Polt, I'm sure many fans are going to wonder what's going to happen to you for 2015. You are here living in America so still going to participate in WCS America, so a lot of the fans are wondering what is your plan, what are you going to do, what will we expect from Polt for 2015?

Polt: The year 2015 will be pretty much the same as 2014 for me. I will be staying in America for the whole year and playing in WCS America, I don't know if I need to say America or Europe, but anyways, the combined WCS, so it's basically the same.

I will participate in a lot of foreign tournaments like IEM or Dreamhack, so I think I have a lot of chance to win another trophy and show my games to my fans.

Seeker: So, Polt, I'm sure a lot of fans are curious about this, because you are actually one of the few players who got to experience LotV, you actually got into the finals of the exhibition matches with your partner SoO. So the fans want to know, I want to know, everyone wants to know how do you feel about the LotV changes, the worker changes, the mineral changes, how do you feel about these changes, are they good, are they bad?

Polt: Yeah, all of the players and David Kim talked about that a lot because David Kim and balance they wanted to hear the pro players' opinion and the pro players want to hear why they make those changes.

So, the conclusion is basically most of people think the beginning of the game is kind of boring, because if one of the players doesn't do something proxy, then basically it's the same, they just mine minerals make workers and expand; they they wanted to delete that part and jump into the next part.

And the mineral change is, there is like Protoss or Terran just defend, defend, defend, build 200 army and go out, that's not the situation the balance team wanted, so they want to change that. Since the mineral patches reduced to 1000, players need to expand more and more, that makes more engagements to happen, and possibly nothing like just making swarm hosts and defending or just making mech and defending. That's not going to happen in LotV.

Seeker: I see. Thank you very much Polt. So all 3 races we have new units and a lot of changes have occurred. Tell us, which race do you think is the strongest race, which race is the weakest race, which race do you think got the most benefit out of all these changes that occurred?

Polt: It's very difficult to say because we are not used to playing that game, it's totally new, we just played like a few games, maybe more than 10 games, but it's just not enough to get into that game.

So, but, as far as we talked about that, all of the pro players here concluded that Zerg is the strongest, Terran is pretty close to Zerg, and Protoss is so weak.

Seeker: Thank you Polt, those were some great insights on changes that occurred with LotV.

Now, those changes aren't final, but for now, you heard what Polt's opinion about the changes for LotV was. I think that LotV has potential to be an amazing game, an amazing expansion.

Now Polt, do you have some words for the fans who love you, who scream out your name every time you win a championship?

Polt: Actually, I'm really sorry, because I lost in Ro16. It was not expected to me, I think. But, I have a lot of tournaments coming up, one will be IEM San Jose, that will be great, I don't know about next year, I will have WCS America and other IEM and Dreamhack tournaments, things like that. So, I think I'm sure I'm going to win at least another championship trophy, so please keep cheering for me. everyone knows I live in America and I love American fans. Thank you.

Seeker: There you go, that was Polt, he loves his American fans and he wants you to keep cheering for him, and we will because we know he is one of the greatest Terran players out there right now. This is Seeker from Team Liquid, signing out for now.

Thank you!
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 00:57:48
November 12 2014 00:44 GMT
#172
BTW I think one thing to take into account is that watching videos eats up bandwidth, text really doesn't. So transcription is easier for literally everybody except the interviewer (who possibly needs to transcribe the questions anyway).

Still appreciate the videos though!
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
J. Corsair
Profile Joined June 2014
United States470 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-12 00:57:34
November 12 2014 00:57 GMT
#173
double post
“...it is human nature, I suppose, to be futile and ridiculous.” - Scaramouche
Eiltonn
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany307 Posts
November 12 2014 02:59 GMT
#174
So Bomber and MMA Interviews are still being uploaded right?
I <3 Mvp
wishr
Profile Joined February 2012
Russian Federation262 Posts
November 12 2014 08:06 GMT
#175
On November 11 2014 05:46 purakushi wrote:

+1 for Suppy mentioning BW pathfinding and Lalush's Depth of Micro

Last chance, Blizzard.

Yeah, thats a great point!
* Only girls complain about balance! *
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
November 12 2014 08:43 GMT
#176
Suppy gets it. I'm so happy that he is calling Blizzard out on the whole "people wouldn't understand this". It is such a lame excuse, and it prevents much of the very basic micro with their workarounds.
Go try StarBow on the Arcade. TL thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440661
Iznogood
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark21 Posts
November 12 2014 08:57 GMT
#177
What YEAR are the last interviews coming up ?
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
November 12 2014 17:38 GMT
#178
On November 12 2014 17:57 Iznogood wrote:
What YEAR are the last interviews coming up ?

2014. I'll try to get to them sometime this week.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Broodwurst
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1586 Posts
November 12 2014 18:07 GMT
#179
Invest 100 bucks for a reasonable mic plz... or learn how to hold a mic while covering your nose with your pointer finger.
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0mg_t1red
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation104 Posts
November 12 2014 18:34 GMT
#180
how soon will we have MMA and Bomber vids ?)
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