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Blizzard announces 2015 WCS changes - Page 17

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mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
November 01 2014 06:55 GMT
#321
I'll admit that I didn't watch any NA or EU events this year. But with this unified league, I am interested in who is the top foreigner.
Dare to live the life you have dreamed for yourself. Go forward and make your dreams come true. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
November 01 2014 06:57 GMT
#322
On November 01 2014 15:55 mishimaBeef wrote:
I'll admit that I didn't watch any NA or EU events this year. But with this unified league, I am interested in who is the top foreigner.


Chinese viewers, EU and NA all together? Hopefully these events start returning some really high viewer numbers. I would like that a lot.
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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
November 01 2014 07:27 GMT
#323
haha this makes more sense now

it's foreigners vs korea. we can truly see who is the foreign hope. scarlett? snute? who knows

+ Show Spoiler +
it's avilo
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 07:30:09
November 01 2014 07:27 GMT
#324
Wait what so Korea practically gets 2 WCS's now?? The SpoTV league is the same WCS value as a GSL?

And then the rest of the world has to fight for a single third WCS.... hmmm

I guess it's a good for koreans since they have 2 choices in their own country now, I wonder if they are allowed to participate in both though? That would mean double chances which would be weird.

Man this change hit me with a hammer lol didn't expect it at all. I wonder if this is beneficial for foreigners in the end.... koreans go back to korea, worse practice on ladder, 32 less premier league spots....
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 01 2014 07:35 GMT
#325
On November 01 2014 16:27 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Wait what so Korea practically gets 2 WCS's now?? The SpoTV league is the same WCS value as a GSL?

And then the rest of the world has to fight for a single third WCS.... hmmm

I guess it's a good for koreans since they have 2 choices in their own country now, I wonder if they are allowed to participate in both though? That would mean double chances which would be weird.

Man this change hit me with a hammer lol didn't expect it at all. I wonder if this is beneficial for foreigners in the end.... koreans go back to korea, worse practice on ladder, 32 less premier league spots....

OP says players can play in both.

Graphs show that GSL will be as normal, and SPOTV will be just "code S" equivalent. Qualify into a RO32, and it plays out - no code A or anything. So every season you play a qualifier to get a shot, once you're out, that's it.
Refer to my post.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
November 01 2014 07:40 GMT
#326
OH wow....That's really good
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
November 01 2014 07:44 GMT
#327
Finally.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 07:51:57
November 01 2014 07:45 GMT
#328
On November 01 2014 16:35 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 16:27 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Wait what so Korea practically gets 2 WCS's now?? The SpoTV league is the same WCS value as a GSL?

And then the rest of the world has to fight for a single third WCS.... hmmm

I guess it's a good for koreans since they have 2 choices in their own country now, I wonder if they are allowed to participate in both though? That would mean double chances which would be weird.

Man this change hit me with a hammer lol didn't expect it at all. I wonder if this is beneficial for foreigners in the end.... koreans go back to korea, worse practice on ladder, 32 less premier league spots....

OP says players can play in both.

Graphs show that GSL will be as normal, and SPOTV will be just "code S" equivalent. Qualify into a RO32, and it plays out - no code A or anything. So every season you play a qualifier to get a shot, once you're out, that's it.

Thats strange, so the best koreans get double tournaments? How will this broaden the korean scene then? Like if they had to choose between the 2 then there would be more room for B-teamers or up and comers. Now Zest and friends will take all just like before...

A real venue for WCSworldwithoutkorea RO16 is really cool though!!
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
November 01 2014 08:05 GMT
#329
On November 01 2014 08:14 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 08:14 sharkie wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:13 Faefae wrote:

Here we go.
Fuck.
T_T


Why does he only have a working holiday visa in the first place?


Because getting anything else is very difficult.

He had a woking visa...
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 01 2014 08:09 GMT
#330
Wait what. I don't get it. Wasn't the region lock thing supposed to give more exposure and money to the foreigners? And isn't this doing the exact opposite, considering it reduces by half the number of players that we would have had in WCS Premier EU + NA? I mean players like Neeb, Miniraiser, Starbuck, etc are going to have a really rough time getting into Premier. Also I'm curious about which Koreans are going to be able to compete. Polt and Violet seem 100% sure, maybe hydra and SuNo too (so already half of NA's spots filled)? In EU well ForGG, and who else? I really hope the mYi Koreans will be allowed to stay, it would be such a shame if mYi's entire recruitment and management policy was killed by this.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 01 2014 08:10 GMT
#331
On November 01 2014 17:05 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 08:14 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:14 sharkie wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:13 Faefae wrote:
https://twitter.com/ForGG1/status/528323647593656320
Here we go.
Fuck.
T_T


Why does he only have a working holiday visa in the first place?


Because getting anything else is very difficult.

He had a woking visa...

Wait ForGG won't be able to compete?
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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
November 01 2014 08:20 GMT
#332
On November 01 2014 17:10 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 17:05 Aeromi wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:14 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:14 sharkie wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:13 Faefae wrote:
https://twitter.com/ForGG1/status/528323647593656320
Here we go.
Fuck.
T_T


Why does he only have a working holiday visa in the first place?


Because getting anything else is very difficult.

He had a woking visa...

Wait ForGG won't be able to compete?

We are still waiting Llewellys to answer this question.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
November 01 2014 08:28 GMT
#333
On November 01 2014 12:35 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 12:31 ZenithM wrote:
I don't know if it's bad for foreigners or not, if it's bad I'm sorry for them, but the thing is, I'd rather watch good players than see awful play being rewarded with money. If we destroy SC2 as an eSportS by not encouraging awful foreigner play, then so be it, let's destroy the eSportZz.
And it might actually make me watch pure foreigner games now :D


The thing is, a lot of people could actually be good if any spots actually paid, lol. Being bad for a lot people is cause, I don't know, they have to work instead of practicing. In a sense, by determining how many spots pay, you're also determining how many people will end up being good and how many will play your game. Blizzard doesn't get it. They never will.

I don't know. Aspiring pro-gamers are young, either they have to work and then tough luck, or they are students. I can't imagine there aren't some students out there supported by whatever (their parents or scholarships, read) willing to play this game. And when I was a student (well I was a paid student which is even luckier), I had all the time in the world to play 10 hours a day. Not such bad conditions.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 01 2014 08:33 GMT
#334
On November 01 2014 17:20 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 17:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On November 01 2014 17:05 Aeromi wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:14 Zealously wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:14 sharkie wrote:
On November 01 2014 08:13 Faefae wrote:
https://twitter.com/ForGG1/status/528323647593656320
Here we go.
Fuck.
T_T


Why does he only have a working holiday visa in the first place?


Because getting anything else is very difficult.

He had a woking visa...

Wait ForGG won't be able to compete?

We are still waiting Llewellys to answer this question.

If this new system does not allow Koreans who actually live in foreign countries to compete, there won't be any Koreans on the EU/NA ladder and it's going to be really bad for the foreigners' skill level in the long term... I really hope players like ForGG will get recognition from Blizzard for what they have done and won't suffer too much from this new system...
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Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 08:36:32
November 01 2014 08:34 GMT
#335
as long as ESL does it~ i hope!

edit: ok upon further inspection, my reading comprehension sucks! gogo ESL!
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
November 01 2014 08:36 GMT
#336
Woah, I love the detail that each season all players from premier have to fight for their spot with the new players from challenger qualifiers! I'm just not sure about having two live studios at the same time. You're likely to end up with mixed groups so players from America will have to fly to Germany and vice versa.
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
November 01 2014 08:41 GMT
#337
I like these changes. I might actually start watching again next year.
All I do is Stim.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
November 01 2014 08:53 GMT
#338
wow, seriously the best thing ever just happened for me personally in Starcraft. Not interested in EU/NA WCS at all this year, now I will likely end up watching the unified one. And Korea? Well, Korea will just get better with more leagues, more matches, more tournaments and more players. Fucking YAY!
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lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
November 01 2014 09:00 GMT
#339
On November 01 2014 17:36 Zax19 wrote:
I'm just not sure about having two live studios at the same time. You're likely to end up with mixed groups so players from America will have to fly to Germany and vice versa.

Theoretically Blizzard could be stingy and just send the 'Taiwan guys' (who might in fact be Koreans) to Cologne and be done with it.

On the other hand, most players have to be flown in anyway, since they don't live near LA or Cologne and in the end we are talking about just one day of group play anyway.
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
November 01 2014 09:20 GMT
#340
I have one big concern with this plan. Will the lack of koreans to practice with be detrimental to EU players that were catching up (at least a bit)?? I'd like to hear some players opinion about it.

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