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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 02:02:49
November 01 2014 02:02 GMT
#281
Now if I'm egoistic for a second and think about it from a viewer perspective. This surely will be an entertaining tournament to watch if it looks anything like this:


Europe:

(T)Bunny
(T)Happy
(T)Kas
(T)Dayshi
(Z)Snute
(Z)TLO
(Z)VortiX
(Z)TargA
(Z)Nerchio
(P)Harstem
(P)ShoWTimE
(P)Lilbow
(P)MaNa
(P)Welmu


North America:

(T)Polt
(T)qxc
(Z)viOLet
(Z)Scarlett
(Z)Kane
(P)HuK
(P)Minigun
(P)puCK


China:

(T)XY
(Z)XiGua
(P)Jim
(P)MacSed


Latin Ameica:

(T)MajOr
(Z)JimRiSiNg


Oceania Sout East Asia:

(T)iaguz
(Z)PiG



Taiwan

(Z)Sen
(P)Has
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 01 2014 02:03 GMT
#282
I think Petraeus might be doing better than PiG right now but I haven't seen a ton of both to confirm that
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 01 2014 02:05 GMT
#283
On November 01 2014 11:03 Shellshock wrote:
I think Petraeus might be doing better than PiG right now but I haven't seen a ton of both to confirm that


Indeed, actually forgot about him, but there are of course lots of players you could switch out with another.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 02:07:38
November 01 2014 02:07 GMT
#284
Here it is.

Only thing I don't like is that they are letting the pseudo-invitationals continue and the rich will continue to get richer in that respect. 25% for qualifiers is not enough, particularly when you can then further break that down into regionals. HSC should not be getting WCS points when it's a glorified invitational inviting people TaKeTV likes plus lip-service to qualifiers with only 2 spots for Koreans (and the qualifier ends up being a better tournament than the main event as a result of the talent pool).

Frankly it should be minimum 50% qualifiers if you want any WCS points and I hope they change that before 2015 season starts.

Aside from that it's great. There aren't 32 good Americans or 32 good Europeans, so if you want games that don't suck, merging the talents pools is the way to do it.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
for_the_swarm
Profile Joined September 2013
United States48 Posts
November 01 2014 02:09 GMT
#285
On November 01 2014 11:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
There aren't 32 good Americans or 32 good Europeans, so if you want games that don't suck, merging the talents pools is the way to do it.


lol i love totalbiscuit
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9388 Posts
November 01 2014 02:10 GMT
#286
Seems like a pretty good solution overall. The issue with region locking and seperating NA and EU would be that the majority of the viewers wouldn't be interested in watching the bottom-tiers of those foreigners. By combining it, I think it will be a lot more interesting to watch.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18412 Posts
November 01 2014 02:10 GMT
#287
On November 01 2014 11:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Here it is.

Only thing I don't like is that they are letting the pseudo-invitationals continue and the rich will continue to get richer in that respect. 25% for qualifiers is not enough, particularly when you can then further break that down into regionals. HSC should not be getting WCS points when it's a glorified invitational inviting people TaKeTV likes plus lip-service to qualifiers with only 2 spots for Koreans (and the qualifier ends up being a better tournament than the main event as a result of the talent pool).

Frankly it should be minimum 50% qualifiers if you want any WCS points and I hope they change that before 2015 season starts.

Aside from that it's great. There aren't 32 good Americans or 32 good Europeans, so if you want games that don't suck, merging the talents pools is the way to do it.


I agree. All these tournaments have way too many invitations. Tournament spots should be earned, not gifted
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
November 01 2014 02:11 GMT
#288
I like this. It wouldnt have worked if so much money wasnt being dumped into the korean scene. But now there will be 9 premier tourneys in Korea next season, so this all makes total sense.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 01 2014 02:11 GMT
#289
On November 01 2014 11:10 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 11:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Here it is.

Only thing I don't like is that they are letting the pseudo-invitationals continue and the rich will continue to get richer in that respect. 25% for qualifiers is not enough, particularly when you can then further break that down into regionals. HSC should not be getting WCS points when it's a glorified invitational inviting people TaKeTV likes plus lip-service to qualifiers with only 2 spots for Koreans (and the qualifier ends up being a better tournament than the main event as a result of the talent pool).

Frankly it should be minimum 50% qualifiers if you want any WCS points and I hope they change that before 2015 season starts.

Aside from that it's great. There aren't 32 good Americans or 32 good Europeans, so if you want games that don't suck, merging the talents pools is the way to do it.


I agree. All these tournaments have way too many invitations. Tournament spots should be earned, not gifted


Or at least not give WCS points. I want HSC to stay invite based, but it should just not give WCS points.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
November 01 2014 02:12 GMT
#290
Guess Goswser will be forced to retire by Blizzard. What a loss for us. It's just not fair man!
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ItzShakti
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil43 Posts
November 01 2014 02:14 GMT
#291
Challenger is so small now
I really like apollo
okramv
Profile Joined November 2012
Cuba30 Posts
November 01 2014 02:16 GMT
#292
Will this help any other team than Liquid support sc2 foreigners??
youtube.com/user/vanillafeature (mostly CS higlights)
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
November 01 2014 02:19 GMT
#293
On November 01 2014 11:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Here it is.

Only thing I don't like is that they are letting the pseudo-invitationals continue and the rich will continue to get richer in that respect. 25% for qualifiers is not enough, particularly when you can then further break that down into regionals. HSC should not be getting WCS points when it's a glorified invitational inviting people TaKeTV likes plus lip-service to qualifiers with only 2 spots for Koreans (and the qualifier ends up being a better tournament than the main event as a result of the talent pool).

Frankly it should be minimum 50% qualifiers if you want any WCS points and I hope they change that before 2015 season starts.

Aside from that it's great. There aren't 32 good Americans or 32 good Europeans, so if you want games that don't suck, merging the talents pools is the way to do it.


I really, really agree with this.

At first, I was opposed to the visa restrictions because I thought it was nothing more than foreigner affirmative action. Giving 2 WCS tournaments for Korea and a combined one for the rest of the world is more in line with the talent pool in each region.
SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
November 01 2014 02:19 GMT
#294
nah i expect all the free agent koreans at this point to get picked up while the foreigners get released/retire.
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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 02:23:45
November 01 2014 02:22 GMT
#295
I like these changes, but man does this suck for ForGG. He was literally the guy all the euro pros would cite for paving the way to a better ladder. A lot of the early "Foreign Koreans" took a risk moving and a few have established lives in new countries. Shame Blizzard didn't give them ample time to get their visas in order.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
November 01 2014 02:22 GMT
#296
poor china
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 01 2014 02:33 GMT
#297
http://www.aceresport.com/en/pros_react_to_wcs_2015_changes.htm

Opinions on the changes from pros and managers, casters etc...

Also states that MMA will still be on Acer and they are already working on letting him go back to competing and living in Korea again. Is there space in the Axiom house I wonder? Or maybe they will partner with another team for Proleague and he stays with them?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
olol
Profile Joined August 2014
33 Posts
November 01 2014 02:40 GMT
#298
On November 01 2014 11:11 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 11:10 sharkie wrote:
On November 01 2014 11:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Here it is.

Only thing I don't like is that they are letting the pseudo-invitationals continue and the rich will continue to get richer in that respect. 25% for qualifiers is not enough, particularly when you can then further break that down into regionals. HSC should not be getting WCS points when it's a glorified invitational inviting people TaKeTV likes plus lip-service to qualifiers with only 2 spots for Koreans (and the qualifier ends up being a better tournament than the main event as a result of the talent pool).

Frankly it should be minimum 50% qualifiers if you want any WCS points and I hope they change that before 2015 season starts.

Aside from that it's great. There aren't 32 good Americans or 32 good Europeans, so if you want games that don't suck, merging the talents pools is the way to do it.


I agree. All these tournaments have way too many invitations. Tournament spots should be earned, not gifted


Or at least not give WCS points. I want HSC to stay invite based, but it should just not give WCS points.


I agree with HSC, a HSC with 90% koreans who don't speak english just wouldn't be that entertaining.

Sometimes gameplay isn't everything...
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 02:53:09
November 01 2014 02:52 GMT
#299
On November 01 2014 11:40 olol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 11:11 Musicus wrote:
On November 01 2014 11:10 sharkie wrote:
On November 01 2014 11:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Here it is.

Only thing I don't like is that they are letting the pseudo-invitationals continue and the rich will continue to get richer in that respect. 25% for qualifiers is not enough, particularly when you can then further break that down into regionals. HSC should not be getting WCS points when it's a glorified invitational inviting people TaKeTV likes plus lip-service to qualifiers with only 2 spots for Koreans (and the qualifier ends up being a better tournament than the main event as a result of the talent pool).

Frankly it should be minimum 50% qualifiers if you want any WCS points and I hope they change that before 2015 season starts.

Aside from that it's great. There aren't 32 good Americans or 32 good Europeans, so if you want games that don't suck, merging the talents pools is the way to do it.


I agree. All these tournaments have way too many invitations. Tournament spots should be earned, not gifted


Or at least not give WCS points. I want HSC to stay invite based, but it should just not give WCS points.


I agree with HSC, a HSC with 90% koreans who don't speak english just wouldn't be that entertaining.

Sometimes gameplay isn't everything...


Fine by me. Stop giving WCS points to a tournament thats mostly about drinking and poker might be a good idea.


Also states that MMA will still be on Acer and they are already working on letting him go back to competing and living in Korea again. Is there space in the Axiom house I wonder?


MMA has always had a spot in the Axiom house. That hasn't changed.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Spect8rCraft
Profile Joined December 2012
649 Posts
November 01 2014 02:56 GMT
#300
Uhh...

...Well, firstly the Korean tournaments are nice. Not sure how that's gonna turn out (like, will players be evenly distributed, or will one gain more fame/notoriety than the other, so on and so forth). But at the very least it opens up a lot of opportunities for the Koreans coming back.

I'm not too keen on a unified WCS league. I mean, it's good in and of itself, probably done in opportunity cost with the second Korean league. But damn, that really shrinks down visibility for non-Korean players.

...Actually, it might not be too significant for Europeans, since Europe tends to host a variety of events anyway. And it probably won't hurt SEA/Oceania more than the current system. We'll see what happens with 'Murica, though.

So maybe things will work out.
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