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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 01 2014 01:15 GMT
#261
On November 01 2014 10:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So for the WCS NA+EU one you will always be in challenger next season?
That's kinda odd tbh

Yeah, but maybe I don't understand it well. I feel like when you get top 8 (top 16 being maybe a bit too much), you should be automatically qualified for the next season.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
olol
Profile Joined August 2014
33 Posts
November 01 2014 01:16 GMT
#262
On November 01 2014 10:12 mikumegurine wrote:
Snute vs Scarlett

Z v Z grandfinals

yeaaaaaa!!

oh wait...its going to be Polt vs Violet... probably..


Maybe Polt but Violet isn't that good.
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 01:19:08
November 01 2014 01:18 GMT
#263
On November 01 2014 10:16 olol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 10:12 mikumegurine wrote:
Snute vs Scarlett

Z v Z grandfinals

yeaaaaaa!!

oh wait...its going to be Polt vs Violet... probably..


Maybe Polt but Violet isn't that good.


violets slowly but surely regaining his previous elite Code S skills
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
November 01 2014 01:18 GMT
#264
Unfortunately Redeye's idea doesn't fix the lack of korean tournament situation so the b (and hell, some A teamers) have something to do all year long. I much prefer the effective changes
Refer to my post.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
November 01 2014 01:19 GMT
#265
On November 01 2014 10:18 Zenbrez wrote:
Unfortunately Redeye's idea doesn't fix the lack of korean tournament situation so the b (and hell, some A teamers) have something to do all year long. I much prefer the effective changes


I am sure ReDeYe does too. But he didn't dare to dream that the number of tournaments in Korea would just triple I think.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 01:20:51
November 01 2014 01:20 GMT
#266
On November 01 2014 10:15 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 10:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So for the WCS NA+EU one you will always be in challenger next season?
That's kinda odd tbh

Yeah, but maybe I don't understand it well. I feel like when you get top 8 (top 16 being maybe a bit too much), you should be automatically qualified for the next season.


[image loading]

"all 32 return back to challenger"

So even the champ has to fight through it again, seems VERY weird to me.
But i guess that's the solution to the limited amount of places.
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 01 2014 01:25 GMT
#267
Another scary thought : HOW WILL WE CALL WCS AM/EU ? WCS EUROPERICA ?
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 01:28:41
November 01 2014 01:25 GMT
#268
Hmm.. I've already posted my thoughts on region locking before and don't want to go too deeply into it (here if interested -http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2ks480/kaelaris_wcs_needed_to_be_region_locked_from_the/cloct61)

Beyond this, which Koreans outside of Polt and Vi0let will be able to participate in the Na/Europe region? Also, will some Koreans try to get Work Visas in some of the smaller regions (which have lesser restrictions on work visas) in order to de-facto be a member of wcs na/europe as previously experienced the last couple of years?

Overall if you leave out the disagreements I have with region locking, I think its a solid change. At the very least it will give some Koreans at the lower end of the spectrum the ability to compete against top level competition and gain some recognition . Other than that I'm not really sure that this change will fix any of the core issues with lack of viewership. It will, in the least give some of the top foreigners a better chance at qualifying for blizzcon.

And perhaps at the macro level, its a huge deal that we are getting this. With such a low level of viewership, it is a good feeling knowing we have this level of financial and institutional support among the pro scene. Even if blizzard isn't exactly making the right steps to grow the game, or really any steps at all beyond wcs.

It also seems like Blizzard has setup quite the payday for Polt.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
November 01 2014 01:27 GMT
#269
On November 01 2014 10:25 Boucot wrote:
Another scary thought : HOW WILL WE CALL WCS AM/EU ? WCS EUROPERICA ?


WCS Polt obviously!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 01 2014 01:28 GMT
#270
On November 01 2014 10:25 Boucot wrote:
Another scary thought : HOW WILL WE CALL WCS AM/EU ? WCS EUROPERICA ?


Polt is your 52 time WCS EU/NA/CN/CA/MX/SEA/TW/Middle East/Africa Champion has a certain ring to it.
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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
November 01 2014 01:28 GMT
#271
Points of contention:

Challenger qualification has to be better than the luck-of-the-draw single bo5 that seems to continue. It is way too random when you consider the significantly reduced number of spots. Seeding is king, it would seem. But seeding is very unrealiable. Why do the non-korean part of WCS not implement a better system for qualification?!

No automatic qualifiers from the previous season to the next one is a lackluster system and risks creating a jarring lack of continuity between seasons. We know how volatile SC2 is, and it is impossible for even the best players to always be in top form.

Additionally, there is a significantly reduced number of tournament days for WCS. I think it's a pity. This format also removes what made the biggest difference between weekend tournaments and WCS as it has been the last two years. In WCS you generally had a chance of preparing for your opponent. This is not the case in a ro16 tournament.
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
November 01 2014 01:29 GMT
#272
On November 01 2014 10:25 Boucot wrote:
Another scary thought : HOW WILL WE CALL WCS AM/EU ? WCS EUROPERICA ?

just WCS.
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
November 01 2014 01:30 GMT
#273
On November 01 2014 10:13 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:
had to be this way imho.
im sorry, but the american region would literally have been giving free money/points to Polt.
Captain america won NA twice with a ton of koreans, so with him and violet being the only ones that would get to stay the level of competition would be totally screwed.

48 might have been a better number overall imo, but its also much harder to work with than 32.


I may have misunderstood your post, but Polt/Violet are going to be able to stay and compete in America. They have the proper visas.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 01 2014 01:30 GMT
#274
On November 01 2014 10:29 Yhamm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 10:25 Boucot wrote:
Another scary thought : HOW WILL WE CALL WCS AM/EU ? WCS EUROPERICA ?

just WCS.


But if JYP wins the title of the recap will be called:

EG.JYP.RC wins SC2 HotS (not HOTS) WCS NA/EU/CN/MX/CA/SA/AF/ME/TW/SEA CHAMPION!!!!
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Rikudou
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany151 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 01:35:30
November 01 2014 01:35 GMT
#275
this kinda reminds me to the roots of Starcraft.. basically a more competitive korean scene and a combined "foreigner" scene, wich is reasonable, because korea was and will be always better and more competitive scene
Is this real Life? No, it's StartaleLife!!!
SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 01:46:35
November 01 2014 01:45 GMT
#276
Hope this helps your perspective about new format for foreigners!!!
[image loading]
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AKAvg
Profile Joined April 2014
Brazil298 Posts
November 01 2014 01:46 GMT
#277
Higher stakes and unified system.
I think it's better for fans and viewership. Not sure about Pros
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
November 01 2014 01:51 GMT
#278
On November 01 2014 10:45 SNSeigifried wrote:
Hope this helps your perspective about new format for foreigners!!!
[image loading]



MC, Yoda, First, Hyun, Jakji, Stardust, Sacsri. Working Visa and student visa arent so hard to get and those mentioned live the whole year in Europe.
I think 8 of 14 spots of the EU Players gonna be Korean.

I just dont like this system. While the major player base is in korea, blizzards wanted audience sits everywhere else in europa but now we have again the situation where the scene starts to concentrate only on korea. not that i do not like it, but the as a fan it was much more entertaining, when the top players ( and semi top players ) came to you as a fan, next door. Now i have to watch again during work ( impossible ) and we will soon see less and less events outside of korea till SCII is again only happening in korea like BW at its best times.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
okramv
Profile Joined November 2012
Cuba30 Posts
November 01 2014 01:52 GMT
#279
Fuck, sc2 esports is so frustrating.
youtube.com/user/vanillafeature (mostly CS higlights)
Pino
Profile Joined June 2013
1032 Posts
November 01 2014 01:55 GMT
#280
I feel like WCS europe had reached the right ratio of koreans/europeans. Enough to help the locals improving and not too much to scare them away from competing
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