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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On October 13 2014 05:59 Faust852 wrote: Why did he played a shiton for them in clan wars then ?  He was playing French Proleague because he did not fully switch to HoS, now he's going to play fulltime HoS. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On October 13 2014 05:59 Aeromi wrote: He was playing French Proleague because he did not fully switch to HoS, now he's going to play fulltime HoS. That's why I played him last season in Pandaria and he is playing this season too for them. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
Koreans who join foreign teams, for the most part aren't looking for long-term stability, and they don't care about the team, they're not trying to be integrated into the team. They are looking to get some free trips to foreign events, get some money, and then go back to a Korean team (see: Innovation, Golden 2012-2013). Point being, the shadiness of the team is irrelevant. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13969 Posts
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
On October 13 2014 06:35 Xeris wrote: Even scam teams pay money. If you are a StarCraft player, and you're trying to play the game professionally, you want to make money. As a player, it's better to join a shady team and get paid >market value even for a few months until the owner disappears than to play on a team in shitty conditions and/or not get paid at all. If Super gets a couple LAN events and a few months of salary out of this, it doesn't matter what happens to the teams. Koreans who join foreign teams, for the most part aren't looking for long-term stability, and they don't care about the team, they're not trying to be integrated into the team. They are looking to get some free trips to foreign events, get some money, and then go back to a Korean team (see: Innovation, Golden 2012-2013). Point being, the shadiness of the team is irrelevant. 1) I think you're giving "shady" teams too much credit by assuming that they'll give these players salary and free trips to foreign events. If they're doing that, they're not shady. From his time in MVP, Super at least got exposure in SPL. What'll happen if this team is not legit is he won't get to go to any tournaments, and unless he can make it back into Code S (which is certainly doable for Super) he'll fall out of the public eye and it'll be only harder to get a new team. 2) What Korean team does Super "go back" to? All the remaining Korean teams are in SPL. If the reason MVP players bolted is to avoid SPL then he's got nowhere to go back to. 3) Golden and INnoVation are completely irrelevant here because they were on very LEGITIMATE foreign teams that weren't shady at all. Teams like Axiom, Acer, mYi, AI, Millenium have proven stable teams. This is exactly what "Invasion" has NOT done. If Invasion turns out to be as legit as those teams, then this isn't a bad move like Super at all, but the fact that they're signing up Koreans who have been out of the spotlight for years like Noblesse and TOP is not a good sign. It's just not indicative of a well-run team. | ||
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Irradium
France16 Posts
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On October 13 2014 07:38 Yakikorosu wrote: 1) I think you're giving "shady" teams too much credit by assuming that they'll give these players salary and free trips to foreign events. If they're doing that, they're not shady. From his time in MVP, Super at least got exposure in SPL. What'll happen if this team is not legit is he won't get to go to any tournaments, and unless he can make it back into Code S (which is certainly doable for Super) he'll fall out of the public eye and it'll be only harder to get a new team. 2) What Korean team does Super "go back" to? All the remaining Korean teams are in SPL. If the reason MVP players bolted is to avoid SPL then he's got nowhere to go back to. 3) Golden and INnoVation are completely irrelevant here because they were on very LEGITIMATE foreign teams that weren't shady at all. Teams like Axiom, Acer, mYi, AI, Millenium have proven stable teams. This is exactly what "Invasion" has NOT done. If Invasion turns out to be as legit as those teams, then this isn't a bad move like Super at all, but the fact that they're signing up Koreans who have been out of the spotlight for years like Noblesse and TOP is not a good sign. It's just not indicative of a well-run team. You are right, you cant compare it with Inno or Golden. But you must admit that even Shady Teams can have their pros for the koreans: In MVP you did not get much money as Super, most possible is he just got his place in the teamhouse and food and no money at all. Despite SPL he could not attend at any other events then GSL and at these other events you can make money even when you are not the best. Joining a "shady team" can give the players money, at least for sometime. If he wouldnt get paid, he would stay at GEM, there is no reason else then money to join the team. And as a korean player you allways have to think: Okay military service is at horizen, i have skipped at least some education to play SC II at this high lvl, now i need to earn something of it till i have to start a new phase in my life, after the military service which I have to do soon. And dont make the mistake of thinking those 20 year old koreans do not understand "shady teams" or can not see the possibility of them imploding. But they gamble, because its the money they want to earn and there is nothing wrong if you want to earn money for that what you do 10 hours a day. | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
On October 13 2014 08:29 Clonester wrote: You are right, you cant compare it with Inno or Golden. But you must admit that even Shady Teams can have their pros for the koreans: In MVP you did not get much money as Super, most possible is he just got his place in the teamhouse and food and no money at all. Despite SPL he could not attend at any other events then GSL and at these other events you can make money even when you are not the best. Joining a "shady team" can give the players money, at least for sometime. If he wouldnt get paid, he would stay at GEM, there is no reason else then money to join the team. And as a korean player you allways have to think: Okay military service is at horizen, i have skipped at least some education to play SC II at this high lvl, now i need to earn something of it till i have to start a new phase in my life, after the military service which I have to do soon. And dont make the mistake of thinking those 20 year old koreans do not understand "shady teams" or can not see the possibility of them imploding. But they gamble, because its the money they want to earn and there is nothing wrong if you want to earn money for that what you do 10 hours a day. You also need to understand that if a Korean pro is approached by a foreign team they see it as the most amazing opportunity for them. They become naive, and the language barrier and the fact that their culture involves so much respect makes it so much easier for a shady team to trick a Korean player to join their team. The big question is: what have they promised the Korean players? Are they being honest with them, or are they using baits like "in 2015 we WILL be the best European team and we WILL have money to send you wherever you want"? The most important thing is that the Koreans are made aware of the extreme risk that this team brings. If they still want to proceed playing for this team then that's their choice. I just hope they're playing open cards with their players. | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Probably a scam but I hope it's not. Won't be cool for all the Koreans and their trust to foreign scene. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
About retweet / FB... well if you ever tried to "monetize" a Facebook publication, you get like 1000% more like in an hour from random people in egyptia (happened with my ex-band. We tried to pay FB to have more visibility and he got 3000like from egyptians) so it could be that too. Dunno how it works for twitter. On October 13 2014 14:21 739 wrote: Make Koreans win some moneys, take the moneys - give no payments. Probably a scam but I hope it's not. Won't be cool for all the Koreans and their trust to foreign scene. Since apparently they'll pay in pandaria... they won't win any money. I don't even understand why they are playing them. 'cause they are going to wreck everyone and as far as i know you get nothing winning pandaria. | ||
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Hakenzerg
France3 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 13 2014 17:44 Hakenzerg wrote: I don't think Inv esport is a scam since I know a few players in this team (yes I'm french) and they seem to be honest. Let's wait & see If you know them, you should tell them that their roster are not up to date on their website. None of the koreans are in it. Or maybe there's another team with the same name or it's an old website. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On October 13 2014 17:44 Hakenzerg wrote: I don't think Inv esport is a scam since I know a few players in this team (yes I'm french) and they seem to be honest. Let's wait & see And you signed up just to say this? | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On October 13 2014 17:44 Hakenzerg wrote: I don't think Inv esport is a scam since I know a few players in this team (yes I'm french) and they seem to be honest. Let's wait & see Players usually aren't in on most scams, they're usually just another victim. | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On October 13 2014 05:47 Quateras wrote: Honestly I'm getting a little upset about these things. They should know by now from experience that they have to be careful with these things. Looking at all the koreans who already got screwed over from previous Teams. And they keep falling for it for some weird reason :S Most of them are in their early twenties, time to get some real life experience. IIRC some players (like Top) have received warning tweets from concerned fans so at this point my sympathy is waning. Sure if this team does fold, it'll be unfortunate... but like you said, they should know better by now. | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2200 Posts
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On October 13 2014 06:00 Faust852 wrote: That's why I played him last season in Pandaria and he is playing this season too for them. Wait, Invasion hired Noblesse to play in an amateur tournament? So Noblesse is just a ringer; a big shark in a small pond? | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:10 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Wait, Invasion hired Noblesse to play in an amateur tournament? So Noblesse is just a ringer; a big shark in a small pond? Apprently it's going shitstorm on the "pandaria league" since some of the teams decided to forfeit their matches in order to "boycott" the koreans. It's sure that having ex Code-S player in an amateur league spoil the fun for those who plays i guess. It's not "fair" because they are the only team with such talent... so... Couple that with FRENCH league and you have a shitstorm. I'm following that with popcorn for now :p | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On October 15 2014 18:07 FFW_Rude wrote: Apprently it's going shitstorm on the "pandaria league" since some of the teams decided to forfeit their matches in order to "boycott" the koreans. It's sure that having ex Code-S player in an amateur league spoil the fun for those who plays i guess. It's not "fair" because they are the only team with such talent... so... Couple that with FRENCH league and you have a shitstorm. I'm following that with popcorn for now :p Dude I want to follow that, but I can't read French! I know this isn't the biggest news about SC2 or esports, but it still sounds significant. Whether it points to Invasion eSports being a legitimate organization is still questionable. I mean, their choice on purchasing social media attention is foolish, and using a ringer in an amateur contest is deplorable, but that doesn't mean they are scamming the players. I wonder how things progress in the "pandaria league". | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 15 2014 18:20 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Dude I want to follow that, but I can't read French! I know this isn't the biggest news about SC2 or esports, but it still sounds significant. Whether it points to Invasion eSports being a legitimate organization is still questionable. I mean, their choice on purchasing social media attention is foolish, and using a ringer in an amateur contest is deplorable, but that doesn't mean they are scamming the players. I wonder how things progress in the "pandaria league". Haha no i'm just exagerating a little. It's just 1 team that forfeit and another one that didn't show up for the match. The league is blaming them for not being professional. It's a fair point because yeah it's "unprofessional" but it's an amateur league.But i don't think the koreans will be used that much since it's still played at french time and i don't think the KR will be happy to play at night for "nothing" since there is nothing to gain. But it's true that having ex code S can be demorelizing since the first division (where Master/GM teams are) have little chance to win against ex code S players. And i'm really off topic in this thread. I can give you info via PM (but you could ask pandaria people that are on TL, they would have more reliable info). There's a statement from the league about the issue. But it's not really a drama for now. EDIT : aAa is calling InvasionEsport out | ||
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Twitter/facebook bots, weird funding... Nothing seems right about this team. Poor Koreans who probably are thinking "omg I'm joining foreign team!! lots of money for me!!". Someone with proper contacts need to help these Koreans out before they lose all their trust in the foreign community.
