EPTTop 50 streamers in September 2014 - Page 3
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On October 01 2014 23:30 Chylvain wrote: When I watch a football (soccer for US) I wanna watch the best teams, Bayern vs Barca, Madrid vs Paris, etc... When I watch a stream it's the same logic, I wanna see pro gamers because they have almost the perfect style of how to play this game. I just don't understand when I see 1500 viewers of the god JD vs 3000 viewers of random master player. That's certainly a sensible opinion to have. But if you have a look at who's on twitch these days, it's becoming more and more obvious that "being good at the game" is one of the least important qualities to have for being popular. The streamers that are consistently popular on twitch are those that have a) an entertaining personality, and b) interact with their viewers. Very very few top twitch streamers, if any, do not interact with the chat in one way or another. So, yes, there are many, many people who would rather watch someone who interacts with the chat and is entertaining rather than watch the best player just play his game in silence. You may not like it, but that's how it is. I personally think that's quite unfortunate for SC2, since it is a game that requires a ton of concentration and skill at the highest level, and quite often, as a player, you just can't play and interact at the same time. So you can either play not quite as good and interact (thus losing the unique feature of being one of the best), or not interact (thus losing the interest of your viewers). Damned if you do, damned if you don't. | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 01 2014 23:30 Chylvain wrote: When I watch a football (soccer for US) I wanna watch the best teams, Bayern vs Barca, Madrid vs Paris, etc... When I watch a stream it's the same logic, I wanna see pro gamers because they have almost the perfect style of how to play this game. I just don't understand when I see 1500 viewers of the god JD vs 3000 viewers of random master player. Yeah, as much as Barcelona was super unbeatable team last years, their game was actually boring. So i did not watch their matches unless playing vs "my" team. I love aggressive offensive style, not passing in the middle no matter how hard that can be(and it is, I know, I play the game  )). I will rather watch Ajax in mid-90s than FCB. Or see the Netherlands - Czech Republic game from Euro 04 and I know it's not the best play possible but hell the game was entertaining I enjoyed the FC Slavia Prague game on Arsenal(they lost in London 7:0) or against Seville(0:3 at home), because they did not play the defensive style about "we cannot get a goal, defend in 11 players!!!".It's about entertaining value and, well, Korean players are not entertaining  When I remember White-Ra's stream and his "what should I do next? Carrier rush? OK" And he did it! Successfully. Sometimes Hmm, BTW, does Twitch count viewers from livestreamers? Editus - too many hells... working too long today... | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On October 01 2014 22:35 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: considering hes catering for 12 year old kids I would doubt it. And come on, a non retarded Twitch chat??? btw is Stephano still streaming his SH turtle style?? never get to watch him because of timezones... The Starcraft BW VODs have a really good Twitch chat. But it's rare to see someone typing there  As for Winter... Well at least he talks. Watching a progamer giving me a seasure while spamming camera hotkeys while not explain AT ALL what he is doing... Well that's no fun, and i can't learn from that. But i can learn from a less good player but that actually explain stuff. Then when you see the proplayer doing it on his screen you're like : "oooh that's why he does that". I learned more with Diamond/Masters player than actual progamers. I didn't find a lot of them who talks or explain. iDra was so good when he was explaining (but that was not all the time) | ||
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Nirel
Israel1526 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On October 01 2014 22:44 Zealously wrote: If you don't have any sources more credible than "his chat is quiet", stop making accusations and bashing Winter. I've tried watching his stream and I could not understand why it was popular, at all, BUT from what I remember there was a pretty comprehensive comparison of chat speed between him and other channels and there wasn't a significant difference. Still do not understand it at all, but gotta respect how much work he puts in. | ||
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jtp118
United States137 Posts
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Druss
France22 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26983 Posts
I know folks don't really get the Winter appeal and don't want to believe the numbers. I've seen tons of informative streams, people who do analysis, play with viewers etc. What I think would be an interesting discussion is as to why Winter's had success with his model/promotion etc. IMO there are guys who do what he does, better but what they don't have is consistency. I get quite into Artosis' stream and he returns to the wilderness for a while for example. Similar style when it comes to breakdown of games, a bigger 'name' in the scene who is respected, but because it's more of a sideshow for him it doesn't gain that traction. Frankly it seems that like SC2 vs other titles, the market is niche for streams that are 'watch me play this game I'm fucking awesome at it'. There is frankly a LOT of Twitch content that mystifies me, but I suppose the existence of viewers who aren't me (relatively elitist, hyper-competitive nerd) is a good sign for Twitch in the long run. Other things I believe worth considering: 1. How many total streamers are there for SC2? There seem to be a lot of people hovering in the 30-100 viewer bracket at all times, which may be driven away from the big names' numbers, even to a limited degree. 2. Next-gen consoles, they have Twitch broadcasting abilities built-in iirc. While there may not be crossover and it's not that difficult to set up OBS, it's still a potential factor. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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Neuling
Germany45 Posts
The non-featured streamer with the most average viewers*hours played gets featured after every month or something like that  | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On October 02 2014 00:18 jtp118 wrote: I watch Winter, a lot, over other streamers ... he actually communicates, plays random (so more variance in matchups), and I've learned a great deal from his commentary. The "viewbots!" argument has been debunked over and over and over in these threads ... Winter really is that popular, he gets like $8k in donations per month, and streams very regularly. do you realize how unrealistic it is to make +- 100k $ a year out of 3k viewers? | ||
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
On October 01 2014 23:55 wari wrote: after reading the top 3 streamernames I thought: winter doesnt deserve to be up there. thats when you know something is wrong, cause its simply a list of who has the best numbers, but we all know winters numbers are not accurate. Im not saying its his fault but cmon... he should be able to do something about it, contact twitch to help him etc. The reason I dont like him is cause I think this guy doesnt want the viewbots removed. Remember, this is the guy who posted "Im winter the new sc2 nr. 1 streamer" on sc2 subreddit. he really said ""Im winter the new sc2 nr. 1 streamer"? thats badass, hes the man, making sure everyone else knows their place | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26983 Posts
Seems pretty reasonable to me and rather in-depth. There might be something I'm missing but it looks a pretty solid defence. Christ I hate this, Winter is the absolute epitome of 2000 stream overlay, casual-pandering, donation-demanding content that I don't like on a personal level, but he indisputably puts the hour and the work in and it seems to be paying off for the guy. | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
Brilliant strategy (even if it's accidental) | ||
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jtp118
United States137 Posts
On October 02 2014 00:32 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: do you realize how unrealistic it is to make +- 100k $ a year out of 3k viewers? do you realize that he streams 200 hours a month and has a ton of very dedicated viewers who give him large donations? ffs, Nony gets like $15k per year in donations and has an average of 250 viewers ... | ||
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jtp118
United States137 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On October 02 2014 00:16 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I've tried watching his stream and I could not understand why it was popular, at all, BUT from what I remember there was a pretty comprehensive comparison of chat speed between him and other channels and there wasn't a significant difference. Still do not understand it at all, but gotta respect how much work he puts in. Yup. From my perspective, I don't find it as insightful or entertaining as other streams. But you know what, for people new to the game or in the lower leagues, his stream is really good. They get some tidbits of information, they get tips on how to improve what to focus on, and Winter seems like a nice enough dude. I can see what viewer base he caters too and he's as close as we have to an entertainer who streams in SC2. Incontrol comes in a bit higher in my books for entertainer player but he doesnt stream nearly as regularly as winter and random really broadens Winter's stream appeal as well. | ||
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