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As of tonight, 09th August, 2014, we can say mYinsanity's italian prodigy zerg player Reynor, at the precise age of 12 years and 40 days old, is the youngest player worldwide to reach GrandMaster league.
Playing from myInsanity's Gaming House, team he joined on 12th November, 2013, he received his promotion tonight at 03:28 AM (CEST).
Despite his young age, he already attended international events like DreamHack Open Bucharest 2013 and 2014, DreamHack Valencia 2014 and Vasacast Invitational 2014.
Fully supported by his family, we foresee big things coming for our little italian pride.
Congratulations to Reynor for his accomplishment, from his friends and all Italy!
Watch Reynor in action!
NationWars2 Team Italy vs Team Russia, [mYi]Reynor vs [VPBenQ]sLivko - Ace Match
(stream by Vasacast)
mYi vs oSc - Showmatch, [oSc]StarEagle vs [mYi]Reynor - third game
(stream by Vasacast)
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Sick ! :D but he should go to school.
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This guy is sick. Congrats!
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On August 09 2014 22:36 pvtmomo wrote:
Sick ! :D but he should go to school.
Do you know what summer is?
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Oh god, I've been playing for 3 years now, and I'm still diamond. Way to get people depressed with posts like these T.T
J/K Good job kiddo
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Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
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On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Someone other's hormones are released only on TL, isn't it?
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Pretty sure Maru was GM when he was about 5 years old.
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On August 09 2014 22:36 pvtmomo wrote:
Sick ! :D but he should go to school.
I assume he can do both. School at the age of 12 should be very easy for someone, who is able to make it to GM at that age.
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On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
I know right? A child who didn't go to bed on time. There's just no accountability anymore.
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On August 09 2014 22:36 pvtmomo wrote:
Sick ! :D but he should go to school.
You don't go to school 12 months a year. That plus even during a school week you're only there 5 days a week and you're not there all day. Kids play a ton of games anyway, might as well train really hard for one if you're going to spend your time playing anyway.
On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
Lol cause 12 year olds all go to bed right on time every single night. Do you want to provide some evidence for your last point? I'm a shift worker i know the effect working at night has but the suggesting that the occasional late night will affect a child's growth is a pretty big statement. If you're just trolling, and it's sometimes hard to tell, then feel free to ignore this post.
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On August 09 2014 22:41 hellokitty[hk] wrote:
Pretty sure Maru was GM when he was about 5 years old.
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Really? Are there no similar or younger KR GMs?
Nice plug, I guess.
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staying up at night is important if you want to stay small and cute.
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Yeah but the kid is playing at 4/5AM everyday and he just got 12 2 weeks ago...
Anyway, congratz.
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i wouldnt call this kid a prodigy, if you put enough time into playing sc2 you can get gm no matter your age. this kid just played the game for a very long time. not really prodigy to me.
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On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
I don't know when you saw him playing at that time, but if it happened it was more the exception than the rule. The kid is a pretty normal 12 years old, I wouldn't say he plays more time than any average 12 years old nowadays.
But hey, if you wanna be negative at all cost, I'm not here to stop you
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Congratulations Reynor! A fantastic accomplishment.
I eagerly await your GSL win in a few years down the line. 
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On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
Can't tell if trolling..........
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On August 09 2014 22:55 myRZeth wrote:
he s cheesing every game
I confirm. But gm is gm :p
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Rememember that he got it on en EU ladder aswell, that is considerably harder than NA
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On August 09 2014 22:51 FeyFey wrote:
staying up at night is important if you want to stay small and cute.
Hehe
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On August 09 2014 22:56 Faust852 wrote:I confirm. But gm is gm :p
Too bad GM actually doesn't mean anything since you're still playing the same people you did before reaching GM.
GM is GM but yeah, i can confirm doesn't mean much 
EDIT: Ofc gz nontheless 
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Sometimes the search of a dream is more important that 2 - 3 nights lost in a year.
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On August 09 2014 22:54 NeV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future. I don't know when you saw him playing at that time, but if it happened it was more the exception than the rule. The kid is a pretty normal 12 years old, I wouldn't say he plays more time than any average 12 years old nowadays. But hey, if you wanna be negative at all cost, I'm not here to stop you
As someone who works with children I do see SeXyBaCk's point. A lack of sleep is really harmful for children. The odd night is fine but I hope it isn't a regular occurance otherwise that's really unhealthy.
But this thread is about Reynor's accomplishment not a discussion about sleep. Congratz Reynor.
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Sure is some grumpy old men in this thread
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On August 09 2014 23:10 Squall71 wrote:
Sometimes the search of a dream is more important that 2 - 3 nights lost in a year.
It's not 2-3 nights :p
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On August 09 2014 23:20 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 23:10 Squall71 wrote:
Sometimes the search of a dream is more important that 2 - 3 nights lost in a year. It's not 2-3 nights :p
I think Squall71 knows something more than you
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Is he regularly playing SC at those crazy hours? That's not good for anyone, especially not children.
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people are so discusting.. just can't find the strenght to not put down others for things they can't do
GJ Reynor.. you are much better at this game then me and i'm 31 :D
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On August 09 2014 23:25 tskarzyn wrote:
Is he regularly playing SC at those crazy hours? That's not good for anyone, especially not children.
I don't think so,he is just in the mYi house right now,gamers are known for having crazy hours I bet he is just staying awake like the others to play..
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On August 09 2014 22:54 SCguineapig wrote:
i wouldnt call this kid a prodigy, if you put enough time into playing sc2 you can get gm no matter your age. this kid just played the game for a very long time. not really prodigy to me.
Yeah of course you can, that's why there's tons of 80+ years old GMs ^_^
Also korean ladder is tons harder so not weird there are not as young korean GM players in korea. There are probably much better players just as old or younger in korea though. Doesn't make this kids accomplishment any less awesome. Congratulations! =D
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On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
i sense jealousy
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congrats man! Can't wait to see where you get!
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On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
sounds like ur a little extra jealous, use a little more appreciation in the future
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On August 09 2014 22:51 FeyFey wrote:
staying up at night is important if you want to stay small and cute.
lmao.
congrats man. I suspect he wont be the last.
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On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
Staying up to 3:30 at the age of 12 has never hurt anyone as long as it's not his regular schedule. Calm the heck down.
Congrats though! Feel this is kind of a gimmicky post but, still, congratulations! Well deserved and has to be very talented!
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He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy.
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It's funny how a lot of fanboys devalue your opinion on the kid as envy or jealousy because you think what he does isn't healthy. (funfact : they are all from Italy).
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On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy.
Lol the funny part is Desrow is not a kid, Desrow play in Na, and everybody know GM NA = Master EU, and at least he play on 4 different account. Instead of wasting your time checking desrow account, just make compliments at reynor and stop this stupid thing called "whine".
BTW congratz Little Reynor!
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On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy.
Maybe you don't know what are barcodes, smurf accounts, server regions... ah do u know that desrow play with 5 different accounts? haters gonna hate
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On August 09 2014 23:49 SuperHofmann wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy. Maybe you don't know what are barcodes, smurf accounts, server regions... ah do u know that desrow play with 5 different accounts? haters gonna hate
ya thats true but 7000 games is pretty bad for a "prodigy." regardless good achievement for a young age
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People of that age usually have a learning curve ahead of them (strategic thinking, anticipate enemies actions etc.). But if you start on top of things you might get even higher.
So just congratulate him and see where it leads to.
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7000 games total or only 1v1? Did you check it? Btw for all the people who complain about "unhealty" style or something like that, if all of you are not able to do 2 good things at same time, and i mean School and sc2, that doasn't mean all the others peoples are like you.
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What's your point ?
It's ok if you want to troll me about my country, but since you come from italy, you should just avoid doing that ^^
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On August 09 2014 22:55 myRZeth wrote:
he s cheesing every game
maru started out cheesing every game when he was 12-14 and look where he's now
younger players like to be super aggressive
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Wow the overwhelming negativity and judgemental attitude in this thread. Stop telling other people how to live their life. There's probably been younger GM in Korea though.
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On August 09 2014 23:57 Faust852 wrote:What's your point ? It's ok if you want to troll me about my country, but since you come from italy, you should just avoid doing that ^^
really ?? oh yes i forgot LUX. has given so much to world civilization who doesnt know Cesare, Leonardo, Raffaello, Michelangelo,Dante, Fermi, Giotto, Volta,Pirandello great men from Lux.
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On August 10 2014 00:06 Sipario wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 23:57 Faust852 wrote:What's your point ? It's ok if you want to troll me about my country, but since you come from italy, you should just avoid doing that ^^ really ?? oh yes i forgot LUX. has given so much to world civilization who doesnt know Cesare, Leonardo, Raffaello, Michelangelo,Dante, Fermi, Giotto, Volta,Pirandello great men from Lux.
And yet, you live in one of the poorest country of Europe and ask money to countries like germany or luxembourg everyday.
So please, avoid bashing me for my country, this is stupid and infantile. And I don't see the point in doing that at all.
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Wow that's good! But probably not for his health.
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Italy is proud of you little Reynor!! You Gosu!! gg congratz!! Well done!! :D
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On August 09 2014 23:55 Yrr wrote:
People of that age usually have a learning curve ahead of them (strategic thinking, anticipate enemies actions etc.). But if you start on top of things you might get even higher.
So just congratulate him and see where it leads to.
This is the biggest thing for him. Psychologically developing is what he needs the most of. The best of the best all have incredible mechanical ability, but it is the mental toughness, the finesse of it that makes a great player a pro. This kid plays a lot of games, and I'm sure he's very talented, but mYi really should make sure they aren't counting a chicken before he's hatched.
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On August 10 2014 00:08 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 00:06 Sipario wrote:On August 09 2014 23:57 Faust852 wrote:What's your point ? It's ok if you want to troll me about my country, but since you come from italy, you should just avoid doing that ^^ really ?? oh yes i forgot LUX. has given so much to world civilization who doesnt know Cesare, Leonardo, Raffaello, Michelangelo,Dante, Fermi, Giotto, Volta,Pirandello great men from Lux. And yet, you live in one of the poorest country of Europe and ask money to countries like germany or luxembourg everyday. So please, avoid bashing me for my country, this is stupid and infantile. And I don't see the point in doing that at all.
Take a look man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)
and this if u understand numbers ( if u dont undestand i can tell u Italy pays for u ):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)
see u poor man !!
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On August 09 2014 22:55 Crot4le wrote:Congratulations Reynor! A fantastic accomplishment. I eagerly await your GSL win in a few years down the line.
I doubt that there will be a GSL in a few years. I really don't want to derail this thread but Blizzard should focus less on esports and make a fun game instead.
Anyway, good job Reynor! I hope that you can make some pocket money through SC2
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Haha so many jealous "adults" in this thread :D
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Oh god, I've been playing since the start of all starcraft, and I'm still platinum. Way to get people depressed with posts like these T.T
J/K Good job kiddo
I doubt that there will be a GSL in a few years. I really don't want to derail this thread but Blizzard should focus less on esports and make a fun game instead.
they did hearthstone and soon hots
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The guy is an absolute monster, he improved really quickly and still has a lot of hidden potential. I remember the transition from beating him pretty often to having a hard time at finishing games, and eventually losing tournament matches to him, one after another (even though I'm not a pro by any means, I was still impressed).
His macro is on point and his trade-mark aggressive style is improving day by day.
Congratulations!!
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Remember to thank blizzard every day for your race kid.
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On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy.
TLO, Happy and Kas would like to have a word with you. Most proplayers have more than that, but they have many accounts. And alot of the barcodes have more. 7000k is not that much if you get together all the games proplayers have played over all their accounts.
Also, gz Reynor :D
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they did hearthstone and soon hots
They should make SC2 fun. Maybe it's because I'm just a filthy mid master casual player and not a GSL Champion but the game has hardly any fun units for me. As a terran myself I don't understand why Protoss gets all the hate, sure toss was a bit over the top in korea but as a protoss you can actually vary your startegy quite heavily (They have way more viable defensive and offensive startegies than the other two races and that's NOT a bad thing. Zerg and especially Terran shouldn't be stuck with the same boring openings and units they have used for years).
A terran player gets called "creative" if he builds an ebay 1 minute earlier than usual. Much mechanics. So strategy. wow.
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gratz reynor, im happy for the kid getting grandmaster is a decent accomplishment in sc2, not saying its the best thing but none the less its better then staying in masters, and if he enjoys the game why does it matter if hes got over 7k games if hes still in school and stuff its fine (coming from a person who played a ton of games when i was younger too). PS being in a house with stardust and jakji must be nuts
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On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy.
lol I got 9k games played and I don't practice much at all. Most pros practice min 8 hours a day. You can name the successful pros who don't practice much on 1 hand. That's not a lot of games at all.
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isnt the game 12+ ? i doubt the started 40 days ago xD
also i see he was on that tournamments with 11 years ? pretty sure thats not legal with 11 playing this game ^^
On August 10 2014 01:42 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy. lol I got 9k games played and I don't practice much at all. Most pros practice min 8 hours a day. You can name the successful pros who don't practice much on 1 hand. That's not a lot of games at all.
i talked with alot of pros and no one practice regular 8h+ a day ... thats myth
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On August 10 2014 01:44 Drake wrote:isnt the game 12+ ? i doubt the started 40 days ago xD also i see he was on that tournamments with 11 years ? pretty sure thats not legal with 11 playing this game ^^ Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 01:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy. lol I got 9k games played and I don't practice much at all. Most pros practice min 8 hours a day. You can name the successful pros who don't practice much on 1 hand. That's not a lot of games at all. i talked with alot of pros and no one practice regular 8h+ a day ... thats myth
There is a lot of bad things here but if you dare to say something you be called out, country bashed and told you only are fulll of jealousy, so please edit your post :D
And it's PEGI16+ in Europe ^^
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The kid is on vacation at mYi gaming house, and I've never seen him online past midnight during school period.
Let him enjoy this great opportunity, he's just having fun; and playing and having fun is the point of being a child, so I really don't know what's your point. Basically he spends his spare time on Starcraft instead of Farmville...
edit. PEGI is not legally enforced in Italy
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PEGI doesn't matter if your parents allow you to play. His parents are very involved; there's no problem here. Go back to your caves and find something else to be outraged about.
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On August 10 2014 01:56 nkr wrote:
PEGI doesn't matter if your parents allow you to play. His parents are very involved; there's no problem here. Go back to your caves and find something else to be outraged about.
I was just making thing clear since the guy above me asked about game restriction.
And please don't be so butthurt because people don't have the same opinion as yours, thank you. I'm not jealous about his feat, that's quite cool.
We were just a bit shocked about his sleeping behaviour and we have all the right to do so.
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You've obsessively posted here in this thread more times than anybody else. I am a bit shocked by your behaviour and we have all the right to do so.
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On August 10 2014 01:44 Drake wrote:isnt the game 12+ ? i doubt the started 40 days ago xD also i see he was on that tournamments with 11 years ? pretty sure thats not legal with 11 playing this game ^^ Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 01:42 TRaFFiC wrote:On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy. lol I got 9k games played and I don't practice much at all. Most pros practice min 8 hours a day. You can name the successful pros who don't practice much on 1 hand. That's not a lot of games at all. i talked with alot of pros and no one practice regular 8h+ a day ... thats myth
lol . First of all, in Korea, no question they practice more than that. Second, which pros? Third, 8 hours isn't much at all. A lot of time is wasted between games. Depending on the player, that might be only 20 games.
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On August 10 2014 02:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
You've obsessively posted here in this thread more times than anybody else. I am a bit shocked by your behaviour and we have all the right to do so.
I please you to read back all my posts.
The first one was a gratz, the 2nd was saying that reaching GM is quite a feat, the 3rd was saying he did more than 2 or 3 all nighters, and the rest was defending myself from some dickhead who started insulting me and my country for no reason. SO yeah, generalization much. But be shocked about people posting on a forum if you want, but you should look for another hobbit.
Anyway, we should stop right now since it's not the subject.
Once again, congratz to Reynor and I hope I'll see him in some event (even though i'm not sure if he will be allowed to play a lot of them).
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On August 10 2014 01:22 Araneae wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy. TLO, Happy and Kas would like to have a word with you. Most proplayers have more than that, but they have many accounts. And alot of the barcodes have more. 7000k is not that much if you get together all the games proplayers have played over all their accounts. Also, gz Reynor :D
7,000K....
7,000,000 games isn't much?!?!
HUehue
That aside. Why are people so angry here.
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Really good job Reynor! So jelly... I wish I had been that good at your age! Keep it up.
<3
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Well this makes me feel like literal garbage.
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Btw I just checked and he has ~4600 1v1 on his account, so the 7k is a big part of multi games too.
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On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy.
Yes yes, and ofc you were gm at 9 years old with just 1k games, yes sure....
I'll try to translate you an italian proverb: "when the fox can't reach grapes, says it's acerb"
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This thread devolved quickly
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How do you know the age of the players behind every sc2 account that has ever been GM? It's not like the identity of all GM players are known?
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On August 10 2014 02:37 Zheryn wrote:
How do you know the age of the players behind every sc2 account that has ever been GM? It's not like the identity of all GM players are known?
To be fair 12y is really young so that won't be really shocking that he's the youngest Especially because it's also really rare to start playing a game like sc2 at 9/10yo.
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On August 10 2014 02:37 Zheryn wrote:
How do you know the age of the players behind every sc2 account that has ever been GM? It's not like the identity of all GM players are known?
Tbh, it should have been worded "the youngest KNOWN player". Remarkable feat anyway.
For those who wondered about the 7k games played (they are way less, by the way), there's one thing to say, as I know him personally: he has been playing for a long time, and I had to put two chairs one on top of another plus a pillow to have him reach the keyboard less than one year ago. Some who attended DH Bucharest in 2013 may even remember this.
The greatest amount of his games, the earliest, were played mouse only, as he wasn't able to reach both mouse and keyboard due to being little. Still as today he doesn't cover the full keybindings range with his hand.
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For the ones that were complaining about sleeping, I think that anyone living in the same room as jjakji, Stardust, Sacrsi would certaintly not go to bed any earlier than any of them, but would rather stay awake to play and have fun with them :D
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Really great to see. Hopefully there is someone in his life that is both support and yet stresses the importance of having a balance
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On August 10 2014 02:20 iAmJeffReY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 01:22 Araneae wrote:On August 09 2014 23:43 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
He has 7000 games played on his EU account alone. I've checked battle.net profiles of different pro players and I haven't found a single one with so many. Even desrow who is the least talented aspiring pro in the scene (although he is entertaining, kind and funny) has been grandmaster since forever with much less played games so I would go easy on calling this kid a prodigy. TLO, Happy and Kas would like to have a word with you. Most proplayers have more than that, but they have many accounts. And alot of the barcodes have more. 7000k is not that much if you get together all the games proplayers have played over all their accounts. Also, gz Reynor :D 7,000K.... 7,000,000 games isn't much?!?! HUehue That aside. Why are people so angry here.
Haha, I think I was going to write 7k, but got the rest there without thinking
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ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game.
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This guy bane allined me once ;( Grats on getting GM!
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On August 10 2014 04:01 Circumstance wrote:
ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game.
painuser made GM once.
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On August 10 2014 04:03 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:01 Circumstance wrote:
ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game. painuser made GM once.
painuser finished third at an mlg, not sure what you're trying to say
he was a good player by foreign standards in early WoL
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Well done Reynor. I have two brothers about your age and they are both awful :\
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On August 10 2014 04:08 The_Templar wrote:
Well done Reynor. I have two brothers about your age and they are both awful :\
you might want to have them checked out by a neurologist, because according to this thread, if u aren't gm by the age of 6, you are probably mentally retarded!
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On August 10 2014 04:06 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:03 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:01 Circumstance wrote:
ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game. painuser made GM once. painuser finished third at an mlg, not sure what you're trying to say he was a good player by foreign standards in early WoL
My point was that even if he was good at the game for a while, he wasn't intelligent enough to manage an heathly lifestyle and finish being terrible a the game and sleeping like 3h a day for years.
Managing to reach GM doesn't make you responsible, especially if you are 12. You need support to learn how to live healty.
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On August 10 2014 04:13 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:06 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:03 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:01 Circumstance wrote:
ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game. painuser made GM once. painuser finished third at an mlg, not sure what you're trying to say he was a good player by foreign standards in early WoL My point was that even if he was good at the game for a while, he wasn't intelligent enough to manage an heathly lifestyle and finish being terrible a the game and sleeping like 3h a day for years. Managing to reach GM doesn't make you responsible, especially if you are 12. You need support to learn how to live healty.
good thing he has parents then, which if you had read the thread instead of being stuck on bashing his lifestyle, you would have realized they are heavily involved in this
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On August 10 2014 04:15 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:13 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:06 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:03 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:01 Circumstance wrote:
ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game. painuser made GM once. painuser finished third at an mlg, not sure what you're trying to say he was a good player by foreign standards in early WoL My point was that even if he was good at the game for a while, he wasn't intelligent enough to manage an heathly lifestyle and finish being terrible a the game and sleeping like 3h a day for years. Managing to reach GM doesn't make you responsible, especially if you are 12. You need support to learn how to live healty. good thing he has parents then, which if you had read the thread instead of being stuck on bashing his lifestyle, you would have realized they are heavily involved in this
Because letting your kid play past 4AM is being heavily involved like they should.
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On August 10 2014 04:16 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:15 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:13 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:06 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:03 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:01 Circumstance wrote:
ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game. painuser made GM once. painuser finished third at an mlg, not sure what you're trying to say he was a good player by foreign standards in early WoL My point was that even if he was good at the game for a while, he wasn't intelligent enough to manage an heathly lifestyle and finish being terrible a the game and sleeping like 3h a day for years. Managing to reach GM doesn't make you responsible, especially if you are 12. You need support to learn how to live healty. good thing he has parents then, which if you had read the thread instead of being stuck on bashing his lifestyle, you would have realized they are heavily involved in this Because letting your kid playing past 4AM is being heavily involved like they should.
Ah, how many kids do you have again? Please don't be that guy lecturing others on parenting.
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You know nothing about the person nor about the situation, but yet feel like you have some sort of insight worthy of an opinion. Newsflash: you don't.
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On August 10 2014 04:20 nkr wrote:
You know nothing about the person nor about the situation, but yet feel like you have some sort of insight worthy of an opinion. Newsflash: you don't.
Flashnews n°2: his parents are intelligents, that might be enought
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On August 10 2014 04:18 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:16 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:15 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:13 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:06 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:03 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:01 Circumstance wrote:
ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game. painuser made GM once. painuser finished third at an mlg, not sure what you're trying to say he was a good player by foreign standards in early WoL My point was that even if he was good at the game for a while, he wasn't intelligent enough to manage an heathly lifestyle and finish being terrible a the game and sleeping like 3h a day for years. Managing to reach GM doesn't make you responsible, especially if you are 12. You need support to learn how to live healty. good thing he has parents then, which if you had read the thread instead of being stuck on bashing his lifestyle, you would have realized they are heavily involved in this Because letting your kid playing past 4AM is being heavily involved like they should. Ah, how many kids do you have again? Please don't be that guy lecturing others on parenting.
Yeah because having kids or not make the argument of letting your kid sleeps past 4am good or not ? wtf.
And for your question, I dont have any, but I work with a lot of them and I know that lack of sleep and poor scheduling is really bad for their health, and you can say whatever you want, you can't deny that fact.
And I know for sure that it's been weeks that the kid plays past 3AM.
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On August 10 2014 04:23 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:18 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:16 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:15 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:13 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:06 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:03 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:01 Circumstance wrote:
ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game. painuser made GM once. painuser finished third at an mlg, not sure what you're trying to say he was a good player by foreign standards in early WoL My point was that even if he was good at the game for a while, he wasn't intelligent enough to manage an heathly lifestyle and finish being terrible a the game and sleeping like 3h a day for years. Managing to reach GM doesn't make you responsible, especially if you are 12. You need support to learn how to live healty. good thing he has parents then, which if you had read the thread instead of being stuck on bashing his lifestyle, you would have realized they are heavily involved in this Because letting your kid playing past 4AM is being heavily involved like they should. Ah, how many kids do you have again? Please don't be that guy lecturing others on parenting. Yeah because having kids or not make the argument of letting your kid sleeps past 4am good or not ? wtf. And for your question, I dont have any, but I work with a lot of them and I know that lack of sleep and poor scheduling is really bad for their health, and you can say whatever you want, you can't deny that fact. And I know for sure that it's been weeks that the kid plays past 3AM.
No, it just gives you no insight on how to raise a kid. Don't tell others what to do because you don't have any idea yourself.
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On August 10 2014 04:24 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:23 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:18 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:16 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:15 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:13 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:06 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:03 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:01 Circumstance wrote:
ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game. painuser made GM once. painuser finished third at an mlg, not sure what you're trying to say he was a good player by foreign standards in early WoL My point was that even if he was good at the game for a while, he wasn't intelligent enough to manage an heathly lifestyle and finish being terrible a the game and sleeping like 3h a day for years. Managing to reach GM doesn't make you responsible, especially if you are 12. You need support to learn how to live healty. good thing he has parents then, which if you had read the thread instead of being stuck on bashing his lifestyle, you would have realized they are heavily involved in this Because letting your kid playing past 4AM is being heavily involved like they should. Ah, how many kids do you have again? Please don't be that guy lecturing others on parenting. Yeah because having kids or not make the argument of letting your kid sleeps past 4am good or not ? wtf. And for your question, I dont have any, but I work with a lot of them and I know that lack of sleep and poor scheduling is really bad for their health, and you can say whatever you want, you can't deny that fact. And I know for sure that it's been weeks that the kid plays past 3AM. No, it just gives you no insight on how to raise a kid. Don't tell others what to do because you don't have any idea yourself.
How am I not competent for raising kid when I do that for more than 5 years and I have a lot of experience in the domaine ?
Do you want me to give you study on how sleep deprivation affect the life of one? Or are you intelligent enough to guess by yourself how harmful it is?
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On August 10 2014 04:27 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:24 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:23 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:18 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:16 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:15 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:13 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:06 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:03 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:01 Circumstance wrote:
ITT: People who think they know better about the lifestyle of someone who's intelligent enough to make GM at 12 than he does.
Congratulations to Reynor. I LOVE seeing stories about young people being successful and doing awesome things in fields with people who are much older, and I hope he continues to have tremendous success in the game. painuser made GM once. painuser finished third at an mlg, not sure what you're trying to say he was a good player by foreign standards in early WoL My point was that even if he was good at the game for a while, he wasn't intelligent enough to manage an heathly lifestyle and finish being terrible a the game and sleeping like 3h a day for years. Managing to reach GM doesn't make you responsible, especially if you are 12. You need support to learn how to live healty. good thing he has parents then, which if you had read the thread instead of being stuck on bashing his lifestyle, you would have realized they are heavily involved in this Because letting your kid playing past 4AM is being heavily involved like they should. Ah, how many kids do you have again? Please don't be that guy lecturing others on parenting. Yeah because having kids or not make the argument of letting your kid sleeps past 4am good or not ? wtf. And for your question, I dont have any, but I work with a lot of them and I know that lack of sleep and poor scheduling is really bad for their health, and you can say whatever you want, you can't deny that fact. And I know for sure that it's been weeks that the kid plays past 3AM. No, it just gives you no insight on how to raise a kid. Don't tell others what to do because you don't have any idea yourself. How am I not competent for raising kid when I do that for more than 10 years and I have a lot of experience in the domaine ? Do you want me to give you study on how sleep deprivation affect the life of one? Or are you intelligent enough to guess by yourself how harmful it is?
Ah, so you now know how many hours he's sleeping? You got a camera next to his bed I assume. Or maybe you're just intelligent enough to guess. If you're going to make the argument that young boys sleeping until noon during summers now and then is a horrible thing, well then I don't know what to say.
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I don't know why it's so hard for you to realize you know nothing about this whole situation and to let it go. Guess being on the internet does that to you. Did your parents let you sit at the pc for too long and now you can't stop until you're right? Bad parenting clearly.
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On August 10 2014 04:30 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:27 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:24 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:23 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:18 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:16 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:15 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:13 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:06 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 04:03 Faust852 wrote:
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painuser made GM once. painuser finished third at an mlg, not sure what you're trying to say he was a good player by foreign standards in early WoL My point was that even if he was good at the game for a while, he wasn't intelligent enough to manage an heathly lifestyle and finish being terrible a the game and sleeping like 3h a day for years. Managing to reach GM doesn't make you responsible, especially if you are 12. You need support to learn how to live healty. good thing he has parents then, which if you had read the thread instead of being stuck on bashing his lifestyle, you would have realized they are heavily involved in this Because letting your kid playing past 4AM is being heavily involved like they should. Ah, how many kids do you have again? Please don't be that guy lecturing others on parenting. Yeah because having kids or not make the argument of letting your kid sleeps past 4am good or not ? wtf. And for your question, I dont have any, but I work with a lot of them and I know that lack of sleep and poor scheduling is really bad for their health, and you can say whatever you want, you can't deny that fact. And I know for sure that it's been weeks that the kid plays past 3AM. No, it just gives you no insight on how to raise a kid. Don't tell others what to do because you don't have any idea yourself. How am I not competent for raising kid when I do that for more than 10 years and I have a lot of experience in the domaine ? Do you want me to give you study on how sleep deprivation affect the life of one? Or are you intelligent enough to guess by yourself how harmful it is? Ah, so you now know how many hours he's sleeping? You got a camera next to his bed I assume. Or maybe you're just intelligent enough to guess. If you're going to make the argument that young boys sleeping until noon during summers now and then is a horrible thing, well then I don't know what to say.
Sleep scheduling is as important as having the good amount of sleep. And FYI, kid his age should sleep at least for 10 hours.
And considering the huge amount of time he spends on a computer for his age, his lifestyle is everything but a good one.
Anyway, I'll stop there cuz you seems to be an expert on kid's healthcare and if you have kid, I hope you don't let them get these bad habits or you are just a terrible parent. That's my last post on this thread, have fun.
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On August 10 2014 04:33 nkr wrote:
I don't know why it's so hard for you to realize you know nothing about this whole situation and to let it go. Guess being on the internet does that to you. Did your parents let you sit at the pc for too long and now you can't stop until you're right? Bad parenting clearly.
I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency.
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So they knew the identities and ages of every player to ever reach GM every season on every region? Cool story but what's the point in making these claims...
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Ah yes, the wonders of post hoc ergo propter hoc
you better be done because that's a horrible argument
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On August 10 2014 04:40 nkr wrote:
Ah yes, the wonders of post hoc ergo propter hoc
you better be done because that's a horrible argument
Or having a parent that is a child psychiatrist. But keep using latin words, that make you more intelligent when you have no arguments whatsoever to counter mines.
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I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency.
lol
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Your argument is so filled with holes that this is the last post I will write (unlike you I actually mean it)
Sitting at a PC doesn't make you depressed. No social activity and no sleeping can make you depressed. Do I need to spell it out to you how dumb what you just said was? I would expect the same from a FOX News reporter. You can sit at a PC for hours on end and still get what you need. You have no idea if that happens or not because you don't know anything about this case, but you feel the need to spout your dumb shit anyway.
But please, prove us all wrong and show me your brilliant study on how a pc monitor causes depression and suicidal tendencies.
Jesus Christ.
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On August 10 2014 04:35 Faust852 wrote:
I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency.
As SuperHofmann stated, his parents are heavily involved, and monitor constantly the health and education of their kids (yes, they have more than one). Fact is that this is none of your business, but fyi we're in summer time in Italy, and school runs from september to june. Moreover you didn't read well the OP, as Reynor is currently in mYi gaming house, that's called holiday, thing you clearly don't grasp (and I suspect it's not the only thing).
By the way, when I was 12 I was used to pull all nighters on Civ 1, and look what, 24 years later I've not developed depression, suicide tendency, nor childish flaming tendencies.
On August 10 2014 04:43 Faust852 wrote:
Or having a parent that is a child psychiatrist. But keep using latin words, that make you more intelligent when you have no arguments whatsoever to counter mines.
Since when having such a father makes you a child psychiatrist? Mine was a bartender, and I don't run around drunk my whole time.
You really know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer?
I do. Man, you're the star.
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On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol
Don't take that as something that happens all the time, but this can lead to some of these tendencies. And ofc these reactions usually occure when the kid reach his adolescence. And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho.
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On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:
And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho.
Tell me, exactly what's your source for this information? You know his daily schedule of studying, playing, sleeping (things we actually do) or you're just trying to appear bolder than you actually are?
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On August 10 2014 04:48 nkr wrote:
Your argument is so filled with holes that this is the last post I will write (unlike you I actually mean it)
Sitting at a PC doesn't make you depressed. No social activity and no sleeping can make you depressed. Do I need to spell it out to you how dumb what you just said was? I would expect the same from a FOX News reporter. You can sit at a PC for hours on end and still get what you need. You have no idea if that happens or not because you don't know anything about this case, but you feel the need to spout your dumb shit anyway.
But please, prove us all wrong and show me your brilliant study on how a pc monitor causes depression and suicidal tendencies.
Jesus Christ.
Can you even read FFS? Did I say that playing computer lead to suicide ?
I spend a lot of time on the computer, that doesn't make me want to kill myself. That might be because i'm not using my native language here, but what I mean is that abusing of the computer, and having poor sleeping habit, can lead to bad tendency that can be quite severe. You need to have a good lifestyle and that was my point.
I talk to kids that were recluse because of their computer addictions. And they had symptoms of depression.
On August 10 2014 04:54 Spirit.iMK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:
And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho. Tell me, exactly what's your source for this information? You know his daily schedule of studying, playing, sleeping (things we actually do) or you're just trying to appear bolder than you actually are?
I played him late at night quite a few time, and i'm not the only one. And he has a huge amount of games already.
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On August 10 2014 04:55 Faust852 wrote:
You need to have a good lifestyle and that was my point.
Even if it's none of your business and all of this looks like a blatantly case of needing attention, I can assure that yes, he has a good lifestyle. Case closed, you can go back looking at yours.
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On August 10 2014 04:57 Spirit.iMK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:55 Faust852 wrote:
You need to have a good lifestyle and that was my point. Even if it's none of your business and all of this looks like a blatantly case of needing attention, I can assure that yes, he has a good lifestyle. Case closed, you can go back looking at yours.
Yeah but since there is a post about him on TL it becomes the business of everyone that can read it so thank you.
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On August 10 2014 04:59 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:57 Spirit.iMK wrote:On August 10 2014 04:55 Faust852 wrote:
You need to have a good lifestyle and that was my point. Even if it's none of your business and all of this looks like a blatantly case of needing attention, I can assure that yes, he has a good lifestyle. Case closed, you can go back looking at yours. Yeah but since there is a post about him on TL it becomes the business of everyone that can read it so thank you.
As I'm the OP, I am quite sure there was something about him being promoted in GM, and not a single word about schedule, sleeping deprivation and poo consistency.
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On August 10 2014 04:48 Spirit.iMK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:35 Faust852 wrote:
I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. As SuperHofmann stated, his parents are heavily involved, and monitor constantly the health and education of their kids (yes, they have more than one). Fact is that this is none of your business, but fyi we're in summer time in Italy, and school runs from september to june. Moreover you didn't read well the OP, as Reynor is currently in mYi gaming house, that's called holiday, thing you clearly don't grasp (and I suspect it's not the only thing). By the way, when I was 12 I was used to pull all nighters on Civ 1, and look what, 24 years later I've not developed depression, suicide tendency, nor childish flaming tendencies. Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:43 Faust852 wrote:
Or having a parent that is a child psychiatrist. But keep using latin words, that make you more intelligent when you have no arguments whatsoever to counter mines. Since when having such a father makes you a child psychiatrist? Mine was a bartender, and I don't run around drunk my whole time. You really know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer? I do. Man, you're the star.
Lol, I just use my parent as a reference to say that my sources about kids tendencies weren't some FOX shit.
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On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol Don't take that as something that happens all the time, but this can lead to some of these tendencies. And ofc these reactions usually occure when the kid reach his adolescence. And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho.
that's not why i laughed, I laughed because I think it's crap
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On August 10 2014 05:02 Spirit.iMK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:59 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:57 Spirit.iMK wrote:On August 10 2014 04:55 Faust852 wrote:
You need to have a good lifestyle and that was my point. Even if it's none of your business and all of this looks like a blatantly case of needing attention, I can assure that yes, he has a good lifestyle. Case closed, you can go back looking at yours. Yeah but since there is a post about him on TL it becomes the business of everyone that can read it so thank you. As I'm the OP, I am quite sure there was something about him being promoted in GM, and not a single word about schedule, sleeping deprivation and poo consistency.
And you said that he reached GM at 4AM, which is enough for people to wonder. And it's not your right to decide what we can extrapolate or not I guess.
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On August 10 2014 05:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol Don't take that as something that happens all the time, but this can lead to some of these tendencies. And ofc these reactions usually occure when the kid reach his adolescence. And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho. that's not why i laughed, I laughed because I think it's crap
I'd appreciate to know how much you know about this subject then, that might be great. My sources come directly from a child psychatrist and me working with ADHD kids a couple of month a year for 5 years.
Anyway, I have to go have fun !
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On August 10 2014 05:06 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 05:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol Don't take that as something that happens all the time, but this can lead to some of these tendencies. And ofc these reactions usually occure when the kid reach his adolescence. And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho. that's not why i laughed, I laughed because I think it's crap I'd appreciate to know how much you know about this subject then, that might be great. My sources come directly from a child psychatrist and me working with ADHD kids a couple of month a year for 5 years. Anyway, I have to go have fun !
I don't think it's anything to do with the computer, I think it's more to do with the kid themselves, often people who spend vast amounts of time on computers do so because they're socially inept and that causes the problems that you are talking about not the time they spend on a computer.
Anyway I will pass you a bigger shovel.
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On August 10 2014 05:06 Faust852 wrote:
I'd appreciate to know how much you know about this subject then, that might be great. My sources come directly from a child psychatrist and me working with ADHD kids a couple of month a year for 5 years.
Anyway, I have to go have fun !
Fine then, thanks for your unnecessary opinion about someone you clearly don't know anything about. Next time I'll post a paper about this on arXiv and wait for your peer review.
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On August 10 2014 05:10 Ovid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 05:06 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 05:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol Don't take that as something that happens all the time, but this can lead to some of these tendencies. And ofc these reactions usually occure when the kid reach his adolescence. And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho. that's not why i laughed, I laughed because I think it's crap I'd appreciate to know how much you know about this subject then, that might be great. My sources come directly from a child psychatrist and me working with ADHD kids a couple of month a year for 5 years. Anyway, I have to go have fun ! I don't think it's anything to do with the computer, I think it's more to do with the kid themselves, often people who spend vast amounts of time on computers do so because they're socially inept and that causes the problems that you are talking about not the time they spend on a computer. Anyway I will pass you a bigger shovel.
sums it up nicely ^^
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On August 09 2014 22:55 SC2Towelie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future. Can't tell if trolling..........
Yeah, well, that's part of the problem. You don't know what is right or wrong.
12 year old kid should be sleeping at night. Growth hormones and cortisol are released only at night and only in deep sleep. Kid is growing. Doesn't sleep at night, he'll grow to be about 5'5.
I get it, many gamers have irregular sleeping patterns, stay up all night, sleep in the day. I'm sorry to be that guy to break it to you, that your lifestyle is unhealthy. And it's even more so detrimental to a child in puberty. You don't have to believe me, ask your GP/family physician.
Being up at 330 playing a demanding video games is not good for a 12 year old. It's not a grey area, it's not up for discussion. And if for whatever reason, you lack the common sense to arrive at this conclusion for yourself... it's time to get off the computer and go amongst people, talk to some parents. There's a reason there's a bed time. Children that lack a steady sleeping schedule have a significantly increased risk of suffering from ADHD amongst other things.
You can pretend like this is me being a hardass all you like, but if you let your 12 year old kid be up at 3 am for whatever reason, you're a god awful parent and shame on you.
edit: And if you've been entrusted with the care of said child and let it be up at that hour, then shame on you too.
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On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
I didn't know you were the father, congratulations! You must be so proud of your boy!
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Playing League of Legends and Starcraft with your friends at silver/gold level is fine but a 12 y/o getting gm in one of the most hardest and most stressful multiplayer game? As much as it might look good for him but being so young and already being consumed by the game is definitely not a good thing.
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To think that at his age I still used to get a scolding if my parents caught me reading a book after 10pm.
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I played broodwar before this kid was even a concept, and he's probably better at RTS than I ever will be :s
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On August 10 2014 06:07 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Playing League of Legends and Starcraft with your friends at silver/gold level is fine but a 12 y/o getting gm in one of the most hardest and most stressful multiplayer game? As much as it might look good for him but being so young and already being consumed by the game is definitely not a good thing.
If he's cheesing every game its probably not so stressful. Also you'd be surprised what youngsters are capable of. They have way more energy/resilience than people expect
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first of all congratz! quite an achievement
about the sleeping enough or not enough...
maybe just go ask your family physician if its healthy for a 12 year old to stay up at night at 4AM playing video games
if your physician says its healthy, then well no need to talk about Reynors sleep habits then
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On August 10 2014 07:08 mikumegurine wrote:
maybe just go ask your family physician if its healthy for a 12 year old to stay up at night at 4AM playing video games
if your physician says its healthy, then well no need to talk about Reynors sleep habits then
I was asked at that age to get up at 4am each day for swimming practise and then have another training session later in the day (10pm at latest) would you call that unhealthy?
The parents and the child make the shots who are we to question?
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On August 10 2014 07:10 Ovid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 07:08 mikumegurine wrote:
maybe just go ask your family physician if its healthy for a 12 year old to stay up at night at 4AM playing video games
if your physician says its healthy, then well no need to talk about Reynors sleep habits then I was asked at that age to get up at 4am each day for swimming practise and then have another training session later in the day (10pm at latest) would you call that unhealthy? The parents and the child make the shots who are we to question?
"we" might not have the right to question
thats why i said ask a certified medical physician for their professional opinion on health
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On August 10 2014 05:06 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 05:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol Don't take that as something that happens all the time, but this can lead to some of these tendencies. And ofc these reactions usually occure when the kid reach his adolescence. And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho. that's not why i laughed, I laughed because I think it's crap I'd appreciate to know how much you know about this subject then, that might be great. My sources come directly from a child psychatrist and me working with ADHD kids a couple of month a year for 5 years. Anyway, I have to go have fun !
well i spent most of my adolescence behind a computer or behind the tv playing console games and i turned out pretty ok. Guess it doesnt apply to everyone uh?
and sleep... well im not a sleep expert but i'd say as long as he sleeps 8 hrs a day its good.
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On August 10 2014 07:10 Ovid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 07:08 mikumegurine wrote:
maybe just go ask your family physician if its healthy for a 12 year old to stay up at night at 4AM playing video games
if your physician says its healthy, then well no need to talk about Reynors sleep habits then I was asked at that age to get up at 4am each day for swimming practise and then have another training session later in the day (10pm at latest) would you call that unhealthy? The parents and the child make the shots who are we to question?
i hope you actually liked swimming and werent forced into it
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For those people questioning this childs health based on essentially no information i'd just like you to answer a few questions.
1 - Exactly how often does he stay up this late playing SC2?
2 - What are his normal sleeping patterns and how much sleep does he normally get?
3 - What the exact effects of lack of sleep on a 12 year old child and how much sleep do you need to miss before it becomes an issue?
4 - How is Reynor developing as a child? Is he doing well at school? Is he growing normally? Do you know anything at all about him besides that he stayed up late one night playing SC2?
Frankly if you don't know any of this then who the f*ck are you to be questioning the morals or ethics of his parents and how they're raising him. Would these same question be getting asked if he was up early training for a sport like swimming? Did none of you guys ever stay up late playing games or even doing something you shouldn't?
Also i just have to lol at the reasons being given. Oh i work with ADHD kids a few months a year and i know i psychiatrist. That fully makes you able to assess a childs health based on the tiny sliver of information provided in this thread. What does your work with ADHD children actually include? What are your qualifications? Exactly what did the psychiatrist tell you and what information did they have about Reynor to provide you with such information.
I have actually worked in and studied paedatrics but i wouldn't for a second presume that meant i could making sweeping assumptions about a 12 year olds health based on him having one late night. Great you know how cortisol is released by the human body and what impact it has. That doesn't mean you are qualified to pass judgement here.
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so many haters and jelliness in this thread.... Well done Reynor! amazing
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On August 10 2014 05:33 SeXyBaCk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 22:55 SC2Towelie wrote:On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future. Can't tell if trolling.......... 12 year old kid should be sleeping at night. Growth hormones and cortisol are released only at night and only in deep sleep. Kid is growing. Doesn't sleep at night, he'll grow to be about 5'5.
So as i posted above show me the research about cortisol and how it affects a childs growth. How much sleep is Reynor getting? How much sleep does a child that age need to not have his growth affected? Has Reynor showing any signs of this or is he growing just like everyone else? Not to mention there are plenty of people who end up short simply because of their genetics.
On August 10 2014 05:33 SeXyBaCk wrote:I get it, many gamers have irregular sleeping patterns, stay up all night, sleep in the day. I'm sorry to be that guy to break it to you, that your lifestyle is unhealthy. And it's even more so detrimental to a child in puberty. You don't have to believe me, ask your GP/family physician.
What is Reynors sleeping pattern? Yes he stayed up late that one night what about in general? The truth is you have no f*cking idea and you're making huge assumptions about his life. Obviously not getting enough sleep and regularly sleeping at the wrong times has an impact on your body. You only have to work shift workers that. Unless you can approve that this actually applies to Reynor it's worthless information.
On August 10 2014 05:33 SeXyBaCk wrote:Being up at 330 playing a demanding video games is not good for a 12 year old. It's not a grey area, it's not up for discussion. And if for whatever reason, you lack the common sense to arrive at this conclusion for yourself... it's time to get off the computer and go amongst people, talk to some parents. There's a reason there's a bed time. Children that lack a steady sleeping schedule have a significantly increased risk of suffering from ADHD amongst other things.
Show me the specific research linking ADHD to staying up late as a 12 year old. Because as far as i'm aware that isn't what actually causes ADHD and just some quick reading would suggest it doesn't cause ADHD (especially in a child who is already 12). Being a parent doesn't qualify you to make this sort of judgement either, i'm not sure what anyone is supposed to gain by asking a random parent.
You're making some pretty extraordinary with little to back them up and then just acting like it's common knowledge.
On August 10 2014 05:33 SeXyBaCk wrote:You can pretend like this is me being a hardass all you like, but if you let your 12 year old kid be up at 3 am for whatever reason, you're a god awful parent and shame on you.
edit: And if you've been entrusted with the care of said child and let it be up at that hour, then shame on you too.
What a load of tripe. Kids sometimes stay up late, get the over it. I sometimes stayed up late reading a book or playing a game without letting my parents know. On christmas or easter sometimes i would stay up late because i was too excited to sleep. Occasionally my friends and i would have sleepovers and we would be up most of the night talking and playing and doing whatever.
We all developed perfectly fine and there is absolutely nothing abnormal about any of those things. Calling someone a god awful parent because they let their child stay up to 3.30 once is an embarrassing statement to make and you just come off as an asshole. It's not true at all and it's incredibly insulting for no reason.
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On August 10 2014 07:45 ElBlanco wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 05:33 SeXyBaCk wrote:On August 09 2014 22:55 SC2Towelie wrote:On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future. Can't tell if trolling.......... 12 year old kid should be sleeping at night. Growth hormones and cortisol are released only at night and only in deep sleep. Kid is growing. Doesn't sleep at night, he'll grow to be about 5'5. So as i posted above show me the research about cortisol and how it affects a childs growth. How much sleep is Reynor getting? How much sleep does a child that age need to not have his growth affected? Has Reynor showing any signs of this or is he growing just like everyone else? Not to mention there are plenty of people who end up short simply because of their genetics. Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 05:33 SeXyBaCk wrote:I get it, many gamers have irregular sleeping patterns, stay up all night, sleep in the day. I'm sorry to be that guy to break it to you, that your lifestyle is unhealthy. And it's even more so detrimental to a child in puberty. You don't have to believe me, ask your GP/family physician. What is Reynors sleeping pattern? Yes he stayed up late that one night what about in general? The truth is you have no f*cking idea and you're making huge assumptions about his life. Obviously not getting enough sleep and regularly sleeping at the wrong times has an impact on your body. You only have to work shift workers that. Unless you can approve that this actually applies to Reynor it's worthless information. Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 05:33 SeXyBaCk wrote:Being up at 330 playing a demanding video games is not good for a 12 year old. It's not a grey area, it's not up for discussion. And if for whatever reason, you lack the common sense to arrive at this conclusion for yourself... it's time to get off the computer and go amongst people, talk to some parents. There's a reason there's a bed time. Children that lack a steady sleeping schedule have a significantly increased risk of suffering from ADHD amongst other things. Show me the specific research linking ADHD to staying up late as a 12 year old. Because as far as i'm aware that isn't what actually causes ADHD and just some quick reading would suggest it doesn't cause ADHD (especially in a child who is already 12). Being a parent doesn't qualify you to make this sort of judgement either, i'm not sure what anyone is supposed to gain by asking a random parent. You're making some pretty extraordinary with little to back them up and then just acting like it's common knowledge. Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 05:33 SeXyBaCk wrote:You can pretend like this is me being a hardass all you like, but if you let your 12 year old kid be up at 3 am for whatever reason, you're a god awful parent and shame on you.
edit: And if you've been entrusted with the care of said child and let it be up at that hour, then shame on you too. What a load of tripe. Kids sometimes stay up late, get the over it. I sometimes stayed up late reading a book or playing a game without letting my parents know. On christmas or easter sometimes i would stay up late because i was too excited to sleep. Occasionally my friends and i would have sleepovers and we would be up most of the night talking and playing and doing whatever. We all developed perfectly fine and there is absolutely nothing abnormal about any of those things. Calling someone a god awful parent because they let their child stay up to 3.30 once is an embarrassing statement to make and you just come off as an asshole. It's not true at all and it's incredibly insulting for no reason.
Yep, just more hyperbolic statements. God forbid if it was ever known that this kid was suffering neglect or from some real irresponsible parenting.
Pretty amazing to get to a GM level aged 12, will look out for this kid in the future.
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How many doctors here. I am Reynor's father, I know that now is not a good hour for a 12 year old child, but remember that it is only for this week, and i can close my eyes for his dream. When he is at home has a very normal rhythm of sleep. I know the myinsanity guys and i'm very quiet. I think that now you're exceeded a bit. Why have you this hate?
He makes sport, has a good performance in school and he is an happy child. what's the problem. It has no girlfriend ando so more time for SC2.
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On August 10 2014 05:33 SeXyBaCk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 22:55 SC2Towelie wrote:On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future. Can't tell if trolling.......... Yeah, well, that's part of the problem. You don't know what is right or wrong. 12 year old kid should be sleeping at night. Growth hormones and cortisol are released only at night and only in deep sleep. Kid is growing. Doesn't sleep at night, he'll grow to be about 5'5. I get it, many gamers have irregular sleeping patterns, stay up all night, sleep in the day. I'm sorry to be that guy to break it to you, that your lifestyle is unhealthy. And it's even more so detrimental to a child in puberty. You don't have to believe me, ask your GP/family physician. Being up at 330 playing a demanding video games is not good for a 12 year old. It's not a grey area, it's not up for discussion. And if for whatever reason, you lack the common sense to arrive at this conclusion for yourself... it's time to get off the computer and go amongst people, talk to some parents. There's a reason there's a bed time. Children that lack a steady sleeping schedule have a significantly increased risk of suffering from ADHD amongst other things. You can pretend like this is me being a hardass all you like, but if you let your 12 year old kid be up at 3 am for whatever reason, you're a god awful parent and shame on you. edit: And if you've been entrusted with the care of said child and let it be up at that hour, then shame on you too.
Someone letting their child stay up late isn't a god awful parent. Theres a huge gray area that you missed, because like you said yourself, you lack the ability or common sense to reach such a basic conclusion. Your words hurt man, his father is posting in this thread, you need to back off and wake up to reality and deal with your own problems first before you get on other peoples cases and call them horrible parents, because your attitude sucks man, it sucks bad.
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On August 09 2014 22:55 myRZeth wrote:
he s cheesing every game
Omg, How many games he did with you? 1 -2? You look his streaming? i don't think, and then?
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On August 10 2014 08:15 Squall71 wrote:
How many doctors here. I am Reynor's father, I know that now is not a good hour for a 12 year old child, but remember that it is only for this week, and i can close my eyes for his dream. When he is at home has a very normal rhythm of sleep. I know the myinsanity guys and i'm very quiet. I think that now you're exceeded a bit. Why have you this hate?
He makes sport, has a good performance in school and he is an happy child. what's the problem. It has no girlfriend ando so more time for SC2.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Just trolls, jealous people, or those who have never ventured past their mum's suburban home.
Seems like you have a handsome, talented and happy child on your hands and should be very proud.
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lol @ people QQing about being up so late as a kid.
im pretty sure he still sleeps his 7-9 hours every day, why the fuck would anyone care WHEN you sleep oO
every person has a different sleep pattern. if i would go to sleep before 1 am it would be useless cuz i simply wont ever be tired, despite working at 8 am the next day.
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Why has everyone assumed that his gm status achieved at 3-4 AM means the kid always stays awake until 3-4 AM? And if staying till 3-4 AM is bad, negative attitude that some people show is far worse for someone of his age.
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On August 10 2014 09:10 darkness wrote:
Why has everyone assumed that his gm status achieved at 3-4 AM means the kid always stays awake until 3-4 AM? And if staying till 3-4 AM is bad, negative attitude that some people show is far worse for someone of his age.
Yes. There is also a good chance that he was marathoning or something to reach grandmaster, or he was close and wanted to keep playing until he reached it.
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lmao, kid stays up until 3 am playing a game and people go nuts. hilarious
12 is pretty old, I don't really think its a big deal if 12 year old wants to get 6 hours of sleep a night...
has it even been said how much sleep he actually gets a night? it'd make a lot of you sound like gigantic dumbasses if he just sleeps those nights from 4am to noon
On August 10 2014 08:15 Squall71 wrote:
How many doctors here. I am Reynor's father, I know that now is not a good hour for a 12 year old child, but remember that it is only for this week, and i can close my eyes for his dream. When he is at home has a very normal rhythm of sleep. I know the myinsanity guys and i'm very quiet. I think that now you're exceeded a bit. Why have you this hate?
He makes sport, has a good performance in school and he is an happy child. what's the problem. It has no girlfriend ando so more time for SC2.
don't give what they are saying too much thought.. like you said they are not doctors. i know lots of people who had erratic sleep schedules growing up and they are fine anyways
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Congrats.
The amount of idiots in this thread criticizing and then trying to act like they know what they are talking about is hilarious.
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what an insignificant accomplishment thats getting overblown. wow congrats reynor.
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On August 10 2014 00:15 Sipario wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 00:08 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 00:06 Sipario wrote:On August 09 2014 23:57 Faust852 wrote:What's your point ? It's ok if you want to troll me about my country, but since you come from italy, you should just avoid doing that ^^ really ?? oh yes i forgot LUX. has given so much to world civilization who doesnt know Cesare, Leonardo, Raffaello, Michelangelo,Dante, Fermi, Giotto, Volta,Pirandello great men from Lux. And yet, you live in one of the poorest country of Europe and ask money to countries like germany or luxembourg everyday. So please, avoid bashing me for my country, this is stupid and infantile. And I don't see the point in doing that at all. Take a look man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal)and this if u understand numbers ( if u dont undestand i can tell u Italy pays for u ): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_GDP_(nominal) see u poor man !!
Yes and china is the 2nd richest country in the world, and GDP says alot about current account or Government deficicits or surplusses.
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First off, congrats Reynor!
As a kid I couldn't sleep that much. My parents would force me to go to bed at 10pm and I would wake up at 3am. I didn't have a computer as a child so couldn't do much though. Read books, draw random pictures, etc. And I would be perfectly fine the rest of the day. Until my junior year in high school I was the tallest kid in the school.
You can't simply think of all 12 year olds as the same person. Everyone has different genes, personalities, habits, etc. While staying up late I guess isn't necessarily a good thing, calling the parents and mYi out that it's hurting the kid really badly is a bit condescending and partially groundless. I do hope he gets good rests though.
I'm pretty sure everyone here on TL wishes Reynor to be successful and healthy at the same time.
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Gotta love everyone that is saying that he should be in school or sleeping lmfao.. sheep.
Would love to see him win a big tournament or so before he's 14 or w/e, people like this make stories that spectators love to follow
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On August 10 2014 10:34 Liquid`Snute wrote:support, understanding and love from the people closest to you outweighs any temporary off sleep schedule ... pretty sure  doing what you love is invaluable - no matter the age. some of us were born early, some of us late. and now there are video games. welcome to the GM club Reynor 
and here I was thinking i couldn't love snute more <3. Well put
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Flash reached A+ on Iccup while he was learning to walk.
kidding aside good job kid
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On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
The hate and jealousness is strong in you!
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Still no kolll. 14 y/o kid that reached B+ after... I want to say 4 months? Proceeded to wreck the entire western scene until WoL release.
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Why so much hate ? I know his parents, been with them and Reynor at DH Bucharest, they are fantastic persons, wish i could had parents like that at his age
Anyway congratulations, well deserved GM, i remember last summer where i used to win sometimes against him, now meh another story :D
GG
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Where does OP get his stats from? No disrespect but there were good amounts of young Asian gamers South Korea/China taiwan that pretty much gained Pro level around 12, let alone hitting gm 9-11 years of age. Congrats I guess. But I mean Life/Maru are pro gamers and prob hit gm at a younger age on the ladder...
South Korea like breeds young players ages 10+ into pro gamers. I guess in Europe and North America that is something pretty new due to culture differences.
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On August 10 2014 16:10 LingBlingBling wrote:
Where does OP get his stats from? No disrespect but there were good amounts of young Asian gamers South Korea/China taiwan that pretty much gained Pro level around 12, let alone hitting gm 9-11 years of age. Congrats I guess. But I mean Life/Maru are pro gamers and prob hit gm at a younger age on the ladder...
South Korea like breeds young players ages 10+ into pro gamers. I guess in Europe and North America that is something pretty new due to culture differences.
where do you get your stats from?
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On August 10 2014 16:14 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 16:10 LingBlingBling wrote:
Where does OP get his stats from? No disrespect but there were good amounts of young Asian gamers South Korea/China taiwan that pretty much gained Pro level around 12, let alone hitting gm 9-11 years of age. Congrats I guess. But I mean Life/Maru are pro gamers and prob hit gm at a younger age on the ladder...
South Korea like breeds young players ages 10+ into pro gamers. I guess in Europe and North America that is something pretty new due to culture differences. where do you get your stats from?
It's common knowledge in Esports....any knowledgeable source like Artosis, hundreds of Korean articles on Maru/life, simple google search will do. Brood war had young farms that would have coaches come and pick up young talent for teams. Young pro gamers are common in Asia, let alone getting GM on B.net ladder.....
Really doubt that the OP being 12 is the youngest in the "World" to reach like Battle.net GM. I mean were on Heart of the swarm..........Younger gamers were gm in WOL.
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On August 10 2014 16:37 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 16:14 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 16:10 LingBlingBling wrote:
Where does OP get his stats from? No disrespect but there were good amounts of young Asian gamers South Korea/China taiwan that pretty much gained Pro level around 12, let alone hitting gm 9-11 years of age. Congrats I guess. But I mean Life/Maru are pro gamers and prob hit gm at a younger age on the ladder...
South Korea like breeds young players ages 10+ into pro gamers. I guess in Europe and North America that is something pretty new due to culture differences. where do you get your stats from? It's common knowledge in Esports....any knowledgeable source like Artosis, hundreds of Korean articles on Maru/life, simple google search will do. Brood war had young farms that would have coaches come and pick up young talent for teams. Young pro gamers are common in Asia, let alone getting GM on B.net ladder..... Really doubt that the OP being 12 is the youngest in the "World" to reach like Battle.net GM. I mean were on Heart of the swarm..........Younger gamers were gm in WOL.
Life and Maru were both older than this kid is now when SC2 launched (let alone it took a long while for Masters/GM leagues to be introduced).
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On August 10 2014 16:37 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 16:14 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 16:10 LingBlingBling wrote:
Where does OP get his stats from? No disrespect but there were good amounts of young Asian gamers South Korea/China taiwan that pretty much gained Pro level around 12, let alone hitting gm 9-11 years of age. Congrats I guess. But I mean Life/Maru are pro gamers and prob hit gm at a younger age on the ladder...
South Korea like breeds young players ages 10+ into pro gamers. I guess in Europe and North America that is something pretty new due to culture differences. where do you get your stats from? It's common knowledge in Esports....any knowledgeable source like Artosis, hundreds of Korean articles on Maru/life, simple google search will do. Brood war had young farms that would have coaches come and pick up young talent for teams. Young pro gamers are common in Asia, let alone getting GM on B.net ladder..... Really doubt that the OP being 12 is the youngest in the "World" to reach like Battle.net GM. I mean were on Heart of the swarm..........Younger gamers were gm in WOL.
Common knowledge as it is "known" but we have to take your word for it ? Until somebody says player X hit GM while being this old, then this guy is the youngest.
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Oh wow, this guy is actually younger than Starcraft. I was his age when it came out, feelin' kinda old.
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On August 10 2014 17:16 rotta wrote:
Oh wow, this guy is actually younger than Starcraft. I was his age when it came out, feelin' kinda old.
old man high five o/ don't hit too hard though, at our age osteoporosis is a real worry
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On August 10 2014 16:37 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 16:14 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 16:10 LingBlingBling wrote:
Where does OP get his stats from? No disrespect but there were good amounts of young Asian gamers South Korea/China taiwan that pretty much gained Pro level around 12, let alone hitting gm 9-11 years of age. Congrats I guess. But I mean Life/Maru are pro gamers and prob hit gm at a younger age on the ladder...
South Korea like breeds young players ages 10+ into pro gamers. I guess in Europe and North America that is something pretty new due to culture differences. where do you get your stats from? It's common knowledge in Esports....any knowledgeable source like Artosis, hundreds of Korean articles on Maru/life, simple google search will do. Brood war had young farms that would have coaches come and pick up young talent for teams. Young pro gamers are common in Asia, let alone getting GM on B.net ladder..... Really doubt that the OP being 12 is the youngest in the "World" to reach like Battle.net GM. I mean were on Heart of the swarm..........Younger gamers were gm in WOL.
you don't see the irony in disputing his lack of "stats" with hearsay?
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On August 10 2014 17:00 UberNuB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 16:37 LingBlingBling wrote:On August 10 2014 16:14 nkr wrote:On August 10 2014 16:10 LingBlingBling wrote:
Where does OP get his stats from? No disrespect but there were good amounts of young Asian gamers South Korea/China taiwan that pretty much gained Pro level around 12, let alone hitting gm 9-11 years of age. Congrats I guess. But I mean Life/Maru are pro gamers and prob hit gm at a younger age on the ladder...
South Korea like breeds young players ages 10+ into pro gamers. I guess in Europe and North America that is something pretty new due to culture differences. where do you get your stats from? It's common knowledge in Esports....any knowledgeable source like Artosis, hundreds of Korean articles on Maru/life, simple google search will do. Brood war had young farms that would have coaches come and pick up young talent for teams. Young pro gamers are common in Asia, let alone getting GM on B.net ladder..... Really doubt that the OP being 12 is the youngest in the "World" to reach like Battle.net GM. I mean were on Heart of the swarm..........Younger gamers were gm in WOL. Life and Maru were both older than this kid is now when SC2 launched (let alone it took a long while for Masters/GM leagues to be introduced).
Life and Maru, both born in 1997.
GM introduced in patch 1.3.0 released in march 2011.
Math says that that both players at that time were 13~14yrs old (not counting days), so, apart from unknown barcodes out there which we know nothing about, this at the moment makes Reynor the youngest --KNOWN-- GM.
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On August 10 2014 16:37 LingBlingBling wrote:
Really doubt that the OP being 12 is the youngest in the "World" to reach like Battle.net GM. I mean were on Heart of the swarm..........Younger gamers were gm in WOL.
Like who? Names, please
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On August 10 2014 14:34 Celial wrote:
Still no kolll. 14 y/o kid that reached B+ after... I want to say 4 months? Proceeded to wreck the entire western scene until WoL release.
kolll was very talented, but he also was some kind of "one build wonder". his success was almost exclusively built on 2 hatch muta builds and his sick muta control. still a great achievement.
@topic: gratz to the kid.
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On August 10 2014 01:44 Drake wrote:
isnt the game 12+ ? i doubt the started 40 days ago xD
also i see he was on that tournamments with 11 years ? pretty sure thats not legal with 11 playing this game ^^
It's actually a 16. But to be frankly, I think StarCraft is waay more kid friendly than Call of Duty, GTA and a lot of other games that kids tends to be playing nowadays. 
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On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol
To be honest, I don't really find children becoming depressed and killing themselves funny.
(Not saying this is the case here because Reynor obviously has a good support around him with mYi and his parents, and his more chasing a dream rather than being a waster)
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On August 10 2014 07:43 NEEDZMOAR wrote:so many haters and jelliness in this thread.... Well done Reynor! amazing
I don't think so. I think 90% of posters on this thread have all been pleased for Reynor and congratulated him on his achievement.
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On August 10 2014 18:28 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 07:43 NEEDZMOAR wrote:so many haters and jelliness in this thread.... Well done Reynor! amazing I don't think so. I think 90% of posters on this thread have all been pleased for Reynor and congratulated him on his achievement.
It's an amazing achivement and I can't for the life of me understand how he did it, when I was 12 I could barely operate a computer.
I think its really disgusting that so many people are bashing him here, just because he did something most people never could achive its not a valid excuse to bash him.
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Years ago there was a swedish kid in their national BroodWar B team, who was killing most of the good foreigners out there... and the kid was 9 years old.
Do you remember his nick?
The other such case is uT)Sorsy who at 11 years old was among the best zerg foreigners in 2003-4
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On August 10 2014 18:47 kiLen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 18:28 Crot4le wrote:On August 10 2014 07:43 NEEDZMOAR wrote:so many haters and jelliness in this thread.... Well done Reynor! amazing I don't think so. I think 90% of posters on this thread have all been pleased for Reynor and congratulated him on his achievement. It's an amazing achivement and I can't for the life of me understand how he did it, when I was 12 I could barely operate a computer. I think its really disgusting that so many people are bashing him here, just because he did something most people never could achive its not a valid excuse to bash him.
I don't think anyone is bashing him about his feat.
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Not to say this isn't true, but is there a way to prove there has been nobody younger to do this?
PS: congrats
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On August 10 2014 18:47 kiLen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 18:28 Crot4le wrote:On August 10 2014 07:43 NEEDZMOAR wrote:so many haters and jelliness in this thread.... Well done Reynor! amazing I don't think so. I think 90% of posters on this thread have all been pleased for Reynor and congratulated him on his achievement. It's an amazing achivement and I can't for the life of me understand how he did it, when I was 12 I could barely operate a computer. I think its really disgusting that so many people are bashing him here, just because he did something most people never could achive its not a valid excuse to bash him.
This is my whole point, where are these people you say are bashing Reynor? I can't find anyone.
You're not the first poster in this thread to say something along the lines of "why the hate?" and eventually this creates the impression that there is hate when there isn't. The only time hate or bashing or jealousy is mentioned is when people are calling out these imaginary people out!
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Also questioning if he is first to make grandmaster (youngest player ever) is no hate either. Reasonable questioning. Its still a good achievement being so young, so congratulations!
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On August 10 2014 18:21 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol To be honest, I don't really find children becoming depressed and killing themselves funny. (Not saying this is the case here because Reynor obviously has a good support around him with mYi and his parents, and his more chasing a dream rather than being a waster)
On August 10 2014 05:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol Don't take that as something that happens all the time, but this can lead to some of these tendencies. And ofc these reactions usually occure when the kid reach his adolescence. And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho. that's not why i laughed, I laughed because I think it's crap
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On August 10 2014 19:07 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 18:21 Crot4le wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol To be honest, I don't really find children becoming depressed and killing themselves funny. (Not saying this is the case here because Reynor obviously has a good support around him with mYi and his parents, and his more chasing a dream rather than being a waster) Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 05:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol Don't take that as something that happens all the time, but this can lead to some of these tendencies. And ofc these reactions usually occure when the kid reach his adolescence. And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho. that's not why i laughed, I laughed because I think it's crap
There can be addiction to computer. You don't need to look for exemple far, just take PainUser ^^.
I never said that Reynor was in this scenario though, I just questionned his sleeping habits.
User was warned for this post
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On August 10 2014 19:16 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 19:07 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 10 2014 18:21 Crot4le wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol To be honest, I don't really find children becoming depressed and killing themselves funny. (Not saying this is the case here because Reynor obviously has a good support around him with mYi and his parents, and his more chasing a dream rather than being a waster) On August 10 2014 05:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol Don't take that as something that happens all the time, but this can lead to some of these tendencies. And ofc these reactions usually occure when the kid reach his adolescence. And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho. that's not why i laughed, I laughed because I think it's crap There can be addiction to computer. You don't need to look for exemple far, just take PainUser ^^. I never said that Reynor was in this scenario though, I just questionned his sleeping habits.
not starting another discussion about that just fixing his misconception about what i said ^^
I probably should have said something constructive instead of just posting 1 word.
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On August 10 2014 19:18 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 19:16 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 19:07 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 10 2014 18:21 Crot4le wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol To be honest, I don't really find children becoming depressed and killing themselves funny. (Not saying this is the case here because Reynor obviously has a good support around him with mYi and his parents, and his more chasing a dream rather than being a waster) On August 10 2014 05:03 NovemberstOrm wrote:On August 10 2014 04:51 Faust852 wrote:On August 10 2014 04:47 NovemberstOrm wrote:I clearly know what can happen to kids spending all their time on a computer and it's not nice to see. It can lead to severe problems as strong as depression and suicide tendency. lol Don't take that as something that happens all the time, but this can lead to some of these tendencies. And ofc these reactions usually occure when the kid reach his adolescence. And i'm not talking about playing on a computer like a hobby, I'm talking about spending the big majority of his time on it. And you can lol as much as you want, it aint really funny tho. that's not why i laughed, I laughed because I think it's crap There can be addiction to computer. You don't need to look for exemple far, just take PainUser ^^. I never said that Reynor was in this scenario though, I just questionned his sleeping habits. not starting another discussion about that just fixing his misconception about what i said ^^ I probably should have said something constructive instead of just posting 1 word.
No it's fine, thought about doing the exact same thing, but some people just always feel like they were the one spoken too.
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Wow, respect to this guy. But don't neglect school
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I don't know how it is in Europe, but I've never felt school needed much attention in my spare time back when I was 11-12 years old in the US. I was doing homework at school and spend night time playing around or pretending to study just to placate my parents. Barely studied for any tests. Still got mostly As with some Bs mixed. But then again, American education system and all, so take it fwiw.
At least in the US, it's only high school when things start becoming serious if you want to go the academic route. You know, if you want to get into the top colleges and all that jazz.
I'd just want him to have fun. And quite frankly, I think his tournament experience and just general interactions with adults and businesses may be more useful than just studying. As long as he can handle it emotionally and it doesn't overwhelm him, I'd say go for it.
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but pretty sure that a 10 year old, with the right coaching (meaning quite minimal), can get to GM bitbybit-style rather quickly.
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On August 10 2014 18:28 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 07:43 NEEDZMOAR wrote:so many haters and jelliness in this thread.... Well done Reynor! amazing I don't think so. I think 90% of posters on this thread have all been pleased for Reynor and congratulated him on his achievement.
The other 10% is actually just 1 guy lol. No joke.
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Life was the youngest GSL champion at age 15. This is seriously impressive.
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What a cute little bugger that guy is. Young players doing well have huge potential as well. I feel so old. Which I am.
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On August 10 2014 19:07 NarutO wrote:
Also questioning if he is first to make grandmaster (youngest player ever) is no hate either. Reasonable questioning. Its still a good achievement being so young, so congratulations!
I agree. It's just to get another good foreigner some publicity, so I guess that's better than nothing ^^
Let's see how he measures up against some real pro-gamers in tournaments
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On August 10 2014 19:07 NarutO wrote:
Also questioning if he is first to make grandmaster (youngest player ever) is no hate either. Reasonable questioning. Its still a good achievement being so young, so congratulations!
I think it's possible if some unknown Korean kid got gm earlier. However, that Italian kid may be the first foreigner. Who knows.
On August 10 2014 23:03 Emerson_H wrote:
Life was the youngest GSL champion at age 15. This is seriously impressive.
FlaSh's BW background is far more impressive though.
Biography[edit]
Flash came on to the Brood War scene as one of the youngest progamers to be televised at 14 years old, in 2007. His popularity skyrocketed when he won the 2008 Bacchus OSL at age 15, crushing Stork 3-0 in the finals.
During his Brood War career, Flash was known for being one of the best and most dominant players in the history of the game, winning six Starleagues throughout his illustrious career (four in one year as well as the OSL/MSL in the same season). At the 2012 MLG Spring Pro Circuit, Flash won the KeSPA Exhibition Tournament by beating Bisu 2-0 in the finals in dominant fashion.
Have a look at his history: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Flash
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Speaking of prodigies, how about TY?
"BaBy started off playing StarCraft at a very young age. Before he was 9, he entered the HanbitSoft King of the Star Contest and ended up finishing in second place. The following year, he entered the same contest, finishing 4th. After playing in the Elite School League, BaBy was picked up by WeMade FOX at the tender age of 12 to join their Terran line."
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23 yo and i play since beta......couldn't even beat mid master league once...
WP Italian kid.
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Nicely done! God, when I was twelve I was playing WC3 Dota. Much luck to him! Be the best foreigner since Sen!
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can we PLEASE for the love of god get a moderator in this thread
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On August 10 2014 18:28 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 07:43 NEEDZMOAR wrote:so many haters and jelliness in this thread.... Well done Reynor! amazing I don't think so. I think 90% of posters on this thread have all been pleased for Reynor and congratulated him on his achievement.
Nah the majority of the posts in this thread are debating sleep schedules, wether its a big deal or not, or with eachother over nitpicky shit
again congrats Reynor, amazing achievement!
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I dont get whats the deal with being young and good at games. People are like omg this kid is 14 and already in GSL its so awesome ..
I think with how much streams, tournaments, teams and eternal list of guides and tips on internet, all the tools to be good are there, not only that, but all the tools outside the game are there aswell - gaming is being more accepted, most people actually have good internet etc.
Most of us havent even had internet at 14 or didnt even think you could play games for living.
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On August 11 2014 03:58 Veriol wrote:
I dont get whats the deal with being young and good at games. People are like omg this kid is 14 and already in GSL its so awesome ..
I think with how much streams, tournaments, teams and eternal list of guides and tips on internet, all the tools to be good are there, not only that, but all the tools outside the game are there aswell - gaming is being more accepted, most people actually have good internet etc.
Most of us havent even had internet at 14 or didnt even think you could play games for living.
and yet, there are so few kids who actually manage to excel adults in anything ever, starcraft included. I wonder why that is.
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On August 11 2014 02:12 NEEDZMOAR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 18:28 Crot4le wrote:On August 10 2014 07:43 NEEDZMOAR wrote:so many haters and jelliness in this thread.... Well done Reynor! amazing I don't think so. I think 90% of posters on this thread have all been pleased for Reynor and congratulated him on his achievement. Nah the majority of the posts in this thread are debating sleep schedules, wether its a big deal or not, or with eachother over nitpicky shit again congrats Reynor, amazing achievement!
Do I have to go back and count every post? D:
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On August 11 2014 04:35 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 03:58 Veriol wrote:
I dont get whats the deal with being young and good at games. People are like omg this kid is 14 and already in GSL its so awesome ..
I think with how much streams, tournaments, teams and eternal list of guides and tips on internet, all the tools to be good are there, not only that, but all the tools outside the game are there aswell - gaming is being more accepted, most people actually have good internet etc.
Most of us havent even had internet at 14 or didnt even think you could play games for living. and yet, there are so few kids who actually manage to excel adults in anything ever, starcraft included. I wonder why that is.
Experience is an important thing I heard
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On August 10 2014 08:15 Squall71 wrote:
How many doctors here. I am Reynor's father, I know that now is not a good hour for a 12 year old child, but remember that it is only for this week, and i can close my eyes for his dream. When he is at home has a very normal rhythm of sleep. I know the myinsanity guys and i'm very quiet. I think that now you're exceeded a bit. Why have you this hate?
He makes sport, has a good performance in school and he is an happy child. what's the problem. It has no girlfriend ando so more time for SC2.
I'm a certified physician and anaesthesiologist. I tend to critically ill people and in this capacity I have a fair understanding of stress hormones, their circadian release patterns and the effect irregular sleep has on them.
For those interested, physiological cortisol release is triggered by ACTH, one of the pituary gland hormones, the gland that controls nearly all of our hormones. The ACTH release happens as we wake up from deep sleep in the morning. ACTH is controlled via a negative feedback through cortisol, hence if you're up at night, stressed (like let's say playing intense starcraft) your body will secret cortisol during the night (which it shouldn't be doing), as a result, this cortisol will negatively feedback the release of ACTH in the early morning which will lead to low cortisol levels throughout the morning and day. The physiological morning major spike of cortisol will go missing. This is an unphysiological state and not desirable.
Growth hormone (GH) is released during nocturnal sleep. Messing with its pattern will result in irregular peaks of GH, when the metabolism isn't ready for it and physiological growth will be hampered. See: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-78734-8_12
We can do this with a bunch of other hormones, for those that are interested, simply google "circadian release of hormones".
Like I said, I'm not pulling this out of my arse. It's not a question if whether this might be harmful or not. It's proven to be. It's basic human physiology. The question you as the father ought to be asking, if common sense actually prevailed, isn't "why I am hating" (I'm not, I'm sure your child deserves every merit of his success), but why was he up at 330 am in first place? Why wasn't he playing at 9 am and in bed by 9 pm like all the other children his age are? What's the merit of being up at 3:30 in the morning? And in case this were to become a regular occurence, your parenting decisions deserve to be scrutinised.
- Everyone else, there's more important things than starcraft and video games. Get your priorities right.
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I can't believe I'm seeing people criticize parenting, of all things, on teamliquid. So bad sleep schedules are unhealthy, well shit, but maybe it's time to drop that discussion after suffering through it for 11 pages? If you're that concerned about Reynor's health, contact him or his parents privately. This thread doesn't need any more armchair parenting.
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Future foreign hope perhaps?
Good luck in the future!
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On August 11 2014 05:05 SeXyBaCk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2014 08:15 Squall71 wrote:
How many doctors here. I am Reynor's father, I know that now is not a good hour for a 12 year old child, but remember that it is only for this week, and i can close my eyes for his dream. When he is at home has a very normal rhythm of sleep. I know the myinsanity guys and i'm very quiet. I think that now you're exceeded a bit. Why have you this hate?
He makes sport, has a good performance in school and he is an happy child. what's the problem. It has no girlfriend ando so more time for SC2. I'm a certified physician and anaesthesiologist. I tend to critically ill people and in this capacity I have a fair understanding of stress hormones, their circadian release patterns and the effect irregular sleep has on them. For those interested, physiological cortisol release is triggered by ACTH, one of the pituary gland hormones, the gland that controls nearly all of our hormones. The ACTH release happens as we wake up from deep sleep in the morning. ACTH is controlled via a negative feedback through cortisol, hence if you're up at night, stressed (like let's say playing intense starcraft) your body will secret cortisol during the night (which it shouldn't be doing), as a result, this cortisol will negatively feedback the release of ACTH in the early morning which will lead to low cortisol levels throughout the morning and day. The physiological morning major spike of cortisol will go missing. This is an unphysiological state and not desirable. Growth hormone (GH) is released during nocturnal sleep. Messing with its pattern will result in irregular peaks of GH, when the metabolism isn't ready for it and physiological growth will be hampered. See: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-78734-8_12We can do this with a bunch of other hormones, for those that are interested, simply google "circadian release of hormones". Like I said, I'm not pulling this out of my arse. It's not a question if whether this might be harmful or not. It's proven to be. It's basic human physiology. The question you as the father ought to be asking, if common sense actually prevailed, isn't "why I am hating" (I'm not, I'm sure your child deserves every merit of his success), but why was he up at 330 am in first place? Why wasn't he playing at 9 am and in bed by 9 pm like all the other children his age are? What's the merit of being up at 3:30 in the morning? And in case this were to become a regular occurence, your parenting decisions deserve to be scrutinised. - Everyone else, there's more important things than starcraft and video games. Get your priorities right.
It's been already confirmed by his father in this thread that he usually follows normal sleep schedules. He just stayed up for some nights cause it was a special occasion (being on vacation in the Myi House with korean progamers, and trying to achieve gm before it became full).
Nobody is questioning whether it's good or not having a messed up sleep schedule, but this is not the case, since it was just an exception to his normal sleep schedule.
Losing a couple of nights has not killed him nor arrested his growth, but it made him happy.
Sometimes in life breaking a rule is better than stubbornly following it.
And regarding your last sentence, that's just pure arrogance by your side. Your priorities are not everyone's priorities.
For some people living a happy life is a priority.
If you just knew Reynor you would immediately see he's a genuinely happy kid. In my opinion that alone is enough to say his parents are doing a good job.
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On August 11 2014 05:16 Zealously wrote:
I can't believe I'm seeing people criticize parenting, of all things, on teamliquid. So bad sleep schedules are unhealthy, well shit, but maybe it's time to drop that discussion after suffering through it for 11 pages? If you're that concerned about Reynor's health, contact him or his parents privately. This thread doesn't need any more armchair parenting.
Ah, here we go. A young fellow outraged at someone voicing their opinion about something that's clearly amiss. Can't believe ... on teamliquid of all places... feelings might be hurt, people offended, starcraft neglected. Disgrace.
Here's what's wrong with men today: You're too afraid to speak up when you know something's wrong. You're too afraid to offend people in case you will be unliked. Couldn't call a spade a spade if your life depended on it. Even if you have no doubt in your mind. Can't enforce yourself. But then you wonder why women walk all over and get all broken up inside once they walk out on you. I hear you son, you're suffering through it. I made you do it.
Over here we have ElBlanco, who wants to have a scientific conversation while failing to understand the difference between causality and risk. A cursory search (as you hinted you performed) of even layman websites will (have) told you that people with irregular sleeping schedules do have an increased incidence of ADHD. So if this little sweet boy in question is regularly up at 3 in the morning (which thankfully has been confirmed is not the case), it's an issue worth looking into, 'cause it ain't normal.
The person going on about 'god forbid actual parental neglect occured' ... walk into any A&E with your kid at 4 in the morning after it's fallen through glass or twisted an ankle or burnt itself on a hot light bulb, the first question any healthcare professional will be asking you is "why was the child up at this hour?" and one of the first notes they will be writing down will be "potential parental neglect?". Failing to provide a safe and healthy environment for your children constitutes neglect.
Sometimes in life breaking a rule is better than stubbornly following it.
Is this what you're going to teach your kids? Way to go. I'd wager the philosophy is lost on a 12 year old kid. If you're seriously suggesting video games should be the priority of a 12 year old child, then clearly I do know better.
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The parenting of Reynor is up to the parents and nobody else's business. It's their job to ensure a safe and healthy environment for their son. Nobody, and I mean freakin' nobody in this thread that is not related to Reynor or an mYi guy knows the full picture. At some point, it's just time to trust the parents. No judgment, neither positive nor negative, should be done here.
This is only a place to congratulate Reynor for his achievement. Congrats!
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On August 11 2014 06:05 SeXyBaCk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 05:16 Zealously wrote:
I can't believe I'm seeing people criticize parenting, of all things, on teamliquid. So bad sleep schedules are unhealthy, well shit, but maybe it's time to drop that discussion after suffering through it for 11 pages? If you're that concerned about Reynor's health, contact him or his parents privately. This thread doesn't need any more armchair parenting. Ah, here we go. A young fellow outraged at someone voicing their opinion about something that's clearly amiss. Can't believe ... on teamliquid of all places... feelings might be hurt, people offended, starcraft neglected. Disgrace. Here's what's wrong with men today: You're too afraid to speak up when you know something's wrong. You're too afraid to offend people in case you will be unliked. Couldn't call a spade a spade if your life depended on it. Even if you have no doubt in your mind. Can't enforce yourself. But then you wonder why women walk all over and get all broken up inside once they walk out on you. I hear you son, you're suffering through it. I made you do it. Over here we have ElBlanco, who wants to have a scientific conversation while failing to understand the difference between causality and risk. A cursory search (as you hinted you performed) of even layman websites will (have) told you that people with irregular sleeping schedules do have an increased incidence of ADHD. So if this little sweet boy in question is regularly up at 3 in the morning (which thankfully has been confirmed is not the case), it's an issue worth looking into, 'cause it ain't normal. The person going on about 'god forbid actual parental neglect occured' ... walk into any A&E with your kid at 4 in the morning after it's fallen through glass or twisted an ankle or burnt itself on a hot light bulb, the first question any healthcare professional will be asking you is "why was the child up at this hour?" and one of the first notes they will be writing down will be "potential parental neglect?". Failing to provide a safe and healthy environment for your children constitutes neglect. Is this what you're going to teach your kids? Way to go. I'd wager the philosophy is lost on a 12 year old kid.
Here I won't be what's wrong with men today. I'll call a spade a spade.
You're an arrogant asshole who should mind his own business. Maybe you think being a "certified physician" (unverified because you're anonymous online) gives you some kind of moral authority to tell people how to raise their kids but it doesn't. You can offer your input sure but you have taken "holier than thou" to a pretty absurd length. Please leave the parents alone.
One last thing: you're on a fucking site dedicated to pro Starcraft so yeah people are going to care a lot about Starcraft
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On August 11 2014 06:05 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Is this what you're going to teach your kids? Way to go. I'd wager the philosophy is lost on a 12 year old kid.
I was referring to his father, not to the kid.
As I see it, as a father you can let your son break a rule from time to time, if you know it's nothing bad.
But that's just a way to see things. Parenting is not a science. So don't make it look like it was.
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On August 11 2014 06:18 Darkhorse wrote:
Here I won't be what's wrong with men today. I'll call a spade a spade.
You're an arrogant asshole who should mind his own business. Maybe you think being a "certified physician" (unverified because you're anonymous online) gives you some kind of moral authority to tell people how to raise their kids but it doesn't. You can offer your input sure but you have taken "holier than thou" to a pretty absurd length. Please leave the parents alone.
One last thing: you're on a fucking site dedicated to pro Starcraft so yeah people are going to care a lot about Starcraft
... Let's not make this about me son. Hell, I could be a 22 year peputual student from Philly with a neckbeard and a nice scarf, a complementary hipster haircut trying to make it as an esports writer. Alas I'm not, but I could be (?). I still feel entitled to pointing out a wrong and raising awareness. What offends you is not my arrogance. What's making you uncomfortable is the prospect of conflict. In your face disagreement makes you feel queezy. Overall I'll give you a 3/6. Decent effort, sadly your nice guy programming came round full swing when you asked me to please stop.
I hear you though. I'll stop. I enjoy starcraft too. I was just saying preteen kids belong in bed by midnight. You know I'm right. That's all it was. You're right about me being an asshole on the other hand. Scores of guys and more girls to back you up on that one.
My friend saying "one time doesn't count, it made him happy". Are you going to say that when your kid wants to hit the crack pipe? It's a spineless argument and you know it.
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Thats actually pretty impressive that he manages to go GM despite being 12 and going to school and all that stuff. Sure he has got holidays and all that stuff but thats only some weeks a year. Always thought Stephano was the only guy to do this "play while having school and still be good at it"
Obviously its "only" GM and not like he won WCS or something, but if hes that good with 12... maybe he is our foreigner Maru
Oh and also that he keeps himself motivated to pursue such a goal, when i was 12 my opinions and hobbys changed faster than my underpants
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Congratulations Reynor.
As a point of fact: Reynor is currently the youngest confirmed GM world wide.
If you disagree then you need to understand that it is not up to Reynor, or anyone he knows, to show that there is not and has never been a younger grandmaster player in the history of Starcraft 2. If this was the bar to making this claim then no one could ever make it.
If you accept the facts as claimed (age, time of GMhood, that he was playing the account etc.), then in order to show that Reynor is not currently the youngest confirmed GM world wide, you need to show another younger player has made GM before he did with enough evidence to confirm it.
Until that time, if you could refrain from needless speculation, this thread can get back to attacks on the people who helped him achieve this impressive record based off of the time he went to bed on a single night.
Again, congratulations Reynor.
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On August 11 2014 06:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
... Let's not make this about me son. Hell, I could be a 22 year peputual student from Philly with a neckbeard and a nice scarf, a complementary hipster haircut trying to make it as an esports writer. Alas I'm not, but I could be (?). I still feel entitled to pointing out a wrong and raising awareness. What offends you is not my arrogance. What's making you uncomfortable is the prospect of conflict. In your face disagreement makes you feel queezy. Overall I'll give you a 3/6. Decent effort, sadly your nice guy programming came round full swing when you asked me to please stop.
I hear you though. I'll stop. I enjoy starcraft too. I was just saying preteen kids belong in bed by midnight. You know I'm right. That's all it was. You're right about me being an asshole on the other hand. Scores of guys and more girls to back you up on that one.
My friend saying "one time doesn't count, it made him happy". Are you going to say that when your kid wants to hit the crack pipe? It's a spineless argument and you know it.
Sorry I thought you were serious, but you're just trolling now. My bad for responding to you
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On August 11 2014 06:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 06:18 Darkhorse wrote:
Here I won't be what's wrong with men today. I'll call a spade a spade.
You're an arrogant asshole who should mind his own business. Maybe you think being a "certified physician" (unverified because you're anonymous online) gives you some kind of moral authority to tell people how to raise their kids but it doesn't. You can offer your input sure but you have taken "holier than thou" to a pretty absurd length. Please leave the parents alone.
One last thing: you're on a fucking site dedicated to pro Starcraft so yeah people are going to care a lot about Starcraft ... Let's not make this about me son. Hell, I could be a 22 year peputual student from Philly with a neckbeard and a nice scarf, a complementary hipster haircut trying to make it as an esports writer. Alas I'm not, but I could be (?). I still feel entitled to pointing out a wrong and raising awareness. What offends you is not my arrogance. What's making you uncomfortable is the prospect of conflict. In your face disagreement makes you feel queezy. Overall I'll give you a 3/6. Decent effort, sadly your nice guy programming came round full swing when you asked me to please stop. I hear you though. I'll stop. I enjoy starcraft too. I was just saying preteen kids belong in bed by midnight. You know I'm right. That's all it was. You're right about me being an asshole on the other hand. Scores of guys and more girls to back you up on that one. My friend saying "one time doesn't count, it made him happy". Are you going to say that when your kid wants to hit the crack pipe? It's a spineless argument and you know it.
I don't know about anyone else, but when I see an argument without a spine it really makes me angry. All arguments should have spines or else what are they? SpineLESS that's what they are.
Real men make arguments not just with spines, but with fully functioning central nervous systems. Arguments that equate staying up past midnight to smoking crack. Now THAT's an argument. From a man. A big doctor man.
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On August 11 2014 05:05 SeXyBaCk wrote:Why wasn't he playing at 9 am and in bed by 9 pm like all the other children his age are? The fuck? What kind of 12 year old goes to bed by 9pm? He's not 5 years old lol. He doesn't need 12 hours sleep. And who plays any games at 9am? Ladder queue takes forever at that time. Honestly I can't tell if trolling.
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On August 11 2014 06:05 SeXyBaCk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 05:16 Zealously wrote:
I can't believe I'm seeing people criticize parenting, of all things, on teamliquid. So bad sleep schedules are unhealthy, well shit, but maybe it's time to drop that discussion after suffering through it for 11 pages? If you're that concerned about Reynor's health, contact him or his parents privately. This thread doesn't need any more armchair parenting. Over here we have ElBlanco, who wants to have a scientific conversation while failing to understand the difference between causality and risk. A cursory search (as you hinted you performed) of even layman websites will (have) told you that people with irregular sleeping schedules do have an increased incidence of ADHD. So if this little sweet boy in question is regularly up at 3 in the morning (which thankfully has been confirmed is not the case), it's an issue worth looking into, 'cause it ain't normal.
I didn't come across any websites that suggested a link between ADHD and lack of sleep. There are plenty that suggest that ADHD can cause a lack of sleep (this is common actually) but i don't think i've ever seen lack of sleep linked with causing ADHD. A few sites specifically mention that it isn't the cause of ADHD. I'm pretty sure you're either lying about being a doctor or just trolling because even 10 seconds on google would have told you this.
You have ignored all the points i made in my post along with everyone else in this thread. Coming along saying you're a doctor and explaining how cortisol is released and works doesn't make your argument any better. I'm not going to repeat my argument as you didn't bother addressing any of the points i made and it's clear you're not interested in engaging in any real discussion. It's not like you could anyway as there is no merit behind your opinion whatsoever so you
ll just continue being a dick and ignoring everyones points.
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Stop cluttering up this thread with parenting and sleep schedule discussions.
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edit: sorry, didnt see the mod post, also snip
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Jesus, apparently a 12 year old can't make GM without "grown" men acting petty about it. Relax. Nobody called him a bonjwa, or future GSL champ, it's just a thread.
12 years old in GM is impressive regardless of strategy. Kudos, young sir!
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On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Nice, 12 year old up at 330 am to play a video game. Not like he's still growing and needs sleep right... sleep at night and sleeping in the day is not the same thing. Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Use a little more common sense in future.
I didn't have a normal sleep schedule at all as a kid I turned out OK.
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not sure if i find this more impressive or the 3 year old girl beating portal 2 i saw on reddit earlier. tough call.
but congrats dude! and damn at all the people backseatparenting (?).
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i defeated him on starbow! gonna get GM pretty soon i guess
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I wonder how many of these men with expert parenting advice are actually parents themselves lol
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Gogo, Boy! Love mYi and their philosophy!
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On August 09 2014 22:40 Vasacast wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 22:38 SeXyBaCk wrote:
Some of our hormones are released on a circadian schedule, not least cortisol.
Someone other's hormones are released only on TL, isn't it?
Vasacast... you are my hero for this. On topic, that is super sick. At that age you learn things sooo fast, I can see a big future as well if he sticks with it.
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On August 09 2014 22:34 Vasacast wrote:
As of tonight, 09th August, 2014, we can say mYinsanity's italian prodigy zerg player Reynor, at the precise age of 12 years and 40 days old, is the youngest player worldwide to reach GrandMaster league.
Not to downtalk the accomplishment, since it's huge.
But I sincerely doubt you know the age of every person that has ever reached GM since the game release, once Grandmaster league was available.
It is a self-proclaimed title of which you have no evidence or adequate data to back it up.
And if you do, please do share so we can sincerely congratulate you.
I will congratulate you on reaching GM at the age of 12, but I will not congratulate you on being 'the youngest GM ever' until adequate data has been provided.
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I met Reynor at Dreamhack, he was such an awesome kid and it was great to see how all the Koreans treated him like a little brother
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On August 09 2014 22:54 SCguineapig wrote:
i wouldnt call this kid a prodigy, if you put enough time into playing sc2 you can get gm no matter your age. this kid just played the game for a very long time. not really prodigy to me.
This is called envy man, if you aren't able to reach more then gold legues dont spamm shit on ppl srsly much better then you , noob
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Now I'm curious: Who is the oldest person to reach GM?
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On February 25 2016 04:02 PTG_TrOn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 22:54 SCguineapig wrote:
i wouldnt call this kid a prodigy, if you put enough time into playing sc2 you can get gm no matter your age. this kid just played the game for a very long time. not really prodigy to me. This is called envy man, if you aren't able to reach more then gold legues dont spamm shit on ppl srsly much better then you , noob
Did you really need to bump a thread this old? Makes no sense whatsoever.
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nice necro. Reynor is playing for True eSport now.
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On February 25 2016 04:02 PTG_TrOn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2014 22:54 SCguineapig wrote:
i wouldnt call this kid a prodigy, if you put enough time into playing sc2 you can get gm no matter your age. this kid just played the game for a very long time. not really prodigy to me. This is called envy man, if you aren't able to reach more then gold legues dont spamm shit on ppl srsly much better then you , noob
That necro
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On February 25 2016 04:18 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2016 04:02 PTG_TrOn wrote:On August 09 2014 22:54 SCguineapig wrote:
i wouldnt call this kid a prodigy, if you put enough time into playing sc2 you can get gm no matter your age. this kid just played the game for a very long time. not really prodigy to me. This is called envy man, if you aren't able to reach more then gold legues dont spamm shit on ppl srsly much better then you , noob That necro
The rare sighted bm-necro, even.
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On August 09 2014 23:16 Facultyadjutant wrote:
Sure is some grumpy old men in this thread
People are just jelly they couldn't reach GM when they were 12 =D. But seriously though, this is fine as long as he doesn't all-in in this... SC2 can't be a longterm viable career, you have to go to school eventually and get a real job. But nonetheless, grats on the achievement.
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Where dat snitch at?36960 Posts
This thread is well over a year old so I'm not really sure why it was bumped. And no new relevant information has been added so I'm just going to lock this before someone else posts something stupid and gets warned for it.
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EPT
