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[mYi]Reynor youngest player to reach GM - Page 11
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
WP Italian kid. | ||
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Nacl(Draq)
United States302 Posts
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On August 10 2014 18:28 Crot4le wrote: I don't think so. I think 90% of posters on this thread have all been pleased for Reynor and congratulated him on his achievement. Nah the majority of the posts in this thread are debating sleep schedules, wether its a big deal or not, or with eachother over nitpicky shit  again congrats Reynor, amazing achievement! | ||
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
I think with how much streams, tournaments, teams and eternal list of guides and tips on internet, all the tools to be good are there, not only that, but all the tools outside the game are there aswell - gaming is being more accepted, most people actually have good internet etc. Most of us havent even had internet at 14 or didnt even think you could play games for living. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On August 11 2014 03:58 Veriol wrote: I dont get whats the deal with being young and good at games. People are like omg this kid is 14 and already in GSL its so awesome .. I think with how much streams, tournaments, teams and eternal list of guides and tips on internet, all the tools to be good are there, not only that, but all the tools outside the game are there aswell - gaming is being more accepted, most people actually have good internet etc. Most of us havent even had internet at 14 or didnt even think you could play games for living. and yet, there are so few kids who actually manage to excel adults in anything ever, starcraft included. I wonder why that is. | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On August 11 2014 02:12 NEEDZMOAR wrote: Nah the majority of the posts in this thread are debating sleep schedules, wether its a big deal or not, or with eachother over nitpicky shit again congrats Reynor, amazing achievement! Do I have to go back and count every post? D: | ||
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
On August 11 2014 04:35 nkr wrote: and yet, there are so few kids who actually manage to excel adults in anything ever, starcraft included. I wonder why that is. Experience is an important thing I heard | ||
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SeXyBaCk
Switzerland174 Posts
On August 10 2014 08:15 Squall71 wrote: How many doctors here. I am Reynor's father, I know that now is not a good hour for a 12 year old child, but remember that it is only for this week, and i can close my eyes for his dream. When he is at home has a very normal rhythm of sleep. I know the myinsanity guys and i'm very quiet. I think that now you're exceeded a bit. Why have you this hate? He makes sport, has a good performance in school and he is an happy child. what's the problem. It has no girlfriend ando so more time for SC2. I'm a certified physician and anaesthesiologist. I tend to critically ill people and in this capacity I have a fair understanding of stress hormones, their circadian release patterns and the effect irregular sleep has on them. For those interested, physiological cortisol release is triggered by ACTH, one of the pituary gland hormones, the gland that controls nearly all of our hormones. The ACTH release happens as we wake up from deep sleep in the morning. ACTH is controlled via a negative feedback through cortisol, hence if you're up at night, stressed (like let's say playing intense starcraft) your body will secret cortisol during the night (which it shouldn't be doing), as a result, this cortisol will negatively feedback the release of ACTH in the early morning which will lead to low cortisol levels throughout the morning and day. The physiological morning major spike of cortisol will go missing. This is an unphysiological state and not desirable. Growth hormone (GH) is released during nocturnal sleep. Messing with its pattern will result in irregular peaks of GH, when the metabolism isn't ready for it and physiological growth will be hampered. See: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-78734-8_12 We can do this with a bunch of other hormones, for those that are interested, simply google "circadian release of hormones". Like I said, I'm not pulling this out of my arse. It's not a question if whether this might be harmful or not. It's proven to be. It's basic human physiology. The question you as the father ought to be asking, if common sense actually prevailed, isn't "why I am hating" (I'm not, I'm sure your child deserves every merit of his success), but why was he up at 330 am in first place? Why wasn't he playing at 9 am and in bed by 9 pm like all the other children his age are? What's the merit of being up at 3:30 in the morning? And in case this were to become a regular occurence, your parenting decisions deserve to be scrutinised. - Everyone else, there's more important things than starcraft and video games. Get your priorities right. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Nirel
Israel1526 Posts
Good luck in the future! | ||
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NeV
Italy370 Posts
On August 11 2014 05:05 SeXyBaCk wrote: I'm a certified physician and anaesthesiologist. I tend to critically ill people and in this capacity I have a fair understanding of stress hormones, their circadian release patterns and the effect irregular sleep has on them. For those interested, physiological cortisol release is triggered by ACTH, one of the pituary gland hormones, the gland that controls nearly all of our hormones. The ACTH release happens as we wake up from deep sleep in the morning. ACTH is controlled via a negative feedback through cortisol, hence if you're up at night, stressed (like let's say playing intense starcraft) your body will secret cortisol during the night (which it shouldn't be doing), as a result, this cortisol will negatively feedback the release of ACTH in the early morning which will lead to low cortisol levels throughout the morning and day. The physiological morning major spike of cortisol will go missing. This is an unphysiological state and not desirable. Growth hormone (GH) is released during nocturnal sleep. Messing with its pattern will result in irregular peaks of GH, when the metabolism isn't ready for it and physiological growth will be hampered. See: http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-78734-8_12 We can do this with a bunch of other hormones, for those that are interested, simply google "circadian release of hormones". Like I said, I'm not pulling this out of my arse. It's not a question if whether this might be harmful or not. It's proven to be. It's basic human physiology. The question you as the father ought to be asking, if common sense actually prevailed, isn't "why I am hating" (I'm not, I'm sure your child deserves every merit of his success), but why was he up at 330 am in first place? Why wasn't he playing at 9 am and in bed by 9 pm like all the other children his age are? What's the merit of being up at 3:30 in the morning? And in case this were to become a regular occurence, your parenting decisions deserve to be scrutinised. - Everyone else, there's more important things than starcraft and video games. Get your priorities right. It's been already confirmed by his father in this thread that he usually follows normal sleep schedules. He just stayed up for some nights cause it was a special occasion (being on vacation in the Myi House with korean progamers, and trying to achieve gm before it became full). Nobody is questioning whether it's good or not having a messed up sleep schedule, but this is not the case, since it was just an exception to his normal sleep schedule. Losing a couple of nights has not killed him nor arrested his growth, but it made him happy. Sometimes in life breaking a rule is better than stubbornly following it. And regarding your last sentence, that's just pure arrogance by your side. Your priorities are not everyone's priorities. For some people living a happy life is a priority. If you just knew Reynor you would immediately see he's a genuinely happy kid. In my opinion that alone is enough to say his parents are doing a good job. | ||
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SeXyBaCk
Switzerland174 Posts
On August 11 2014 05:16 Zealously wrote: I can't believe I'm seeing people criticize parenting, of all things, on teamliquid. So bad sleep schedules are unhealthy, well shit, but maybe it's time to drop that discussion after suffering through it for 11 pages? If you're that concerned about Reynor's health, contact him or his parents privately. This thread doesn't need any more armchair parenting. Ah, here we go. A young fellow outraged at someone voicing their opinion about something that's clearly amiss. Can't believe ... on teamliquid of all places... feelings might be hurt, people offended, starcraft neglected. Disgrace. Here's what's wrong with men today: You're too afraid to speak up when you know something's wrong. You're too afraid to offend people in case you will be unliked. Couldn't call a spade a spade if your life depended on it. Even if you have no doubt in your mind. Can't enforce yourself. But then you wonder why women walk all over and get all broken up inside once they walk out on you. I hear you son, you're suffering through it. I made you do it. Over here we have ElBlanco, who wants to have a scientific conversation while failing to understand the difference between causality and risk. A cursory search (as you hinted you performed) of even layman websites will (have) told you that people with irregular sleeping schedules do have an increased incidence of ADHD. So if this little sweet boy in question is regularly up at 3 in the morning (which thankfully has been confirmed is not the case), it's an issue worth looking into, 'cause it ain't normal. The person going on about 'god forbid actual parental neglect occured' ... walk into any A&E with your kid at 4 in the morning after it's fallen through glass or twisted an ankle or burnt itself on a hot light bulb, the first question any healthcare professional will be asking you is "why was the child up at this hour?" and one of the first notes they will be writing down will be "potential parental neglect?". Failing to provide a safe and healthy environment for your children constitutes neglect. Sometimes in life breaking a rule is better than stubbornly following it. Is this what you're going to teach your kids? Way to go. I'd wager the philosophy is lost on a 12 year old kid. If you're seriously suggesting video games should be the priority of a 12 year old child, then clearly I do know better. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
This is only a place to congratulate Reynor for his achievement. Congrats! | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On August 11 2014 06:05 SeXyBaCk wrote: Ah, here we go. A young fellow outraged at someone voicing their opinion about something that's clearly amiss. Can't believe ... on teamliquid of all places... feelings might be hurt, people offended, starcraft neglected. Disgrace. Here's what's wrong with men today: You're too afraid to speak up when you know something's wrong. You're too afraid to offend people in case you will be unliked. Couldn't call a spade a spade if your life depended on it. Even if you have no doubt in your mind. Can't enforce yourself. But then you wonder why women walk all over and get all broken up inside once they walk out on you. I hear you son, you're suffering through it. I made you do it. Over here we have ElBlanco, who wants to have a scientific conversation while failing to understand the difference between causality and risk. A cursory search (as you hinted you performed) of even layman websites will (have) told you that people with irregular sleeping schedules do have an increased incidence of ADHD. So if this little sweet boy in question is regularly up at 3 in the morning (which thankfully has been confirmed is not the case), it's an issue worth looking into, 'cause it ain't normal. The person going on about 'god forbid actual parental neglect occured' ... walk into any A&E with your kid at 4 in the morning after it's fallen through glass or twisted an ankle or burnt itself on a hot light bulb, the first question any healthcare professional will be asking you is "why was the child up at this hour?" and one of the first notes they will be writing down will be "potential parental neglect?". Failing to provide a safe and healthy environment for your children constitutes neglect. Is this what you're going to teach your kids? Way to go. I'd wager the philosophy is lost on a 12 year old kid. Here I won't be what's wrong with men today. I'll call a spade a spade. You're an arrogant asshole who should mind his own business. Maybe you think being a "certified physician" (unverified because you're anonymous online) gives you some kind of moral authority to tell people how to raise their kids but it doesn't. You can offer your input sure but you have taken "holier than thou" to a pretty absurd length. Please leave the parents alone. One last thing: you're on a fucking site dedicated to pro Starcraft so yeah people are going to care a lot about Starcraft | ||
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NeV
Italy370 Posts
On August 11 2014 06:05 SeXyBaCk wrote: Is this what you're going to teach your kids? Way to go. I'd wager the philosophy is lost on a 12 year old kid. I was referring to his father, not to the kid. As I see it, as a father you can let your son break a rule from time to time, if you know it's nothing bad. But that's just a way to see things. Parenting is not a science. So don't make it look like it was. | ||
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SeXyBaCk
Switzerland174 Posts
On August 11 2014 06:18 Darkhorse wrote: Here I won't be what's wrong with men today. I'll call a spade a spade. You're an arrogant asshole who should mind his own business. Maybe you think being a "certified physician" (unverified because you're anonymous online) gives you some kind of moral authority to tell people how to raise their kids but it doesn't. You can offer your input sure but you have taken "holier than thou" to a pretty absurd length. Please leave the parents alone. One last thing: you're on a fucking site dedicated to pro Starcraft so yeah people are going to care a lot about Starcraft ... Let's not make this about me son. Hell, I could be a 22 year peputual student from Philly with a neckbeard and a nice scarf, a complementary hipster haircut trying to make it as an esports writer. Alas I'm not, but I could be (?). I still feel entitled to pointing out a wrong and raising awareness. What offends you is not my arrogance. What's making you uncomfortable is the prospect of conflict. In your face disagreement makes you feel queezy. Overall I'll give you a 3/6. Decent effort, sadly your nice guy programming came round full swing when you asked me to please stop. I hear you though. I'll stop. I enjoy starcraft too. I was just saying preteen kids belong in bed by midnight. You know I'm right. That's all it was. You're right about me being an asshole on the other hand. Scores of guys and more girls to back you up on that one. My friend saying "one time doesn't count, it made him happy". Are you going to say that when your kid wants to hit the crack pipe? It's a spineless argument and you know it. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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BlackCompany
Germany8388 Posts
Obviously its "only" GM and not like he won WCS or something, but if hes that good with 12... maybe he is our foreigner Maru  Oh and also that he keeps himself motivated to pursue such a goal, when i was 12 my opinions and hobbys changed faster than my underpants | ||
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
As a point of fact: Reynor is currently the youngest confirmed GM world wide. If you disagree then you need to understand that it is not up to Reynor, or anyone he knows, to show that there is not and has never been a younger grandmaster player in the history of Starcraft 2. If this was the bar to making this claim then no one could ever make it. If you accept the facts as claimed (age, time of GMhood, that he was playing the account etc.), then in order to show that Reynor is not currently the youngest confirmed GM world wide, you need to show another younger player has made GM before he did with enough evidence to confirm it. Until that time, if you could refrain from needless speculation, this thread can get back to attacks on the people who helped him achieve this impressive record based off of the time he went to bed on a single night. Again, congratulations Reynor. | ||
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NeV
Italy370 Posts
On August 11 2014 06:38 SeXyBaCk wrote: ... Let's not make this about me son. Hell, I could be a 22 year peputual student from Philly with a neckbeard and a nice scarf, a complementary hipster haircut trying to make it as an esports writer. Alas I'm not, but I could be (?). I still feel entitled to pointing out a wrong and raising awareness. What offends you is not my arrogance. What's making you uncomfortable is the prospect of conflict. In your face disagreement makes you feel queezy. Overall I'll give you a 3/6. Decent effort, sadly your nice guy programming came round full swing when you asked me to please stop. I hear you though. I'll stop. I enjoy starcraft too. I was just saying preteen kids belong in bed by midnight. You know I'm right. That's all it was. You're right about me being an asshole on the other hand. Scores of guys and more girls to back you up on that one. My friend saying "one time doesn't count, it made him happy". Are you going to say that when your kid wants to hit the crack pipe? It's a spineless argument and you know it. Sorry I thought you were serious, but you're just trolling now. My bad for responding to you | ||
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