EPTKeSPA will not send players to WEC - Page 5
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Silvana
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Silvana
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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shadymmj
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Thyrym
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I(kespa) would not send my son(rain) into a acampment(tournament) unless im sure that other parents( sponsors) that support the acampment are not shady/not to be trusted. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On August 07 2014 01:00 shell wrote: Yeah!! Go back to Kespa where you can't stream and can't participate in no tournament! Do that because we love you so much , that we don't want to see you play or earn money! ^^ fuck kespa Well, Jaedong playing in Proleague and GSL (plus having same opportunities as all the other Kespa players of qualifying for foreign tournaments) >>> Jaedong playing WCS AM and every possible Dreamhack / whatever else cashgrab tournament is going on. People are acting like Kespa players don't get to play tournaments, which is simply not true. Every online qualifier is filled with players from at least CJ and Samsung, sometimes KT and SKT players and ofc IM/MVP/Prime. Only JinAir mostly doesn't allow their players to participate, but I expect this to change now that SPL almost ended. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On August 07 2014 01:15 eviltomahawk wrote: I think KeSPA's concern is justified given how quite a few eSports tournaments have had trouble paying their players on time. Kespa concern might be going into a paranoid direction, but is to some extend certainly justified. Denying facts, however, is not and that is what people were complaining about in the first part of the discussion. Anyway, let's just hope, that WEC can somehow provide the right documents and end all of this on a positive note. | ||
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triforks
United States370 Posts
is KeSPA jelly that China is gonna host this amazing lineup and would rather have some sort of KeSPA run tournament of the same caliber? | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 07 2014 02:01 triforks wrote: hmmm..... is KeSPA jelly that China is gonna host this amazing lineup and would rather have some sort of KeSPA run tournament of the same caliber? Or they might worry about sending their players in without them getting paid. But when Destiny was trying to get Kespa players to play, they said that "You got everything to gain from this tournament so we are just not going to give any of our players." And keep in mind, that Destiny's tournament is online too. Yeah Kespa was known to be dicks in the BW era. The BW fans only takes up their side when a bigger evil (Blizzard) stepped in and replaced BW PL with SC2 PL. Truthfully, SC2 will probably turn up like BW with Kespa hosting hostages of the players for leverage. But this time, they can't rely on the Korean audience because Koreans are focused on other games, they have to appease to non-Korean tournaments. But I doubt they would really care if SC2 goes under since they always have LoL for profits. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
WCA was clever enough to not spend their 3,2 Mio $ Prize Money at any Starcraft Event, but 100.000$ for Warcraft III. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 07 2014 02:09 Xiphos wrote: But when Destiny was trying to get Kespa players to play, they said that "You got everything to gain from this tournament so we are just not going to give any of our players." And keep in mind, that Destiny's tournament is online too. Can anybody else verify this? I don't watch Destiny's stream so this is news to me. D: | ||
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Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On August 07 2014 02:26 JustPassingBy wrote: Can anybody else verify this? I don't watch Destiny's stream so this is news to me. D: Go watch the 2nd last episode of Unfiltered. And Destiny will be posting up a summary of events that happened from the inception of the tournament to the end, like how that British guy does it. | ||
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Darthsanta13
United States564 Posts
On August 07 2014 02:10 Clonester wrote: The players (who are over 18 or thus their parents) should be able to decide where they want to competete or not, even if there could be payment issues. But no! KeSPA must show its mighty force, showing that they know best for the players, not the players themself. The problem is, KeSPA does not care about the players. the sport or the scene, they care about themself. Remember GomTv Classic Events anyone? WCA was clever enough to not spend their 3,2 Mio $ Prize Money at any Starcraft Event, but 100.000$ for Warcraft III. I'm over 18 but if a company I had never heard of contacted me and requested I do business with them promising me to pay them only after the work had already been done, I think my employer would ask for proof of payment as well. This situation sucks but it's like so many people don't realize that when you are a part of an organization you're not allowed to just do whatever you want just because you're an adult. That's not unreasonable. | ||
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Gamlet
Ukraine336 Posts
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RatzBarcode
United States98 Posts
On August 07 2014 02:09 Xiphos wrote: Or they might worry about sending their players in without them getting paid. But when Destiny was trying to get Kespa players to play, they said that "You got everything to gain from this tournament so we are just not going to give any of our players." And keep in mind, that Destiny's tournament is online too. Yeah Kespa was known to be dicks in the BW era. The BW fans only takes up their side when a bigger evil (Blizzard) stepped in and replaced BW PL with SC2 PL. Truthfully, SC2 will probably turn up like BW with Kespa hosting hostages of the players for leverage. But this time, they can't rely on the Korean audience because Koreans are focused on other games, they have to appease to non-Korean tournaments. But I doubt they would really care if SC2 goes under since they always have LoL for profits. So bogus of kespa. If a kespa player won destiny's tournament, they would get money and exposure. Destiny is not the sole profiteer. Give destiny the players? He's not asking for years of hard labour from then. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2720 Posts
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
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Mattidute
Netherlands232 Posts
On August 07 2014 01:38 Ammanas wrote: Well, Jaedong playing in Proleague and GSL (plus having same opportunities as all the other Kespa players of qualifying for foreign tournaments) >>> Jaedong playing WCS AM and every possible Dreamhack / whatever else cashgrab tournament is going on. People are acting like Kespa players don't get to play tournaments, which is simply not true. Every online qualifier is filled with players from at least CJ and Samsung, sometimes KT and SKT players and ofc IM/MVP/Prime. Only JinAir mostly doesn't allow their players to participate, but I expect this to change now that SPL almost ended. Jin Air won't change much in sending players out, SKT and KT will most likely also not send out that many players to foreign even after ProLeague is over as those 3 teams simply have not much to gain from doing it as their product is simply not being available outside of South Korea and some Asian countries, it's why CJ and Samsung do send out their players more often (CJ Entus being part of CJ E&M which is a subsidiary under CJ Group that deals with all entertainment that they own (k-pop and korean films/drama/variety show among things, Samsung for their phone/tv/monitor/etc. products). | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 07 2014 03:05 argonautdice wrote: I don't understand why people say this tournament is shady. It's approved by Netease, Blizzard's Chinese branch and sponsored by well-known game, video and stream companies in China. Now it is difficult to get government documents in China in a week because of all the red tapes, so it's understandable that Kespa doesn't want to take the risk, but to say that WEC made up the lineup is just slander. IPL5 didn't pay people for months, it's reasonable to approach tournaments you're not organizing yourself with some skepticism. A lot of organizers in esports have trouble actually going through with their promises, I don't think you should just up and trust WEC because they're approved by anyone. | ||
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