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Official KeSPA statement added to OP |
On August 07 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:05 argonautdice wrote:
I don't understand why people say this tournament is shady. It's approved by Netease, Blizzard's Chinese branch and sponsored by well-known game, video and stream companies in China. Now it is difficult to get government documents in China in a week because of all the red tapes, so it's understandable that Kespa doesn't want to take the risk, but to say that WEC made up the lineup is just slander. IPL5 didn't pay people for months, it's reasonable to approach tournaments you're not organizing yourself with some skepticism. A lot of organizers in esports have trouble actually going through with their promises, I don't think you should just up and trust WEC because they're approved by anyone.
Agreed, Kespa has the right to be suspicious, everybody has. But the bad timing of their statement makes me wonder whether WEC is incredible poorly prepared, approaching the players that late or whether they deliberately posted their response that late to sabotage the event.
In fact, did WEC even approach the players as they claimed to have proof of? One side is clearly lying into our face and I want to know which.
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On August 07 2014 04:35 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 03:20 Zealously wrote:On August 07 2014 03:05 argonautdice wrote:
I don't understand why people say this tournament is shady. It's approved by Netease, Blizzard's Chinese branch and sponsored by well-known game, video and stream companies in China. Now it is difficult to get government documents in China in a week because of all the red tapes, so it's understandable that Kespa doesn't want to take the risk, but to say that WEC made up the lineup is just slander. IPL5 didn't pay people for months, it's reasonable to approach tournaments you're not organizing yourself with some skepticism. A lot of organizers in esports have trouble actually going through with their promises, I don't think you should just up and trust WEC because they're approved by anyone. Agreed, Kespa has the right to be suspicious, everybody has. But the bad timing of their statement makes me wonder whether WEC is incredible poorly prepared, approaching the players that late or whether they deliberately posted their response that late to sabotage the event. In fact, did WEC even approach the players as they claimed to have proof of? One side is clearly lying into our face and I want to know which.
SoO doesn't play on a barcode on korea, so you could probably just ask him if he was asked to play or not.
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To be fair, blizzard sanction event doesn't really mean much considering how much money was owed to players from dead tournament organizers.
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The organizer did sent email to KeSPA and confirmed that it is a Blizzard sanctioned event but KeSPA ultimately ignored it,
so Kespa never agreed to participate....
and furthermore notify that their teams will not be playing]
good move, they know how to run a sport federation
look like a whining post to me^^
this topic is so LOL....WCS/WEC/proleague...always the same players...^^
ps: loved the "kespa kills esports" hope one day blizzard will do the same and not what they're doing right now :p
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On August 07 2014 00:13 BreAKerTV wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 23:57 Caihead wrote:On August 06 2014 23:41 SuperHofmann wrote:On August 06 2014 23:39 sd_andeh wrote:
inb4 the winner doesn't get paid and KeSPA was right all along.
KeSPA doesn't deny their players tournaments just to show muscle lol, this is to protect the players. I don't agree with the lying about the bracket though Protect from what? Sending their players to a questionable tournament where they might not get paid properly or on time or compensated for travel? When's the last time you've ever heard a Kespa player complain about tournaments not paying them? Non-kespa players on the other hand... If it makes you feel any better, I am the caster for the event and I'm in the same boat (more or less) with the players. I am willing to take the risks too.
Obviously I want this event to be a hit (why wouldn't I), was just stating an obvious motivation for why Kespa is doing this and how it's not unreasonable.
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Great was looking forward for taeja to loose to these kespa beasts so everyone would shut up about him
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On August 07 2014 06:33 Nuka wrote:
Great was looking forward for taeja to loose to these kespa beasts so everyone would shut up about him
Pretty sure Taeja have positive records against these "Kespa beasts" already. The only losses I can think of is vs Dear and sOs, when protoss was at the peak of imbaness.
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On August 07 2014 06:46 imrusty269 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 06:33 Nuka wrote:
Great was looking forward for taeja to loose to these kespa beasts so everyone would shut up about him Pretty sure Taeja have positive records against these "Kespa beasts" already. The only losses I can think of is vs Dear and sOs, when protoss was at the peak of imbaness.
ahahahahahah, i hope something happens and these players still compete.
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3-0ing Zest and winning Solar with screwed wirsts was enough to prove that he is good.
PS: Time to hear the "Hurdur Zest was playing on a Courage level!1! Pigbaby Pigbaby Pigbaby Pigbaby Pigbaby1!!!!!"
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Why wouldn't you try?
It's an online qualifier, so you do not have to pay to fly to participate for the qualifiers. If you make it through the Korean qualifier, you have great chance of winning the entire tournament, given the qualified players from China, Europe, and US. So qualifying gives you a good chance at placing 1st or 2nd in the main event.
I am not surprised that many big name KESPA players are trying to qualify. It's an easy $24,272 compared to winning other tournaments of similar prize pool.
Not sure why KESPA is preventing players from participating. KESPA has its merits and flaws. If I am a player, I like KESPA if it is protecting teams and players against others that are trying to exploit me, not paying. I do not like KESPA if this is some political issue. Who can say what the issue is? I am sure they have criteria a tournament must meet, put in place so that their players are accommodated and paid appropriately. Who knows?
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On August 07 2014 07:08 Starecat wrote:
3-0ing Zest and winning Solar with screwed wirsts was enough to prove that he is good.
PS: Time to hear the "Hurdur Zest was playing on a Courage level!1! Pigbaby Pigbaby Pigbaby Pigbaby Pigbaby1!!!!!"
Zest played the worst games of his life (despite nearly winning the last 2 games). And solar should of took the finals with ease i think he was maybe nervous. But whatever i hope to see him in the gsl or proleague sometime soon. I dont doubt his skill i would just like to see him compete in korea once again.
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still amazing³ players in it, wont hurt so much when jaedong and taeja or anyone like this qualify so i am still ok
lets kespa be kespa , we know how they are
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Ok, maybe a little out of topic but...
KesPa is like the Jedi Council? They make all the decisions?
According... the best interests... of the Republic? (or Federation).
And if teams want their players to play... and the players want to play... but KesPa says NO its lights out?
And the reason behind the NO is because... we can? (referring to KesPa)
Sorry, just trying to understand.
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well the thing is like this, WEC side is angry because they had contact KeSPA and KePSA first say no and later somehow admit that lol. I can totally understand KeSPA's concern, its a new organizer, new tournament, and with seems too high prize-pool. BUT the problem is, lets stick with the FACT but not other things, if WEC didnt contact you, then fine, WEC's fault; but if you are lying about it from the start, then hey, no matter how good reason you have, I dont really want to hear now 
By Chuddinater:
'I'm sorry if it came off as rude. I was not trying to be, I just didn't understand the end part of your last message.
Please remove all KeSPA players from the line up list. I have already contacted Team Liquid and they will be removing it from their page as well.
Also we did reply I am looking at the email right now. d8tv sent the email on the 29th and we replied on the 30th.
Also please remove the email from your post.'
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2cphss/lineup_for_the_korean_qualifier_of_world_esport/
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On August 07 2014 07:09 Prolet wrote:
Why wouldn't you try?
It's an online qualifier, so you do not have to pay to fly to participate for the qualifiers. If you make it through the Korean qualifier, you have great chance of winning the entire tournament, given the qualified players from China, Europe, and US. So qualifying gives you a good chance at placing 1st or 2nd in the main event.
I am not surprised that many big name KESPA players are trying to qualify. It's an easy $24,272 compared to winning other tournaments of similar prize pool.
Not sure why KESPA is preventing players from participating. KESPA has its merits and flaws. If I am a player, I like KESPA if it is protecting teams and players against others that are trying to exploit me, not paying. I do not like KESPA if this is some political issue. Who can say what the issue is? I am sure they have criteria a tournament must meet, put in place so that their players are accommodated and paid appropriately. Who knows?
According to some users here, Kespa also denied its players participation in Destiny's tournament, even though there is 100% proof that it is completely funded due to crowdfunding.
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On August 07 2014 07:45 IPOs_K wrote:well the thing is like this, WEC side is angry because they had contact KeSPA and KePSA first say no and later somehow admit that lol. I can totally understand KeSPA's concern, its a new organizer, new tournament, and with seems too high prize-pool. BUT the problem is, lets stick with the FACT but not other things, if WEC didnt contact you, then fine, WEC's fault; but if you are lying about it from the start, then hey, no matter how good reason you have, I dont really want to hear now By Chuddinater: 'I'm sorry if it came off as rude. I was not trying to be, I just didn't understand the end part of your last message. Please remove all KeSPA players from the line up list. I have already contacted Team Liquid and they will be removing it from their page as well. Also we did reply I am looking at the email right now. d8tv sent the email on the 29th and we replied on the 30th.Also please remove the email from your post.'
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2cphss/lineup_for_the_korean_qualifier_of_world_esport/
Well, so that Kespa guy was lying after all. Nevertheless, contacting Kespa not even two weeks in advance is very shortsighted of them. In particular since Kespa might want to see some securities first that everything is legit (as they did). I wonder whether WEC was in contact with the players before that.
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On August 07 2014 07:57 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 07:45 IPOs_K wrote:well the thing is like this, WEC side is angry because they had contact KeSPA and KePSA first say no and later somehow admit that lol. I can totally understand KeSPA's concern, its a new organizer, new tournament, and with seems too high prize-pool. BUT the problem is, lets stick with the FACT but not other things, if WEC didnt contact you, then fine, WEC's fault; but if you are lying about it from the start, then hey, no matter how good reason you have, I dont really want to hear now By Chuddinater: 'I'm sorry if it came off as rude. I was not trying to be, I just didn't understand the end part of your last message. Please remove all KeSPA players from the line up list. I have already contacted Team Liquid and they will be removing it from their page as well. Also we did reply I am looking at the email right now. d8tv sent the email on the 29th and we replied on the 30th.Also please remove the email from your post.'
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2cphss/lineup_for_the_korean_qualifier_of_world_esport/ Well, so that Kespa guy was lying after all. Nevertheless, contacting Kespa not even two weeks in advance is very shortsighted of them. In particular since Kespa might want to see some securities first that everything is legit (as they did). I wonder whether WEC was in contact with the players before that.
edit: nvm
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On August 07 2014 07:57 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 07:45 IPOs_K wrote:well the thing is like this, WEC side is angry because they had contact KeSPA and KePSA first say no and later somehow admit that lol. I can totally understand KeSPA's concern, its a new organizer, new tournament, and with seems too high prize-pool. BUT the problem is, lets stick with the FACT but not other things, if WEC didnt contact you, then fine, WEC's fault; but if you are lying about it from the start, then hey, no matter how good reason you have, I dont really want to hear now By Chuddinater: 'I'm sorry if it came off as rude. I was not trying to be, I just didn't understand the end part of your last message. Please remove all KeSPA players from the line up list. I have already contacted Team Liquid and they will be removing it from their page as well. Also we did reply I am looking at the email right now. d8tv sent the email on the 29th and we replied on the 30th.Also please remove the email from your post.'
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2cphss/lineup_for_the_korean_qualifier_of_world_esport/ Well, so that Kespa guy was lying after all. Nevertheless, contacting Kespa not even two weeks in advance is very shortsighted of them. In particular since Kespa might want to see some securities first that everything is legit (as they did). I wonder whether WEC was in contact with the players before that.
Nah, I don't think KeSPA was lying, more of a case of semantics. Chuddinater was basically referring to WEC not contacting them about proceeding to post the lineup to the public. WEC did contact KeSPA requesting for participation and they said no. These two events together make sense. Would love to see a screencap of that July 29-30 e-mail trail to end this fiasco.
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France7248 Posts
just saw the update of OP, were was made the statement by Chuddinater? I would like to quote it, but is there a direct link?
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On August 07 2014 10:00 Yhamm wrote:
just saw the update of OP, were was made the statement by Chuddinater? I would like to quote it, but is there a direct link?
TL deleted the thread and just posted it in here.
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