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Official KeSPA statement added to OP |
On August 07 2014 12:24 pzlama333 wrote:
New quote by xiaose: "I released the list, because all teams have agreed it (the invitation). When I asked whether it needs the agreement of kespa clearly, most team said it does not matter and they have the right to go by their own."
He quoted earlier: "There are only a few tournaments recognized by China General Sports Administration every year."
That sounds like a little bit of BS, considering KeSPA governs all of the teams and it's not just an organization that puts on Proleague
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On August 07 2014 12:24 pzlama333 wrote:
New quote by xiaose: "I released the list, because all teams have agreed it (the invitation). When I asked whether it needs the agreement of kespa clearly, most team said it does not matter and they have the right to go by their own."
He quoted earlier: "There are only a few tournaments recognized by China General Sports Administration every year."
Those rebel teams are going to Kespa jail soon.
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United States97277 Posts
wow San vs Journey in the playin series? How unfortunate. I like them both
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Why all the KeSPA hate?
On August 07 2014 12:00 coverpunch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 11:14 zxdyn wrote:KeSPA had made a policy to not take requests from tournaments in China unless they are recognized by the China General Sports Administration. The China General Sports Administration is a government body running large sports games like 2008 Beijing Olympics or 2013 World Swimming Championships. I don't think any SC2 tournament would be recognized by them. So actually, KeSPA players won't show up in any Chinese SC2 tournament. By the way, is MLG recognized by U.S. Department of Sports or American Sports Federation? in September the KeSPA Cup will be held with all the top KeSPA players and players around the World. Real reason it is. Comparing MLG to WEC is apples to oranges. For one, MLG is a corporation registered in the state of New York, so it has a roster of owners and managers and a business address. They also ran several tournaments successfully with few complaints about accommodations or payment before they started dealing with Kespa, so they have a clear track record showing their ability to put on a good show and attract a large audience even without Korean players. It's also worth noting that it is easy for Korean citizens to enter the US and to leave with their prize money or have it transferred to Korea and converted to won. This organization doesn't have any such thing. It's unclear where they are registered, who their owners and managers are, where their headquarters are located, and where they are getting the money. They have no apparent track record of putting on events or of having to put up players, managers, and guests in accommodations. The question of visas and prize money are also not trivial and the language barrier is huge because most Korean players do not speak Chinese or English. China is much stricter than the US or EU, both in terms of entering the country and capital controls (i.e. leaving with cash). The kinds of things Kespa is looking for don't strike me as unfair or outrageous, especially for a country like China where almost nobody is familiar with their regulatory and legal system. It's one thing for IEM to throw an event in China, where the organization has also proved it knows what it's doing and how to handle things there. It's another to trust a totally unknown group to do it.
This post needs more attention. Its exactly why KeSPA doesn't want to send any players to this competition yet, and its to protect their players. I know they have their own fault in stating that WEC didn't even contact them at all, but then again its also WEC's fault for not sending the required information, and registering with the Chinese General Sports Administration.
Furthermore, it seems like KeSPA had trouble with competitions held in China in the past and would not want to make the same mistake again, and especially considering WEC is a newly created organisation and without any solid background like MLG, KeSPA probably would not send anyone there.
Perhaps if WEC can succeed this time, KeSPA may consider sending players from the next round onwards.
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On August 07 2014 13:13 silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 12:24 pzlama333 wrote:
New quote by xiaose: "I released the list, because all teams have agreed it (the invitation). When I asked whether it needs the agreement of kespa clearly, most team said it does not matter and they have the right to go by their own."
He quoted earlier: "There are only a few tournaments recognized by China General Sports Administration every year." Those rebel teams are going to Kespa jail soon.
Once behind bars, Kespa realizes the error of locking the entirety of themselves in Kespa jail.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
As long as they don't put Life in my cell I'm fine with that
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Korea (South)169 Posts
On August 07 2014 13:29 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 13:13 silvana wrote:On August 07 2014 12:24 pzlama333 wrote:
New quote by xiaose: "I released the list, because all teams have agreed it (the invitation). When I asked whether it needs the agreement of kespa clearly, most team said it does not matter and they have the right to go by their own."
He quoted earlier: "There are only a few tournaments recognized by China General Sports Administration every year." Those rebel teams are going to Kespa jail soon. Once behind bars, Kespa realizes the error of locking the entirety of themselves in Kespa jail.
WHAT HAVE WE DONE!!!!!!
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Sweden33719 Posts
[2014-08-06 오후 5:56:33] Jonathan Walsh: lol
[2014-08-06 오후 5:56:42] Jonathan Walsh: i bet what happened is the tournametn conmtacted players indivudally
[2014-08-06 오후 5:56:44] Jonathan Walsh: they signed up
[2014-08-06 오후 5:56:47] Jonathan Walsh: then kespa got mad they were
[2014-08-06 오후 5:56:49] Jonathan Walsh: circumvented
Also KeSPA will not work with any tournament or organizer that will not go through proper channels and procedures. They decided to try and navigate around us and contacted the players directly. We will not work with an organization that will try to circumvent the procedures we have in place.
Too predictable.
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omg. i do not know what to say anymore except : Let them play
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Korea (South)227 Posts
Meh. While its understandable to take precautions, I really think the risk should be for the players to decide. Not really liking this decision, players should be allowed to take the damn risk of not receiving some or all earnings they potentially can earn. If KeSPA just hammers them all down into submission, they have 0% chance to make ANY money.
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I guess most people here dont like being controlled/regulated by any kind of school/government/organization/firm/parents. Your occupation must be CEO, president or something
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On August 07 2014 14:37 Arceus wrote:
I guess most people here dont like being controlled/regulated by any kind of school/government/organization/firm/parents. Your occupation must be CEO, president or something
These are esports tournaments, not financial markets. They don't need regulation. To most people here, Kespa seems to serve little purpose other than its own furtherance. Especially considering how they tried to squash SC2 in its infancy, then try to muscle out GOM and unaffiliated players and then appointed themselves esports czars.
I don't know a lot about Korea, but it seems similar to Japan in that they have a rather- not sure if this is quite the right word- corporatist approach to commerce. It has it's benefits and drawbacks.
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Another quote by xiaose: "you may forget that when I contacted the teams, except skt and stork had some concern, all other teams said they can decide by their own. During the communication I clearly told them kespa would not allow them to participate. Though skt and Samsung had some concern, at last they all responded that even kespa did not agree, they (those teams) whether they would decide to go or not by their own. I do not know what kespa did to let them quit, but they really messed up something they lying that I did not contact them at all."
ps: currently China Central Government have a special investigation team in China General Sports Administration, so they are unable to recognize any esport event now.
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On August 07 2014 15:25 pzlama333 wrote:
Another quote by xiaose: "you may forget that when I contacted the teams, except skt and stork had some concern, all other teams said they can decide by their own. During the communication I clearly told them kespa would not allow them to participate. Though skt and Samsung had some concern, at last they all responded that even kespa did not agree, they (those teams) whether they would decide to go or not by their own. I do not know what kespa did to let them quit, but they really messed up something they lying that I did not contact them at all."
ps: currently China Central Government have a special investigation team in China General Sports Administration, so they are unable to recognize any esport event now.
This thread is useless without pics(of the message/mail send between the teams/players and WEC guys).
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On August 07 2014 14:55 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 14:37 Arceus wrote:
I guess most people here dont like being controlled/regulated by any kind of school/government/organization/firm/parents. Your occupation must be CEO, president or something These are esports tournaments, not financial markets. They don't need regulation.
Well I stop reading here, this is some video game thingy and not professional sport (aka esport like we love to proclaim) right. Teams and leagues screw over players everyday. Must be fun reading all those cry afterward on TL
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On August 07 2014 14:25 Orlok wrote:
Meh. While its understandable to take precautions, I really think the risk should be for the players to decide. Not really liking this decision, players should be allowed to take the damn risk of not receiving some or all earnings they potentially can earn. If KeSPA just hammers them all down into submission, they have 0% chance to make ANY money.
Meh the risk should be on teams, not players. Teams are paying them, teams have contracts with them and ultimately the only reason they even play the game is to promote their sponsors. And guess who actually is Kespa? Yes, its the representatives of teams and sponsors.
This whole forum (and reddit) are calling for professionalism all the time, but when something is handled like in real world, everyone just screams and kicks like a little baby...
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On August 07 2014 15:29 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 14:55 Jerubaal wrote:On August 07 2014 14:37 Arceus wrote:
I guess most people here dont like being controlled/regulated by any kind of school/government/organization/firm/parents. Your occupation must be CEO, president or something These are esports tournaments, not financial markets. They don't need regulation. Well I stop reading here, this is some video game thingy and not professional sport (aka esport like we love to proclaim) right. Teams and leagues screw over players everyday. Must be fun reading all those cry afterward on TL
You're a very combative person. Is your whole goal just to insult everyone?
This is normal Kespa petulance, not player protection.
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On August 07 2014 15:39 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2014 15:29 Arceus wrote:On August 07 2014 14:55 Jerubaal wrote:On August 07 2014 14:37 Arceus wrote:
I guess most people here dont like being controlled/regulated by any kind of school/government/organization/firm/parents. Your occupation must be CEO, president or something These are esports tournaments, not financial markets. They don't need regulation. Well I stop reading here, this is some video game thingy and not professional sport (aka esport like we love to proclaim) right. Teams and leagues screw over players everyday. Must be fun reading all those cry afterward on TL You're a very combative person. Is your whole goal just to insult everyone? This is normal Kespa petulance, not player protection.
Really...? How soon have we forgotten the Philippine fiasco...
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i have no problems with kespa...
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What's there to "protect"? It's not like they are going into wars. It's just a Starcraft tournament man.
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