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http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2014073122532834750
It seems that MVP is "rebuilding" for next season of Proleague. The new players are  Symbol,  Center,  YongHwa and KangHo. Choya joins as coach, while previous head coach Lim Hyun Seok moves to coach MVP's DotA 2 squads, MVP.Phoenix and MVP.HOT6.
There are also talks about forming partnerships to bring in d.Seed, Liquid`HerO and yoeFW.Leenock.
My Korean skills are fairly limited so if anything is wrong, please correct me.
EDIT: Seed has confirmed on his Twitter that he is going to play in Proleague for MVP:
EDIT 2: HerO also confirmed on Twitter that he will play for MVP:
EDIT 3: DRG confirmed to have left MVP
EDIT 4: It has been confirmed that all former MVP players are no longer on the team.
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wow Amazing! Can't wait to see LosirA playing =)
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With this news in the last 24 hours, now 6 teamless Koreans have found teams (Dear to Samsung, ByuL to CJ and now Center, YongHwa, Symbol and KangHo to MVP). It's great to see this happening rather than all of the doom and gloom.
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Belgica34432 Posts
Wow, nice
Unfortunate to see Choya and Leenock hopping teams tho
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your Country52797 Posts
Sick, hoping MVP can contest for a playoffs spot in next year's proleague!
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This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.
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On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.
We still have 8, StarTale are likely replacing IM who only have 1 player left in Lucky.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10.
If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.
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wow nice pickups, I only wish they picked up Supernova too lol
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Does that mean DongRaeGu, Billowy, etc. are all released?
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sick sick sick sick
SC2 is living his rebirth right before our eyes !
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On July 31 2014 23:39 Die4Ever wrote:
wow nice pickups, I only wish they picked up Supernova too lol
He recently joined ROOT.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 31 2014 23:40 LightSpectra wrote:
Does that mean DongRaeGu, Billowy, etc. are all released?
I don't think there's been any news about that beyond DRG's funky Twitter name change
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Siiiick ! Nice to see the korean scene staying strong and the teamless players finding a new home !
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I wish there could be a partnership between Liquid, EG & Acer to form a KR squad in Proleague!
They've got a solid KR lineup, plus great non-Koreans which would be awesome to watch
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On July 31 2014 23:41 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:40 LightSpectra wrote:
Does that mean DongRaeGu, Billowy, etc. are all released? I don't think there's been any news about that beyond DRG's funky Twitter name change
Saying the team is "rebuilding" seems to imply that something is getting wiped away.
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I would actually love to see Acer as the 10th Proleague team...
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On July 31 2014 23:41 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:39 Die4Ever wrote:
wow nice pickups, I only wish they picked up Supernova too lol He recently joined ROOT.
oh right
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On July 31 2014 23:43 WGT-Baal wrote:
I would actually love to see Acer as the 10th Proleague team...
With Nerchio and MMA playing WCS EU and Scarlett playing WCS AM it's impossible without dozens and dozens travels a year.
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On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.
in the axiom ama olivia said to expect very good news about proleague possibly about im (not an axiom joining unfortunately though)
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Acer-Axiom partnership for Proleague would be the best thing ever!
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On July 31 2014 23:48 fromtenedos wrote:
Acer-Axiom partnership for Proleague would be the best thing ever!
This was brought up in a thread a few weeks ago and TotalBiscuit responded seemingly indicating very strongly that Axiom has no interest in Proleague.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 31 2014 23:43 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:41 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:40 LightSpectra wrote:
Does that mean DongRaeGu, Billowy, etc. are all released? I don't think there's been any news about that beyond DRG's funky Twitter name change Saying the team is "rebuilding" seems to imply that something is getting wiped away.
There are a lot of implications and rumors floating around. Until a reliable source explicitly says that the old roster is gone, I'm hesitant to believe everyone would leave MVP.
On July 31 2014 23:49 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:48 fromtenedos wrote:
Acer-Axiom partnership for Proleague would be the best thing ever! This was brought up in a thread a few weeks ago and TotalBiscuit responded seemingly indicating very strongly that Axiom has no interest in Proleague.
TB has said many times that the cons outweigh the pros of participating in Proleague. Because they aren't sponsored by a Korean sponsor, the attraction of Proleague (giving the big title sponsor exposure in exchange for funding) isn't there. Playing in Proleague wouldn't be much more than a fan service, and I can understand his position.
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Fuck yeah, sick lineup so far, and Choya gets a new gig. Happy this is happening.
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Holy shit, what a news! Amazing! :D
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On July 31 2014 23:42 alukarD wrote:
I wish there could be a partnership between Liquid, EG & Acer to form a KR squad in Proleague!
They've got a solid KR lineup, plus great non-Koreans which would be awesome to watch
I think Axiom-Acer would be much better. Taeja never really played Progleague, and EG only has Jaedong. But they would probably need something else to compete in Proleague I think, maybe Axiom-Acer-mYinsanity lol, but no way that's happening.
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On July 31 2014 23:49 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:48 fromtenedos wrote:
Acer-Axiom partnership for Proleague would be the best thing ever! This was brought up in a thread a few weeks ago and TotalBiscuit responded seemingly indicating very strongly that Axiom has no interest in Proleague.
I feel like Proleague is quite interested in bringing a foreign team for next season. They might make TB an offer he can't refuse. Maybe.
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If Acer axiom came out, they will definately rank 10 just like eg liquid did. And let you know guys, mvp released every gamers like drg super etc.not just adding gamer but also release every gamers who was in mvp
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really happy about that 
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Taeja played proleague lat season and was 10win 10lose he did approximately. Proleague is the highest level league.
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MVP had already put serious recent efforts ($) into strengthening their line-up, picking up hyvaa and alive. What team can afford to pick up those two players, and then follow it with everyone else listed in the OP? Including the potential of extra off-team players, just to further fill out that roster? All of whom are also top players? It just doesn't make sense unless ALL of the others are gone. Someone (owner/sponsor) fucked up a beautiful team so they could 'rebuild' it and change everything - the entire roster, the coach etc. I think I already have enough info to know that MVP is no longer MVP, at all. Time to change the team in my sig... what a disappointment for a long time fan of the team as a whole. But now who to cheer for?
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Proleague and Kespa teams are just the best. Players from Kespa have won every GSL title for a while now.
Professional Starcraft players should see training on a Kespa team as simply the best way to grow their skills and become an S-class player.
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On July 31 2014 23:57 sm1995 wrote:
If Acer axiom came out, they will definately rank 10 just like eg liquid did. And let you know guys, mvp released every gamers like drg super etc.not just adding gamer but also release every gamers who was in mvp
Any source on this?
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So it seems like everyone who was in MVP before is out. Wonder which team they would join.
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On July 31 2014 23:59 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:57 sm1995 wrote:
If Acer axiom came out, they will definately rank 10 just like eg liquid did. And let you know guys, mvp released every gamers like drg super etc.not just adding gamer but also release every gamers who was in mvp Any source on this?
He is Korean, we must trust him!
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Woot lucky MVP didnt die.
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On July 31 2014 23:57 sm1995 wrote:
If Acer axiom came out, they will definately rank 10 just like eg liquid did. And let you know guys, mvp released every gamers like drg super etc.not just adding gamer but also release every gamers who was in mvp
You think Acer-Axiom would do worse than Prime or StarTale/IM ?
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United States27 Posts
Seeing all of the Incredible Miracle players join other teams makes my Wings of Liberty Heart very sad. =(
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On July 31 2014 23:45 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:43 WGT-Baal wrote:
I would actually love to see Acer as the 10th Proleague team... With Nerchio and MMA playing WCS EU and Scarlett playing WCS AM it's impossible without dozens and dozens travels a year.
WCS EU is irrelevant - Nerchio is studying in Poland AFAIK. That's highly incompatible with Proleague.
Also he is not in shape to really help in Proleague. If he dropped from University and focused 100% on SC2 than maybe, but I don't think it would be a smart move.
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wait wait wait... MVP is getting too big, wouldnt there be a financial problem? i dont mean to sound negative, but we've seen this before in the sc2 scene.. i hope mvp is making a calculated move into this and would have to drop any of these fan favorite players in the near future 
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On August 01 2014 00:00 covetousrat wrote:
Woot lucky MVP didnt die.
Is it really "lucky" if the only aspect of MVP that carries on is its name?
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So IM is dead? One of the best team ever(solo achivements) just died?
Did I miss something or has there been rumours about this?
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Wow. Great news. MVP is going to be much more competitive in proleague next year.
I was hoping to see them announce a corporate sponsor, but it is looking less and less likely.
They are probably much more stable now, after Phoenix's run up to TI4.
Can I assume IM is disbanding now?
Lucky can't split in 5 and make a team.
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@mongmong According to the article I linked as a source, the former MVP players (DRG, Keen etc.) have left the
team and choya has become the head coach of the SC2 team of MVP. MVP is also currently recruiting
more players to play in proleague
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Russian Federation604 Posts
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On August 01 2014 00:05 Advantageous wrote:wait wait wait... MVP is getting too big, wouldnt there be a financial problem? i dont mean to sound negative, but we've seen this before in the sc2 scene.. i hope mvp is making a calculated move into this and would have to drop any of these fan favorite players in the near future
They are all gone. You take DRG's twitter name change, which, as we all know, really is indicative of team departure - and look at the strength (or cost $) of all the players listed as a new roster, including the potential extra players they might use to fill out their pro league roster. MVP is dead. They're simply avoiding sharing that fact, or the grittier details of it, because we're talking about a business, with sponsors. It is rather amusing, though, that they are trying to be sly about that at all. As if anyone who is a fan of MVP isn't going to notice that everything they were actually a fan of is gone. Only the derpiest sense of fandom would commit to MVP simply for the sake of the name.
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On August 01 2014 00:06 SNSeigifried wrote:
@mongmong According to the article I linked as a source, the former MVP players (DRG, Keen etc.) have left the
team and choya has become the head coach of the SC2 team of MVP. MVP is also currently recruiting
more players to play in proleague
wait, what? omg that's no good news afterall..
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Belgica34432 Posts
On August 01 2014 00:08 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:05 Advantageous wrote:wait wait wait... MVP is getting too big, wouldnt there be a financial problem? i dont mean to sound negative, but we've seen this before in the sc2 scene.. i hope mvp is making a calculated move into this and would have to drop any of these fan favorite players in the near future They are all gone. You take DRG's twitter name change, which, as we all know, really is indicative of team departure - and look at the strength (or cost $) of all the players listed as a new roster, including the potential extra players they might use to fill out their pro league roster. MVP is dead. They're simply avoiding sharing that fact, or the grittier details of it, because we're talking about a business, with sponsors. It is rather amusing, though, that they are trying to be sly about that at all. As if anyone who is a fan of MVP isn't going to notice that everything they were actually a fan of is gone. Only the derpiest sense of fandom would commit to MVP simply for the sake of the name.
Or maybe an announcement from MVP themselves will follow soon?
imo it would be silly of them to kick players like Super and DRG
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About Choya and Leenock switching to MVP....what does it mean for Prime?! Will they even compete in next proleague? Maybe they pick up some of the "thrown out" MVP members....
I agree with the people before that MVP without DRG Keen etc just isn't MVP anymore though....
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On August 01 2014 00:09 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:08 Lumi wrote:On August 01 2014 00:05 Advantageous wrote:wait wait wait... MVP is getting too big, wouldnt there be a financial problem? i dont mean to sound negative, but we've seen this before in the sc2 scene.. i hope mvp is making a calculated move into this and would have to drop any of these fan favorite players in the near future They are all gone. You take DRG's twitter name change, which, as we all know, really is indicative of team departure - and look at the strength (or cost $) of all the players listed as a new roster, including the potential extra players they might use to fill out their pro league roster. MVP is dead. They're simply avoiding sharing that fact, or the grittier details of it, because we're talking about a business, with sponsors. It is rather amusing, though, that they are trying to be sly about that at all. As if anyone who is a fan of MVP isn't going to notice that everything they were actually a fan of is gone. Only the derpiest sense of fandom would commit to MVP simply for the sake of the name. Or maybe an announcement from MVP themselves will follow soon? imo it would be silly of them to kick players like Super and DRG
Yeah it's totally unclear right now.
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On August 01 2014 00:06 yido wrote:
Wow. Great news. MVP is going to be much more competitive in proleague next year.
I was hoping to see them announce a corporate sponsor, but it is looking less and less likely.
They are probably much more stable now, after Phoenix's run up to TI4.
Can I assume IM is disbanding now?
Lucky can't split in 5 and make a team.
You don't seem to know that IM is like the worst team in team leagues. And MVP has just assimilated that team, while getting rid of its own, which, while not the best team, was certainly a better performer than IM was in team leagues. Every team is.
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On August 01 2014 00:12 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:06 yido wrote:
Wow. Great news. MVP is going to be much more competitive in proleague next year.
I was hoping to see them announce a corporate sponsor, but it is looking less and less likely.
They are probably much more stable now, after Phoenix's run up to TI4.
Can I assume IM is disbanding now?
Lucky can't split in 5 and make a team. You don't seem to know that IM is like the worst team in team leagues. And MVP has just assimilated that team, while getting rid of its own, which, while not the best team, was certainly a better performer than IM was in team leagues. Every team is.
Just stop it man....put DRGthezerg in your sig and be done with it...
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wondering whats with drg super keen bilowy is gonna be..
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I dont see the point of rebuilding if it is adding inferior/washed-out players and mercs. Just look at the mess called IM last season.
The current roster of MVP is fine and more than capable of cracking top5. They just need better coaching, practice and one solid star player (which I doubt theres any in the market right now except Trap)
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Russian Federation367 Posts
Someone should say it: LIVE GAEM? SC2 LIVE?
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Now if we can just get EG to send Jaedong back to Korea to play for a proleague team...
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On August 01 2014 00:12 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:06 yido wrote:
Wow. Great news. MVP is going to be much more competitive in proleague next year.
I was hoping to see them announce a corporate sponsor, but it is looking less and less likely.
They are probably much more stable now, after Phoenix's run up to TI4.
Can I assume IM is disbanding now?
Lucky can't split in 5 and make a team. You don't seem to know that IM is like the worst team in team leagues. And MVP has just assimilated that team, while getting rid of its own, which, while not the best team, was certainly a better performer than IM was in team leagues. Every team is.
This was true a long time ago but IM won the last GSTL they participated in and if you look at their match and game records this last season of SPL played MUCH better than MVP did. Of course much of that was due to ByuL, who is on CJ now.
If it really is the case that all of MVP's old roster (particularly DRG and Super) are gone and are being replaced with the players listed in the OP, I think they've gotten worse, not better. With the exception of HerO, every player listed there is someone who has not been a "top" player since WoL.
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On August 01 2014 00:02 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:45 Boucot wrote:On July 31 2014 23:43 WGT-Baal wrote:
I would actually love to see Acer as the 10th Proleague team... With Nerchio and MMA playing WCS EU and Scarlett playing WCS AM it's impossible without dozens and dozens travels a year. WCS EU is irrelevant - Nerchio is studying in Poland AFAIK. That's highly incompatible with Proleague. Also he is not in shape to really help in Proleague. If he dropped from University and focused 100% on SC2 than maybe, but I don't think it would be a smart move.
That's my point. If Acer decides to commit in Proleague, who besides INno would be able to play ?
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On August 01 2014 00:09 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:08 Lumi wrote:On August 01 2014 00:05 Advantageous wrote:wait wait wait... MVP is getting too big, wouldnt there be a financial problem? i dont mean to sound negative, but we've seen this before in the sc2 scene.. i hope mvp is making a calculated move into this and would have to drop any of these fan favorite players in the near future They are all gone. You take DRG's twitter name change, which, as we all know, really is indicative of team departure - and look at the strength (or cost $) of all the players listed as a new roster, including the potential extra players they might use to fill out their pro league roster. MVP is dead. They're simply avoiding sharing that fact, or the grittier details of it, because we're talking about a business, with sponsors. It is rather amusing, though, that they are trying to be sly about that at all. As if anyone who is a fan of MVP isn't going to notice that everything they were actually a fan of is gone. Only the derpiest sense of fandom would commit to MVP simply for the sake of the name. Or maybe an announcement from MVP themselves will follow soon? imo it would be silly of them to kick players like Super and DRG
Here's what I think. You don't need much tin foil for this one - Owner/sponsors are unhappy with the performance of their SC2 team, particularly by contrast to the success and numbers of their Moba teams. Tired of this lackluster state, they wipe the team and start from scratch. Maybe something was offered to some of the better players - like Super and DRG, but with DRG's twitter name already being changed.. the idea that he remains is already something that I would bet money against. That's the meaningful metric for me - whether I'd put money on it. Maybe they did want to retain a few of their best players. But MVP is a family team that has been around since the beginning and a lot of those players (DRG, Sniper, Super, Tails, maybe billowy) have been playing and training together from the beginning. I could see them not wanting to stick with the team if the family was being thrown out. If everything about the team was being thrown out, except for them.
Just look at the cross-game / organization-wide level of restructuring going on here, with the coach from one game being moved to coach their teams in another game. Someone with power/$ gutted what was MVP. Even if they wanted to hold onto DRG and Super, do you think they could afford all of the players they just listed, and that they would also still be looking to contract in players like seed, HerO and Leenock?
MVP tried to strengthen its roster with alive and hyvaa - somewhat dubious picks. That attempt has been a failure, with their performance declining since those pick-ups. I think that was the last straw.
And I get it. This is a business. You can't just dump money into a poorly performing team forever. But in the same breath, rebuilding your team with the roster of the worst-performing team in team leagues belies more that someone was impatient and unhappy, than that they actually have any idea how to run a team or make anything better.
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On August 01 2014 00:10 Hassan_RO wrote:
About Choya and Leenock switching to MVP....what does it mean for Prime?! Will they even compete in next proleague? Maybe they pick up some of the "thrown out" MVP members....
I agree with the people before that MVP without DRG Keen etc just isn't MVP anymore though....
AFAIK, Leenock is not leaving yoeFW. Rather a partnership so he can help MVP in proleague.
Also I really dislike Choya for this.
Retire as a player.
Retire as a player.
Become a fulltime coach
Say after fOu disbanded he always hated being a coach and wanted to be a player
And now, half a year later he is a coach again.
Like wtf
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Yeaaaaaaaaaah KangHo in PL again!
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I want to see Supernova in proleague!
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On August 01 2014 00:22 Rocket-Bear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:10 Hassan_RO wrote:
About Choya and Leenock switching to MVP....what does it mean for Prime?! Will they even compete in next proleague? Maybe they pick up some of the "thrown out" MVP members....
I agree with the people before that MVP without DRG Keen etc just isn't MVP anymore though.... AFAIK, Leenock is not leaving yoeFW. Rather a partnership so he can help MVP in proleague. Also I really dislike Choya for this. Retire as a player. Retire as a player. Become a fulltime coach Say after fOu disbanded he always hated being a coach and wanted to be a player And now, half a year later he is a coach again. Like wtf
Yeah, for a second, it's tempting to be like oh Choya, cool, I guess that's a pretty good coach.. people know him, and he's a character that we can love, or something. But my estimate of him now is that he's just a merc coach, trying to stay employed, who has a bigger 'name' than he does a reputation for success. This may be too hard on him, but, after reading your post.. I feel a bit more affirmed.
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United States23455 Posts
Wow that leaves several big free agents from MVP. This is really interesting
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Damn this is awesome, a lot of the long time teamless but still excellent Koreans finally getting a new home. I wonder what this means for the rest of the MVP lineup though, it is still quite large and they have fantastic players in DRG, Super, Keen, Dream and tons of supporting cast in Billowy, Shine (not the evil cheesy one) and Tails. Not sure how MVP could support all of their old players and their new crew.
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OH MY GOD!
Such a good day, so many good news.
Remember how grim was last year at the same period?
I'm so happy right now
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On August 01 2014 00:37 Destructicon wrote:
Damn this is awesome, a lot of the long time teamless but still excellent Koreans finally getting a new home. I wonder what this means for the rest of the MVP lineup though, it is still quite large and they have fantastic players in DRG, Super, Keen, Dream and tons of supporting cast in Billowy, Shine (not the evil cheesy one) and Tails. Not sure how MVP could support all of their old players and their new crew.
Drg keen super dream released maybe
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Daaaaaammmmn Nice MVP is going enrage :D
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Omg drg and keen left? Damn!
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Meh, I'm not sure how I feel about Proleague allowing mercenaries to play for the teams. :-/
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On August 01 2014 00:24 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:22 Rocket-Bear wrote:On August 01 2014 00:10 Hassan_RO wrote:
About Choya and Leenock switching to MVP....what does it mean for Prime?! Will they even compete in next proleague? Maybe they pick up some of the "thrown out" MVP members....
I agree with the people before that MVP without DRG Keen etc just isn't MVP anymore though.... AFAIK, Leenock is not leaving yoeFW. Rather a partnership so he can help MVP in proleague. Also I really dislike Choya for this. Retire as a player. Retire as a player. Become a fulltime coach Say after fOu disbanded he always hated being a coach and wanted to be a player And now, half a year later he is a coach again. Like wtf Yeah, for a second, it's tempting to be like oh Choya, cool, I guess that's a pretty good coach.. people know him, and he's a character that we can love, or something. But my estimate of him now is that he's just a merc coach, trying to stay employed, who has a bigger 'name' than he does a reputation for success. This may be too hard on him, but, after reading your post.. I feel a bit more affirmed.
trying to stay employed he is? that´s really shady. Shame on you choya, shame on you...
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United States23455 Posts
Damn you DJHelium you dirty sniper
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On August 01 2014 00:20 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:12 Lumi wrote:On August 01 2014 00:06 yido wrote:
Wow. Great news. MVP is going to be much more competitive in proleague next year.
I was hoping to see them announce a corporate sponsor, but it is looking less and less likely.
They are probably much more stable now, after Phoenix's run up to TI4.
Can I assume IM is disbanding now?
Lucky can't split in 5 and make a team. You don't seem to know that IM is like the worst team in team leagues. And MVP has just assimilated that team, while getting rid of its own, which, while not the best team, was certainly a better performer than IM was in team leagues. Every team is. This was true a long time ago but IM won the last GSTL they participated in and if you look at their match and game records this last season of SPL played MUCH better than MVP did. Of course much of that was due to ByuL, who is on CJ now. If it really is the case that all of MVP's old roster (particularly DRG and Super) are gone and are being replaced with the players listed in the OP, I think they've gotten worse, not better. With the exception of HerO, every player listed there is someone who has not been a "top" player since WoL.
Aye, thanks for reminding me about Byul. He has been a surprisingly late bloomer w/ his recent performance, and yeah, it's a big part of any recent, temporary success that IM had.
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On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.
There are almost no incentives for someone like TB or foreign teams in general to touch PL with a ten foot pole, and a lot of very good reasons not to.
On the plus side, I was about 9001% sure MVP was deder than Sc2, but they seem determined to stick with it. Coolios.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Who to trust, forum posters convinced they have the situation fully figured out, or a Proleague caster? Decisions, decisions
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This is great news, such a great way to start the day, lets go SC2 we can do this ♥
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On August 01 2014 00:49 Darkhorse wrote:
Damn you DJHelium you dirty sniper
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On August 01 2014 00:50 Zealously wrote:Who to trust, forum posters convinced they have the situation fully figured out, or a Proleague caster? Decisions, decisions
To be fair, the way he worded it seems like DongRaeGu's future within MVP is very uncertain.
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On August 01 2014 00:48 tar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:24 Lumi wrote:On August 01 2014 00:22 Rocket-Bear wrote:On August 01 2014 00:10 Hassan_RO wrote:
About Choya and Leenock switching to MVP....what does it mean for Prime?! Will they even compete in next proleague? Maybe they pick up some of the "thrown out" MVP members....
I agree with the people before that MVP without DRG Keen etc just isn't MVP anymore though.... AFAIK, Leenock is not leaving yoeFW. Rather a partnership so he can help MVP in proleague. Also I really dislike Choya for this. Retire as a player. Retire as a player. Become a fulltime coach Say after fOu disbanded he always hated being a coach and wanted to be a player And now, half a year later he is a coach again. Like wtf Yeah, for a second, it's tempting to be like oh Choya, cool, I guess that's a pretty good coach.. people know him, and he's a character that we can love, or something. But my estimate of him now is that he's just a merc coach, trying to stay employed, who has a bigger 'name' than he does a reputation for success. This may be too hard on him, but, after reading your post.. I feel a bit more affirmed. trying to stay employed he is? that´s really shady. Shame on you choya, shame on you...
Hahaha! Noo, nothing against him for that. It's just a disappointing perspective to have on the coach for the team you were rooting for.. disenchanting. Uninspiring. I'd only want the best for choya, or any person :p
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On August 01 2014 00:37 Gwavajuice wrote:OH MY GOD! Such a good day, so many good news. Remember how grim was last year at the same period? I'm so happy right now
It's the un-cataclysm.
Hmm "At this moment". Doesn't sound good for MVP.DRG fans, but we will have to wait and see.
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This is fantastic! I hope DRG stays on MVP though, but if he doesn't I'm pretty sure he could find another team. He's popular among korean and foreign fans, and he's not completely washed up as a player so he'd be a fantastic pickup.
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On August 01 2014 00:50 Zealously wrote:Who to trust, forum posters convinced they have the situation fully figured out, or a Proleague caster? Decisions, decisions
A pretty uncompelling statement of already understood fact, to me. A useful reminder to those who are more careless with fact-checking themselves, though? I don't really find that it interferes with the logic that has been put forward, either. There is clearly a lot of change going on with MVP that they are being dead silent about. None of the other players have been formally announced as being off of their roster, yet, either. But, obviously, they're not all staying.
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On August 01 2014 00:51 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 00:50 Zealously wrote:Who to trust, forum posters convinced they have the situation fully figured out, or a Proleague caster? Decisions, decisions To be fair, the way he worded it seems like DongRaeGu's future within MVP is very uncertain.
Honestly, I was mostly giggling at the fact that this guy:
On July 31 2014 23:57 sm1995 wrote:
If Acer axiom came out, they will definately rank 10 just like eg liquid did. And let you know guys, mvp released every gamers like drg super etc.not just adding gamer but also release every gamers who was in mvp
and Wolf seem to be getting their information from different sources.
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YES Losira got a team! Time to see what some team house practice can do. The overall roster still looks somewhat weak for PL so I hope they're not done grabbing players
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Oh shit aLive might be gone. This news is sad again.
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DRG changed his twitter to DRGtheZerg
Keen changed his twitter from MVPKeeN to SC2KeeN
Seems to very much imply they're leaving the team.
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On August 01 2014 01:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
DRG changed his twitter to DRGtheZerg
Keen changed his twitter from MVPKeeN to SC2KeeN
Seems to very much imply they're leaving the team.
Ooo, didn't know keen changed his twitter, too.
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On August 01 2014 01:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
DRG changed his twitter to DRGtheZerg
Keen changed his twitter from MVPKeeN to SC2KeeN
Seems to very much imply they're leaving the team.
It's also speculated that the DRGtheZerg name was a play on the ScarlettTheProtoss twitter name, perhaps nothing more.
SC2Keen does seem more indicative though.
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This is great! 
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On August 01 2014 01:16 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
DRG changed his twitter to DRGtheZerg
Keen changed his twitter from MVPKeeN to SC2KeeN
Seems to very much imply they're leaving the team. It's also speculated that the DRGtheZerg name was a play on the ScarlettTheProtoss twitter name, perhaps nothing more. SC2Keen does seem more indicative though.
That may have been how DRG decided his new twitter handle, but I doubt it's the only reason.
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Dropping Super would be a bad idea though. Can't tell for DRG, but since he's well-known, it'd be bad for MVP, too I guess?
on a rather unrelated note of the recent discussion: does that mean that HerO will potentially not play for TL in ATC? (well, main part is online, so I hope he will).
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On August 01 2014 01:16 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
DRG changed his twitter to DRGtheZerg
Keen changed his twitter from MVPKeeN to SC2KeeN
Seems to very much imply they're leaving the team. It's also speculated that the DRGtheZerg name was a play on the ScarlettTheProtoss twitter name, perhaps nothing more. SC2Keen does seem more indicative though.
I thought it was the other way around: Scarlett changed her Twitter as a response to DRG's Twitter ID change...
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On August 01 2014 01:30 Saser wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:16 eviltomahawk wrote:On August 01 2014 01:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
DRG changed his twitter to DRGtheZerg
Keen changed his twitter from MVPKeeN to SC2KeeN
Seems to very much imply they're leaving the team. It's also speculated that the DRGtheZerg name was a play on the ScarlettTheProtoss twitter name, perhaps nothing more. SC2Keen does seem more indicative though. I thought it was the other way around: Scarlett changed her Twitter as a response to DRG's Twitter ID change...
I saw scarlett's change first, but it's very possible I suppose.
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I feel as if the original mvp players are probably still on contract till July 31st. Then they will be dispersed
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On August 01 2014 01:23 boxerfred wrote:
Dropping Super would be a bad idea though. Can't tell for DRG, but since he's well-known, it'd be bad for MVP, too I guess?
on a rather unrelated note of the recent discussion: does that mean that HerO will potentially not play for TL in ATC? (well, main part is online, so I hope he will).
He has played in the online portion while in PL before, but he has missed two consecutive offline finals TT
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Awesome! So many cool names! I'd love to see more KangHo again, i'm still waiting for him to take the GSL crown :D
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This overall really doesn't seem like a good thing. Its pretty safe to assume most of the previous members of MVP will now be teamless. Does this make MVP better than before? I don't really think so. On top of that this pretty much seems to solidify the collapse of the IM and Prime.
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On August 01 2014 01:41 bokchoi wrote:
This overall really doesn't seem like a good thing. Its pretty safe to assume most of the previous members of MVP will now be teamless. Does this make MVP better than before? I don't really think so. On top of that this pretty much seems to solidify the collapse of the IM and Prime.
How are you getting that Prime has collapsed?
Also team shuffles happen all the time in Dota after a big event I don't think SC2 should be so afraid of it.
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interesting to see sc2 has some shuffles still
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Heh I'm loving TL these days. F5 every 20 mins and you have fresh news and rumors :D
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Wait, I just realized the greatest implication of all these recent team shuffles...
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MVP.MVP could really happen
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PL next season: KT, SKT, Samsung, Jin Air, CJ, Startale, MVP, Prime?
I think Prime should disband and become Team 8-II
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KangHo back in action! Awww yeahhh!
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Well I'm not trusting Wolf again
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On August 01 2014 01:42 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:41 bokchoi wrote:
This overall really doesn't seem like a good thing. Its pretty safe to assume most of the previous members of MVP will now be teamless. Does this make MVP better than before? I don't really think so. On top of that this pretty much seems to solidify the collapse of the IM and Prime. How are you getting that Prime has collapsed? Also team shuffles happen all the time in Dota after a big event I don't think SC2 should be so afraid of it.
yet the T1, KT, CJ, Samsung doesnt do it, I dont remember any team shuffle in GSTL time either. This is not the NBA, team needs effort, patience and consistency to achieve success. And it's not like MVP is going the Heat way either, they are adding washed out veteran code A dropouts + a joke coach. gg
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Kinda sad. MVP without DRG is like Prime without MKP
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OK Go KT catch him!!! Not sure if the best option but you need a zergggg
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On August 01 2014 01:59 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:42 Darkhorse wrote:On August 01 2014 01:41 bokchoi wrote:
This overall really doesn't seem like a good thing. Its pretty safe to assume most of the previous members of MVP will now be teamless. Does this make MVP better than before? I don't really think so. On top of that this pretty much seems to solidify the collapse of the IM and Prime. How are you getting that Prime has collapsed? Also team shuffles happen all the time in Dota after a big event I don't think SC2 should be so afraid of it. yet the T1, KT, CJ, Samsung doesnt do it, I dont remember any team shuffle in GSTL time either. This is not the NBA, team needs effort, patience and consistency to achieve success. And it's not like MVP is going the Heat way either, they are adding washed out veteran code A dropouts + a joke coach. gg
A joke coach who won 2 GSTLs back to back
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On August 01 2014 01:59 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:42 Darkhorse wrote:On August 01 2014 01:41 bokchoi wrote:
This overall really doesn't seem like a good thing. Its pretty safe to assume most of the previous members of MVP will now be teamless. Does this make MVP better than before? I don't really think so. On top of that this pretty much seems to solidify the collapse of the IM and Prime. How are you getting that Prime has collapsed? Also team shuffles happen all the time in Dota after a big event I don't think SC2 should be so afraid of it. yet the T1, KT, CJ, Samsung doesnt do it, I dont remember any team shuffle in GSTL time either. This is not the NBA, team needs effort, patience and consistency to achieve success. And it's not like MVP is going the Heat way either, they are adding washed out veteran code A dropouts + a joke coach. gg
I know effort and patience but... who is this consistency guy you're talking about??
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hmm so they are probably getting rid of their old players? I don't really see the new team being any better
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what the actual fuck. I don't understand MVP at all then.
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I really don't see why MVP would drop all of its players, when that means the majority of the remaining free agents used to be theirs.
In other news, remember that deal the team made to convince DRG to join in the first place? I wonder if that still stands...
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On August 01 2014 02:06 myxoma_strain wrote:
I really don't see why MVP would drop all of its players, when that means the majority of the remaining free agents used to be theirs.
In other news, remember that deal the team made to convince DRG to join in the first place? I wonder if that still stands...
edit: nvm sorry misunderstood your post.
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MVP should completely merge with IM. It's better to have a team that stands a chance over 2 mediocre teams.
Right now MVP is looking more like a competitor, but IM is on the verge of death.
This is like Dragon Ball Z when Piccolo merges with that guy.
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On August 01 2014 02:07 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:06 myxoma_strain wrote:
I really don't see why MVP would drop all of its players, when that means the majority of the remaining free agents used to be theirs.
In other news, remember that deal the team made to convince DRG to join in the first place? I wonder if that still stands... that was SlayerS lol
No, he turned Boxer down, it was the MVP coach who offered to pay for tutors if it didn't work out
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On August 01 2014 02:06 myxoma_strain wrote:
I really don't see why MVP would drop all of its players, when that means the majority of the remaining free agents used to be theirs.
In other news, remember that deal the team made to convince DRG to join in the first place? I wonder if that still stands...
I would assume it does, so he's off to university then? (going of liquipedia drg page for what you are talking about)
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On August 01 2014 02:00 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:59 Arceus wrote:On August 01 2014 01:42 Darkhorse wrote:On August 01 2014 01:41 bokchoi wrote:
This overall really doesn't seem like a good thing. Its pretty safe to assume most of the previous members of MVP will now be teamless. Does this make MVP better than before? I don't really think so. On top of that this pretty much seems to solidify the collapse of the IM and Prime. How are you getting that Prime has collapsed? Also team shuffles happen all the time in Dota after a big event I don't think SC2 should be so afraid of it. yet the T1, KT, CJ, Samsung doesnt do it, I dont remember any team shuffle in GSTL time either. This is not the NBA, team needs effort, patience and consistency to achieve success. And it's not like MVP is going the Heat way either, they are adding washed out veteran code A dropouts + a joke coach. gg A joke coach who won 2 GSTLs back to back
Thats like what, 2 centuries ago? not like FXO got a weak lineup back then either. Pretty sure someone above has pointed out some pattern of choya these days. Let be honest, not many people in this thread expect the "new" MVP to finish higher than bottom 1 next season
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On August 01 2014 01:42 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:41 bokchoi wrote:
This overall really doesn't seem like a good thing. Its pretty safe to assume most of the previous members of MVP will now be teamless. Does this make MVP better than before? I don't really think so. On top of that this pretty much seems to solidify the collapse of the IM and Prime. How are you getting that Prime has collapsed? Also team shuffles happen all the time in Dota after a big event I don't think SC2 should be so afraid of it.
Leenock was previously partnered with Prime and Choya was on Prime. Coupled with the fact that Prime's dispute with TteSports has recently come into light Prime doesn't seem to be in the best shape, and they've always kind of been on the verge of collapsing.
I don't think its necessarily bad that there are team shuffles. I just think its unfortunate that basically 8-10 players or so are now without jobs. Korea oversaturated with talent but not enough space in the scene.
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How much would Leenock even play for MVP? He played what? 1 game in a whole round for Prime? He's always in Taiwan with his actual team.
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On August 01 2014 02:09 myxoma_strain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:07 LightSpectra wrote:On August 01 2014 02:06 myxoma_strain wrote:
I really don't see why MVP would drop all of its players, when that means the majority of the remaining free agents used to be theirs.
In other news, remember that deal the team made to convince DRG to join in the first place? I wonder if that still stands... that was SlayerS lol No, he turned Boxer down, it was the MVP coach who offered to pay for tutors if it didn't work out
The coach has left for Samsung's LOL team a year ago.
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On August 01 2014 02:13 Shellshock wrote:
How much would Leenock even play for MVP? He played what? 1 game in a whole round for Prime? He's always in Taiwan with his actual team.
Is he? Seeing as he plays GSL and hasn't even attempted to qualify for TeSL I would be surprised if he didn't spend more time in Korea than Taiwan
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On August 01 2014 01:58 Zealously wrote:Well I'm not trusting Wolf again
Looking forward to your future trust in me <3
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On August 01 2014 02:14 egernya wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:09 myxoma_strain wrote:On August 01 2014 02:07 LightSpectra wrote:On August 01 2014 02:06 myxoma_strain wrote:
I really don't see why MVP would drop all of its players, when that means the majority of the remaining free agents used to be theirs.
In other news, remember that deal the team made to convince DRG to join in the first place? I wonder if that still stands... that was SlayerS lol No, he turned Boxer down, it was the MVP coach who offered to pay for tutors if it didn't work out The coach has left for Samsung's LOL team a year ago.
Still could be in his contract
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On August 01 2014 01:59 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 01:42 Darkhorse wrote:On August 01 2014 01:41 bokchoi wrote:
This overall really doesn't seem like a good thing. Its pretty safe to assume most of the previous members of MVP will now be teamless. Does this make MVP better than before? I don't really think so. On top of that this pretty much seems to solidify the collapse of the IM and Prime. How are you getting that Prime has collapsed? Also team shuffles happen all the time in Dota after a big event I don't think SC2 should be so afraid of it. yet the T1, KT, CJ, Samsung doesnt do it, I dont remember any team shuffle in GSTL time either. This is not the NBA, team needs effort, patience and consistency to achieve success. And it's not like MVP is going the Heat way either, they are adding washed out veteran code A dropouts + a joke coach. gg
T1 and KT cant yet, they are still playing in the finals. CJ just picked up Byul and Samsung just picked up Dear. The top teams don't need to shuffle their rosters, they are already on top, why would they change anything major?
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On August 01 2014 02:16 myxoma_strain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:13 Shellshock wrote:
How much would Leenock even play for MVP? He played what? 1 game in a whole round for Prime? He's always in Taiwan with his actual team. Is he? Seeing as he plays GSL and hasn't even attempted to qualify for TeSL I would be surprised if he didn't spend more time in Korea than Taiwan
if he's not playing in TeSL this time then maybe he'll actually be around for proleague then. I just remember people making some noise about his partnership with Prime and then he pretty much never played
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Drop DRG, and then bring in a whole bunch of other players? Why? DRG is the face of MVP.
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On August 01 2014 02:14 egernya wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:09 myxoma_strain wrote:On August 01 2014 02:07 LightSpectra wrote:On August 01 2014 02:06 myxoma_strain wrote:
I really don't see why MVP would drop all of its players, when that means the majority of the remaining free agents used to be theirs.
In other news, remember that deal the team made to convince DRG to join in the first place? I wonder if that still stands... that was SlayerS lol No, he turned Boxer down, it was the MVP coach who offered to pay for tutors if it didn't work out The coach has left for Samsung's LOL team a year ago.
And it had actually worked out for 3 years so yeah.
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On August 01 2014 02:18 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:16 myxoma_strain wrote:On August 01 2014 02:13 Shellshock wrote:
How much would Leenock even play for MVP? He played what? 1 game in a whole round for Prime? He's always in Taiwan with his actual team. Is he? Seeing as he plays GSL and hasn't even attempted to qualify for TeSL I would be surprised if he didn't spend more time in Korea than Taiwan if he's not playing in TeSL this time then maybe he'll actually be around for proleague then. I just remember people making some noise about his partnership with Prime and then he pretty much never played
If I remember correctly people were complaining about him being benched, not him not being in the country
The qualifiers for the next season of TeSL haven't happened yet though, so it might change
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So glad to see korean teams investing in porleague.
gogo MVP!
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Okay, my tin foil hat is now on. NEW THEORY. KeSPA wasn't going to allow MVP in the next season of pro league, due to poor performance. They inform MVP, MVP responds by becoming a new team which features more overall fan favorites. MVP is allowed to remain in pro league.
That sounds pretty stupid to me. But, *takes tin foil hat off* - we should remember that these are KeSPA teams, now. KeSPA is very involved in these kinds of affairs. I feel like the particularly silent way in which this is being conducted, regarding all the details that are NOT being shared, further implicates the role of KeSPA in this.. which I feel I have failed to properly accredit/account for, so far. Did my second to least favorite organization in the world (westboro baptists #1) just shit all over my favorite team in the world?
*puts tin foil hat back on, grabs sword, leaves nerd cave*
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On August 01 2014 02:36 Lumi wrote:
Okay, my tin foil hat is now on. NEW THEORY. KeSPA wasn't going to allow MVP in the next season of pro league, due to poor performance. They inform MVP, MVP responds by becoming a new team which features more overall fan favorites. MVP is allowed to remain in pro league.
That sounds pretty stupid to me. But, *takes tin foil hat off* - we should remember that these are KeSPA teams, now. KeSPA is very involved in these kinds of affairs. Did my second to least favorite organization in the world (westboro baptists #1) just shit all over my favorite team in the world?
*puts tin foil hat back on, grabs sword, leaves nerd cave*
Not allow MVP to compete, but keep Prime?
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@mongmong I think all the former mvp players are gone but can't be 100% sure.. The article says that the former MVP players were tired of playing in proleague, but did not leave on bad terms or anything.
This is another statement who provided this post to us.
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I guess the new MVP will just be MVP in name only, minus a lot of the old iconic players and the old coach. It's not necessarily bad if they find good new homes, but MVP just isn't the same without DRG or Keen.
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On August 01 2014 02:37 myxoma_strain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:36 Lumi wrote:
Okay, my tin foil hat is now on. NEW THEORY. KeSPA wasn't going to allow MVP in the next season of pro league, due to poor performance. They inform MVP, MVP responds by becoming a new team which features more overall fan favorites. MVP is allowed to remain in pro league.
That sounds pretty stupid to me. But, *takes tin foil hat off* - we should remember that these are KeSPA teams, now. KeSPA is very involved in these kinds of affairs. Did my second to least favorite organization in the world (westboro baptists #1) just shit all over my favorite team in the world?
*puts tin foil hat back on, grabs sword, leaves nerd cave* Not allow MVP to compete, but keep Prime?
Yeah, that's the largest part of why that sounds stupid :D But I have a growing feeling that KeSPA is very involved in this. Not only are these things within the realm of their job criteria, I'm also noting the smooth transition of Byul into his new team. KeSPA sees to these kinds of things with individual players. They very plausibly, if not likely, saw to the finding of new homes for these players who will now be playing for MVP, too. Only, I don't think things would just so happen that, as MVP released their entire squad, with no plans for what to do next... KeSPA finds a full new team to supply them with. That's a little bit too much coincidence for me to overlook. And while I think it's actually rather obvious, normal, that KeSPA would be involved.. the extent to which they are, and exactly what is taking place.. remains a kept secret. I know that total transparency isn't exactly the golden standard for teams or other organizations, in our community or in others - but the fact that the dismissal of team MVP's roster, even, has been kept silent.. this seems like less transparency than we might typically expect. And I think about KeSPA, the kinds of people its members are, the way the organization rolls.. how this would be a fitting behavior for them.
Ahh, soo juicy. If I could just penetrate the fog in my crystal globe. Huuuuunnnnnnnghhhhhhh. *Stares wildly into it, resolute*
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You're late to the party, check OP
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We all know that a newly formed team with bundles of new players with no synergy will do absolutely shit in PL.
You can all expect MVP to fare just as bad (if not worse) than this PL season.
This is only to delay the inevitable team disbandment.
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On August 01 2014 02:52 Xiphos wrote:
We all know that a newly formed team with bundles of new players with no synergy will do absolutely shit in PL.
You can all expect MVP to fare just as bad (if not worse) than this PL season.
This is only to delay the inevitable team disbandment.
It's plausible, although, appreciating that logic, I'm still hesitant to completely discount a strong set of players. And some of them have been on IM together for a while. Something interesting to note, though. It's the ex ESF teams that are struggling in performance and dying as teams. And this rebuilt team is just a regathering of ex ESF players - including even the players they are partnering with for PL. Original KeSPA teams have now completely taken over the Korean scene. Out of the 32 players for next seasons Code S, only three are ex ESF. The rest are original KeSPA players.
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On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility.
You gotta believe
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Sad to see DRG leave MVP after over 3 years Hope MVP does well in PL regardless
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On August 01 2014 02:47 myxoma_strain wrote:You're late to the party, check OP
Meh he only beat me by a little bit 
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On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe
With this announcement, Prime is dead.
IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat.
Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.
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On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.
Startale is in.
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On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams.
How does this announcement mean Prime is dead?
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On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in.
With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material.
Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings.
What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs
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On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs
Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA. I don't know that it's really the end of the world if they 'can't compete'. But KeSPA may disagree.
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United States23455 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs
Apparently they are recruiting new players so I'm not sure. Life/Curious/Hack isn't the worst group in the world so if they get another they should be alright.
Also just because there are weaker teams doesn't mean they should form some super team just to have a shot at winning. You don't see Tampa Bay, Miami, and Jacksonville forming team Florida in the NFL just so they can make the playoffs.
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China6329 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs
Startale is recruiting atm, also if they want to get into PL, poaching the free agents is a very realistic move. Plus Axiom's Olimo was talking about IM's future (someone stated in the earlier pages I think), it looks good according to her.
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Wow, to be fair, i didn't expect the Korean scene to be that flexible and to be able to reconstitute itself one more time. But I'm glad this seems to be the case. It's sad that there wil be no more MVPDRG, though. Maybe a foreign team next? His english skills are pretty good!
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On August 01 2014 03:10 Lumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA.
Yeah those teams shouldn't exist either.
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United States23455 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:10 Lumi wrote:On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA. Yeah those teams shouldn't exist either.
Yeah because teams that were once bad never work their way up to being good over time. That never happens.
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I forgot that Startale was also actively recruiting, now, too. It could all make sense, simply. Or this could be a further sign that pressure is coming down on these straggling performers, by KeSPA.
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On August 01 2014 03:12 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:10 Lumi wrote:On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA. Yeah those teams shouldn't exist either. Yeah because teams that were once bad never work their way up to being good over time. That never happens.
No money = bad performance.
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AxiomDRG would be nice... probably won't happen though
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Belgica34432 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:14 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:12 Darkhorse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:10 Lumi wrote:On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA. Yeah those teams shouldn't exist either. Yeah because teams that were once bad never work their way up to being good over time. That never happens. No money = bad performance.
Should've told Maru that before he won OSL
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United States23455 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:15 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:14 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:12 Darkhorse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:10 Lumi wrote:On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
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If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA. Yeah those teams shouldn't exist either. Yeah because teams that were once bad never work their way up to being good over time. That never happens. No money = bad performance. Should've told Maru that before he won OSL
Total fluke. Rain's team has more money so 99 times out of 100 he wins
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Well DRG is gone. But with all these other players (not even including players outside the team just being mercs for MVP). MVP's overall roster is quite huge. At least they'll have a large in house practice roster.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs
Were you opposed to the existance of Airforce ACE in BW?
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@mongmong I think all the former mvp players are gone but can't be 100% sure.. The article says that the former MVP players were tired of playing in proleague, but did not leave on bad terms or anything.
Don't count on it yoshi xD!!!
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On August 01 2014 03:14 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:12 Darkhorse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:10 Lumi wrote:On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA. Yeah those teams shouldn't exist either. Yeah because teams that were once bad never work their way up to being good over time. That never happens. No money = bad performance.
I understand why you've got some decent abl fame with this kind of stupid reasonning.
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On August 01 2014 03:19 SNSeigifried wrote:
@mongmong I think all the former mvp players are gone but can't be 100% sure.. The article says that the former MVP players were tired of playing in proleague, but did not leave on bad terms or anything.
Don't count on it yoshi xD!!!
Didn't notice that myself, but if that's the case. Then it does make sense. No matter how you look at it, if ALL their former players left, that can't be good. I can see some leaving, but all?
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i would think DRG left because he didn't want to paly for MVP anymore. if it was a performance issue, well, DRG is easily better than every single newcomer MVP got here (was the only player from MVP to make it to code s).
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:27 Tanzklaue wrote:
i would think DRG left because he didn't want to paly for MVP anymore. if it was a performance issue, well, DRG is easily better than every single newcomer MVP got here (was the only player from MVP to make it to code s).
Symbol, Seed and HerO are probably comparable overall. DRG isn't the one-and-only team league bonjwa any more, nor does he have the individual league results to back up such a decision. Hopefully he has something else lined up
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DRG is at least still making Code S. I don't see how a player like Seed who wasn't able to make it past Code A in like over a year is comparable. Symbol yes. HerO has been really hit or miss ever since winning IEM
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DRG can do whatever he wants, really. One of the most desirable players in every way. He sometimes streams, he loves going to foreigner tournaments, he's super personable and has a huge fan following, and he has a strong history of wins (code s, mlg, dreamhack, maybe more) and while he doesn't dominate as he used to, he's still a very relevant player. One of the players who has been in code s the most seasons, period. I've been tweeting at him for a while to try to encourage him to move in with Polt and Violet
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:10 digmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs Startale is recruiting atm, also if they want to get into PL, poaching the free agents is a very realistic move. Plus Axiom's Olimo was talking about IM's future (someone stated in the earlier pages I think), it looks good according to her.
They still have Pet, Panic and can get Curious back to Korea because he hadn't qualified for WCS America anyway.
And it's without new recruits.
It's not like people were arguing hard against AirForce ACE in BW days, so it's ok.
MVP will be ok, if Proleague doesn't change format back to bo7, you have to have 2-3 stable players and considering that they're having HerO, Seed, Leenock, LosirA, Symbol and YongHwa already + it's not confirmed that Super, Billowy and guys like Swagger left the team.
On the other hand, considering that they left because they were tired because of SPL, will be interesting to what foreign team do they go and if they go there at all.
Compare it with Prime last season who had 1,5 players until MKP came back and still were getting wins and just think about how volatile is bo5 in teamleagues.
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Wow, both Symbol, Yongwha and Kaghosira! MVP's my full support for the next pro league
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where are the "Liquid'DRG" posts?
or is that far too obvious
so mvp is basically IM but without coach kang. right?
that's a good thing isn't it, at least when it comes to team league performance
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Guess I'm back to not having a favorite team
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United States97276 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:46 Oboeman wrote:
where are the "Liquid'DRG" posts?
or is that far too obvious
so mvp is basically IM but without coach kang. right?
that's a good thing isn't it, at least when it comes to team league performance
DRGPrime
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Those guys + DRG/Super is a decent team. Without them, they're still going to finish in the cellar. They did this and lost the one person (DRG) that made people like them.
As far as DRG goes, I don't think he really cares about PL. I think he just wants to win tournaments and make money before he goes to military. He can do whatever he wants, and if he stays motivated, will be fine. I hope he keeps playing Code S though and doesn't move to WCS AM or EU unless he joins Liquid 
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On August 01 2014 03:19 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs Were you opposed to the existance of Airforce ACE in BW?
Yeah and look where they are now.
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United States23455 Posts
Surprised that the players given reason was that they don't want to play in Proleague anymore
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On August 01 2014 03:19 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:14 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:12 Darkhorse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:11 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:10 Lumi wrote:On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:
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If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs Should be okay, though. Think about all the walk-over teams in the NFL or the NBA. Yeah those teams shouldn't exist either. Yeah because teams that were once bad never work their way up to being good over time. That never happens. No money = bad performance. I understand why you've got some decent abl fame with this kind of stupid reasonning.
You are the one that's stupid to think that money doesn't give anyone motivation.
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On August 01 2014 03:54 Darkhorse wrote:
Surprised that the players given reason was that they don't want to play in Proleague anymore
That means they're ALL going to look for foreign teams no? I mean there's no Korean teams left that don't play in proleague besides Axiom and aren't they at capacity at their house?
Well all who aren't just retiring
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:54 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:19 Zealously wrote:On August 01 2014 03:08 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 03:03 digmouse wrote:On August 01 2014 03:01 Xiphos wrote:On August 01 2014 02:55 LongShot27 wrote:On July 31 2014 23:37 Zealously wrote:On July 31 2014 23:33 LongShot27 wrote:
This gives us 9 teams for pro-league next season currently. Lets hope they make it an even 10. If IM somehow miracle their way out of disbanding (which seems unlikely given that they only have 1 player in Lucky, but there have been some rumors), I don't think it would be impossible for there to be a tenth team. It could either involve a lot of convincing TotalBiscuit or other foreign teams joining together, sure, but it's still a possibility. You gotta believe With this announcement, Prime is dead. IM only have 1 player in Lucky for their SC2 squat. Unless those two teams decide to rebuild their squat, then PL is down to 6 teams. Startale is in. With what lineup? Life + Hack won't cut it for PL material. Listen, as much as having more teams is good. We got to be realistic here. There is little chance that ST + MVP can perform up to par with CJ, Khan, T1, Rolster, and Green Wings. What the former ESF teams should do is to come together, formulate one team with the best leftover players in order to even have a chance at reaching the playoff. That will improve the level of the games and competition. Instead we get sacrificial lambs Were you opposed to the existance of Airforce ACE in BW? Yeah and look where they are now.
Same place MBC and Oz are?
I mean come on, if the team still has funds and players to compete, why should they be kicked out and told "you suck, we don't want you in our league"? One team will always be last in every tournament, that doesn't mean they'll go 0-28 and bring absolutely no entertainment or value to the league. It's very counterproductive to give teams the boot because they "might not be good enough". Such a mindset prevents improvement and limits exposure, guaranteeing that they'll disband eventually.
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So the news is a bad one after all. T.T
DRG shouldn't have a problem if he wants to keep playing, if not a KeSPA team for sure a foreign team would like to have him.
Even if he isn't even close to the player that he was, there is enough foreigner fans that grew up in sc2 with him that it would be worth the semi contract (HerO, Seed, ect that live in Korea while participating in foreign tournaments mainly).
I really hope the best for Keen, Super, ect. While they were clearly a class below the top KeSPA players in Proleague, they are for sure on the level with top foreigners.
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On August 01 2014 03:54 Darkhorse wrote:
Surprised that the players given reason was that they don't want to play in Proleague anymore
proleague is hard and it doesn't pay off if they can't reach the play offs everytime.
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On August 01 2014 04:06 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:54 Darkhorse wrote:
Surprised that the players given reason was that they don't want to play in Proleague anymore proleague is hard and it doesn't pay off if they can't reach the play offs everytime.
I think it is more about traveling.
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On August 01 2014 04:11 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:06 Tanzklaue wrote:On August 01 2014 03:54 Darkhorse wrote:
Surprised that the players given reason was that they don't want to play in Proleague anymore proleague is hard and it doesn't pay off if they can't reach the play offs everytime. I think it is more about traveling.
Especially for a player like DRG, who went to almost every MLG before WoL release boom faded off.
He misses those big ass checks.
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I can see pretty much every player that was on MVP besides DRG retiring. It's not too much of a stretch. Super might attempt to find a new team, KeeN is one of my favorite players, but he has not had any sort of stellar results lately.
Swagger will probably retire or become a full time coach, if possible.
For guys like aLive or hyvaa, who just joined the team only to presumably get the boot, this sucks and is probably very disheartening. Beyond that... Sniper, despite being a GSL Champ doesn't really have much going for him, Tails, Billowy... I dunno, I can see most of them retiring.
Not that I want it to happen
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On August 01 2014 04:35 DinosaurJones wrote:I can see pretty much every player that was on MVP besides DRG retiring. It's not too much of a stretch. Super might attempt to find a new team, KeeN is one of my favorite players, but he has not had any sort of stellar results lately. Swagger will probably retire or become a full time coach, if possible. For guys like aLive or hyvaa, who just joined the team only to presumably get the boot, this sucks and is probably very disheartening. Beyond that... Sniper, despite being a GSL Champ doesn't really have much going for him, Tails, Billowy... I dunno, I can see most of them retiring. Not that I want it to happen
Sniper should obviously join Axiom
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On August 01 2014 04:40 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:35 DinosaurJones wrote:I can see pretty much every player that was on MVP besides DRG retiring. It's not too much of a stretch. Super might attempt to find a new team, KeeN is one of my favorite players, but he has not had any sort of stellar results lately. Swagger will probably retire or become a full time coach, if possible. For guys like aLive or hyvaa, who just joined the team only to presumably get the boot, this sucks and is probably very disheartening. Beyond that... Sniper, despite being a GSL Champ doesn't really have much going for him, Tails, Billowy... I dunno, I can see most of them retiring. Not that I want it to happen Sniper should obviously join Axiom
I'm sure Ryung would love that!
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United States97276 Posts
I just realized Swagger will be teamless. Noooooo
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I guess Choya is coming out of retirement for the 17th time
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I think Acer should pick up DRG. Would be a perfect fit, I guess.
I'm not sure why, but I like the change. The old MVP member seemed to underperform since quite a while. So maybe a change and a fresh start will turn out to be better for everyone of them
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A better word for it than "rebuilding" is restarting.
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Canada16217 Posts
DRG not on MVP? wow
On August 01 2014 03:46 Oboeman wrote:
where are the "Liquid'DRG" posts?
or is that far too obvious
so mvp is basically IM but without coach kang. right?
that's a good thing isn't it, at least when it comes to team league performance
one can dream
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Acer DRG would be awesome. Although what that team really needs is a good protoss, or two. Still, Acer is kind of my second favorite team, even though it's mostly for scarlett/nerchio love (but i respect mma and inno.) Acer DRG would definitely convert me into a full-on Acer fan.
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On August 01 2014 04:44 Dodgin wrote:
I guess Choya is coming out of retirement for the 17th time
Isn't this more like going into retirement? Since he was a player before this and now a coach?
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On August 01 2014 05:29 Rocket-Bear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:44 Dodgin wrote:
I guess Choya is coming out of retirement for the 17th time Isn't this more like going into retirement? Since he was a player before this and now a coach?
That's what he wants you to think.
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Nice! I'm happy to see MVP rebuilding and not just completely closing its doors, this is good news! Also a partnership with HerO...this is good
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Thanks for that, Seig. Not 'valid' enough to use as an announcement, I think.. but it works for me.
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I definitely have all of the mixed feelings about this
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Oh man, the whole team? That's messed up. I worry for aLive, hyvaa, KeeN and Sniper. They probably don't have team lining up to recruit them. Im not worried for DRG or Super, they have the results behind them to find a team pretty easily, but aLive hasn't done well in anything lately, Sniper hasn't participated in a premier tournament in 2014 (besides proleague and qualifiers), hyvaa had enough trouble getting a team when STX Soul died and KeeN has been a Ro32 player for a long, long time.
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On August 01 2014 05:58 Josh_Video wrote:
Oh man, the whole team? That's messed up. I worry for aLive, hyvaa, KeeN and Sniper. They probably don't have team lining up to recruit them. Im not worried for DRG or Super, they have the results behind them to find a team pretty easily, but aLive hasn't done well in anything lately, Sniper hasn't participated in a premier tournament in 2014 (besides proleague and qualifiers), hyvaa had enough trouble getting a team when STX Soul died and KeeN has been a Ro32 player for a long, long time.
You forgot Dream D:
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Just what I'd expect from SwagGod and Cowboy Choya
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So MVP is definitely going to have to pick up more players, but how many free agents are left? Trap, squirtle, journey, B4 and ragnarok are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head
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On August 01 2014 04:11 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 04:06 Tanzklaue wrote:On August 01 2014 03:54 Darkhorse wrote:
Surprised that the players given reason was that they don't want to play in Proleague anymore proleague is hard and it doesn't pay off if they can't reach the play offs everytime. I think it is more about traveling.
Flying around the World to Tournaments costs thousands of Euro, which you barely make if you reach top 4.
None of these players is currently top4 guarantee material.
Playing in PL does at least give them exposure and a place to play SC2.
I can't under any way understand them leaving that for "foreign" tournaments.
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On August 01 2014 05:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:DRG not on MVP? wow Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 03:46 Oboeman wrote:
where are the "Liquid'DRG" posts?
or is that far too obvious
so mvp is basically IM but without coach kang. right?
that's a good thing isn't it, at least when it comes to team league performance one can dream
Fun thing would be now for IM to get all the ex MVP members =))
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On August 01 2014 06:03 stuchiu wrote:
Just what I'd expect from SwagGod and Cowboy Choya
Is the "Swaggod" and "faggot" term on purpose? I'm not used to hearing such heavy words from you.
On August 01 2014 06:06 Darkthorn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 05:08 NovemberstOrm wrote:DRG not on MVP? wow On August 01 2014 03:46 Oboeman wrote:
where are the "Liquid'DRG" posts?
or is that far too obvious
so mvp is basically IM but without coach kang. right?
that's a good thing isn't it, at least when it comes to team league performance one can dream Fun thing would be now for IM to get all the ex MVP members =))
:D
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Keen will be tweeting later about this once he finishes his redbull run if this wasn't enough xD
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:11 stuchiu wrote:
nope, not on purpose.
So, have you found ByuN yet in those Chinese mountains?
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I assume it's ok to say this (because DRG told me and why would he tell me of all people f I couldnt say it lol.)
DRG said he wanted to leave MVP.
Also said hes really excited to start playing for a new team. Hopefully this is good motivation for him
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United States23455 Posts
On August 01 2014 05:58 Josh_Video wrote:
Oh man, the whole team? That's messed up. I worry for aLive, hyvaa, KeeN and Sniper. They probably don't have team lining up to recruit them. Im not worried for DRG or Super, they have the results behind them to find a team pretty easily, but aLive hasn't done well in anything lately, Sniper hasn't participated in a premier tournament in 2014 (besides proleague and qualifiers), hyvaa had enough trouble getting a team when STX Soul died and KeeN has been a Ro32 player for a long, long time.
aLive beat MKP and qualified for Code A! D:
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DRG??? I feel so wrong now... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE BAMBOO ZERG?!
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:14 Lorning wrote:So, have you found ByuN yet in those Chinese mountains?
I was given false intel. I thought Byun was up here. Instead I found ZenexCutter practicing marrtial arts to take down the Rain Kespa regime, right before he was gunned down by Rain looking for Byun. It was crazy.
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Since speculation is a tradition of these threads, I'd like to put out my prediction that JYP will be joining MVP. He was a solid pick for EGTL, Spectre seems to have crashed and I expect MVP will have a better offer than prime or startale
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On August 01 2014 06:19 Boucot wrote:+ Show Spoiler +https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/494954757472002048
He told me, less than an hour ago, " Im so exciting that I can restart from another team now."
I don't see DRG retiring while he's still making Code S every season (and just qualified for Red Bull)
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:18 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 06:14 Lorning wrote:On August 01 2014 06:11 stuchiu wrote:
nope, not on purpose. So, have you found ByuN yet in those Chinese mountains? I was given false intel. I thought Byun was up here. Instead I found ZenexCutter practicing marrtial arts to take down the Rain Kespa regime, right before he was gunned down by Rain looking for Byun. It was crazy.
Cutter nooo ;;;
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your Country52797 Posts
On August 01 2014 06:34 Oiri wrote:
Alliance'DongRaeGu
That would be silly.
Pulling for IM or ST personally.
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On August 01 2014 06:36 The_Templar wrote:That would be silly. Pulling for IM or ST personally.
If really retiring soon i think he'll join a foreign team for a short period, like Bomber is doing, before going to the army.
(btw i didnt count the fact that Alliance only recruits swed players basically lol )
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I'd say IM. That would corroborate the "very good news" coming from IM that olimoley talked about in the Axiom AMA.
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MVP.Mvp in an MVP interview. It's going to happen.
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On August 01 2014 07:32 rotta wrote:
MVP.Mvp in an MVP interview. It's going to happen.
As good as that would be I
A. think MVP will just be playing under GEM
B. wouldn't be shocked if he changed his ID if he joined
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On August 01 2014 06:46 Oiri wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 06:36 The_Templar wrote:On August 01 2014 06:34 Oiri wrote:
Alliance'DongRaeGu That would be silly. Pulling for IM or ST personally. If really retiring soon i think he'll join a foreign team for a short period, like Bomber is doing, before going to the army. (btw i didnt count the fact that Alliance only recruits swed players basically lol )
I'm pretty sure that is going to be the case.
Big name even in the foreign scene+ still good enough to crush foreign face while being respectable in Korea= a contract that means paid travel to most open major events while being able to do train however you want to in any environment.
Bomber, Polt, MC, and viOLet all got similar deals.
I am really hoping that would be the case.
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I wonder if Mvp will join team MVP. I mean, it's practically named after him.
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On August 01 2014 06:16 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 05:58 Josh_Video wrote:
Oh man, the whole team? That's messed up. I worry for aLive, hyvaa, KeeN and Sniper. They probably don't have team lining up to recruit them. Im not worried for DRG or Super, they have the results behind them to find a team pretty easily, but aLive hasn't done well in anything lately, Sniper hasn't participated in a premier tournament in 2014 (besides proleague and qualifiers), hyvaa had enough trouble getting a team when STX Soul died and KeeN has been a Ro32 player for a long, long time. aLive beat MKP and qualified for Code A! D:
I mean, I love aLive, but a fringe Code A/S who doesn't want to play in Proleague? I don't see Korean teams grabbing him, and he doesn't have much stardom or personality, so unless his results pick up, I don't know about foreign teams either.
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On August 01 2014 09:30 GumBa wrote:
Acer.DRG pls
Acer needs a full time toss, I wanted Dear, but he found a team
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omg !! imagine Axium in Proleague!!!
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 01 2014 09:32 Josh_Video wrote:Acer needs a full time toss, I wanted Dear, but he found a team
Acer.DRG and Acer.Trap then
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You guys.. predicting who will join MVP is silly. They've already completed the full team, for pro league. You're breaking my mind.
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On August 01 2014 09:36 Lumi wrote:
You guys.. predicting who will join MVP is silly. They've already completed the full team, for pro league. You're breaking my mind.
Maybe they are having fun?
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On August 01 2014 09:35 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 09:32 Josh_Video wrote:On August 01 2014 09:30 GumBa wrote:
Acer.DRG pls Acer needs a full time toss, I wanted Dear, but he found a team Acer.DRG and Acer.Trap then
I'd be down for Acer.Trap. That would be fun. We'd have 2/5 of the core of STX (RIP).
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There will be 8 teams like before.. I would like to dream some more, too, but it won't happen that IM is going to pick up 8 players now.
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On August 01 2014 09:38 Josh_Video wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 09:35 GumBa wrote:On August 01 2014 09:32 Josh_Video wrote:On August 01 2014 09:30 GumBa wrote:
Acer.DRG pls Acer needs a full time toss, I wanted Dear, but he found a team Acer.DRG and Acer.Trap then I'd be down for Acer.Trap. That would be fun. We'd have 2/5 of the core of STX (RIP).
I wanted Dear but I can live with Trap. Srsly if those two come I will buy an acer hoodie wit my polo
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On August 01 2014 09:42 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 09:38 Josh_Video wrote:On August 01 2014 09:35 GumBa wrote:On August 01 2014 09:32 Josh_Video wrote:On August 01 2014 09:30 GumBa wrote:
Acer.DRG pls Acer needs a full time toss, I wanted Dear, but he found a team Acer.DRG and Acer.Trap then I'd be down for Acer.Trap. That would be fun. We'd have 2/5 of the core of STX (RIP). I wanted Dear but I can live with Trap. Srsly if those two come I will buy an acer hoodie wit my polo
The Acer hoodies are so expensive, I want one, but $80? Jesus man.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On August 01 2014 09:43 Josh_Video wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 09:42 GumBa wrote:On August 01 2014 09:38 Josh_Video wrote:On August 01 2014 09:35 GumBa wrote:On August 01 2014 09:32 Josh_Video wrote:On August 01 2014 09:30 GumBa wrote:
Acer.DRG pls Acer needs a full time toss, I wanted Dear, but he found a team Acer.DRG and Acer.Trap then I'd be down for Acer.Trap. That would be fun. We'd have 2/5 of the core of STX (RIP). I wanted Dear but I can live with Trap. Srsly if those two come I will buy an acer hoodie wit my polo The Acer hoodies are so expensive, I want one, but $80? Jesus man.
I know D:
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this is really sad. I just don't see the point of kicking everyone, especially when the people you're bringing in aren't appreciably better or anything. DRG is still good and is about as marketable as SC2 players get, and Super was their ace and is good enough to get a regular spot in almost any team. but beyond that, this is devastating for the lesser players on the team, who will have a really hard time finding anywhere to go.
at least symbol finally has a team again.
I wonder what kind of money MVP has? people forget that they sold their LoL teams to Samsung for 500k or whatever that was (and as an aside, whatever they got probably wasn't enough. at the time Ozone was a top tier team in a slump and Blue was irrelevant. Right now, those are the two best LoL teams in the world.)
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no partnerships please tired of it.
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On August 01 2014 10:25 StarStruck wrote:
no partnerships please tired of it.
it's either partnerships or 3 airforce ace's, which would you rather have?
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On August 01 2014 10:20 negativedge wrote:
this is really sad. I just don't see the point of kicking everyone, especially when the people you're bringing in aren't appreciably better or anything. DRG is still good and is about as marketable as SC2 players get, and Super was their ace and is good enough to get a regular spot in almost any team. but beyond that, this is devastating for the lesser players on the team, who will have a really hard time finding anywhere to go.
at least symbol finally has a team again.
I wonder what kind of money MVP has? people forget that they sold their LoL teams to Samsung for 500k or whatever that was (and as an aside, whatever they got probably wasn't enough. at the time Ozone was a top tier team in a slump and Blue was irrelevant. Right now, those are the two best LoL teams in the world.)
When they sold White, they weren't slumping, dade entered retard mode right after Samsung purchased them and, technically, Blue wasn't that irrelevant, after all they were NLB champions rofl.
Jokes aside, i'm pretty sure that MVP won't stop on those guys and will get some other teamless Code A/S players like Ragnarok and if suddenly wild MVP.Trap appears, i won't be surprised at all.
On August 01 2014 10:25 StarStruck wrote:
no partnerships please tired of it.
Dead team is better, right?
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On August 01 2014 07:32 rotta wrote:
MVP.Mvp in an MVP interview. It's going to happen.
You got it wrong..he's changing name to Im.MVP
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i wanna know where DRG goes! hopefully to a kespa team ^_^
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At least we know that MVP will most likely be stable enough to play in Proleague next season, as will the five original KeSPA teams. Now the question is, what will happen to IM and Prime?
Obviously, IM is in a big upheaval. It's uncertain if they will disband, drop out of Proleague, or go through a rebuilding phase similar to what MVP seems to be going through. We haven't heard much out of Prime either. They've always seemed to be the poorest and worst performing of the Proleague teams, and one can only wonder if they can still survive.
Will Proleague be down to 6 or 7 teams? Will Startale or some foreign team or coalition join the season? Or will it all work out so that the same teams are playing next season?
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LOSIRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
So glad he joined a team again
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On August 01 2014 12:36 eviltomahawk wrote:
At least we know that MVP will most likely be stable enough to play in Proleague next season, as will the five original KeSPA teams. Now the question is, what will happen to IM and Prime?
Obviously, IM is in a big upheaval. It's uncertain if they will disband, drop out of Proleague, or go through a rebuilding phase similar to what MVP seems to be going through. We haven't heard much out of Prime either. They've always seemed to be the poorest and worst performing of the Proleague teams, and one can only wonder if they can still survive.
Will Proleague be down to 6 or 7 teams? Will Startale or some foreign team or coalition join the season? Or will it all work out so that the same teams are playing next season?
Well, Startale is looking to join Proleague, and I doubt Prime is going to disband, IM... well... who knows. MVP will be in I guess, but will they really? With a whole new roster, who even knows, they could go out and lose every single match.
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Sad for DRG. BUT Seed in Proleague?!
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Sorry. I just can't contain my excitement! :D
So many good SC2 news today! :D
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I hope we see Select in proleague.
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On August 01 2014 06:20 TommyP wrote:He told me, less than an hour ago, " Im so exciting that I can restart from another team now." I don't see DRG retiring while he's still making Code S every season (and just qualified for Red Bull)
Did he said anything about the former MVP players? like Alive. Super etc..
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Glad Losira finally got picked up. Saw him streaming a while back and wondered what he was up to.
Strange that MVP would dump everyone at once.. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out next year.
KT.DRG pls.
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As long as some foreign team steps in and rescues DRG from KeSPA, I'll be okay with this. Not happy, since I liked MVP's squad, but okay.
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KT and DRG are only a match on paper. He has way too much joy in life to fit into the big bore that is KT.
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Dunno how do u guys consider SPL to have more (or less) than 8 teams. It's obvious that ST is replacing IM (its dead just accept it), and that's it. No axiom/acer/eg-tl thing will be allowed.
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Didn't Leenock have a partnership with Prime first? He never played for Prime regardless. Which is sad because with MKP, Creator, SalvatioN a good zerg like Leenock could have made a surprisingly deep team which surely could surprise. IMO it would be good if teams would at least have a bit more of a fair playing field by all having at least 4 core players.
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Will it finally happen? Will Mvp join Team MVP??
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This is amazing! I kinda wish DRG Super and KeeN, or at least 1 of the 3 would stay in MVP though. To me, they made MVP, so without them its not really MVP.
The new roster gets me so excited though! I like the new MVP so much more!
Also great news for ByuL and CJ as well as Dear and Samsung.
Dear NEEDS to pick up his game though. Enough with this lackluster play he's been showing lately (comparatively speaking). Samsung can really use the help of a powerhouse Dear.
RorO Stork Dear JangBi! I'm so excited!!!!!!!!
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On August 01 2014 18:21 Shinta) wrote:
RorO Stork Dear JangBi! I'm so excited!!!!!!!!
erm.. JangBi retired ages ago
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So Losira at Proleague? :Q__
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well at least some good news, so sad news about MKP just came right after
finally losira comback, HYPE!
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so, wait, which teams do we have now:
CJ, T1, KT, JA, Khan, MVP, Prime and ST? That's 8, it s good isn't it?
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On August 01 2014 17:34 insitelol wrote:
Dunno how do u guys consider SPL to have more (or less) than 8 teams. It's obvious that ST is replacing IM (its dead just accept it), and that's it. No axiom/acer/eg-tl thing will be allowed.
Sources?
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On August 01 2014 09:30 GumBa wrote:
Acer.DRG pls
Oh my god...
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Already really unimpressed at how the full release of MVP players was not properly announced and they actually attempted to do something good for the image of the new team by very noticeably being silent about that. I am soooo interested to find out where DRG is going, and also everyone else. Damn.
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France7248 Posts
On July 31 2014 23:29 Saser wrote:
EDIT 4: It has been confirmed that all former MVP players are no longer on the team.
where?
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Undo my edits if he has no source.
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I g2g get ready got doctor appointment.
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France1887 Posts
Please just wait for a reliable source :| There's no benefit in rushing an edit on Liquipedia, undoing things is much more bothersome than waiting to do them properly.
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Keen Left , so i think the others will folow too :o3
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On August 01 2014 21:30 Cricketer12 wrote:Oh my god...
Acer.DRG pls
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On August 02 2014 05:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 21:30 Cricketer12 wrote:On August 01 2014 09:30 GumBa wrote:
Acer.DRG pls Oh my god... Acer.DRG pls
Acer.DRG pls
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Symbol to MVP?
Be still, my foolish heart ...
DongRaeGu leaving MVP?
:-(
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Korea (South)227 Posts
Sad to see that impatient owners have completely ripped out the true heart of MVP. True, the rebuilding was something that was necessary to see the team become better results wise, but to remove ALL the old timers and the newcomers in the team? Harsh. Now, all the squad is teamless. Alive, Hyvaa, DRG, Super, Swagger, Billowy, Sniper, Dream, Keen.....
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On August 02 2014 06:02 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 05:37 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On August 01 2014 21:30 Cricketer12 wrote:On August 01 2014 09:30 GumBa wrote:
Acer.DRG pls Oh my god... Acer.DRG pls Acer.DRG pls
EG.DRG pls
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On August 02 2014 12:36 Orlok wrote:Sad to see that impatient owners have completely ripped out the true heart of MVP. True, the rebuilding was something that was necessary to see the team become better results wise, but to remove ALL the old timers and the newcomers in the team? Harsh. Now, all the squad is teamless. Alive, Hyvaa, DRG, Super, Swagger, Billowy, Sniper, Dream, Keen.....
I feel even worse for alive and Hyvaa who joined the team not that long ago, presumably to bolster the team for proleague, and now they have been given the boot.
EDIT: plus this is the second time this has happened to alive now.
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On August 02 2014 12:55 DinosaurJones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 12:36 Orlok wrote:Sad to see that impatient owners have completely ripped out the true heart of MVP. True, the rebuilding was something that was necessary to see the team become better results wise, but to remove ALL the old timers and the newcomers in the team? Harsh. Now, all the squad is teamless. Alive, Hyvaa, DRG, Super, Swagger, Billowy, Sniper, Dream, Keen..... I feel even worse for alive and Hyvaa who joined the team not that long ago, presumably to bolster the team for proleague, and now they have been given the boot. EDIT: plus this is the second time this has happened to alive now.
Yeah aLive should be getting used to being picked up for proleague then dumped right away TT
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On August 02 2014 12:36 Orlok wrote:Sad to see that impatient owners have completely ripped out the true heart of MVP. True, the rebuilding was something that was necessary to see the team become better results wise, but to remove ALL the old timers and the newcomers in the team? Harsh. Now, all the squad is teamless. Alive, Hyvaa, DRG, Super, Swagger, Billowy, Sniper, Dream, Keen.....
and Tails and Shine. It is SUPER sad. But I'm excited to see where they will go.
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On August 02 2014 14:10 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 12:55 DinosaurJones wrote:On August 02 2014 12:36 Orlok wrote:Sad to see that impatient owners have completely ripped out the true heart of MVP. True, the rebuilding was something that was necessary to see the team become better results wise, but to remove ALL the old timers and the newcomers in the team? Harsh. Now, all the squad is teamless. Alive, Hyvaa, DRG, Super, Swagger, Billowy, Sniper, Dream, Keen..... I feel even worse for alive and Hyvaa who joined the team not that long ago, presumably to bolster the team for proleague, and now they have been given the boot. EDIT: plus this is the second time this has happened to alive now. Yeah aLive should be getting used to being picked up for proleague then dumped right away TT
Alive is one of my all time favourite player. It make me sad to see him being kicked in the face every time. Seriously, if I had the budget to build a team, he probably would be my n1 pick up D:
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On August 02 2014 12:55 DinosaurJones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 12:36 Orlok wrote:Sad to see that impatient owners have completely ripped out the true heart of MVP. True, the rebuilding was something that was necessary to see the team become better results wise, but to remove ALL the old timers and the newcomers in the team? Harsh. Now, all the squad is teamless. Alive, Hyvaa, DRG, Super, Swagger, Billowy, Sniper, Dream, Keen..... I feel even worse for alive and Hyvaa who joined the team not that long ago, presumably to bolster the team for proleague, and now they have been given the boot. EDIT: plus this is the second time this has happened to alive now.
Its the third time its happened to hyvaa, all 3 teams he's played for have shut down. I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire either, given his poor play recently.
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at least, Sniper is out, amirite, guys? Guys?
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Would be nice to see all the old teams merge together to actually be able to give the kespa teams a real fight, rather than die off slowly.
I'm sure if MVP/IM/Prime/etcetcetc all came together, they could make a damn strong team.
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All former players left? What's happening behind the curtains?
On August 02 2014 12:36 Orlok wrote:Sad to see that impatient owners have completely ripped out the true heart of MVP. True, the rebuilding was something that was necessary to see the team become better results wise, but to remove ALL the old timers and the newcomers in the team? Harsh. Now, all the squad is teamless. Alive, Hyvaa, DRG, Super, Swagger, Billowy, Sniper, Dream, Keen.....
Oh, man, I hope hyvaa isn't going to retire. Want to see Keen find a team too
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So interested what is happening the next 2-3 Weeks to the former MVP and IM players, and also MarineKing.
Gonna be super interesting but i am also a bit scared about the outcome of everything!
Hope its going well!
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good news gone bad, after all. at least super and drg could've stayed.
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On August 02 2014 16:55 Masq wrote:
Would be nice to see all the old teams merge together to actually be able to give the kespa teams a real fight, rather than die off slowly.
I'm sure if MVP/IM/Prime/etcetcetc all came together, they could make a damn strong team.
Maybe, KeSPA has their hand in all of this business, with all of these teams, so things like that aren't as open to choice as they would be in a pre-KeSPA time. And since the MVP players didn't want to do PL (so go reports) I can see KeSPA being like, well, you're fucked because we're KeSPA and if you're going to be a part of us, you're also going to play in pro league.
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I tweeted to the SC2 MVP twitter..
..and they just now favorited it. Hope this means we'll get some actual information on this story soon.
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EPT
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