EPTSad to see elfi being teamless again. Hopefully he finds a new team soon.
elfi and Vega Squadron part ways
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DARKING
Mexico675 Posts
Sad to see elfi being teamless again. Hopefully he finds a new team soon.
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HighArT
Croatia189 Posts
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
We have no idea about how much Elfi got, but he didn t live up to his standarts. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7157 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
Maybe elfi asked too much money. Finland is one of the most expensive countries in europe. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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rotta
5598 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12383 Posts
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RealAncestor
Romania25 Posts
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ReaperSC2
Finland18 Posts
On July 25 2014 20:48 JustPassingBy wrote: Didn't they just pick him up four months ago? It wasn't even half a year! :o Yeah, talk about investing into a player... Unless Elfi asked for more money (which I doubt) then I really don't approve of such flash contracts. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
edit: seriously. keeping firecake for such a long time into such a stupid post/kick? i didn't have too much respect for Vega before, but now - i can just lol at them. | ||
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gneGne
Netherlands697 Posts
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Creager
Germany1923 Posts
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Vete
Germany190 Posts
On July 25 2014 22:56 rotta wrote: Back to Acer? He is Protoss you know... | ||
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
On July 25 2014 23:04 Nebuchad wrote: Still it's a bit blunt to say it this way... Atleast it's honest. I'd rather have that than the generic PR statements no sane person believes in anyway. | ||
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HighArT
Croatia189 Posts
We are not big team, obviously we can't afford so expensive players like elfi to underperform and not achieve at least some goals that we set up together. Maybe bigger teams can, we can't. Yes, elfi was probably our best player (togehter with LZ), but you must be aware that we have different expectations from different players, aswell they have different contracts with salary and with different benefits, which are competent with their skill level, results and other stuff. Otherwise elfi is great guy, hard working, and very friendly, and after all he understands our situation and our need to make this move that we made well, so i don't see such need for inappropriate comments or hatred towards us. It is just business and financial decision from our side, from which point we must move on. | ||
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LaaLaaLeevi
200 Posts
On July 26 2014 00:01 HighArT wrote: Otherwise elfi is great guy, hard working, and very friendly, and after all he understands our situation and our need to make this move that we made well, so i don't see such need for inappropriate comments or hatred towards us. You have to realise that we are talking about a God here. | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
Thats just called bad business | ||
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Enstein
Russian Federation134 Posts
 elfi did extremely poorly in WCS qualifiers falling to CoolTea in RO64, Monty in RO64, StarNaN in RO16 and  Namshar in RO16. Still sad news. | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12383 Posts
On July 25 2014 23:30 KaiserJohan wrote: Atleast it's honest. I'd rather have that than the generic PR statements no sane person believes in anyway. I disagree, it's not like elfi asked them for a work certificate or anything, there is no reason to comment on his performance like that. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45244 Posts
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FuRRie
Belgium815 Posts
Unlike other posts when players leave teams with random statements that mean nothing. At least this makes it clear elfi didn't live up to expectations. | ||
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QCD
Suriname81 Posts
On July 26 2014 00:01 HighArT wrote: First of all, this departure was on mutual agreement. Of course we talked with him about this, and he was aware that something like this could happened simply because when we signed him we did talk to him and made him clear what we expect from him in future events and tournaments, esspeccialy WCS. We are not big team, obviously we can't afford so expensive players like elfi to underperform and not achieve at least some goals that we set up together. Maybe bigger teams can, we can't. Yes, elfi was probably our best player (togehter with LZ), but you must be aware that we have different expectations from different players, aswell they have different contracts with salary and with different benefits, which are competent with their skill level, results and other stuff. Otherwise elfi is great guy, hard working, and very friendly, and after all he understands our situation and our need to make this move that we made well, so i don't see such need for inappropriate comments or hatred towards us. It is just business and financial decision from our side, from which point we must move on. Be that as it may, be careful about how you release news of releasing a player, when you do it this way, and for that reason it usually just always sounds bad. I agree with most on the matter anyhow. | ||
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orangeorange
134 Posts
On July 26 2014 00:01 HighArT wrote: First of all, this departure was on mutual agreement. Of course we talked with him about this, and he was aware that something like this could happened simply because when we signed him we did talk to him and made him clear what we expect from him in future events and tournaments, esspeccialy WCS. We are not big team, obviously we can't afford so expensive players like elfi to underperform and not achieve at least some goals that we set up together. Maybe bigger teams can, we can't. Yes, elfi was probably our best player (togehter with LZ), but you must be aware that we have different expectations from different players, aswell they have different contracts with salary and with different benefits, which are competent with their skill level, results and other stuff. Otherwise elfi is great guy, hard working, and very friendly, and after all he understands our situation and our need to make this move that we made well, so i don't see such need for inappropriate comments or hatred towards us. It is just business and financial decision from our side, from which point we must move on. A cleaned up version of a post like this would've been a much better way of announcing elfi's departure. | ||
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Creager
Germany1923 Posts
On July 26 2014 00:48 FuRRie wrote: Good that Vega squadron has the balls to say whats up. Unlike other posts when players leave teams with random statements that mean nothing. At least this makes it clear elfi didn't live up to expectations. While I agree to some degree, it's just bad PR for them as an esports team, because contracting a player for 4 months and releasing him after getting no results doesn't exactly make them attractive as employer as it puts players under severe pressure to perform really well in a very short period of time. It's understandable they can't keep him, if they can't afford paying him without getting their value out of him, but it's rather poor decision-making in the long term. | ||
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QCD
Suriname81 Posts
On July 26 2014 00:17 Thalandros wrote: The way it's put is incredibly unprofessional and offputting, makes you want to support the team less. Not a big fan of Elfi but come on. :p dont invest in a 'popular' player if you cant keep him when he doesnt win a major event Thats just called bad business This I also feel elfi needed more time, to show how really good he is. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On July 26 2014 00:06 LaaLaaLeevi wrote: You have to realise that we are talking about a God here. His last note worthy result was losing to idra in an IEM finals, 3 years ago. | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
On July 25 2014 23:05 ReaperSC2 wrote: Yeah, talk about investing into a player... Unless Elfi asked for more money (which I doubt) then I really don't approve of such flash contracts. "flash contract" ? 4month contract and much less are very common in any field of work, especially when you just hire someone for the first time. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7157 Posts
On July 26 2014 01:01 Zenbrez wrote: His last note worthy result was losing to idra in an IEM finals, 3 years ago. Ahh, i see so you dont count 2 ro8 placements in a row at dreamhack as noteworthy results? | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On July 26 2014 01:09 Luolis wrote: Ahh, i see so you dont count 2 ro8 placements in a row at dreamhack as noteworthy results? He placed as 6th actually  And after that next event (ASUS ROG) he got again to ro8. He is doing better than most of the foreigners. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13391 Posts
And as bloody dwarf above me points out he's posting better results than a lot of "bigger" names except I guess no high wcs finishes? If elfi gets on a team that has decent players for team leagues you would get much more value out of him. For example EG, it can get a lot of value from elfi in the European scene tbh. Or mouz likewise much value in elfi for them. | ||
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yido
United States350 Posts
On July 26 2014 00:06 LaaLaaLeevi wrote: You have to realise that we are talking about a God here. Can someone explain the elfi hype? Isn't he one of the lowest apm professional toss? I haven't followed his recent exploits, but I remember him making lots of simple mechanical errors in earlier Homestory Cups. Back then I thought he was one of the players that won games off of Koreans because it was PvX. I have a more enlightened view of toss now but I don't remember any of his games being particularly amazing. | ||
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hfsrj
Germany166 Posts
Team xxx is very sad to part way with player yyy. We had a great time together but this has to end unfortunately, but we'll still be friends ! Player yyy : I really love team xxx they're the best, I wish I could have stayed there forever. Team xxx : Player yyy is so great we'd rather we had him on the team forever ! | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On July 26 2014 01:01 Zenbrez wrote: His last note worthy result was losing to idra in an IEM finals, 3 years ago. I guess since he is God a note worthy result must be a premier tournament final spot, but he has take a bunch of series against good koreans in a bit smaller tournaments and in dreamhacks even though indeed a godly run is lacking from the last three years. Only four months seemed a bit short for a contract, but for sc2 players it can be a pretty brutal world these days. Vega's way to announce that didn't really make it any more gentle certainly, but different teams do things differently. Hopefully elfi will get things clicking soon and find a solid team. Based on some of his social media posts it's been a bit rough for him irl also. | ||
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Darthsanta13
United States564 Posts
I bet Scarlett would make an exception, she runs the elfi fanclub. | ||
Waxangel
United States33528 Posts
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Corvuuss
Austria354 Posts
On July 25 2014 20:47 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: With that LogiC they should kick all their members :D Maybe elfi asked too much money. Finland is one of the most expensive countries in europe. Well they have LiveZerg, and don't mess with LiveZerg man | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On July 26 2014 01:52 Corvuuss wrote: Well they have LiveZerg, and don't mess with LiveZerg man Why there is big C in quite? Why? What's so evil about LiveZerg? | ||
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Ana_
Finland453 Posts
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LaaLaaLeevi
200 Posts
On July 26 2014 01:26 yido wrote: I have a more enlightened view of toss now but I don't remember any of his games being particularly amazing. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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yido
United States350 Posts
Was that supposed to be amazing? Maybe I am unfamiliar with PvP but, even engagement being won with less micro because he pulled probes is amazing? It might be the terran in me, but I tend to be much more impressed by Life ling micro in ZvZ, Taeja marine split micro, or great blink micro by toss. You know the stuff that lower level players simple can't imitate. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On July 26 2014 00:17 Thalandros wrote: The way it's put is incredibly unprofessional and offputting, makes you want to support the team less. Not a big fan of Elfi but come on. :p dont invest in a 'popular' player if you cant keep him when he doesnt win a major event Thats just called bad business its Vega squardron. what did you expect oO | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On July 26 2014 02:38 yido wrote: Was that supposed to be amazing? Maybe I am unfamiliar with PvP but, even engagement being won with less micro because he pulled probes is amazing? It might be the terran in me, but I tend to be much more impressed by Life ling micro in ZvZ, Taeja marine split micro, or great blink micro by toss. You know the stuff that lower level players simple can't imitate. he was 30 army supply behind, there was literally now ay to win this game, his engagement was literally perfect. the arc, the probes to set it up (probes are usually useless in such big fights with colossus), just amazing. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
He can practice PvZ with Scarlett. The P of the PvZ ofc. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On July 26 2014 01:52 Corvuuss wrote: Well they have LiveZerg, and don't mess with LiveZerg man LZ's salary is the real reason behind firecake's "departure". :p | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12383 Posts
On July 26 2014 02:24 opisska wrote: I have a strong urge to find all the people who complained in this thread about the "blunt" announcement and hit them with a blunt object. Congratulations, you have just discovered the metaphorical use of language... ... | ||
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LaaLaaLeevi
200 Posts
On July 26 2014 01:40 Waxangel wrote: FOOLS I hope that the God will be merciful if he will meet Vega Squadron someday. | ||
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frozzz
Croatia118 Posts
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Travin
Sweden672 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On July 26 2014 02:24 opisska wrote: I have a strong urge to find all the people who complained in this thread about the "blunt" announcement and hit them with a blunt object. God, this is exactly why we always get the same idiotic PR nonsense in highly polished newspeak! For once, a team says something of an information value and a dozen super important nobodies is on their throat within hours ... Nonono my argument is that it is not blunt enough | ||
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TelecoM
United States10689 Posts
On topic....Sad for Elfi but I thought he was retiring or taking a break awhile ago then just came back, he will find a new team soon, guy is really good in his best form. | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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HmmmCookies
Canada34 Posts
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rotta
5598 Posts
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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rotta
5598 Posts
On July 27 2014 06:54 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: STelfi! elfi in SPL would be suh-weeet! | ||
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xtorn
4060 Posts
On July 26 2014 00:59 Creager wrote: While I agree to some degree, it's just bad PR for them as an esports team, because contracting a player for 4 months and releasing him after getting no results doesn't exactly make them attractive as employer as it puts players under severe pressure to perform really well in a very short period of time. It's understandable they can't keep him, if they can't afford paying him without getting their value out of him, but it's rather poor decision-making in the long term. this post 1000 times. "vega squadron" sounds like a cheesecake factory where you must do daily performance and show results or you get fired. To this manager guy -you think progaming works like that, you have so much to learn about management it's not even funny. and do NOT get me started on your people skills as a "manager"! not to mention your gigantic knowledge on factors like motivation strategies, mindsets of pro-competitors, how and why slumps happen and how to recover from them etc. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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Tanukki
Finland579 Posts
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dreamseller
Australia914 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
Oh yeah. None at all. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
Scarlett agrees! | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On July 26 2014 00:17 Thalandros wrote: The way it's put is incredibly unprofessional and offputting, makes you want to support the team less. Not a big fan of Elfi but come on. :p dont invest in a 'popular' player if you cant keep him when he doesnt win a major event Thats just called bad business Which is why I'm not really a supporter of Natus Vincere either. Remember the time they signed four up-and-coming Eastern European players then threw their toys out of the pram and disbanded the team less than three months later because none of them had won a major tournament? Remember the time they acquired FXO-EU then abandoned the roster once FXO withdrew their support for esports, screwing Happyzerg a second time? | ||
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