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On July 20 2014 00:28 Yorkie wrote:
Taeja is overrated. Taeja plays in the easy region, he couldn't compete in Korea. Taeja just farms foreign money. Taeja can't beat a Kespa elite, especially not in an offline bo5. Haters and doubters sit down son
Haha. Taeja just owned all the internet trolls who doubted him. TvP against a recent winner of two GSL events? Clean sweep, just like against HerO and MC.
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On July 20 2014 00:28 genai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 23:34 Hider wrote:On July 19 2014 21:27 Radicalness wrote:On July 19 2014 20:35 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 20:16 Radicalness wrote:On July 19 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 18:47 Tanzklaue wrote:
people are saying "well, taeja doesn't play against real high level koreans [Bullshit if you ask me], he has to prove himself against a Code S veteran."
Taeja crushes Zest 3-0 and makes it look easy. and of course people try to find new excuses now so they don't have to admit that some of the koreans outside of WCS Korea are just as good as the ones in it. Or people don't only look at the latest result... TaeJa 3-0 Zest ... and include some of the previous ones: TaeJa 0-3 Pigbaby TaeJa 0-2 First TaeJa 0-2 Jim Yes, let's include some previous results: TaeJa 26-0 over a span of winning HSC, Dreamhack and ro16 of WCS America. In the meantime, Zest failed to make the finals in a non-premier tournament, the SHOUTcraft Invitational. What kind of logic is that... Zest lost 3-4 in a close series to the eventual winner. With your reasoning HuK > Zest because top4 of a Premier Tournament with a tier3 line-up is better than third at a Major event with like 6 players being GSL playoffs material? What does Huk have to do with anything? Don't make fun of my reasoning when you guys are arguing Zest > TaeJa when TaeJa just swept Zest. I'm not trying to discredit Zest's accomplishments or Shoutcraft or anything. TaeJa isn't even one of my favorite players. I'm just saying TaeJa and Zest were arguably the only two players who could make claims for the best player in the world right now and TaeJa just beat him 3-0. In a month or two it could easily switch since so many more tournaments will be played over that time. Sure, it's close right now with no player really standing out extremely over another but I think it's dumb to discredit TaeJa just because he no longer plays in the GSL. His wins over Life and Zest show that. But why are you putting Taeja in amongst that claim? What logic are you using to support your theory that Taeja is perhaps the best player in the world? Why not add Pigbaby or First as well - I mean they also just swept Taeja like Taeja swept Zest. The difference between Maru and Taeja is that the former has a trackcored of consistent results against the very best players in the world, while the latter has a good trackrecord against players of worse quality. I actually think that Taeja is by far the best player in the world in terms of pure skill... way ahead of Maru... and i think Taeja has incredible track record against the very best players in the world... or do you say that players playing in korea are the very best just because they play in korea, even tho they lose to "outsiders" all the time? Funny how those same "best of the best" lose to foreigners and koreans playing outside of korea in tournaments without 2 week preparation for every match... Saying "zest was way bellow his usual level" as some said here... well duh, he just played one of the best, if not the best, player in the world without any preparation... and it showed a lot... he was doing silly things, not looking comfortable with builds and everything, getting flustered in situations... all around not being sure of himself... while Taeja was sure of his skill, control and his decisions were spot on even in very dire situations where everyone thought he is done for... doesnt that just prove that zest is maybe best player with preparation, but taeja better in pure skill randomly tossed in game and adapting on the spot? Having builds prepared for 2 weeks ahead of the game for certain player and certain maps is pretty different to on the spot decisions you have to make outside of korean tournaments... what proves skill better? in my oppinion foreign tournaments are better gauge of pure skill... especially when top koreans go there and get smashed in straight up games, not getting cheesed... and majority of those top top korean players did play in one or more outside style tournaments, and they werent that otherwordly in them... if anyone was otherwordly in those tournaments, it was usually taeja
This is how I perceive your post:
1) Starts out with a random opinion.
2) Lot's of cliches to support your opinion.
3) No usage of ingame analysis nor use of statistics
4) Another claim that goes against common knowledge (foreign tournaments better than korean tournamnets).
5) No data to back up that very controverse opinion
If you want to convince others that your argument is correct, then I would advice you to the very least have some actual data to support it (assuming you lack the ability to analyse games qualitiatively).
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Sweden471 Posts
On July 20 2014 00:28 genai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2014 23:34 Hider wrote:On July 19 2014 21:27 Radicalness wrote:On July 19 2014 20:35 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 20:16 Radicalness wrote:On July 19 2014 20:02 TheDwf wrote:On July 19 2014 18:47 Tanzklaue wrote:
people are saying "well, taeja doesn't play against real high level koreans [Bullshit if you ask me], he has to prove himself against a Code S veteran."
Taeja crushes Zest 3-0 and makes it look easy. and of course people try to find new excuses now so they don't have to admit that some of the koreans outside of WCS Korea are just as good as the ones in it. Or people don't only look at the latest result... TaeJa 3-0 Zest ... and include some of the previous ones: TaeJa 0-3 Pigbaby TaeJa 0-2 First TaeJa 0-2 Jim Yes, let's include some previous results: TaeJa 26-0 over a span of winning HSC, Dreamhack and ro16 of WCS America. In the meantime, Zest failed to make the finals in a non-premier tournament, the SHOUTcraft Invitational. What kind of logic is that... Zest lost 3-4 in a close series to the eventual winner. With your reasoning HuK > Zest because top4 of a Premier Tournament with a tier3 line-up is better than third at a Major event with like 6 players being GSL playoffs material? What does Huk have to do with anything? Don't make fun of my reasoning when you guys are arguing Zest > TaeJa when TaeJa just swept Zest. I'm not trying to discredit Zest's accomplishments or Shoutcraft or anything. TaeJa isn't even one of my favorite players. I'm just saying TaeJa and Zest were arguably the only two players who could make claims for the best player in the world right now and TaeJa just beat him 3-0. In a month or two it could easily switch since so many more tournaments will be played over that time. Sure, it's close right now with no player really standing out extremely over another but I think it's dumb to discredit TaeJa just because he no longer plays in the GSL. His wins over Life and Zest show that. But why are you putting Taeja in amongst that claim? What logic are you using to support your theory that Taeja is perhaps the best player in the world? Why not add Pigbaby or First as well - I mean they also just swept Taeja like Taeja swept Zest. The difference between Maru and Taeja is that the former has a trackcored of consistent results against the very best players in the world, while the latter has a good trackrecord against players of worse quality. I actually think that Taeja is by far the best player in the world in terms of pure skill... way ahead of Maru... and i think Taeja has incredible track record against the very best players in the world... or do you say that players playing in korea are the very best just because they play in korea, even tho they lose to "outsiders" all the time? Funny how those same "best of the best" lose to foreigners and koreans playing outside of korea in tournaments without 2 week preparation for every match... Saying "zest was way bellow his usual level" as some said here... well duh, he just played one of the best, if not the best, player in the world without any preparation... and it showed a lot... he was doing silly things, not looking comfortable with builds and everything, getting flustered in situations... all around not being sure of himself... while Taeja was sure of his skill, control and his decisions were spot on even in very dire situations where everyone thought he is done for... doesnt that just prove that zest is maybe best player with preparation, but taeja better in pure skill randomly tossed in game and adapting on the spot? Having builds prepared for 2 weeks ahead of the game for certain player and certain maps is pretty different to on the spot decisions you have to make outside of korean tournaments... what proves skill better? in my oppinion foreign tournaments are better gauge of pure skill... especially when top koreans go there and get smashed in straight up games, not getting cheesed... and majority of those top top korean players did play in one or more outside style tournaments, and they werent that otherwordly in them... if anyone was otherwordly in those tournaments, it was usually taeja
Haha! Taeja better than Maru! and not only that! He's ''WAY'' better! My sides! 10/10. But I do hate how people are like ''Jaedong/HerO/MC/ForGG/Taeja/Bomber/Polt could NEVER make Code S they wouldn't even get into Code A and if they did they would just drop out in the ro32 lmfao they're low tier cant possibly compete with top tier koreans'' Do they just suddenly forget that they play on the korean ladder? that the only real difference is who they play in WCS? that Life for example has fallen to Taeja for example MULTIPLE times and he finished top4 just 2 seasons ago in GSL
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Taeja vs Jaedong round 3 
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Dominican Republic625 Posts
On July 20 2014 00:28 Yorkie wrote:
Taeja is overrated. Taeja plays in the easy region, he couldn't compete in Korea. Taeja just farms foreign money. Taeja can't beat a Kespa elite, especially not in an offline bo5. Haters and doubters sit down son
i could not agree more...
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On July 06 2014 12:17 SC2BF3Love wrote:
IM SO GLAD, Taeja glory has come to an end... people overrated this terran player that just knows how to play greedy protoss, cheese protoss.
Pigbaby made taeja looks like a Plat terran.... this is for those that think Taeja is a good player... a basically being beaten by a ramdon protoss... imagine... SoS, Rain, Zest, Parting, etc... he wont stance a chance.
Taeja the Terran that doenst do anything other than playingn normal and still win, such a great player!!! lol
That's one serious hater  gratz Taeja
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United States23455 Posts
On July 20 2014 06:14 SC2BF3Love wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 00:28 Yorkie wrote:
Taeja is overrated. Taeja plays in the easy region, he couldn't compete in Korea. Taeja just farms foreign money. Taeja can't beat a Kespa elite, especially not in an offline bo5. Haters and doubters sit down son i could not agree more...
You ended up being wrong. Move on now please :D
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So everytime Teja looses is because of his wrist
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United States23455 Posts
On July 20 2014 08:36 nichan wrote:
So everytime Teja looses is because of his wrist
No one said that
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And now he just 3-1'd Jaedong to make it to the finals. The poor Dong. 
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On July 20 2014 08:38 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 08:36 nichan wrote:
So everytime Teja looses is because of his wrist No one said that
i say that
do u not see him stretch and rotate that wrist after games?
all his losses are because wrist, all his wins are because his skill > normal human skill
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On July 20 2014 08:38 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2014 08:36 nichan wrote:
So everytime Teja looses is because of his wrist No one said that
As a two time GSL champion, Zest would serve as an excellent test. But with the condition of Taeja's wrists seemingly in turmoil, a loss to Jim on the previous day and WCS elimination to Pigbaby still fresh in the fans minds, Zest looked to be the smart bet.
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EPT
