Red Bull BG Atlanta: Casters & Players

On July 10 2014 07:00 Paljas wrote:
i assume Theory is the ex FXO player?
also, its nice too see more of TooDming

On July 10 2014 07:11 Universum wrote:
NonY just posted in his Stream Thread that he will not be going. So someone should update OP and Liquipedia

On July 10 2014 07:11 Universum wrote:
NonY just posted in his Stream Thread that he will not be going. So someone should update OP and Liquipedia

On July 10 2014 07:41 Packawana wrote:
If JD isn't going to be at DH or RB, where is he?

On July 10 2014 07:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Awww. Why are Incontrol and Nony not going?

On July 10 2014 08:16 FXOTheoRy wrote:
this tournament has good payout, more people need to sign up !!!

On July 10 2014 08:36 coL.hendralisk wrote:


assuming u wont run into a polt in ro128/64

On July 10 2014 08:18 Fusilero wrote:
A Chinese player outside of WCS? This will be interesting.

On July 10 2014 08:49 FXOTheoRy wrote:


haha yeah. some poor gm gonna get knocked out round 1 by polt and a lucky diamond player will get WCS points

On July 10 2014 10:31 RaGe wrote:
Doesn't MrBitter work for Red Bull now? Why isn't he casting? (not that im not happy with current lineup)

On July 10 2014 14:05 Soke wrote:
I am surprised at how weak the lineup looked, or better put, how small the number of good players is! It has a great prize pool and plenty of WCS points, but the list given seems kind of sad for such a big tournament

On July 10 2014 10:57 Doodsmack wrote:
Should be an awesome tournament.Nice to see SirRobin in there :D.

On July 10 2014 14:31 kuan888 wrote:



Is he the community caster from MLG back in the days ? I remember him from there, idk if he done other stuff tho...

On July 10 2014 11:04 Yhamm wrote:

because he's not working as a caster now, he's in the organization

On July 10 2014 22:32 Eggi wrote:
im amaz'd that ruff would show his face after this fiasco with alot of ROOT players attending.

Id be too embarrassed

On July 10 2014 08:36 coL.hendralisk wrote:


assuming u wont run into a polt in ro128/64

On July 11 2014 06:44 Vindicare605 wrote:
Does it bother anyone else that this event is worth 4k WCS points? That's as much as IEM Sao Paolo and Cologne!

I mean this is a great roster, and I'm definitely going to watch, but the competition here is small enough that I'm bothered that it has real WCS standings implications.

Not really a criticism of this event, just with the WCS point distribution in general. Korea really needs to be weighted a lot heavier.

On July 11 2014 06:57 Vindicare605 wrote:



Why is that? The whole point of even having the point system is so that Blizzcon at the end of the year can crown the World Champion of Starcraft 2014.

If the best players aren't there to compete doesn't that defeat the entire purpose?

At this point I'd think I'd rather just remove all of the extra points awarded by these secondary events and have it rely solely on performance in the actual WCS tournaments. There's still money to be won so it's not like it would kill the event.

As is, the only guys from WCS Korea that actually have a chance of going to Blizzcon are the ones that have actually WON the GSL, (and soO because of his 3 silvers.) That leaves out a LOT of top end players.

On July 11 2014 07:07 Vindicare605 wrote:


I'm more just saying this to keep in mind what should be done about next year.

If Blizzcon happens and there's only like 3 GSL players there total, that is going to be a bad thing and something Blizz needs to address when they lay out the format next year. Either GSL gets weighted a lot more heavily or they stop giving out points to events like this.

The current format favors foreign players and players on foreign teams too much. 750 points for a first place here is worth as much as a top 4 placing in GSL. That's just not right. Polt or Bomber could earn as much as Maru did for the entire Season 2 with a win here.

On July 11 2014 09:35 NonY wrote:
Blizzcon is the biggest tournament of the international scene. Korea has their own bubble of competition. I think you are kinda misunderstanding what WCS/Blizzcon is if you think one of its goals is to have strictly the highest skill 16 players. It's supposed to have the best performing (on the international scene) players. If the Korean teams wanted to participate in the international scene more, then yeah their players would probably fill all those ranks. But giving them more spots without asking them to participate is just a nonsense idea. It's turning Blizzcon into something else.

Besides, your idea of just making GSL's count for more isn't a great way to get the best lineup. It'd be better to have more competitions than 3 a year -- there are plenty of good players who just have a string of bad luck at GSL. With more tournaments, the rankings become more accurate. And perhaps more importantly, inviting a young Korean who has never traveled to another continent and hasn't been succeeding at a tournament format like Blizzcon is generally a bad idea. Some rise to the occasion and some are a wasted slot. If you invite people based on international performance, then you have players who have demonstrated they thrive at a tournament like Blizzcon, not just a player who is playing really well in the vacuum of Seoul/GSL.

The best thing you can do is get used to the duality of SC2 competition. The Korean scene isn't cracking open to the international scene anytime soon because the major teams have sponsors that work best for the Korean market, not internationally. Blizzcon is in the international sphere. Clearly you're a fan of the best players and it's weird to see them have a harder road to the biggest tournament, but that's just the way it is. Solving that issue how you want is opening a pandora's box for the international scene. WCS is a bundle of compromises and you're advocating tipping it too hard one way. Enjoy GSL, enjoy Blizzcon for what it is.

On July 12 2014 00:20 SCguineapig wrote:
any links to brackets?

On July 11 2014 11:06 sc2isnotdying wrote:


I did some quick math and boosting the GSL WCS points by 30 percent wouldn't put a single extra GSL player into the top 16 as it currently stands, so I think "pandora's box" is overstating it a bit. I would like to see the WCS system tweaked a bit next year to include more of the world's best players. A system where roughly half the field are top players from the Korean scene would feel right to me. (nicely reflects that duality, you referred to) It would give Blizzcon more of a true World Championship feel without diluting the international nature of the tournament or the incentive for players to participate in the international scene.

A 30ish percent boost to GSL points is one way to accomplish that, but I'd prefer that Blizzard just reserve an invite for the Proleague player with best record who isn't already qualified by WCS points. That would ensure that Blizzcon would at least invite the best performing players on the Korean scene, which currently isn't the case(poor Maru), because Proleague results certainly matter to the major Korean teams.