• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:35
CET 04:35
KST 12:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT24Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0226LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker16
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Kaelaris on the futue of SC2 and much more... How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) How do the "codes" work in GSL? Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
A new season just kicks off TvZ is the most complete match up BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Diablo 2 thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2229 users

Welcome to ZParcraft II - Page 59

Forum Index > SC2 General
1376 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 57 58 59 60 61 69 Next
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10104 Posts
July 03 2014 17:10 GMT
#1161
amazing read! :D 10/10 would read again
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
July 03 2014 17:44 GMT
#1162
This is an insane amount of work, gathering the statistics, the games, etc must have taken a huge amount of time. I agree that some of the ironic jokes don't serve the cause but when you put them apart, it's a formidable work that helps me (a non-player but big SC2 fan and writer) to understand precisely the struggle of the Terran race in the last months.

Congratulations Downfall !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Elendur
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada43 Posts
July 03 2014 19:25 GMT
#1163
Thank you TheDwf for your courage and graceful intelligence. Everyone knows this but few have made the effort to articulate it well. Shame on blizzard for allowing their standards to slip over the past half-decade. SC2 has not yet seen the quality once found in BW, D2 and early wow. I'm looking at you also pre-ROS D3. I expect more from what i was proud to call the only excellent gaming company from 1990 to 2005.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26262 Posts
July 03 2014 21:03 GMT
#1164
Wait, Tempests are 4 supply?

I'm sickened both at how this is news to me and also that they are only 4 bloody supply! Sheesh
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 03 2014 21:06 GMT
#1165
On July 04 2014 06:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
Wait, Tempests are 4 supply?

I'm sickened both at how this is news to me and also that they are only 4 bloody supply! Sheesh

So are Brood Lords.
eightym
Profile Joined May 2011
United States76 Posts
July 04 2014 00:04 GMT
#1166
On July 04 2014 06:06 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 06:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
Wait, Tempests are 4 supply?

I'm sickened both at how this is news to me and also that they are only 4 bloody supply! Sheesh

So are Brood Lords.


Thors are 6 supply and relatively useless compared to blords and tempests (again, both 4 supply, wow).
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 04 2014 00:32 GMT
#1167
On July 04 2014 09:04 eightym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 06:06 ZAiNs wrote:
On July 04 2014 06:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
Wait, Tempests are 4 supply?

I'm sickened both at how this is news to me and also that they are only 4 bloody supply! Sheesh

So are Brood Lords.


Thors are 6 supply and relatively useless compared to blords and tempests (again, both 4 supply, wow).

It's almost as if the races are asymmetrical.
eightym
Profile Joined May 2011
United States76 Posts
July 04 2014 01:04 GMT
#1168
On July 04 2014 09:32 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 09:04 eightym wrote:
On July 04 2014 06:06 ZAiNs wrote:
On July 04 2014 06:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
Wait, Tempests are 4 supply?

I'm sickened both at how this is news to me and also that they are only 4 bloody supply! Sheesh

So are Brood Lords.


Thors are 6 supply and relatively useless compared to blords and tempests (again, both 4 supply, wow).

It's almost as if the races are asymmetrical.


Too asymmetrical.
RampancyTW
Profile Joined August 2010
United States577 Posts
July 04 2014 01:34 GMT
#1169
On July 03 2014 16:30 ahw wrote:
Sc2 will always be personified by mid-WOL TvZ, marine/medical/tank positional play against the ling/bling/muta style. Those games were fast paced, skill based, fun to play and watch.

Someone figure out a way to make all matchup a like that, then apply to be a lead designer for lotv, and maybe this game will be relevant again
A big factor that went into making these games play out the way they did was how fucking awful players were back then and Terran-favored maps (relative to now).

Xel'Naga Caverns was considered a great map back then, ffs.
EiBmoZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada235 Posts
July 04 2014 05:53 GMT
#1170
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2
MrLightning
Profile Joined September 2013
306 Posts
July 04 2014 06:04 GMT
#1171
On July 04 2014 14:53 EiBmoZ wrote:
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2


Hahahahaha, Nice! However, you do realize that 95% of posters in this thread are pro-terran right? You would have better luck convincing the pope and his cardinals that god does not exist then convincing these people that their whining and tears are unjustified.
EiBmoZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada235 Posts
July 04 2014 06:08 GMT
#1172
On July 04 2014 15:04 MrLightning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 14:53 EiBmoZ wrote:
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2


Hahahahaha, Nice! However, you do realize that 95% of posters in this thread are pro-terran right? You would have better luck convincing the pope and his cardinals that god does not exist then convincing these people that their whining and tears are unjustified.


yes i do realize that, in fact i was counting on it =)
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 04 2014 06:17 GMT
#1173
On July 04 2014 14:53 EiBmoZ wrote:
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2

Just because they were strong at the start doesn't mean they deserve to be weak now

thats not how balance works
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 04 2014 06:19 GMT
#1174
On July 04 2014 15:08 EiBmoZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 15:04 MrLightning wrote:
On July 04 2014 14:53 EiBmoZ wrote:
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2


Hahahahaha, Nice! However, you do realize that 95% of posters in this thread are pro-terran right? You would have better luck convincing the pope and his cardinals that god does not exist then convincing these people that their whining and tears are unjustified.


yes i do realize that, in fact i was counting on it =)


wow martyr yourself harder, you two are projecting way too hard there, go show a power point presentation off your forehead of the statistical distribution of TL posters in this thread while your at it.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
EiBmoZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada235 Posts
July 04 2014 06:23 GMT
#1175
On July 04 2014 15:17 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 14:53 EiBmoZ wrote:
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2

Just because they were strong at the start doesn't mean they deserve to be weak now

thats not how balance works



maybe not but every time a terran loses in a tournament an angel gets its wings, fact.
CakeSauc3
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1437 Posts
July 04 2014 06:49 GMT
#1176
On July 04 2014 15:23 EiBmoZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 15:17 Shaella wrote:
On July 04 2014 14:53 EiBmoZ wrote:
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2

Just because they were strong at the start doesn't mean they deserve to be weak now

thats not how balance works



maybe not but every time a terran loses in a tournament an angel gets its wings, fact.


That's a lot of angels with a lot of wings.
MrLightning
Profile Joined September 2013
306 Posts
July 04 2014 06:51 GMT
#1177
On July 04 2014 15:19 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 15:08 EiBmoZ wrote:
On July 04 2014 15:04 MrLightning wrote:
On July 04 2014 14:53 EiBmoZ wrote:
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2


Hahahahaha, Nice! However, you do realize that 95% of posters in this thread are pro-terran right? You would have better luck convincing the pope and his cardinals that god does not exist then convincing these people that their whining and tears are unjustified.


yes i do realize that, in fact i was counting on it =)


wow martyr yourself harder, you two are projecting way too hard there, go show a power point presentation off your forehead of the statistical distribution of TL posters in this thread while your at it.


And the hornets come flying out! Tell me good sir, why in the world would I want to show people a power point presentation of my forehead? As handsome as it is. It would just be pictures of my forehead with words under them describing it. Who would want to see that?
EiBmoZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada235 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 07:13:23
July 04 2014 07:06 GMT
#1178
On July 04 2014 15:49 CakeSauc3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2014 15:23 EiBmoZ wrote:
On July 04 2014 15:17 Shaella wrote:
On July 04 2014 14:53 EiBmoZ wrote:
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2

Just because they were strong at the start doesn't mean they deserve to be weak now

thats not how balance works



maybe not but every time a terran loses in a tournament an angel gets its wings, fact.


That's a lot of angels with a lot of wings.


a lot of marine/scv all-in wins to make up for yo
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
July 04 2014 07:17 GMT
#1179
On July 04 2014 14:53 EiBmoZ wrote:
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2

most of those people already switched to protoss.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
July 04 2014 07:27 GMT
#1180
On July 04 2014 14:53 EiBmoZ wrote:
here's the thing.. all of you people crying about terran are all the people that picked terran when this game 1st came out, when terran was clearly the most OP race in sc2(mostly b/c of the small maps).. you guys got to enjoy that for 2-3 years... in the last year the only person good enough to win is teaja b/c he's just that good at sc2. as Idra would say, you guys should have had some self respect when the game 1st came out an played zerg or protoss an you'd be playing one of the strong races now, and you'd have nothing to complain about.. why don't you change the title of this thread to "Blizzard made it so i can't just build marines an win very game vs both races tier everything =("

#fuckterran

<-- Hating Terran since MK cheese Fruitdealer GSL 2



I still smile a bit every time I see terran lose.
moo...for DRG
Prev 1 57 58 59 60 61 69 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 25m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 244
RuFF_SC2 206
ProTech142
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 702
Bale 30
Dota 2
monkeys_forever445
febbydoto14
League of Legends
JimRising 580
Counter-Strike
fl0m2005
taco 877
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor141
Other Games
summit1g10127
C9.Mang0503
Trikslyr51
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1065
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta64
• Response 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4306
• Scarra1336
• Stunt210
Upcoming Events
PiG Sty Festival
5h 25m
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Escore
6h 25m
Epic.LAN
8h 25m
Replay Cast
20h 25m
PiG Sty Festival
1d 5h
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
1d 6h
Epic.LAN
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-18
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.