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On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU. I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem! I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data
From what I recall Bomber was at that time Code S player, but I am not 100% exactly sure
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On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU. I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem! I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data
You complain about this thread not being up to date and bring up a tournament win (last major terran win?) from a year ago because that proves balance?
PvP. PvP. Jaedong on a rampage for 2 days. Bomber on a rampage for 2 days and in CodeS.
#nodata
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On July 01 2014 21:21 _Epi_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU. I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem! I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data From what I recall Bomber was at that time Code S player, but I am not 100% exactly sure
He was. Ro4 if memory serves
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On July 01 2014 21:15 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing. Where do you get the nerve to spout such crap at one of the most helpful community members on this site? The only one overly biased here is you, because you can't look past your emotions and act overly defensive on what you perceive as an attack on "your" race. I'd almost see that as a bannable offense, comparing one of the best community members and probably the most dedicated terran player on the entire website to shitvilo...
Using pre-patch data in an article about current balance can be fairly characterized as dishonest.
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On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU. I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem! I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data
MC lose to players like SNute, HasuObs or Yoda.
JD lose to players like Jim, HeroMarine or Macsed.
Bomber lost to Has ffs.
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On July 01 2014 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU. I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem! I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data You complain about this thread not being up to date and bring up a tournament win (last major terran win?) from a year ago because that proves balance? PvP. PvP. Jaedong on a rampage for 2 days. Bomber on a rampage for 2 days and in CodeS. #nodata
I gave you data. You gave me your personal justifications for ignoring data that you find inconvenient.
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On July 01 2014 21:21 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:15 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 21:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing. Where do you get the nerve to spout such crap at one of the most helpful community members on this site? The only one overly biased here is you, because you can't look past your emotions and act overly defensive on what you perceive as an attack on "your" race. I'd almost see that as a bannable offense, comparing one of the best community members and probably the most dedicated terran player on the entire website to shitvilo... Using pre-patch data in an article about current balance can be fairly characterized as dishonest.
You pathetic hypocrite. Just quit it please.
What is dishonest on the data? It isn't claimed to be fully up to date. It's mentioned and dates are everywhere. Stop complaining, seriously.
It's an article about balance in the past 8 months and about the problems Terran experiences in matchups. Two tiny patches without effect have NO influence on said data.
Start responding to people in this thread and stop cherrypicking the tiny manipulated sources of data that support your argument and nitpicking out-of-context lines in comments.
It makes you look stupid.
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Northern Ireland26760 Posts
Of the Korean diaspora there are definitely players who are farming the foreign scene because they can't compete, but there are guys there who can show up and still beat pretty much anyone, to disregard foreign-based players is a bit much IMO.
Taeja definitely, Bomber, Polt, HerO, Hyun among others are certainly still relevant if they show up at a tournament and are in good shape. While in different eras all these guys have made a Ro4 in GSL at the very least
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On July 01 2014 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:21 _Epi_ wrote:On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU. I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem! I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data From what I recall Bomber was at that time Code S player, but I am not 100% exactly sure He was. Ro4 if memory serves
Here is the evidence
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2
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On July 01 2014 21:23 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU. I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem! I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data You complain about this thread not being up to date and bring up a tournament win (last major terran win?) from a year ago because that proves balance? PvP. PvP. Jaedong on a rampage for 2 days. Bomber on a rampage for 2 days and in CodeS. #nodata I gave you data. You gave me your personal justifications for ignoring data that you find inconvenient.
Sigh. You're helpless.
Here's some data.
Toastie is 2-100000 in TvP! I have no source, I show you nothing else and won't let you analyze. Clearly, Protoss is a fucking overpowered cunt of a race and needs to be nerfed superbly damn hard! You have personal justifications as to not accept my data? I don't care, I'll just say you find it inconvenient!
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On July 01 2014 21:24 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:21 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:15 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 21:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing. Where do you get the nerve to spout such crap at one of the most helpful community members on this site? The only one overly biased here is you, because you can't look past your emotions and act overly defensive on what you perceive as an attack on "your" race. I'd almost see that as a bannable offense, comparing one of the best community members and probably the most dedicated terran player on the entire website to shitvilo... Using pre-patch data in an article about current balance can be fairly characterized as dishonest. You pathetic hypocrite. Just quit it please. What is dishonest on the data? It isn't claimed to be fully up to date. It's mentioned and dates are everywhere. Stop complaining, seriously. It's an article about balance in the past 8 months and about the problems Terran experiences in matchups. Two tiny patches without effect have NO influence on said data. Start responding to people in this thread and stop cherrypicking the tiny manipulated sources of data that support your argument and nitpicking out-of-context lines in comments. It makes you look stupid.
Nice ad hominem attack.
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Northern Ireland26760 Posts
On July 01 2014 21:22 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU. I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem! I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data MC lose to players like SNute, HasuObs or Yoda. JD lose to players like Jim, HeroMarine or Macsed. Bomber lost to Has ffs.
Remind me how Flash, Ty, Stork and Roro fared on their foreign excursions
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On July 01 2014 21:21 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:15 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 21:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing. Where do you get the nerve to spout such crap at one of the most helpful community members on this site? The only one overly biased here is you, because you can't look past your emotions and act overly defensive on what you perceive as an attack on "your" race. I'd almost see that as a bannable offense, comparing one of the best community members and probably the most dedicated terran player on the entire website to shitvilo... Using pre-patch data in an article about current balance can be fairly characterized as dishonest.
OP explained the current ballance by history by explaining the influence of ballance changes over the time to the current meta.
I think it was very important to explain it by every change and the resulting meta.
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On July 01 2014 21:25 _Epi_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 21:21 _Epi_ wrote:On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU. I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem! I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data From what I recall Bomber was at that time Code S player, but I am not 100% exactly sure He was. Ro4 if memory serves Here is the evidence http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2
Yep. That one single event that happened a year ago is certainly more relevant than that giant OP with over 100K words with data from the past 8 months.
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On July 01 2014 21:26 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:24 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 21:21 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:15 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 21:12 Sapphire.lux wrote:On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing. Where do you get the nerve to spout such crap at one of the most helpful community members on this site? The only one overly biased here is you, because you can't look past your emotions and act overly defensive on what you perceive as an attack on "your" race. I'd almost see that as a bannable offense, comparing one of the best community members and probably the most dedicated terran player on the entire website to shitvilo... Using pre-patch data in an article about current balance can be fairly characterized as dishonest. You pathetic hypocrite. Just quit it please. What is dishonest on the data? It isn't claimed to be fully up to date. It's mentioned and dates are everywhere. Stop complaining, seriously. It's an article about balance in the past 8 months and about the problems Terran experiences in matchups. Two tiny patches without effect have NO influence on said data. Start responding to people in this thread and stop cherrypicking the tiny manipulated sources of data that support your argument and nitpicking out-of-context lines in comments. It makes you look stupid. Nice ad hominem attack.
You're welcome.
It certainly makes you more credible if you use oneliners and bullshit data and ignore arguments made with silly responses.
/r/starcraft
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On July 01 2014 21:26 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:22 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU. I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem! I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data MC lose to players like SNute, HasuObs or Yoda. JD lose to players like Jim, HeroMarine or Macsed. Bomber lost to Has ffs. Remind me how Flash, Ty, Stork and Roro fared on their foreign excursions
As for MC/JD, they are slightly above that level, so those are not real upsets.
As for the Kespa guys, they're inexperienced with travel, inexperienced in those weekend tournaments and probably jetlagged.
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On July 01 2014 21:27 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:25 _Epi_ wrote:On July 01 2014 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 21:21 _Epi_ wrote:On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
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I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins! Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne. Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data From what I recall Bomber was at that time Code S player, but I am not 100% exactly sure He was. Ro4 if memory serves Here is the evidence http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2 Yep. That one single event that happened a year ago is certainly more relevant than that giant OP with over 100K words with data from the past 8 months.
Calm down bro, i was just saying to Salient that Bomber was Code S to that time when he was saying that also former koreans had great success playing abroad.
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On July 01 2014 21:30 _Epi_ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 21:27 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 21:25 _Epi_ wrote:On July 01 2014 21:21 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 21:21 _Epi_ wrote:On July 01 2014 21:19 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 21:06 SC2Toastie wrote:On July 01 2014 20:59 Salient wrote:On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:
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Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.
Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed. Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday. Yes. They do. They fall off. MC can't beat SoO or Classic or Zest. Nor can Jaedong. Taeja is multiple classes above MC and a lot stronger than MC. Taeja beating up foreigners and Code B players in TvP lategame he was usually already ahead in IS NOT a counterargument. Now. Where's your data? MC 2-0 Classic at IEM (set 1). Classic 2-1 MC set 2. Jaedong was #2 at Blizzcon. Bomber won a WCS season finals over WCS Korea players. #data From what I recall Bomber was at that time Code S player, but I am not 100% exactly sure He was. Ro4 if memory serves Here is the evidence http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2 Yep. That one single event that happened a year ago is certainly more relevant than that giant OP with over 100K words with data from the past 8 months. Calm down bro, i was just saying to Salient that Bomber was Code S to that time when he was saying that also former koreans had great success playing abroad.
Just making sure people know the context :D
edit: in a slightly aggressive way because Salient is starting to frustrate me with his incompetence
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Salient: complains about an article for beeing misleading because it doesnt use up to date data. Posts games which were over a year ago to prove his points.
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Northern Ireland26760 Posts
With the exception of MC, MMA, Polt and jjakji many of these guys are still based in Korea for the most time as well, HerO is in the IM house iirc, so they're still getting a close to optimal training environment. Impressive to me is that Taeja practices from home and still maintains his level.
It's a damn shame that Korea doesn't have more tournaments for people to earn their keep, given that the country provides such a massive proportion of the top tier SC2 players
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