• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:14
CET 09:14
KST 17:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT9Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker15
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game?
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Team League Season 10 PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? TvZ is the most complete match up Brood War inspired Terran vs Zerg cinematic – feed Which units you wish saw more use in the game?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Diablo 2 thread Nintendo Switch Thread Corso Formazione Insegnanti Yoga What Game makes you happy and stress free?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Search For Meaning in Vi…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2022 users

Welcome to ZParcraft II - Page 50

Forum Index > SC2 General
1376 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 48 49 50 51 52 69 Next
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7159 Posts
July 01 2014 11:45 GMT
#981
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

rofl.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 01 2014 11:45 GMT
#982
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

True as long as he wins engagements. If he loses one its mostly over because terran production sucks.
aka Kalevi
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:46 GMT
#983
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

Really? That happened repeatedly? Could you please post 3-5 games of Taeja entering lategame on even footing and winning it whilst the Protoss didn't fuck up majorly?
Shouldn't be too hard to find the vods!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 11:48:39
July 01 2014 11:48 GMT
#984
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I have the feeling he is geting gangraped tho
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:48 GMT
#985
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 01 2014 11:49 GMT
#986
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.


Because hellbat patch change everything in TvP imarite?
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:49 GMT
#987
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:50 GMT
#988
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
July 01 2014 11:51 GMT
#989
I think sc2 has a fundamental design issue, thus making it very hard to balance the game nicely. There are just certain mechanics introduced that are very bad, such as injects and warp gate. There isn't this fundamental building block that each race shares, and then branches from. For something as important as the way units are produced, there's just too much disparity. Terran's inability to match the "burst macro" potential of the other 2 races is one of the biggest reason why it's so weak right now, on top of the nerfs to their units that have decreased their early and mid game potentials, which is their only strong suit.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1415 Posts
July 01 2014 11:51 GMT
#990
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

*if you are the best terran on the planet and play against mostly code A/low Code S protoss.

yes, you can best protoss late game as a terran, but that requires perfect micro from the terran, and some fuck ups from the protoss. again, taeja is the only one who in the last 6 months took lategames against protoss in a semiconsistent fashion. if you need to be that good to even have the slightest of chances, then something is wrong with the game.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:53 GMT
#991
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:53 GMT
#992
On July 01 2014 20:51 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

*if you are the best terran on the planet and play against mostly code A/low Code S protoss.

yes, you can best protoss late game as a terran, but that requires perfect micro from the terran, and some fuck ups from the protoss. again, taeja is the only one who in the last 6 months took lategames against protoss in a semiconsistent fashion. if you need to be that good to even have the slightest of chances, then something is wrong with the game.

Still waiting on the examples...
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
JanLui
Profile Joined November 2010
France50 Posts
July 01 2014 11:53 GMT
#993
great write up expressing prefectly all my frustration as terran, and making me considering switching from terran to imbatoss
Never Die Easy. http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/312602/JanLui
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 01 2014 11:54 GMT
#994
Thefruitdealer took consistently games against terran players, cant we go back to that stage of the game?
aka Kalevi
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 11:55:14
July 01 2014 11:54 GMT
#995
On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.

Rofl.
Seriously? That is your example?

I'm pretty sure Soulkey could go queen only and beat any gold leaguer, nerf queens!!!!!!!!!!

Point out the exact games, I'll explain why you are wrong!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 01 2014 11:55 GMT
#996
On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.

Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:55 GMT
#997
On July 01 2014 20:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.


You need data to support your balance whine. You have no data to support anything post-patch. It is just unadulterated QQ.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 01 2014 11:57 GMT
#998
On July 01 2014 20:55 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.


You need data to support your balance whine. You have no data to support anything post-patch. It is just unadulterated QQ.


Please give me an example where hellbat patch helped in TvP lategame.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 01 2014 11:58 GMT
#999
On July 01 2014 20:55 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.


You need data to support your balance whine. You have no data to support anything post-patch. It is just unadulterated QQ.

ok if you think widowmines/hellbats will epicly change TvP, we can w8 another few months of terrans being slaughtered or pulling scvs desperately and look from there. I am just glad I dont play anymore ^^
aka Kalevi
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:59 GMT
#1000
On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.

Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed.


Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday.
Prev 1 48 49 50 51 52 69 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 46m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft539
SortOf 71
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 317
GuemChi 317
ajuk12(nOOB) 102
scan(afreeca) 71
Sacsri 38
Shinee 29
JulyZerg 20
GoRush 18
Purpose 16
SilentControl 12
[ Show more ]
ZergMaN 12
Bale 12
Dota 2
XaKoH 551
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv515
Stewie2K488
kRYSTAL_21
Other Games
summit1g8911
C9.Mang0343
Liquid`RaSZi323
Tasteless321
Mew2King98
Trikslyr22
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick863
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 75
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH215
• StrangeGG 52
• Gemini_19 18
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1686
• Stunt509
• HappyZerGling132
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
46m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
3h 46m
Replay Cast
15h 46m
PiG Sty Festival
1d
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
The PondCast
1d 1h
KCM Race Survival
1d 1h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 3h
OSC
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
[ Show More ]
Epic.LAN
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-League Week 31
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.