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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7136 Posts
July 01 2014 11:45 GMT
#981
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

rofl.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 01 2014 11:45 GMT
#982
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

True as long as he wins engagements. If he loses one its mostly over because terran production sucks.
aka Kalevi
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:46 GMT
#983
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

Really? That happened repeatedly? Could you please post 3-5 games of Taeja entering lategame on even footing and winning it whilst the Protoss didn't fuck up majorly?
Shouldn't be too hard to find the vods!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 11:48:39
July 01 2014 11:48 GMT
#984
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I have the feeling he is geting gangraped tho
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:48 GMT
#985
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 01 2014 11:49 GMT
#986
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.


Because hellbat patch change everything in TvP imarite?
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:49 GMT
#987
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:50 GMT
#988
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
July 01 2014 11:51 GMT
#989
I think sc2 has a fundamental design issue, thus making it very hard to balance the game nicely. There are just certain mechanics introduced that are very bad, such as injects and warp gate. There isn't this fundamental building block that each race shares, and then branches from. For something as important as the way units are produced, there's just too much disparity. Terran's inability to match the "burst macro" potential of the other 2 races is one of the biggest reason why it's so weak right now, on top of the nerfs to their units that have decreased their early and mid game potentials, which is their only strong suit.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1414 Posts
July 01 2014 11:51 GMT
#990
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

*if you are the best terran on the planet and play against mostly code A/low Code S protoss.

yes, you can best protoss late game as a terran, but that requires perfect micro from the terran, and some fuck ups from the protoss. again, taeja is the only one who in the last 6 months took lategames against protoss in a semiconsistent fashion. if you need to be that good to even have the slightest of chances, then something is wrong with the game.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:53 GMT
#991
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:53 GMT
#992
On July 01 2014 20:51 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

*if you are the best terran on the planet and play against mostly code A/low Code S protoss.

yes, you can best protoss late game as a terran, but that requires perfect micro from the terran, and some fuck ups from the protoss. again, taeja is the only one who in the last 6 months took lategames against protoss in a semiconsistent fashion. if you need to be that good to even have the slightest of chances, then something is wrong with the game.

Still waiting on the examples...
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
JanLui
Profile Joined November 2010
France50 Posts
July 01 2014 11:53 GMT
#993
great write up expressing prefectly all my frustration as terran, and making me considering switching from terran to imbatoss
Never Die Easy. http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/312602/JanLui
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 01 2014 11:54 GMT
#994
Thefruitdealer took consistently games against terran players, cant we go back to that stage of the game?
aka Kalevi
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 11:55:14
July 01 2014 11:54 GMT
#995
On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.

Rofl.
Seriously? That is your example?

I'm pretty sure Soulkey could go queen only and beat any gold leaguer, nerf queens!!!!!!!!!!

Point out the exact games, I'll explain why you are wrong!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 01 2014 11:55 GMT
#996
On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.

Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:55 GMT
#997
On July 01 2014 20:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.


You need data to support your balance whine. You have no data to support anything post-patch. It is just unadulterated QQ.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 01 2014 11:57 GMT
#998
On July 01 2014 20:55 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.


You need data to support your balance whine. You have no data to support anything post-patch. It is just unadulterated QQ.


Please give me an example where hellbat patch helped in TvP lategame.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 01 2014 11:58 GMT
#999
On July 01 2014 20:55 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.


You need data to support your balance whine. You have no data to support anything post-patch. It is just unadulterated QQ.

ok if you think widowmines/hellbats will epicly change TvP, we can w8 another few months of terrans being slaughtered or pulling scvs desperately and look from there. I am just glad I dont play anymore ^^
aka Kalevi
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:59 GMT
#1000
On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.

Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed.


Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday.
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