• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:10
CEST 13:10
KST 20:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun11[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists21[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) ASL21 General Discussion [TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review Missed out on ASL tickets - what are my options?
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2645 users

Welcome to ZParcraft II - Page 50

Forum Index > SC2 General
1376 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 48 49 50 51 52 69 Next
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7169 Posts
July 01 2014 11:45 GMT
#981
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

rofl.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 01 2014 11:45 GMT
#982
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

True as long as he wins engagements. If he loses one its mostly over because terran production sucks.
aka Kalevi
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:46 GMT
#983
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

Really? That happened repeatedly? Could you please post 3-5 games of Taeja entering lategame on even footing and winning it whilst the Protoss didn't fuck up majorly?
Shouldn't be too hard to find the vods!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 11:48:39
July 01 2014 11:48 GMT
#984
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I have the feeling he is geting gangraped tho
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:48 GMT
#985
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 01 2014 11:49 GMT
#986
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.


Because hellbat patch change everything in TvP imarite?
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:49 GMT
#987
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:50 GMT
#988
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
July 01 2014 11:51 GMT
#989
I think sc2 has a fundamental design issue, thus making it very hard to balance the game nicely. There are just certain mechanics introduced that are very bad, such as injects and warp gate. There isn't this fundamental building block that each race shares, and then branches from. For something as important as the way units are produced, there's just too much disparity. Terran's inability to match the "burst macro" potential of the other 2 races is one of the biggest reason why it's so weak right now, on top of the nerfs to their units that have decreased their early and mid game potentials, which is their only strong suit.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
July 01 2014 11:51 GMT
#990
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

*if you are the best terran on the planet and play against mostly code A/low Code S protoss.

yes, you can best protoss late game as a terran, but that requires perfect micro from the terran, and some fuck ups from the protoss. again, taeja is the only one who in the last 6 months took lategames against protoss in a semiconsistent fashion. if you need to be that good to even have the slightest of chances, then something is wrong with the game.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:53 GMT
#991
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 11:53 GMT
#992
On July 01 2014 20:51 Tanzklaue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:44 Salient wrote:
Taeja has repeatedly shown that Terran lategame is at least as powerful as Protoss.

*if you are the best terran on the planet and play against mostly code A/low Code S protoss.

yes, you can best protoss late game as a terran, but that requires perfect micro from the terran, and some fuck ups from the protoss. again, taeja is the only one who in the last 6 months took lategames against protoss in a semiconsistent fashion. if you need to be that good to even have the slightest of chances, then something is wrong with the game.

Still waiting on the examples...
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
JanLui
Profile Joined November 2010
France50 Posts
July 01 2014 11:53 GMT
#993
great write up expressing prefectly all my frustration as terran, and making me considering switching from terran to imbatoss
Never Die Easy. http://www.sc2ranks.com/eu/312602/JanLui
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 01 2014 11:54 GMT
#994
Thefruitdealer took consistently games against terran players, cant we go back to that stage of the game?
aka Kalevi
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 11:55:14
July 01 2014 11:54 GMT
#995
On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.

Rofl.
Seriously? That is your example?

I'm pretty sure Soulkey could go queen only and beat any gold leaguer, nerf queens!!!!!!!!!!

Point out the exact games, I'll explain why you are wrong!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 01 2014 11:55 GMT
#996
On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.

Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:55 GMT
#997
On July 01 2014 20:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.


You need data to support your balance whine. You have no data to support anything post-patch. It is just unadulterated QQ.
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 01 2014 11:57 GMT
#998
On July 01 2014 20:55 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.


You need data to support your balance whine. You have no data to support anything post-patch. It is just unadulterated QQ.


Please give me an example where hellbat patch helped in TvP lategame.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
July 01 2014 11:58 GMT
#999
On July 01 2014 20:55 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:45 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:36 Salient wrote:
Terran players like the dwarf and Avilo have been crying about balance for years, even when Terran was winning everything during Wings of Liberty. This biased article uses data from before the recent slew of Terran buffs. It is dishonest and embarrassing.

You're dishonest and embarrassing, calling one of the most respected Terrans in the community out and comparing him to the joke that is avilo. Shame on you. Don't speak about things you don't know.

PS Slew of buffs. lol.


Using outdated pre-patch data is dishonest. The recent Terran buffs must be taken into account if you want to have an honest discussion about the current state of the game. He conveniently ignores that.

You conveniently ignore things.

Hellbat buff is not having any effect anymore, and Mine play doesn't happen because the collosus opener is still so powerful.


You need data to support your balance whine. You have no data to support anything post-patch. It is just unadulterated QQ.

ok if you think widowmines/hellbats will epicly change TvP, we can w8 another few months of terrans being slaughtered or pulling scvs desperately and look from there. I am just glad I dont play anymore ^^
aka Kalevi
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
July 01 2014 11:59 GMT
#1000
On July 01 2014 20:55 Faust852 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 20:53 Salient wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:49 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 01 2014 20:48 Faust852 wrote:
And against code S protoss too plz, not code B wcs EU.

I sort of implied that, but let's just be sure he gets us good data, right? It happens repeatedly, so shouldn't be a problem!
I'm so excited to learn of this magic that is Taeja's repeated TvP Lategame wins!


Go watch MLG and Homestory Cup. 17-0 with wins against Liquid Hero and MC among others. TL thought so highly of Hero's PvT that it did an article about it after IEM Cologne.

Yeah he beats so many code S protoss korean i'm blaffed.


Code S champions don't stop being Koreans or Code S level players when they leave Korea to play in another region. Jaedong, MC, and Taeja, etc. Did not become foreigners by selecting another region. Maru will not be less good when EG buys him someday.
Prev 1 48 49 50 51 52 69 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
INu's Battles
11:00
INu's Battles#15
Classic vs ByuN
SHIN vs ByuN
IntoTheiNu 212
LiquipediaDiscussion
Escore
10:00
Week 5
LiquipediaDiscussion
Replay Cast
09:00
PiGosaur Cup #72
CranKy Ducklings150
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko258
ProTech136
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3920
Britney 3297
Calm 3277
firebathero 515
Mini 408
Shuttle 375
actioN 292
BeSt 268
Leta 263
Zeus 215
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 197
Hyun 182
Hyuk 161
Soma 138
Larva 131
Light 124
Killer 100
ggaemo 99
Snow 95
Soulkey 86
ToSsGirL 85
ZerO 79
Hm[arnc] 76
Pusan 68
hero 59
Rush 55
Backho 45
Sharp 44
NotJumperer 36
sSak 36
Free 25
yabsab 24
Shinee 23
scan(afreeca) 22
Barracks 19
Sexy 18
[sc1f]eonzerg 17
910 17
Shine 17
Nal_rA 16
zelot 14
Terrorterran 14
IntoTheRainbow 12
soO 12
sorry 12
GoRush 11
Sacsri 8
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
JulyZerg 7
SilentControl 6
Sea.KH 5
Dota 2
resolut1ontv 1630
XcaliburYe291
monkeys_forever280
League of Legends
JimRising 398
Other Games
singsing1864
crisheroes212
Happy209
B2W.Neo202
NeuroSwarm80
MindelVK17
ZerO(Twitch)14
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream137
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 69
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP40
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• escodisco3797
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1545
• TFBlade1529
• Stunt497
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 51m
Big Brain Bouts
4h 51m
Replay Cast
12h 51m
Replay Cast
21h 51m
RSL Revival
22h 51m
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
23h 51m
IPSL
1d 4h
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 12h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
IPSL
2 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL
4 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
5 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
Replay Cast
6 days
Escore
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-29
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.