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Keep "my game is better than yours"-slapfights out of this. If the discussion devolves into simple bashing, this thread will be closed.
wishr
Profile Joined February 2012
Russian Federation262 Posts
May 14 2014 19:55 GMT
#301
1st thing i must say is that i really love and enjoy the WarCraft world and all fantasy stuff.
2nd thing is that i really love heroes in (!)strategy only games. WC3 was a good example of heroes and fantasy universe.
I really hope Blizz would make WC4 in future. Really really hope and believe...
* Only girls complain about balance! *
urboss
Profile Joined September 2013
Austria1223 Posts
May 14 2014 19:57 GMT
#302
I'm hoping for StarCraft 3 with Age of Mythology units...
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16752 Posts
May 14 2014 20:03 GMT
#303
On May 15 2014 04:57 urboss wrote:
I'm hoping for StarCraft 3 with Age of Mythology units...


for the RTS genre.. in the past 3 years and 10 months Blizzard has produced the Hellbat, the Oracle and 25 campaign missions.

WOW, what an incredible amount of new content for the RTS genre. ( notice i didn't say WoW)

and LotV is years away.
there is nothing about it any where. don't expect anything at Blizzcon.

so that 3 years and 10 months will grow to about 6 years or maybe 7.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
May 14 2014 20:05 GMT
#304
There is only one problem with SC2 the gameplay and depth fell flat from expectations of all the players from BW which seriously was the biggest following out of any game to exist from around the world as well as KR.

Personally I hope they revamp everything in LOTV and just make a game with depth for all races instead of 2 out of 3 races.....
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
May 14 2014 20:16 GMT
#305
How can anyone say that dota2 lacks strategy depth?
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
May 14 2014 20:26 GMT
#306
On May 15 2014 04:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Dustin is the game design lead for SC2, and he is going where the money is.
the expansion is taking so long its leading guys like u to make idle speculation.

Taking so long? One year has passed since the last one. We will hear about it at Blizzcon.

You know nothing, JimmyJ!
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 14 2014 20:35 GMT
#307
On May 15 2014 05:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 04:57 urboss wrote:
I'm hoping for StarCraft 3 with Age of Mythology units...


for the RTS genre.. in the past 3 years and 10 months Blizzard has produced the Hellbat, the Oracle and 25 campaign missions.

WOW, what an incredible amount of new content for the RTS genre. ( notice i didn't say WoW)

and LotV is years away.
there is nothing about it any where. don't expect anything at Blizzcon.

so that 3 years and 10 months will grow to about 6 years or maybe 7.


I recall reading that World of Warcraft constitutes 80% of Blizzard's profits. I can see why they would continually make WoW content but not non-stop RTS content where they had to sue people in order to have some level of control on the product.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16752 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 20:41:48
May 14 2014 20:39 GMT
#308
On May 15 2014 05:26 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 04:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Dustin is the game design lead for SC2, and he is going where the money is.
the expansion is taking so long its leading guys like u to make idle speculation.

Taking so long? One year has passed since the last one. We will hear about it at Blizzcon.

You know nothing, JimmyJ!


a single $40 expansion in 4 years ain't much revenue.

thanks for your big prediction.
we can revisit this in November. i predict no LotV content @ Blizzcon 2014 and LOTS of MOBA content at Blizzcon 2014.

the team is working on the MOBA not on LotV.

now, just because i believe you are incorrect in this one fairly meaningless matter does not mean i'd extend that to a ridiculous degree by saying "you know nothing".

i'll leave the baffoonery to you.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25599 Posts
May 14 2014 20:42 GMT
#309
I'd be quite happy to see Blizzard botch Heros hardcore if it brings forth a better LoTV
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
May 14 2014 20:43 GMT
#310
On May 15 2014 05:05 Pirfiktshon wrote:
There is only one problem with SC2 the gameplay and depth fell flat from expectations of all the players from BW which seriously was the biggest following out of any game to exist from around the world as well as KR.

Personally I hope they revamp everything in LOTV and just make a game with depth for all races instead of 2 out of 3 races.....


Warcraft 3 was bigger outside korea. AOE was as well, iirc. Mario is a bigger brand, COD, Madden, Sonic, Zelda, etc...

There were MANY games that were bigger than Broodwar.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
May 14 2014 20:48 GMT
#311
On May 15 2014 05:39 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 05:26 Sapphire.lux wrote:
On May 15 2014 04:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Dustin is the game design lead for SC2, and he is going where the money is.
the expansion is taking so long its leading guys like u to make idle speculation.

Taking so long? One year has passed since the last one. We will hear about it at Blizzcon.

You know nothing, JimmyJ!


thanks for your big prediction.
we can revisit this in November. i predict no LotV content @ Blizzcon 2014 and LOTS of MOBA content at Blizzcon 2014.

the team is working on the MOBA not on LotV.

now, just because i believe you are incorrect in this one fairly meaningless matter does not mean i'd extend that to a ridiculous degree by saying "you know nothing".

i'll leave the baffoonery to you.

Not of fan of Game of Thrones then? "baffoonery" lol

It's not out the the realm of possibility that LOTV will not be at Blizzcon, but even so, it will come. Going all doomsday about it is strange considering we've had a game release just one year ago plus the unprecedented Blizzard involvement and financial support through WSC.

If it were up to me i would overhaul SC2 in the next exp. and test the crap out of it for a 2016 release.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
May 14 2014 20:53 GMT
#312
Games focused on team/social play have usually eclipsed the popularity 1v1 focused games. Look at Quake 3 vs. CS, classic RTS vs moba. Playing multiplayer has always been a niche... your average casual gamer plays the single player and never touches the multi. Team-based games lower the barrier for people who don't usually play online for many reasons. Unfortunately, team melee in sc2 is pretty bad, the arcade was undercooked, and the social features of bnet were nonexistent for a long time. Popular competitive multiplayer games are exceptions to the rule regardless of how hardcore or casual the game's mechanics are.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
May 14 2014 20:54 GMT
#313
On May 15 2014 04:55 wishr wrote:
1st thing i must say is that i really love and enjoy the WarCraft world and all fantasy stuff.
2nd thing is that i really love heroes in (!)strategy only games. WC3 was a good example of heroes and fantasy universe.
I really hope Blizz would make WC4 in future. Really really hope and believe...

It'll come in like 6+ years and will be F2P and have a shit ton of skins and cosmetic crap.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
May 14 2014 21:00 GMT
#314
On May 15 2014 05:54 ZAiNs wrote:
and will be F2P and have a shit ton of skins and cosmetic crap.

people want free content. it's the market that has spoken, and game developers are only doing what they have to to stay alive
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
May 14 2014 21:03 GMT
#315
On May 15 2014 05:54 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 04:55 wishr wrote:
1st thing i must say is that i really love and enjoy the WarCraft world and all fantasy stuff.
2nd thing is that i really love heroes in (!)strategy only games. WC3 was a good example of heroes and fantasy universe.
I really hope Blizz would make WC4 in future. Really really hope and believe...

It'll come in like 6+ years and will be F2P and have a shit ton of skins and cosmetic crap.



After LotV has been played out, I assume they'll start (or continue) on a WC4.
StarCraft | www.psistorm.com | www.twitter.com/MistakesSC | www.twitch.tv/MistakesSC | Seattle
Burka
Profile Joined May 2014
2 Posts
May 14 2014 21:05 GMT
#316
Have you guys not heard of Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance? It's been around since 2007 and is very focused on strategic play. You can play with up to 1000 units per player and the economy is more in-depth than those of RA or SC2.
frajen86
Profile Joined February 2014
168 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-14 21:13:34
May 14 2014 21:08 GMT
#317
On May 15 2014 04:23 Desum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2014 03:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
no one has found a way to monetize competitive multiplayer because the audience just won't pay for it. they'll pirate it for free.


Hahaha get a load of this guy, Valve sold over 10 million dollars of the TI4 compendiums in less than 3 days. Valve found a way to monetize competitive multiplayer, its called dotaTV and its a huge success. Mimicking their market model wouldn't be difficult at all for Blizzard, alls you need is cosmetics, in-game spectating, and fantasy leagues built into the engine.

fixed (in the nested quote)... I didn't say it! ; )

On May 15 2014 06:00 Waise wrote:
people want free content. it's the market that has spoken, and game developers are only doing what they have to to stay alive

Starter Edition is free!

I kind of agree that's the direction everything is going, but... something like a million people bought HotS in the first 2 days, and at ~$40 right? So people were willing to pay for the game. That still amazes me. Who knows, maybe by the time LotV comes out it'll be like 200,000 people. But if it's a million again...
TMOUllrich
Profile Joined February 2011
England59 Posts
May 14 2014 21:18 GMT
#318
Well the rumour mills have been turning that AoE4 is in the works. Job offers from microsoft for a triple A "well-loved strategy game franchise" that they own ... they only own one ... age of empires.

The recent releases of AoE2HD and AOMEE were microsoft just testing the waters to see how much interest the franchise commands, they didn't just release them for the $$$
Burka
Profile Joined May 2014
2 Posts
May 14 2014 21:20 GMT
#319
AoE4 would be great if they drop the bullshit trading cards that ruined AoE3.
TMOUllrich
Profile Joined February 2011
England59 Posts
May 14 2014 21:24 GMT
#320
On May 15 2014 06:20 Burka wrote:
AoE4 would be great if they drop the bullshit trading cards that ruined AoE3.


AoE3 didn't have trading cards ?

Are you talking about the home city shipment system ? Most people I've talked to like that.
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