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Russian Federation4295 Posts
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Shortly - this trick allows you to assign 2 workers to one mineral patch without clicking and without wandering one of workers to another mineral patch.
I've decided to create separated thread for this trick, because it contains two another unpopular tricks also. The first one is assigning 3 and more hotkeys to any of your commands, and the second one is Rapid-fire command, called "Choose Ability or AI Target", which allows you rapid smart cast of any ability in the game without clicking and by just holding one key with mouse cursor over target. Another reason for separated thread is because this trick can be used by all races.
Jakatak already did many videos about Rapid-fire trick, and you can watch most of them on his YouTube channel. Here you can see demonstration of Rapid-fire mining trick.
Method through hotkeys file![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ISJjtIi.png)
- Determine what hotkey you have right now for "Gather" command
- Remember that hotkey and go here:
\ Users \ <Windows username> \ Documents \ StarCraft II \ <YourNickname.000@0> \ <Go up in folders> \ Hotkeys \ .SC2Hotkeys - open it through Notepad
- Find TargetChoose parameter
- Add "Gather" hotkey to this parameter after comma. It should look like this
- Do not change "Choose Ability or AI Target" hotkeys in the game options, otherwise it will revert number of hotkeys for this command to default two ones. Since you may use it for many different actions (e.g. creep spread or inject), it may have 3 or more hotkeys
- In the game try to test it. Select two workers and assign them to one mineral patch. One of workers usually will try to gather minerals from the nearest mineral patch, so select this wandering worker and hold Gather command while mouse overing mineral patch. You will see that wandering worker will not go away from mineral patch even a millimeter
Method through ingame settings
- Determine what hotkey you have right now for "Gather" command. You can view it through ingame hotkeys.
- Find "Choose Ability or AI Target" command in General in your Hotkey options
- Bind "Gather" hotkey to that "Choose target" command
- In the game try to test it. Select two workers and assign them to one mineral patch. One of workers usually will try to gather minerals from the nearest mineral patch, so select this wandering worker and hold Gather command while mouse overing mineral patch. You will see that wandering worker will not go away from mineral patch even a millimeter
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Is this tournament legal? like if i were going to go to a lan would i be able to do this?
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Canada8158 Posts
On May 07 2014 07:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Is this tournament legal? like if i were going to go to a lan would i be able to do this?
same questions
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"[Settings]
[Hotkeys]
ArmySelect=OEM8
TargetChoose=LeftMouseButton,C
CameraSave0=Control+F2
CameraSave1=Control+F3
CameraSave2=Control+F4
CameraSave3=Control+F5
CameraSave4=Control+F6
CameraSave5=Control+F7
CameraSave6=Control+F8
CameraView0=F2
CameraView1=F3
CameraView2=F4
CameraView3=F5
CameraView4=F6
CameraView5=F7
CameraView6=F8
[Commands]
Transfusion/Queen=T"
My Hotkey document only has this in it :/, any ideas why?
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This sounds like its outside of the blizz parameters of not tampering with the in game set up, as per their ToSA. Idk about this, and I wouldn't really think this would be a good thing to abuse.
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worker stacking isnt even hard, really the game mechanics are already too easy compared to broodwar. why make it worse?
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On May 07 2014 07:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Is this tournament legal? like if i were going to go to a lan would i be able to do this?
Configuring your hotkeys is illegal? Such a strange question.
My Hotkey document only has this in it :/, any ideas why?
You can have other commands with different hotkeys. You have TargetChoose and can assing any hotkeys to it, or replace C, or add other hotkeys to it with commas
worker stacking isnt even hard, really the game mechanics are already too easy compared to broodwar. why make it worse?
Worser or simpler?
This sounds like its outside of the blizz parameters of not tampering with the in game set up, as per their ToSA. Idk about this, and I wouldn't really think this would be a good thing to abuse.
Blizzard tech support recommends you to modify variables.txt when it's needed. Those parameters are just flat-text representation of your ingame hotkey settings. No difference where you can configure them - in the game settings or via text file.
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Pros do stuff like this all the time, if you're still wondering if it's tournament legal ask your tournament admin.
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On May 07 2014 08:36 Existor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 07:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Is this tournament legal? like if i were going to go to a lan would i be able to do this? Configuring your hotkeys is illegal? Such a strange question.
Obviously this is a little more than just changing hotkeys, since you're modifying a game file. It seems to me that any change Blizzard intended a user to be able to make it, would be an option in the game UI. If you go outside the game UI, you're requiring special knowledge in order to gain an in-game advantage over someone who does not have the special knowledge.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
Obviously this is a little more than just changing hotkeys, since you're modifying a game file
Modifying variables and hotkey files is legal, since those files are your personal files that are located on Documents. TOS is against modifying ingame files, that are located in SC2 folder.
You can't edit ingame UI or do any cheating through your personal Documents/StarCraft 2 folder, since that folder contains only your ingame settings, replays, custom observer interfaces, hotkeys, screenshots.
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Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On May 07 2014 08:04 NFxJehuty wrote:
"[Settings]
[Hotkeys]
ArmySelect=OEM8
TargetChoose=LeftMouseButton,C
CameraSave0=Control+F2
CameraSave1=Control+F3
CameraSave2=Control+F4
CameraSave3=Control+F5
CameraSave4=Control+F6
CameraSave5=Control+F7
CameraSave6=Control+F8
CameraView0=F2
CameraView1=F3
CameraView2=F4
CameraView3=F5
CameraView4=F6
CameraView5=F7
CameraView6=F8
[Commands]
Transfusion/Queen=T"
My Hotkey document only has this in it :/, any ideas why?
Those aren't the default ones right? Only thing I can think of is that it's only got the changes you've made from the defaults in that particular file?
Cool trick, seems a bit minimal in terms of difference made and I enjoy my mineral rally spam but it is cool to see experiments in making certain commands more efficient
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
Those aren't the default ones right?
Those hotkeys you can bind through ingame options. Once you bind them, they appear in this file. So if you bind through this file, they will appear as bound hotkeys in game settings too. Nothing magic, illegal or special here.
Only thing I can think of is that it's only got the changes you've made from the defaults in that particular file?
Yes, it shows you only modified hotkeys. If there are no hotkeys - it uses default ones that current hotkey scheme uses as basis. Remember when you're creating new hotkey scheme you selecting base hotkey profile after name?
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greatest discovery of all time.
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i wil give a try
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Northern Ireland25875 Posts
Edit- Nvm didn't read properly
You explained what I was trying to articulate only a lot more clearly Existor
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Norway839 Posts
This could be named 'rapid fire worker stacking' instead of 'rapid fire mining', might be more accurate and to the purpose of the technique 
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This... seems pretty useful. Good find
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On May 07 2014 09:38 Liquid`Snute wrote:This could be named 'rapid fire worker stacking' instead of 'rapid fire mining', might be more accurate and to the purpose of the technique
Probably you're right, but Rapid-fire Mining sounds more like "Wow wow, there is another interesting trick", when "Rapid-fire Worker stacking" isn't that clear for newer players
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On May 07 2014 09:38 Liquid`Snute wrote:This could be named 'rapid fire worker stacking' instead of 'rapid fire mining', might be more accurate and to the purpose of the technique
why not call it ' Ultra Rapid Fire Worker Stacking' ))
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Good find, but I think this would be working against you. I mean you are basically saying that you want to keep pressed ur gather key while keeping ur mouse cursor over the mineral patch till the worker starts working after the first one. What advantage do you actually gain doing all that ? You still have ur apm availability tied till the 2nd worker starts mining, and only thing I can see is that you might PREFER to do it that way, but honestly I dont think thats easier in any way. I actually think is preference, cuz myself id find it annoying having to keep a keyboard pressed, and im fine just spaming right click. And for pros, tournaments they wouldnt allow them to modify any files at all.
tldr: I think you gain no advantage from it, and at most it could be a personal preference thing. You still have your actions tied till the 2nd worker starts mining.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
What advantage do you actually gain doing all that ?
You just not clicking and worker does not trying to go away. There is no single word about advatange from it. It just makes your life a bit less annoying by lowering one of small annoying things
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On May 07 2014 12:33 Existor wrote:You just not clicking and worker does not trying to go away. There is no single word about advatange from it. It just makes your life a bit less annoying by lowering one of small annoying things
None. There is no advantage versus the stack trick. This trick purely for convenience.
Existor may want to include that in OP and maybe reassure that this isn't illegal, as I can already imagine several more 'isn;t this illegal' posts lol. Cute trick man.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
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Thanks for this! I had asked about it in Jakatak's thread, but I'll be trying this tonight or tomorrow and see if I prefer it over the spam click method.
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Or just use stop command and right click. No spamming, no messing with hotkeys.
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On May 07 2014 09:38 Liquid`Snute wrote:This could be named 'rapid fire worker stacking' instead of 'rapid fire mining', might be more accurate and to the purpose of the technique
This may be a bit too detailed, but do you think "worker stacking" is better than "worker pairing"? Is stacking the most common way to describe this type of thing? I just picked pairing because I thought it was most common, but I'd like to know if I was incorrect in thinking this.
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Glorious, thanks for explaining how to achieve this
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On May 07 2014 08:54 Existor wrote:Show nested quote +Obviously this is a little more than just changing hotkeys, since you're modifying a game file Modifying variables and hotkey files is legal, since those files are your personal files that are located on Documents. TOS is against modifying ingame files, that are located in SC2 folder. You can't edit ingame UI or do any cheating through your personal Documents/StarCraft 2 folder, since that folder contains only your ingame settings, replays, custom observer interfaces, hotkeys, screenshots.
To add to this already excellent response:
The files being modified in this case is a configure file, not a game file. Any variable or combination of actions put into a configuration file is parsed and compiled through an actual game file which holds predefined functionality. If it can be done through the config file it also means that the functionality already exists in the in-game files and that Blizzard has allowed people to actually access those functions.
Example of illegal would be to actually change the in-game file that parsed and compiled the actions defined in the config file by actually giving access,adding or altering functions in the core game.
An example would be maphack:
As it is right now you cannot see what the other opponent is doing in multiplayer, the functionality for it exists but the game won't let you have access to it nor are there any config commands that can be created in a settings file or by a command prompt in game. The only way to access this is to actually hack the game itself by altering the core functionality in the game and rewrite the functions where you add access to it either through a settings file or by a command in-game.
In summary The config files and command prompts are interfaces created for the users where they can access functionality to customize their gaming experience and right now the interface allows users to actually change this. If it's considered cheating or unfair advantage then Blizzard can simply remove that customization option from the interface so that the user no longer can access it.
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On May 07 2014 12:33 Existor wrote:You just not clicking and worker does not trying to go away. There is no single word about advatange from it. It just makes your life a bit less annoying by lowering one of small annoying things
That is my point, its a preference thing, for me having to do all those things and get used to that is far more annoying that spaming right click.
The last video explains it much better, Im pretty sure u can still do perpendicular and spam right click, so again its still about preference, if u prefer to hold down a key rather than spam right click, then this is awesome for you, just not for me
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This isn't even hard to do or learn...
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Also, If you have any ideas or discussion about this and any other rapid fire application, there is a full
Rapid Fire Thread here.
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On May 07 2014 07:56 Jer99 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 07:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Is this tournament legal? like if i were going to go to a lan would i be able to do this? same questions
Anything done within the game client is "legal"". Using 3rd party software, such as the infamous snipe abuse trick where you could rebind snipe to scroll down/up on your middle mouse wheel, is "illegal". This is according to the EULA you accept when you first play SC2. I guess each tournament is different though so you would have to ask the organizers.
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Fortunately Rapid Fire Snipe is just as good, if not better than using the scroll wheel and is legal
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On May 08 2014 05:17 netherh wrote:
Or just use stop command and right click. No spamming, no messing with hotkeys.
Click stop command, then click on the mineral, then click stop command.... repeat it many times untill 2nd drone start mine that mineral patch.
Still smart-cast / rapid-fire is better
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Can you have more than one function set to rapid fire? I use it to warp in zealots. Would this override the other use?
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On May 08 2014 09:15 Salient wrote:
Can you have more than one function set to rapid fire? I use it to warp in zealots. Would this override the other use?
Use the first method. You can see more than 2 hotkeys (left mouse button, grave, Q, A, and I can add more with commas) on same command
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fHHmKzr.png)
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On May 07 2014 09:38 Liquid`Snute wrote:This could be named 'rapid fire worker stacking' instead of 'rapid fire mining', might be more accurate and to the purpose of the technique
Yeah... I came here thinking you guys broke the game and was about to complain.
This isn't so bad... It's so not bad, that there's basically no difference from doing it compared to normal...
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So what's the big advantage? It still takes the same amount of time to stack two drones because you can't stop right clicking or pressing the hotkey you use until they're mining once the other drone is gone.
Edit: Sounds good for newer players then, but might not be beneficial at all for players that have gotten used to right clicking.
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On May 08 2014 11:10 Thalandros wrote:
So what's the big advantage? It still takes the same amount of time to stack two drones because you can't stop right clicking or pressing the hotkey you use until they're mining once the other drone is gone.
Edit: Sounds good for newer players then, but might not be beneficial at all for players that have gotten used to right clicking.
Watch the video. They're perfectly synced so they always stay together. A lot of the time when you do it 'normally' they'll be paired up for a few trips then split up again.
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Since blizzards new patch, this no longer works for me. Whenever I press the smart command hotkey binded to a key like G with the alternate command to click, it simply executes the command one time after holding down G. I have to spam G many times for it move.
Any fix?
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This got patched out with void. You have to bind something to gather that matches Choose Ability or AI target to get i to work now.
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This sounds like an aweful lot of concern for something that really isn't that important. Pro players sometimes micro manage their workers in the very early game, but it's mainly to warm up.
You can get to top masters easily without using this kind of stuff, and spending attention doing that will most certainly distract you from scouting correctly.
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On December 07 2015 09:31 JackONeill wrote:
This sounds like an aweful lot of concern for something that really isn't that important. Pro players sometimes micro manage their workers in the very early game, but it's mainly to warm up.
You can get to top masters easily without using this kind of stuff, and spending attention doing that will most certainly distract you from scouting correctly.
I mostly used it for runling run and other custom games where you have to move alot. Its way easier on my fingers to hold down a button than click.
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For someone who used this trick a lot: wouldn't this complicate things if your "gather" hotkey is the same as some other hotkey? Like, if gather is 'a', and you map "select target" to a, wouldn't this also mean every time you went to build a marine, you'd also left click? So in late-game you hit the hotkey for your barracks and hit 'a' a bunch of times, but your mouse cursor happens to pass over another unit, and you deselect the barracks. Isn't that what would happen?
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@christainS
nope! It only happens when the targeting icon comes up (also you can plan it not to conflict with things that would be a problem.
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