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EarthwormJim
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada94 Posts
May 07 2014 03:55 GMT
#21
On May 07 2014 12:33 Existor wrote:
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What advantage do you actually gain doing all that ?

You just not clicking and worker does not trying to go away. There is no single word about advatange from it. It just makes your life a bit less annoying by lowering one of small annoying things

None. There is no advantage versus the stack trick. This trick purely for convenience.

Existor may want to include that in OP and maybe reassure that this isn't illegal, as I can already imagine several more 'isn;t this illegal' posts lol. Cute trick man.
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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
May 07 2014 16:19 GMT
#22
Added Jakatak video about this trick

o29
Profile Joined November 2010
United States220 Posts
May 07 2014 19:53 GMT
#23
Thanks for this! I had asked about it in Jakatak's thread, but I'll be trying this tonight or tomorrow and see if I prefer it over the spam click method.
netherh
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom333 Posts
May 07 2014 20:17 GMT
#24
Or just use stop command and right click. No spamming, no messing with hotkeys.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
May 07 2014 20:56 GMT
#25
On May 07 2014 09:38 Liquid`Snute wrote:
This could be named 'rapid fire worker stacking' instead of 'rapid fire mining', might be more accurate and to the purpose of the technique


This may be a bit too detailed, but do you think "worker stacking" is better than "worker pairing"? Is stacking the most common way to describe this type of thing? I just picked pairing because I thought it was most common, but I'd like to know if I was incorrect in thinking this.
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
May 07 2014 21:08 GMT
#26
Glorious, thanks for explaining how to achieve this
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 21:37:31
May 07 2014 21:28 GMT
#27
On May 07 2014 08:54 Existor wrote:
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Obviously this is a little more than just changing hotkeys, since you're modifying a game file

Modifying variables and hotkey files is legal, since those files are your personal files that are located on Documents. TOS is against modifying ingame files, that are located in SC2 folder.

You can't edit ingame UI or do any cheating through your personal Documents/StarCraft 2 folder, since that folder contains only your ingame settings, replays, custom observer interfaces, hotkeys, screenshots.

To add to this already excellent response:
The files being modified in this case is a configure file, not a game file. Any variable or combination of actions put into a configuration file is parsed and compiled through an actual game file which holds predefined functionality. If it can be done through the config file it also means that the functionality already exists in the in-game files and that Blizzard has allowed people to actually access those functions.

Example of illegal would be to actually change the in-game file that parsed and compiled the actions defined in the config file by actually giving access,adding or altering functions in the core game.

An example would be maphack:
As it is right now you cannot see what the other opponent is doing in multiplayer, the functionality for it exists but the game won't let you have access to it nor are there any config commands that can be created in a settings file or by a command prompt in game. The only way to access this is to actually hack the game itself by altering the core functionality in the game and rewrite the functions where you add access to it either through a settings file or by a command in-game.

In summary The config files and command prompts are interfaces created for the users where they can access functionality to customize their gaming experience and right now the interface allows users to actually change this. If it's considered cheating or unfair advantage then Blizzard can simply remove that customization option from the interface so that the user no longer can access it.

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MadJack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Peru357 Posts
May 07 2014 21:43 GMT
#28
On May 07 2014 12:33 Existor wrote:
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What advantage do you actually gain doing all that ?

You just not clicking and worker does not trying to go away. There is no single word about advatange from it. It just makes your life a bit less annoying by lowering one of small annoying things


That is my point, its a preference thing, for me having to do all those things and get used to that is far more annoying that spaming right click.

The last video explains it much better, Im pretty sure u can still do perpendicular and spam right click, so again its still about preference, if u prefer to hold down a key rather than spam right click, then this is awesome for you, just not for me
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Tosster
Profile Joined August 2011
Poland299 Posts
May 07 2014 21:51 GMT
#29
This isn't even hard to do or learn...
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-07 22:09:56
May 07 2014 22:09 GMT
#30
Also, If you have any ideas or discussion about this and any other rapid fire application, there is a full
Rapid Fire Thread here.
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Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
May 07 2014 22:13 GMT
#31
On May 07 2014 07:56 Jer99 wrote:
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On May 07 2014 07:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Is this tournament legal? like if i were going to go to a lan would i be able to do this?


same questions



Anything done within the game client is "legal"". Using 3rd party software, such as the infamous snipe abuse trick where you could rebind snipe to scroll down/up on your middle mouse wheel, is "illegal". This is according to the EULA you accept when you first play SC2. I guess each tournament is different though so you would have to ask the organizers.
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JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
May 07 2014 22:22 GMT
#32
Fortunately Rapid Fire Snipe is just as good, if not better than using the scroll wheel and is legal
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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
May 07 2014 22:55 GMT
#33
On May 08 2014 05:17 netherh wrote:
Or just use stop command and right click. No spamming, no messing with hotkeys.

Click stop command, then click on the mineral, then click stop command.... repeat it many times untill 2nd drone start mine that mineral patch.

Still smart-cast / rapid-fire is better
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
May 08 2014 00:15 GMT
#34
Can you have more than one function set to rapid fire? I use it to warp in zealots. Would this override the other use?
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
May 08 2014 00:21 GMT
#35
On May 08 2014 09:15 Salient wrote:
Can you have more than one function set to rapid fire? I use it to warp in zealots. Would this override the other use?

Use the first method. You can see more than 2 hotkeys (left mouse button, grave, Q, A, and I can add more with commas) on same command

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RyLai
Profile Joined May 2011
United States477 Posts
May 08 2014 01:26 GMT
#36
On May 07 2014 09:38 Liquid`Snute wrote:
This could be named 'rapid fire worker stacking' instead of 'rapid fire mining', might be more accurate and to the purpose of the technique


Yeah... I came here thinking you guys broke the game and was about to complain.

This isn't so bad... It's so not bad, that there's basically no difference from doing it compared to normal...
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-08 02:11:24
May 08 2014 02:10 GMT
#37
So what's the big advantage? It still takes the same amount of time to stack two drones because you can't stop right clicking or pressing the hotkey you use until they're mining once the other drone is gone.


Edit: Sounds good for newer players then, but might not be beneficial at all for players that have gotten used to right clicking.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
May 08 2014 02:48 GMT
#38
On May 08 2014 11:10 Thalandros wrote:
So what's the big advantage? It still takes the same amount of time to stack two drones because you can't stop right clicking or pressing the hotkey you use until they're mining once the other drone is gone.


Edit: Sounds good for newer players then, but might not be beneficial at all for players that have gotten used to right clicking.

Watch the video. They're perfectly synced so they always stay together. A lot of the time when you do it 'normally' they'll be paired up for a few trips then split up again.
AkashSky
Profile Joined May 2014
United States257 Posts
December 07 2015 00:08 GMT
#39
Since blizzards new patch, this no longer works for me. Whenever I press the smart command hotkey binded to a key like G with the alternate command to click, it simply executes the command one time after holding down G. I have to spam G many times for it move.

Any fix?
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
December 07 2015 00:23 GMT
#40
This got patched out with void. You have to bind something to gather that matches Choose Ability or AI target to get i to work now.
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