EPTBlizzard's thoughts on Swarm Hosts - Page 24
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Connor987
United Kingdom103 Posts
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
And he resurrected on the third trimester.. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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saddaromma
1129 Posts
they are not doing really bad perse, but sc2 was slowly declining ever since its release. and balance teams' decisions were slow and mediocre at best. | ||
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Prugelhugel
Austria637 Posts
On May 07 2014 07:52 Scarx wrote: I mid be the only one who actually enjoys Swarm Host vs. Swarm Host... That's not true, SH vs SH is like watching Mech: Intense and fun to observe, but a pain in the a to play yourself/against. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
Don't Understand Why SH Isn't Removed For Chris Sake !!! I already knew this unit was going to be so fucking boring within the first day of HotS beta. I just don't understand why they just don't want to admit they're so fucking wrong and remove this worst designed unit ever. They just don't want to make further effort in redesigning the game and that is really pissing me off. I'm so fucking glad I'm not playing this game competitively anymore. Edit : While we're at it, why don't we want to get that fucking lurker back ? I don't care if we already have plenty of units to deal with marines and the likes. I just don't understand why they added this unit in bw then removed it on the next sequel. I'm truly speechless, really. Oh well, will stop there. But this David Kim's statement sure pissed me off. If I had to resume what he said, it's basically this : We perfectly understand your concerns (no sir you don't), and we're trying to work on it (meaning we're so damn lazy and won't do shit, instead we're going to nerf / buff less importants units so that we don't talk too much about the most important units and its removal / buff / nerf). It's been like this since forever. Always the same shit. I'm done. | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
I really can't take this anymore... | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On May 07 2014 17:43 RaiZ wrote: Agreed.I Don't Understand Why SH Isn't Removed For Chris Sake !!! I already knew this unit was going to be so fucking boring within the first day of HotS beta. I just don't understand why they just don't want to admit they're so fucking wrong and remove this worst designed unit ever. They just don't want to make further effort in redesigning the game and that is really pissing me off. I'm so fucking glad I'm not playing this game competitively anymore. I don't understand how SHs were even allowed into this game, let alone why they were kept after testing. It took a ton of incompetence to not see that SH's were a problem as soon as they were introduced. It's really enraging at how incompetent they were with this unit. They took out Warhounds (a more obviously stupid unit albeit), why couldn't they have removed Swarm Hosts? On May 07 2014 15:02 Tsubbi wrote: so basically instead of fixing the boring unit they want to adjust the fun unit that doesnt get used much anyways? blizzard please On May 07 2014 17:01 IMPrime wrote: WE THINK SWARM HOSTS ARE A PROBLEM! *cue patch that does absolutely nothing about swarm hosts* no kidding. | ||
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BlysK
Singapore48 Posts
- Either decreased locust hitpoints (by 10) OR - Is not affected by Upgrades. Either these nerfs will not change the game much and deal with the stalemate situation of the Swarmhosts... Anyone agree? or disagree or can point out why this is not viable i'd like to know  | ||
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Daswollvieh
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On May 07 2014 17:43 RaiZ wrote: I Don't Understand Why SH Isn't Removed For Chris Sake !!! I already knew this unit was going to be so fucking boring within the first day of HotS beta. I just don't understand why they just don't want to admit they're so fucking wrong and remove this worst designed unit ever. They just don't want to make further effort in redesigning the game and that is really pissing me off. I'm so fucking glad I'm not playing this game competitively anymore. Edit : While we're at it, why don't we want to get that fucking lurker back ? I don't care if we already have plenty of units to deal with marines and the likes. I just don't understand why they added this unit in bw then removed it on the next sequel. I'm truly speechless, really. Oh well, will stop there. But this David Kim's statement sure pissed me off. If I had to resume what he said, it's basically this : We perfectly understand your concerns (no sir you don't), and we're trying to work on it (meaning we're so damn lazy and won't do shit, instead we're going to nerf / buff less importants units so that we don't talk too much about the most important units and its removal / buff / nerf). It's been like this since forever. Always the same shit. I'm done. You can't just remove the Swarm Host because it would ruin other match-ups. On May 07 2014 17:58 BlysK wrote: i honestly feel the best thing they can do to balance the SH is to have it be a ''Tier 2 unit'' or a focused Mid game unit. - Is not affected by Upgrades. Either these nerfs will not change the game much and deal with the stalemate situation of the Swarmhosts... Anyone agree? or disagree or can point out why this is not viable i'd like to know Why do you think it would fix the stale-mate issue? IMO: I don't think it would fix ZvZ sh vs sh and would just make Swarm Hosts weaker in the other match-ups which is not what should be changed. On May 07 2014 17:55 insitelol wrote: It would be better if David Kim would stop posting about balance issues at all. Every time i read this i'm willing to shot myself. Started with adressing swarm hosts, ended up with another hydra buff and viper nerf. Does this even make any remote king of sense?! I always thought vipers were specialy designed to counter colosi and now what? What's the reason behind all this and how is this connected to SH?! Remove this fucking unit from the game already. NOONE NEEDS IT. Does blizzard honestly think that there are people who enjoy SH?! Well ofc they are some. But why whould we all try to balance the game around this mystical people?! Name yourself already. WHat king of special stratigic variety does this unit bring? SHould we sacrifice the whole gameplay for this?! Can't we bring variety to SC w/o such awefull designs?! I really can't take this anymore... Removing the Swarm Host affects other match-ups you can't just remove it. Buffing/nerfing other units is to try and make other units more/less desirable to use. In this case making the viper not be able to abduct massive units, brood lords would be a lot better and should counter swarm hosts making them less usable which will decrease the chances of swarm host vs swarm host. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
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Tuczniak
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
I laughed more than I should have ^^ | ||
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Penev
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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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BurningRanger
Germany303 Posts
Comparing it to Mech: You need the Tanks for ground control. You need some Hellbats as buffer and defense vs mass light units. You need at least Vikings as anti-air. Usually you should also have some Thors, Ravens and eventually some BCs maybe. Not to forget the missile turrets to keep bases alive. As Zerg you can stand on just Swarmhosts and Spores and that's it? How is that fair? On a sidenote: Mutas are quite similar. If the Zerg gets a critical mass, he doesn't need anything else. With the very flexible production mechanic I think we could expect from Zerg players to have some more variance in their unit compositions. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3561 Posts
Buffing the Hydralisk to do more damage against biological air only must be the ugliest change to a unit ever but it's a solution I guess.. But removing the + Bio on Spore Crawlers makes it go even. The fear I have with it, is that in a normal ZvZ game Broods will never see the light of day. Also people were laughing about Broodling fights in WoL, it's not that much better than Locust fight... | ||
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RyLai
United States477 Posts
The Abduct change absolutely must not go through. How the fuck would you deal with late game Sky Terran? You can't pick off any of the BCs anymore, you can only target Ravens. Conceptually, you shouldn't be able to abduct massive units (it doesn't make much sense to me where a flying unit that is smaller than a battleship can yank a BC). Realistically, we all know the best way is just to get rid of free units. | ||
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