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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:23:36
May 02 2014 18:22 GMT
#1


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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
May 02 2014 18:23 GMT
#2
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene
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saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
May 02 2014 18:24 GMT
#3
maybe we should create a thread for pro players to announce their retirement. /jk...
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3498 Posts
May 02 2014 18:27 GMT
#4
MB playing so much adds additional pressure in tournament settings, don't retire
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Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
May 02 2014 18:27 GMT
#5
Really hope he doesn't. He's a fun player to have around, I've casted him a couple times too! A LOT of players seem to have this ''syndrome'' of playing well on practice but NEVER performing at tourneys themselves. Really weird.
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effecto
Profile Joined February 2011
France142 Posts
May 02 2014 18:32 GMT
#6
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene

I agree with you.

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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
May 02 2014 18:33 GMT
#7
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene


you are a living proof


Maybe TargA needs to find solid practice partners, have more structure when it comes to practicing (TLO style) etc. Maybe take a few months off. It's so easy to call out retirement after a loss like that. Plus he says that he's still enjoying the game.
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
May 02 2014 18:36 GMT
#8
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene

Of course retirement means a lot. It means a player who we've enjoyed watching all this time is gone. I think the word is also acceptable to use when going from full time pro to part time.

Problem is gamers are the number 1 abusers of this word. They usually rage on twitter after a lose and now they're "retired."

In this case, it's a maybe so no need for a thread IMO.
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tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
May 02 2014 18:39 GMT
#9
Yeah, it doesnt mean that much, but it's also cuz the player doesn't know he'll come back later on. SOmetimes they find that they just needed an extended break for a while... Then they can come back and play again. Sometimes however, it's actually what they wanted or needed and they're fine to stay away.
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
May 02 2014 18:47 GMT
#10
Rofl, beaten into retirement by ToD.

Lots of retirements this week.
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nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
May 02 2014 18:51 GMT
#11
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:53:03
May 02 2014 18:52 GMT
#12
On May 03 2014 03:47 DinoMight wrote:
Rofl, beaten into retirement by ToD.

Lots of retirements this week.

idk this week but last 2 weeks:
TheStc
elfi (on break, possibly to retire)
Genius
Naama
TargA (?)


Am I missing someone?

Liquipedia says Blackcidy and SonG but they never were on same level as names I earlier said.
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
May 02 2014 18:53 GMT
#13
It says 'most likely' retiring, hasn't confirmed yet. Also just came right after a disappointing loss, give him some time to get his head together before he makes a real decision.

Thread should be closed/deleted until TargA makes a real decision.
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 02 2014 18:54 GMT
#14
On May 03 2014 03:51 nkr wrote:
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.


The thing is that the majority come back after a short period of time as if nothing has happened. They say they're retired and then keep showing up in qualifiers, hoping to make it into a big tournament to have a reason to come back. I mean at this point; I almost feel like "I'm retiring" is a way for a player to fool himself into playing without pressure for a while, rediscovering the passion for the game and then returning to being a pro.
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-02 18:55:29
May 02 2014 18:55 GMT
#15
If he really thinks he was playing that much better when practicing for just 1-2 hours a day, then maybe he should try reverting to that. Burnout is a real thing.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
May 02 2014 18:57 GMT
#16
On May 03 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:51 nkr wrote:
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.


The thing is that the majority come back after a short period of time as if nothing has happened. They say they're retired and then keep showing up in qualifiers, hoping to make it into a big tournament to have a reason to come back. I mean at this point; I almost feel like "I'm retiring" is a way for a player to fool himself into playing without pressure for a while, rediscovering the passion for the game and then returning to being a pro.

So true

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Currently a player for Prime
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
May 02 2014 18:57 GMT
#17
On May 03 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:51 nkr wrote:
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.


The thing is that the majority come back after a short period of time as if nothing has happened. They say they're retired and then keep showing up in qualifiers, hoping to make it into a big tournament to have a reason to come back. I mean at this point; I almost feel like "I'm retiring" is a way for a player to fool himself into playing without pressure for a while, rediscovering the passion for the game and then returning to being a pro.


also, hots is getting kinda old and pros are getting kinda sick of it
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 02 2014 18:59 GMT
#18
On May 03 2014 03:57 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:51 nkr wrote:
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.


The thing is that the majority come back after a short period of time as if nothing has happened. They say they're retired and then keep showing up in qualifiers, hoping to make it into a big tournament to have a reason to come back. I mean at this point; I almost feel like "I'm retiring" is a way for a player to fool himself into playing without pressure for a while, rediscovering the passion for the game and then returning to being a pro.


also, hots is getting kinda old and pros are getting kinda sick of it


That doesn't really explain why they keep coming back though
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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
May 02 2014 19:02 GMT
#19
ToD gained Incontrol's powers =(.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
May 02 2014 19:03 GMT
#20
On May 03 2014 03:59 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:57 Noonius wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:51 nkr wrote:
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.


The thing is that the majority come back after a short period of time as if nothing has happened. They say they're retired and then keep showing up in qualifiers, hoping to make it into a big tournament to have a reason to come back. I mean at this point; I almost feel like "I'm retiring" is a way for a player to fool himself into playing without pressure for a while, rediscovering the passion for the game and then returning to being a pro.


also, hots is getting kinda old and pros are getting kinda sick of it


That doesn't really explain why they keep coming back though

Hard to entirely change your life from one day to the next.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
May 02 2014 19:04 GMT
#21
On May 03 2014 03:33 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene


you are a living proof



loooool, perfect :D

But seriously, I think Nationwars won't be the last we see of Targa.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Moonsalt
Profile Joined May 2011
267 Posts
May 02 2014 19:06 GMT
#22
Sick series vs Morrow at DH Open Bucharest, pretty sad to hear this
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
May 02 2014 19:06 GMT
#23
Sad to hear. Maybe if he had found a more solid team after leaving dignitas then he might have done better but damn that sucks.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
May 02 2014 19:09 GMT
#24
Challenger is wrecking careers left and right
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
May 02 2014 19:09 GMT
#25
On May 03 2014 03:59 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:57 Noonius wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:51 nkr wrote:
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.


The thing is that the majority come back after a short period of time as if nothing has happened. They say they're retired and then keep showing up in qualifiers, hoping to make it into a big tournament to have a reason to come back. I mean at this point; I almost feel like "I'm retiring" is a way for a player to fool himself into playing without pressure for a while, rediscovering the passion for the game and then returning to being a pro.


also, hots is getting kinda old and pros are getting kinda sick of it


That doesn't really explain why they keep coming back though


what I meant was that players who are hovering around retirement right now will probably find new inspiration to make a proper push to come back when lotv is released
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
May 02 2014 19:13 GMT
#26
On May 03 2014 04:03 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:59 Zealously wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:57 Noonius wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:51 nkr wrote:
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.


The thing is that the majority come back after a short period of time as if nothing has happened. They say they're retired and then keep showing up in qualifiers, hoping to make it into a big tournament to have a reason to come back. I mean at this point; I almost feel like "I'm retiring" is a way for a player to fool himself into playing without pressure for a while, rediscovering the passion for the game and then returning to being a pro.


also, hots is getting kinda old and pros are getting kinda sick of it


That doesn't really explain why they keep coming back though

Hard to entirely change your life from one day to the next.


Naturally, but gradually scaling down the amount of matches you play has to be a better way to "retire" than abruptly stopping for a few weeks/months only to come back and have to start the process over again. I know that life-changing decisions don't come easy or are easy to stick to, but recurring comebacks only serve to make it worse.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 02 2014 19:19 GMT
#27
Not that it's any kind of consolation, but in my humble opinion he was the better iNcontroL.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
May 02 2014 19:20 GMT
#28
On May 03 2014 04:09 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:59 Zealously wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:57 Noonius wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:51 nkr wrote:
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.


The thing is that the majority come back after a short period of time as if nothing has happened. They say they're retired and then keep showing up in qualifiers, hoping to make it into a big tournament to have a reason to come back. I mean at this point; I almost feel like "I'm retiring" is a way for a player to fool himself into playing without pressure for a while, rediscovering the passion for the game and then returning to being a pro.


also, hots is getting kinda old and pros are getting kinda sick of it


That doesn't really explain why they keep coming back though


what I meant was that players who are hovering around retirement right now will probably find new inspiration to make a proper push to come back when lotv is released

Doubtful. HOTS is basically the same game as WOL minus the brood lord infestor. It's been the same game for 4 years. You either love it or you don't. If you're the kind of person who goes for new games, you'll be bored in 2 weeks anyway.

Not to mention, if they quit for a year, you would hope they would pursue some career and be too busy to just come back on a whim.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
May 02 2014 19:21 GMT
#29
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene

So good coming from you
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
architecture
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States643 Posts
May 02 2014 19:22 GMT
#30
Pretty easy to explain why people come back. Humans aren't purely rational.

They quit because of a combination of rational and emotional reasons (no results, it's pointless, losing feels bad) and come back because (they are missing the thrill, it's hard to find other things to fill their time with, it's something they are good at).

Pretty easy to understand with just a tiny bit of thought.
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shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
May 02 2014 19:24 GMT
#31
What if norway wins Nation war and TargA all kills team korea offline ?
RIP MKP
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2057 Posts
May 02 2014 19:25 GMT
#32
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene


I don't know if it ever did. The term retired is being used far too liberally in esports.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 02 2014 19:33 GMT
#33

Okay it's not exactly a retirement but it's close to it if he doesn't pull out good results soon
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
May 02 2014 19:38 GMT
#34
On May 03 2014 04:33 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/TargA01/status/462312648546467844
Okay it's not exactly a retirement but it's close to it if he doesn't pull out good results soon


Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
MidnightZL
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden203 Posts
May 02 2014 21:34 GMT
#35
On May 03 2014 03:57 Noonius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:51 nkr wrote:
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.


The thing is that the majority come back after a short period of time as if nothing has happened. They say they're retired and then keep showing up in qualifiers, hoping to make it into a big tournament to have a reason to come back. I mean at this point; I almost feel like "I'm retiring" is a way for a player to fool himself into playing without pressure for a while, rediscovering the passion for the game and then returning to being a pro.


also, hots is getting kinda old and pros are getting kinda sick of it


I do not agree, why? if u look at how many years ppl played broodwars and ppl still playing it.. I just think ppl growing up and want to explore the life, not only sitting at the computer..
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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
May 02 2014 22:53 GMT
#36
On May 03 2014 04:25 herMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene


I don't know if it ever did. The term retired is being used far too liberally in esports.

this community mostly crowdsources its news, so if anyone is to blame for big deals being made of retirements it's us, the fans
riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
May 02 2014 22:55 GMT
#37
"who's next~
stay tuned for more retirements after this 'commercial break'...."
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Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
May 02 2014 23:01 GMT
#38
Never been a big fan of his, but that doesn't mean I'm happy that he's not seeing hard work pay off. Hopefully he finds some new motivation
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cythaze
Profile Joined June 2011
830 Posts
May 02 2014 23:07 GMT
#39
On May 03 2014 03:52 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:47 DinoMight wrote:
Rofl, beaten into retirement by ToD.

Lots of retirements this week.

idk this week but last 2 weeks:
TheStc
elfi (on break, possibly to retire)
Genius
Naama
TargA (?)


Am I missing someone?

Liquipedia says Blackcidy and SonG but they never were on same level as names I earlier said.


wat? Naama retired? Naama still played? damn...
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
May 02 2014 23:37 GMT
#40
On May 03 2014 03:54 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:51 nkr wrote:
Always sad to see players leave but I feel sc2 will be in a healthier place with more retirements. There are way more progamers than what the scene can actually support.


The thing is that the majority come back after a short period of time as if nothing has happened. They say they're retired and then keep showing up in qualifiers, hoping to make it into a big tournament to have a reason to come back. I mean at this point; I almost feel like "I'm retiring" is a way for a player to fool himself into playing without pressure for a while, rediscovering the passion for the game and then returning to being a pro.

They just want hugs.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
May 03 2014 08:15 GMT
#41
Hm...don't do it man :/
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SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
May 03 2014 10:30 GMT
#42
a bit of bad mood can happen after being eliminated from Challenger League... I hope TargA will not retire soon
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-03 11:12:43
May 03 2014 11:12 GMT
#43
On May 03 2014 04:33 Fusilero wrote:
https://twitter.com/TargA01/status/462312648546467844
Okay it's not exactly a retirement but it's close to it if he doesn't pull out good results soon

Totally thread worthy.

As much as I'm a fan of Targa, these things should be kept to twitter/reddit.
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
May 03 2014 11:59 GMT
#44
On May 03 2014 04:06 Moonsalt wrote:
Sick series vs Morrow at DH Open Bucharest, pretty sad to hear this


Yeah that was great all the way through. I also saw Tod vs Targa the other night, and ofc, when you start accumulate losses like this I think it is easy to lose some self esteem. Everyone needs to take a big victory now and then. Come on Targa, we know you have it in you, get that beast out and start crushing again! For the swarm!
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
May 03 2014 12:07 GMT
#45
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene

simply cause after a while people realize they would have to really work , you know like real life work. so they come back
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
May 03 2014 12:08 GMT
#46
On May 03 2014 21:07 MotherOfRunes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene

simply cause after a while people realize they would have to really work , you know like real life work. so they come back

And some people just have fun playing the game, as crazy as that sounds.
Off-season = best season
MotherOfRunes
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2862 Posts
May 03 2014 12:58 GMT
#47
On May 03 2014 21:08 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 21:07 MotherOfRunes wrote:
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene

simply cause after a while people realize they would have to really work , you know like real life work. so they come back

And some people just have fun playing the game, as crazy as that sounds.

and not having fun doing real life work....no sounds not crazy at all
"Your Razor sucks!" -Kuroky's Dad
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
May 03 2014 13:13 GMT
#48
On May 03 2014 21:07 MotherOfRunes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2014 03:23 Lorning wrote:
Retiring doesn't really mean anything anymore in the SC2 scene

simply cause after a while people realize they would have to really work , you know like real life work. so they come back

I often wonder how much this factors in as well. Most pros sacrifice education for having a shot at (often very short lasting) esports fame so they either have to find a job in a labour market that has no use for their skillset or go back to school, which means a couple of years of having no income.
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