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On March 22 2014 23:56 WOPR wrote: i dare him to say those things infront of polish ppl. so bold.. so bold behind the internet. id like him to say it to me face-2-face...ill show how pols do.. im polish fyi
The ironing is delicious.
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Very interesting interview, wish they'd talk more about the booth issue though
On March 22 2014 08:38 paddyz wrote:The player doesn't work for me 
He doesn't work for anyone, he got fired!
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On March 23 2014 04:49 LaNague wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 16:18 Malphite wrote: I don't understand what all the hate is on thorin. IT'S CALLED AN OPINION.
an opinion about every single person of an ethnicity based on where they were born is pretty much the definition of racism. If you want to talk strictly about definitions, racism refers to the belief that one race is superior to another. What you described is a stereotype.
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Dominican Republic611 Posts
On March 22 2014 21:40 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 21:33 KaiserJohan wrote: Thanks for the interview thorin.
Really hope one day people will stop being so sensitive. So sensitive, yeah.... I actually found what he said, I won't put his words here but I will provide a link for people who missed it (like I did). http://www.esportsheaven.com/news/64245/thorin-from-unfiltered-to-unemployed^ You think judging statements like these is being overly sensitive?
and people got offended by this? lol he didnt say anything bad, he just said what everyone knows.
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On March 22 2014 08:57 Cheren wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 08:52 Ammanas wrote:On March 22 2014 07:44 Darkhorse wrote:On March 22 2014 07:39 darkscream wrote: Huh, the two guys that got burned by/burned themselves out of IEM got together and did something productive.
Good on them both. Kinda think both of these guys burned themselves with IEM. For those wondering what the "racist" comment about Thorin was about, http://www.esportsheaven.com/news/64245/thorin-from-unfiltered-to-unemployed. Judge the comments for yourself I guess I dunno where I stand on them. Funny thing is, most of what he said is actually true. I don't see how anyone in Poland can be offended by those comments, it's true. And it's true for them, it's true for my country (Slovakia), it's true for Czech Republic, Ukraine, all the ex-Soviet Union states. Poland is probably the most developed out of all of them, but we all still have A LOT to catch up to (and also there is a lot of what just can stay in the west and shouldn't ever come). Show nested quote +“Put it this way, it’s another place also where there’s constantly news stories where at their football games they have straight up racism aimed at all black players, with the whole crowd like chanting stuff or throwing banana peels. That happened like 50 years ago in the developed European countries - that shit happens, like, now in Poland.” It's disappointing that someone who calls out actual racism gets called a racist.
It would be better if he could do so without being so hypocritical. "50 years ago in the developed European countries" - what the fuck? That stuff still happens in France, Italy, Germany, Spain TODAY. To write off racism as some unique Polish issue while ignoring it happening all around you is both insulting to Poles and disgustingly ignorant of the state of the "developed world" he gets to live in.
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I actually find it quite ironic that someone from the UK would make those comments. Having been to the UK a few times and also been friends with a few englishmen for several years, I can safely say that it's one of the more xenophobic countries. Hasn't a very xenophobic, borderline racist, political movement gathered a lot of support the past years? I also have a view, albeit not supported by any evidence, that the social security and general welfare of the UK is a LOT lower than many western european countries. Being from scandinavia, I was a bit shocked with the state of some areas of London. Did not expect to see such things in the "developed world".
Still love England though, mostly for the football
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Naniwa is good cup, gotta have haters to have lovers in the end
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Like like like like like like a really good interview.
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On March 23 2014 06:35 goofyballer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 08:57 Cheren wrote:On March 22 2014 08:52 Ammanas wrote:On March 22 2014 07:44 Darkhorse wrote:On March 22 2014 07:39 darkscream wrote: Huh, the two guys that got burned by/burned themselves out of IEM got together and did something productive.
Good on them both. Kinda think both of these guys burned themselves with IEM. For those wondering what the "racist" comment about Thorin was about, http://www.esportsheaven.com/news/64245/thorin-from-unfiltered-to-unemployed. Judge the comments for yourself I guess I dunno where I stand on them. Funny thing is, most of what he said is actually true. I don't see how anyone in Poland can be offended by those comments, it's true. And it's true for them, it's true for my country (Slovakia), it's true for Czech Republic, Ukraine, all the ex-Soviet Union states. Poland is probably the most developed out of all of them, but we all still have A LOT to catch up to (and also there is a lot of what just can stay in the west and shouldn't ever come). “Put it this way, it’s another place also where there’s constantly news stories where at their football games they have straight up racism aimed at all black players, with the whole crowd like chanting stuff or throwing banana peels. That happened like 50 years ago in the developed European countries - that shit happens, like, now in Poland.” It's disappointing that someone who calls out actual racism gets called a racist. It would be better if he could do so without being so hypocritical. "50 years ago in the developed European countries" - what the fuck? That stuff still happens in France, Italy, Germany, Spain TODAY. To write off racism as some unique Polish issue while ignoring it happening all around you is both insulting to Poles and disgustingly ignorant of the state of the "developed world" he gets to live in. If he threw banana peels at people, he'd be hypocritical. The fact that it happens in other western European countries makes him factually wrong, not hypocritical. There's a difference.
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i would really like to hear an interview from state and his thoughts on the same questions. would be interesting to hear if hes getting help from players or is just there for the ladder. which i asked in his chat and said he likes being there not just for the ladder but now that hes been there a while would like to hear about it someone make this happen plz,
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So I am just getting around to this, and I just have to say that interviewers need to not use curse words. Even though profanities and vulgar language are common in this scene and industry in general, professionalism is a huge part of how people, both knowledgeable about esports and Starcraft and not, perceive the industry, and well-prepared, professional questions must be constructed. This doesn't mean the interviewee can't use them, because it's the person of interest, but if you want to portray a professional analysis and conversation with a "celebrity", you shouldn't swear.
It might be only a slight nitpick, but it's something he should work on improving.
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Canada16217 Posts
Thanks for the interview.
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On March 23 2014 05:01 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2014 03:48 lamprey1 wrote: i wonder how Guilliame Patry managed to break this barrier Koreans put up against foriegners?
any one know? learned their language, isn't that always what you should do if you wanna be accepted in another country?
is that what Idra, HuK, Naniwa etc etc did? they learned how to speak korean and immersed themselves in the culture?
or did they continue to speak english, or whatever their 1st language is and try to survive without learning to have a conversation in Korean?
one thing many sports teams do .... is imitate the champion.
On March 23 2014 08:10 vult wrote: So I am just getting around to this, and I just have to say that interviewers need to not use curse words. Even though profanities and vulgar language are common in this scene and industry in general, professionalism is a huge part of how people, both knowledgeable about esports and Starcraft and not, perceive the industry, and well-prepared, professional questions must be constructed. This doesn't mean the interviewee can't use them, because it's the person of interest, but if you want to portray a professional analysis and conversation with a "celebrity", you shouldn't swear.
i disagree, to get the best, most insightful interview, you mirror the subject of the interview. as a quick example, try speaking the queen's english in an interview with Alan Iverson and see what level of insight you get.
the Naniwa interview was a very insightful interview partially because of how well the intervewer mirrored his subject and made him feel relaxed so that he could open up about a lot of topics.
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As much as I hate him... I think he actually gives one of the best interviews cause hes always honest... I do enjoy his honestly and admire his work ethics..
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People are talking about learning korean as if it were as easy as making bread. when you're playing a demanding game like brood war 12+ hours a day, do you really have time to be practicing learning an entirely new language from ground 0? Any pro gamer who went to Korea to train and play SC had some real guts. They took a real risk and they did their best, it's People who pick on them for not learning the language are being idiots. I have nothing but respect for the foreigners who went to Korea to play SC, especially Idra, who at the time was alone in the team training house, couldn't speak Korean and he still had the guts to try to become a pro gamer under Kespa's reign. People who scoff at that are being stupid.
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god i always liked naniwa as a person
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Ahh I hate to be the guy who comes in and shits on everyone's game but I left the sc community a long time ago because of stuff like this and I recently came back to check it out I'm sad to see it hasn't gone away. E-Sports community in general has so many problems and it seems like no progress is being made. Players being manipulated, teams that aren't teams, drama etc. I came back and saw that things were actually going quite well in terms of viewership and tournament production. But I see that the problem is even when players or insiders try to reveal the problems that are going on they just get trashed and are viewed as traitors or whiners. So much complaining in every forum about people who are doing this for a living... giving you entertainment etc.
I only say this stuff because I obviously love the game and the community, otherwise I wouldn't care. But the community and game are beautiful and at the same time disgusting. But why does my opinion matter anyway... It's not like mine is important or something.. but maybe some people will listen and try to make the game and community better. Maybe even the mods would listen.. They ban people at a moment's notice when somebody complains about TL or balance, yet a few posts up a guy is fucking threatening violence on somebody else and there's nothing because the community has picked these two to hate on and complain about. I'm not surprised Naniwa and others, maybe Taeja (although I don't know if this is really what he feels) are fed up with the game and the community.
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Great interview!
Always as refreshing to hear Naniwas honesty, not only about most things, but also about himself! He really stands out among all the programers, he is a true analyser with honesty and and tries to deal with pure truth.
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It would be awesome if we could get a transript of this.
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On March 23 2014 22:47 And G wrote: It would be awesome if we could get a transript of this.
You want someone to take the time to type an hour of conversation so that you could read it instead of listening to it? You monster.
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