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LastManProductions
Profile Joined September 2013
United States252 Posts
April 03 2014 09:28 GMT
#341
That's good to hear, its always tough to see players sidelined because of injury.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
April 03 2014 09:29 GMT
#342
Great news to hear! Thanks Nazgul!
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ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
April 03 2014 09:37 GMT
#343
Yay! How has he changed his training regime?
Go TAEJA
Gowerly
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom916 Posts
April 03 2014 09:39 GMT
#344
You think you'll be able to convince him to work on keeping his wrist strength through physio and better practice, as TLO did?
I will reduce you to a series of numbers.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28512 Posts
April 03 2014 09:50 GMT
#345
"Sigh of relief"
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
April 03 2014 09:53 GMT
#346
Thanks for the update.

I want a lot more Taeja, but at the expense of his health?! What is this Sophie's choice bullshit! Obviously Taeja needs to find a way to not have hurt wrists anymore.
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
April 03 2014 10:02 GMT
#347
On April 03 2014 18:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Just a quick update. TaeJa's wrists were in really bad shape after IEM and he felt he needed to seriously reconsider being a progamer. It was definitely a more serious remark than the times before it. After a (much needed) break his wrists and mind have started to feel better and he has decided he to continue to play SC2. I can't predict how his wrists will keep up, but as long as he feels comfortable we will support him in that decision. In communciation with TaeJa we have decided to lower the intensity of his schedule so that in between tournaments he can focus on recovering in Korea.

As someone who has had wrist pain, I learned it is so important to exercise the arms regularly. It's much easier to prevent the problem from occurring from good habits then to "fix" the pain afterwards.

The topic of wrist health is so rarely talked about. I wonder what steps he is going to take to keep his wrists pain free.
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
April 03 2014 10:03 GMT
#348
As good as this is to hear, we should keep in mind that Taeja's wrist issues will never truly heal as long as he is a pro gamer. Keeping expectations of how long he will stick around to a realistic level is a good idea here.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
April 03 2014 10:10 GMT
#349
On April 03 2014 19:03 Squat wrote:
As good as this is to hear, we should keep in mind that Taeja's wrist issues will never truly heal as long as he is a pro gamer. Keeping expectations of how long he will stick around to a realistic level is a good idea here.

Well, TLO's wrists have seemed to have recovered so I think that as long as Taeja exercises regularly and doesn't strain himself then I think he could be okay to continue.
Go TAEJA
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
April 03 2014 10:12 GMT
#350
That's because he took an actual break, and while his wrists are better, they will never fully recover until he stops playing professionally. I am sorry, but that's just not how the human body works. Taeja is on a clock, and likely not a very long one.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Taronar
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands177 Posts
April 03 2014 10:19 GMT
#351
On April 03 2014 19:12 Squat wrote:
That's because he took an actual break, and while his wrists are better, they will never fully recover until he stops playing professionally. I am sorry, but that's just not how the human body works. Taeja is on a clock, and likely not a very long one.



Yes that is true till some extend, but you can really extend your clock with good equipment. I really look foward to see TaeJae play again. He is one of my favorite Terrans to watch and I really hope he can show us a lot more of great plays!
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Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
April 03 2014 10:20 GMT
#352
On April 03 2014 19:02 TRaFFiC wrote:
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On April 03 2014 18:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Just a quick update. TaeJa's wrists were in really bad shape after IEM and he felt he needed to seriously reconsider being a progamer. It was definitely a more serious remark than the times before it. After a (much needed) break his wrists and mind have started to feel better and he has decided he to continue to play SC2. I can't predict how his wrists will keep up, but as long as he feels comfortable we will support him in that decision. In communciation with TaeJa we have decided to lower the intensity of his schedule so that in between tournaments he can focus on recovering in Korea.

As someone who has had wrist pain, I learned it is so important to exercise the arms regularly. It's much easier to prevent the problem from occurring from good habits then to "fix" the pain afterwards.

The topic of wrist health is so rarely talked about. I wonder what steps he is going to take to keep his wrists pain free.


Hopefully he sees an actual doctor and does exercises etc.
I couldn't agree more with your post, regular exercise, even if you don't have much pain at all, is the best way to keep your wrists healthy. Personally, I keep slacking when it doesn't hurt at all and I do it a lot when it starts to hurt T.T
I can only recommend to anyone who has ever felt anything even close to pain in their wrists to do exercises on a daily basis.
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 10:48:38
April 03 2014 10:47 GMT
#353
On April 03 2014 19:12 Squat wrote:
That's because he took an actual break, and while his wrists are better, they will never fully recover until he stops playing professionally. I am sorry, but that's just not how the human body works. Taeja is on a clock, and likely not a very long one.


I'm not sure if this is true. I sure hope it is not. TLO is playing the best sc2 of his life. I wasn't aware he still had wrist issues?

What does sc2 do to the wrists specifically that causes unrepairable damage? There are parallels to be drawn from professional pianists. They use many of the same techniques to prevent and solve injuries. I just did a quick Google search.Most injuries can be fixed via rehab, but if you continue practicing through extreme pain, that's the worst thing you can do. I can't find any article citing age or wrist issues for retirement in music.
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
April 03 2014 10:50 GMT
#354
On April 03 2014 18:39 Gowerly wrote:
You think you'll be able to convince him to work on keeping his wrist strength through physio and better practice, as TLO did?

When it comes to taking care of his health it's mainly TaeJa and his family who figure out what is best and we just help out where we can. He's currently getting treatment on a daily basis for it which he is supposed to keep up with when he's in Korea.
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superpanda27
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
111 Posts
April 03 2014 11:04 GMT
#355
On April 03 2014 19:47 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 19:12 Squat wrote:
That's because he took an actual break, and while his wrists are better, they will never fully recover until he stops playing professionally. I am sorry, but that's just not how the human body works. Taeja is on a clock, and likely not a very long one.


I'm not sure if this is true. I sure hope it is not. TLO is playing the best sc2 of his life. I wasn't aware he still had wrist issues?

What does sc2 do to the wrists specifically that causes unrepairable damage? There are parallels to be drawn from professional pianists. They use many of the same techniques to prevent and solve injuries. I just did a quick Google search.Most injuries can be fixed via rehab, but if you continue practicing through extreme pain, that's the worst thing you can do. I can't find any article citing age or wrist issues for retirement in music.


Taeja you mean?

It's not that it is irreparable, it's that it will never be 100% unless he stops playing. Focus on quality practice instead of quantity and maybe find alternative ways to practice SC2 other than pure playing which is what I imagine he does. This injury keeps happening and returning mostly because of the amount he is playing.

And depending on which wrist it is you can only parallel to pianists so much. Also in comparison to pianists, I don't think they practice as long as SC2 players do especially given how we know Koreans practice.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-03 11:11:35
April 03 2014 11:09 GMT
#356
On April 03 2014 19:47 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 19:12 Squat wrote:
That's because he took an actual break, and while his wrists are better, they will never fully recover until he stops playing professionally. I am sorry, but that's just not how the human body works. Taeja is on a clock, and likely not a very long one.


I'm not sure if this is true. I sure hope it is not. TLO is playing the best sc2 of his life. I wasn't aware he still had wrist issues?

What does sc2 do to the wrists specifically that causes unrepairable damage? There are parallels to be drawn from professional pianists. They use many of the same techniques to prevent and solve injuries. I just did a quick Google search.Most injuries can be fixed via rehab, but if you continue practicing through extreme pain, that's the worst thing you can do. I can't find any article citing age or wrist issues for retirement in music.

Well that's the issue, it won't get better as long as he keeps playing. And you can't really maintain your skills in a game like SC2, at the level Taeja is playing, without playing at least a few hours per day. He could keep reducing his practice schedule until it feels adequate, but if that leaves him uncompetitive due to insufficient practice, what's the point?

As for what causes the injuries, repeated, jerky, small movements will produce joint problems, no matter in what context. Bio stutter step micro is probably one of the best ways to murder a wrist I can think of. The human wrist really is not very well suited for high intensity computer usage for hours on end every day.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
April 03 2014 11:10 GMT
#357
Thank god T.T. I've always enjoyed watching Taeja play and it would've been pretty sad if such a huge talent had retired because of his wrists..
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
April 03 2014 12:00 GMT
#358
On April 03 2014 18:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Just a quick update. TaeJa's wrists were in really bad shape after IEM and he felt he needed to seriously reconsider being a progamer. It was definitely a more serious remark than the times before it. After a (much needed) break his wrists and mind have started to feel better and he has decided he to continue to play SC2. I can't predict how his wrists will keep up, but as long as he feels comfortable we will support him in that decision. In communciation with TaeJa we have decided to lower the intensity of his schedule so that in between tournaments he can focus on recovering in Korea.

Oh my god. Taeja. Stop making me worried >.<
Thanks for updating us, very thankful that he's not retiring.
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Thyrym
Profile Joined December 2013
89 Posts
April 03 2014 12:06 GMT
#359
Hi guys , as a guitar player for living, i do ever 4hours of practice 30 mins goes into rest + wrist exercises, i practice roughly 10-12h/day.
TheFlexN
Profile Joined March 2012
Israel472 Posts
April 03 2014 12:15 GMT
#360
Thank you so much for the update Nazgul. I wish to ask, from what it seems right now, the condition on his wrists looks to be a permanent thing or does he just need a short break to rest and then with the new practice plan it will disappear?
An Esports fan, playing SC2 and LoL because they are fun. Huge fan of mapmaking, Cloud Kingdom = best map ever made EVER.
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