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Hypsis
France7 Posts
 Liquid`TaeJa tweeted that he would be retiring soon.TaeJa had been openly talking about wanting to retire as early as November of 2013, citing the worsening condition of his wrists. On March 16 2014 21:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: We'll be going over this in depth with TaeJa in the coming week or weeks, but it is serious and not just post-tournament emotion. 
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WeddingEpisode
United States356 Posts
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InFluenza
Netherlands55 Posts
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
Is the SCII Illuminati trying to hide something? | ||
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Penev
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:22 tshi wrote: wasn't there just a thread about hero's tweet with regards to protoss being disgusting? Is the SCII Illuminati trying to hide something? Closed because it was a bad thread. | ||
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Cabrera
Sweden7 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:21 InFluenza wrote: He hinted a retirement before. He made the money, got the fame and played the games. If he thinks it's a good time to stop, than we should all respect that decision. Sounds like a Protoss to me... | ||
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QuixoticO
Netherlands810 Posts
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
 I really wish he doesnt retire, always been one of my favorite terran ! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Also, Taeja a bit of a drama queen. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:27 Plansix wrote: No more threads about twitter posts where players say they are going to retire. Only when they have retired. Also, Taeja a bit of a drama queen. a bit? A very big one  He tweets this every time he loses in a tournament | ||
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Penguinator
United States837 Posts
Even Liquid_Hero agrees | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
Twitter != valuable source | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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Sikian
Spain177 Posts
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:20 WeddingEpisode wrote: Maybe he was just going to sleep that night. If it wasnt for his korean english, I agree. But I would argue he actually means retirement. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:27 Plansix wrote: No more threads about twitter posts where players say they are going to retire. Only when they have retired. Also, Taeja a bit of a drama queen. Literally everyone and everything in SC2 is the source of drama tho. It really is a shitfeast. | ||
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Legio
Sweden235 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:31 KaiserJohan wrote: If it wasnt for his korean english, I agree. But I would argue he actually means retirement. Especially since Taeja tweeted "byebye" when Naniwa retired, and San tweeted "this is your future". | ||
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Traceback
United States469 Posts
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Kon-Tiki
United States402 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:27 Plansix wrote: No more threads about twitter posts where players say they are going to retire. Only when they have retired. Also, Taeja a bit of a drama queen. Seriously. Even MKP has proven that retirement is often only "retirement". | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
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siriuschw
Chile19 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
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Hadronsbecrazy
United Kingdom551 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33327 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:39 geokilla wrote: Who enjoys SC2. Tell me honestly. I do. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:39 geokilla wrote: Who enjoys SC2. Tell me honestly. I don't play too much but I enjoy it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:39 geokilla wrote: Who enjoys SC2. Tell me honestly. I like it. A lot of people like it. A lot of people on TL like bitching how they don't. To each their own. Remember when he won and complained he couldn't win more than 10K at a time. #firstworldproblems | ||
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
In the same boat. That said, there's certainly areas of the game I wish were different. | ||
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the_best33
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practicing 10h per day and then getting robbed by 100k§ because of an imbalanced build... i think i would retire too. | ||
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
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illidanx
United States973 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:39 geokilla wrote: Who enjoys SC2. Tell me honestly. I do as long as Kespa players keep winning. | ||
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SSVnormandy
France392 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:39 geokilla wrote: Who enjoys SC2. Tell me honestly. I should hope you do as well because you are in LR threads all the time I presume you are watching games, and you shouldn't be watching something so much that you don't enjoy. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:33 Cheren wrote: Especially since Taeja tweeted "byebye" when Naniwa retired, and San tweeted "this is your future". San and Taeja are bros are they not? That would mean that Taeja had been intending retirement before the tournament. | ||
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ratty
New Zealand275 Posts
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:44 Plansix wrote: I like it. A lot of people like it. A lot of people on TL like bitching how they don't. To each their own. Remember when he won and complained he couldn't win more than 10K at a time. #firstworldproblems I like it when the games aren't 40 minute+ stalemates. The blink all-ins get old too. | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:39 geokilla wrote: Who enjoys SC2. Tell me honestly. + Show Spoiler + [IEM] Ro8 + Ro4 World Championships 2014 3038 1977 1893 1798 1632 1541 1534 1486 1478 1433 1347 1290 1244 1194 1171 1156 1078 916 762 [IEM] Ro16 World Championships 2014 5643 5592 5578 5436 5318 4977 4841 4591 4489 4461 4376 4308 4169 4140 4040 4020 3897 3839 3767 3743 3463 2759 2718 2627 2598 2511 2453 2430 2377 2336 2237 2194 2144 1985 1832 [WCS AM] Ro32 Group G Premier Season 1 2014 519 477 432 413 403 398 214 183 171 144 130 92 84 81 80 76 45 27 [WCS EU] Ro32 Group H Premier Season 1 2014 1017 1004 986 972 303 278 256 228 222 212 195 178 154 141 [WCS EU] Ro32 Group H Premier Season 1 2014 127 114 109 99 [WCS AM] Ro32 Group F Premier Season 1 2014 847 844 842 839 781 [WCS EU] Ro32 Group F Premier Season 1 2014 830 769 761 756 739 720 689 675 654 [WCS AM] Ro32 Group D Premier Season 1 2014 1966 1925 1880 1874 1840 1769 1694 1469 1451 1407 1384 1345 1300 1283 1187 1152 1106 1091 1058 1017 884 861 840 775 570 557 530 504 499 484 477 386 ... I guess you got the picture | ||
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:39 geokilla wrote: Who enjoys SC2. Tell me honestly. Play? Not really no, when I get home from university/extra job I want to relax and play some fun games with friends. Not having to be super focused. Watch? Depends 100% on the players. I compare it somewhat to my interest in sports. If it's my country playing then I can watch. But I don't watch random high level matches because it's fun to watch good games. Want to know a bit about the players playing to make it interesting. Like Bomber/Life/Gumiho/Maru/Soulkey or whatever. Then there is Leenock whom I know a bit more on a personal level. And cheering for him is like cheering for a friend. The only player I actually look forward to watching play. But there are a lot of players I tune in to, to watch high level games. | ||
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Roybs
Netherlands500 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:41 Waxangel wrote: mmmmm I get the feeling that he is serious He wasn't looking happy at all the whole tournament. If you compare him with the TaeJa at Dreamhack it's such a difference :\ Shame, but understandable because of his wrists injuries. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
Can't really take this seriously, because it's right after a loss. | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:49 ratty wrote: hmmm this will be sad. maru and polt will be the only terran hopes. You forgot Mvp | ||
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SSVnormandy
France392 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Vandrad
Germany951 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:56 Bagration wrote: First he GGs out of games early, now he's retiring early. Can't really take this seriously, because it's right after a loss. He's had issues with his wrists for a long time now. | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:39 geokilla wrote: Who enjoys SC2. Tell me honestly. I enjoy playing it quite a bit, maybe even more than watching. Cause at my level (I'm awful), I know that balance doesn't matter, and I should be able to beat all my opponents if I improve my game. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:47 Darkhorse wrote: I should hope you do as well because you are in LR threads all the time I presume you are watching games, and you shouldn't be watching something so much that you don't enjoy. I only enjoy watching now, and even then it's selective games that I can watch. Play maybe a couple games a week now just so I stay eligible for CSL. | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
Oh my god, so sad | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:29 Penguinator wrote: Protoss so strong it can make Taeja retire Even Liquid_Hero agrees https://twitter.com/Liquid_HerO/status/444951502017560576 how hero can say that after cologne? | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:04 geokilla wrote: I only enjoy watching now, and even then it's selective games that I can watch. Play maybe a couple games a week now just so I stay eligible for CSL. ok + Show Spoiler +  | ||
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pooMonger
United States30 Posts
I've put in about 8,000 hours into the game, and I've had to take a lengthy break from playing due to the pain in my forearms, specifically my wrists. there really needs to be some sort of innovation in the RSI field, because I can only see the problem worsening as more people acquire access to computers throughout the world. imagine if our favorite players and progamers could have playing careers that lasted 20-30 years, instead of the 5-10 years they have now. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:10 pooMonger wrote: you guys underestimate the toll that 7-10 years of playing an APM-intensive game has on one's wrists. I've put in about 8,000 hours into the game, and I've had to take a lengthy break from playing due to the pain in my forearms, specifically my wrists. there really needs to be some sort of innovation in the RSI field, because I can only see the problem worsening as more people acquire access to computers throughout the world. imagine if our favorite players and progamers could have playing careers that lasted 20-30 years, instead of the 5-10 years they have now. Or encourage them to go to the gym and do more than sit in front of a computer 10 hours a day. You don't have to be a progamer to injure yourself. Just take a look at the people sitting in an office job. | ||
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SSVnormandy
France392 Posts
maybe he sees that as a big deal for the survival of sc2 and thinks this is more important than getting free wins | ||
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Frex
Finland888 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:12 geokilla wrote: Or encourage them to go to the gym and do more than sit in front of a computer 10 hours a day. You don't have to be a progamer to injure yourself. Just take a look at the people sitting in an office job. Or we can just accept that a lot of jobs come with occupational hazards. There is a lot you can do to avoid them, but sometimes it can just be inevitable. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3674 Posts
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:29 vult wrote: Yeah I'd say wait for an official announcement. Especially since it involves a Liquid player. Twitter != valuable source Pretty much this. If TaeJa officially retired, then we'd hear something from the website. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
That series vs Inno.... still makes me mad to think about it | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:19 Frex wrote: Or we can just accept that a lot of jobs come with occupational hazards. There is a lot you can do to avoid them, but sometimes it can just be inevitable. Wrist issues are both preventable and treatable. My mother is a journalist and often types for several hours a day, and she developed wrist and hand problems as a result. She went to see a rehab specialist and now she's doing fine. For Taeja, it could be any number of reasons, or a lot of them accumulating. Regardless, I hope he doesn't stick around for too long. Esports is not a good place to get stuck. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:16 SSVnormandy wrote: maybe he sees that as a big deal for the survival of sc2 and thinks this is more important than getting free wins If he really wanted to play entertaining games, he would have played different at Cologne. All the players play to win (except Naniwa) | ||
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ImperialFist
790 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:29 Penguinator wrote: Protoss so strong it can make Taeja retire Even Liquid_Hero agrees https://twitter.com/Liquid_HerO/status/444951502017560576 Since watching Hero for the first time I always said this guy should play Terran, his play-style is amazing and so refreshing to watch considering he plays Protoss, the way he goes for heavy multitask <3. And with this tweet he stamps out his place as a true Hero (no pun) of RTS. <3 Thank you Hero | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:28 Bagration wrote: If he really wanted to play entertaining games, he would have played different at Cologne. All the players play to win (except Naniwa) One does not necessarily preclude the other. I played SH vs toss and mech when I still played because I like winning. Didn't mean I liked the unit or the strategies it forces. | ||
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Psychobabas
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:28 Bagration wrote: If he really wanted to play entertaining games, he would have played different at Cologne. All the players play to win (except Naniwa) Life refused to play Daedalus. Soulkey plays aggressive SH, I doubt its because he doesn't understand how to turtle with them. I agree that hero developing a conscience in time for his teammates loss is convenient, but better late than never. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8230 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:33 travis wrote: i'd quit too after losing 100k to that To be fair, he wasn't going to lose $100k. He was a set of matches away... But IEM and its stupid prize bracket certainly doesn't help. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:33 travis wrote: i'd quit too after losing 100k to that yeah but it's not like he would have won the finals to herO who is even better than sos | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:28 Bagration wrote: If he really wanted to play entertaining games, he would have played different at Cologne. All the players play to win (except Naniwa) Just because he uses the build doesn't mean he can't comment that it is pretty strong and bad for viewers. Like you say, he plays to win. | ||
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TimKim0713
Korea (South)221 Posts
lol hopefully things get fixed! | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic614 Posts
thats why i like flash and jaedong mentallity | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:55 SC2BF3Love wrote: so blizzard made a patch to help terrans and they are retiring? to me it doesnt make anysense coming from a ''Pro'' thats why i like flash and jaedong mentallity Well cool down, you aggro hater has he even put forth any reason to retire? No, except his near permament wrist pain, nothing stop hating, lamer, Taeja is very pro, much unlike haters | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:33 travis wrote: i'd quit too after losing 100k to that sOs would have crushed TaeJa in macro games any ways :D. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 16 2014 09:05 ZAiNs wrote: sOs would have crushed TaeJa in macro games any ways :D. The only game Taeja won was the long one tho. :D | ||
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Daumen
Germany1073 Posts
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Spaylz
Japan1743 Posts
Though it does seem like a lot of pros are retiring... | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2382 Posts
On March 16 2014 09:05 ZAiNs wrote: sOs would have crushed TaeJa in macro games any ways :D. As we saw in game 2? | ||
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LibertyRises
United States175 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:32 Psychobabas wrote: Everybody knows Blink stalker is broken. And yet we get no fix. Mothership vision nerf isn't enough. People who play... protoss? Huk vlog anyone? | ||
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Jer99
Canada8157 Posts
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DBS
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pmp10
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I doubt we can lay it all on 'blink imba'. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
On March 16 2014 09:23 pmp10 wrote: He was considering that even after winning homestory cup. I doubt we can lay it all on 'blink imba'. Judging by the timing of his tweet I think it's reasonable, but not definitive, to say that 'blink imba' demotivated the everloving shit out of him | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
As we saw vs Jjakji! G2 was a Blink opening. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
Blink is a standard macro opening... | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
Hopefully he can at least win WCS AM as a final hurrah. and as much as there is a lot of new blood and rising talent, it is always rough to lose someone so iconic to the game as Taeja is. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
NO DAMN IT | ||
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ETisME
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
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Sub40APM
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
Its a good thing Liquid picked up Mana and Bunny- if they hadn't, their line up would look a lot weaker without Taeja. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
On March 16 2014 10:29 Joedaddy wrote: Wow... I don't know what to say. Its a good thing Liquid picked up Mana and Bunny- if they hadn't, their line up would look a lot weaker without Taeja. Maybe the team already knew, that's why they had the pick ups | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
I actually think it's a good decision to retire now, as I do not see SC2 becoming any more successful as an e-sport. The money is unlikely to increase, especially with Blizzard's new two REALLY AWESOME GAMES coming out (HS and HotS). | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On March 16 2014 11:15 Blargh wrote: I'd retire too if I had to play games that were as shitty as some of those PvT's. It's sort of sad that people criticize him. The game is probably frustrating as hell for him (Terrans), having to deal with so many different scenarios that Protoss has while they control the pace of the game completely. I actually think it's a good decision to retire now, as I do not see SC2 becoming any more successful as an e-sport. The money is unlikely to increase, especially with Blizzard's new two REALLY AWESOME GAMES coming out (HS and HotS). RNG game too good. | ||
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jackslater
Russian Federation604 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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corona_0489k
United States27 Posts
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SunflowerSeeds
90 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:32 Tobblish wrote: Literally everyone and everything in SC2 is the source of drama tho. It really is a shitfeast. That's true, because nothing solid has ever emerged in SC2, people has nothing solid to cling on to, only dramas. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
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Hextor
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ontopic: Frack! It's obvious he's having health issues but I'd hate to see him retire. He always brings good games. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:55 SC2BF3Love wrote: so blizzard made a patch to help terrans and they are retiring? to me it doesnt make anysense coming from a ''Pro'' thats why i like flash and jaedong mentallity He has other reasons wrists+wanting to lead a normal life http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/20id1y/taeja_retiring_soon/cg3nyt8 | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:08 NovemberstOrm wrote: He has other reasons wrists+wanting to lead a normal life http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/20id1y/taeja_retiring_soon/cg3nyt8 That's a pretty good reason tbh | ||
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ElMeanYo
United States1032 Posts
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
Don't try to blame this on imbalance, even though I'd feel bad about losing a chance at 100k because of a broken built | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:08 NovemberstOrm wrote: He has other reasons wrists+wanting to lead a normal life http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/20id1y/taeja_retiring_soon/cg3nyt8 maybe he's not the type that enjoys the current atmosphere then. I think his reason is pretty good tbh. He's already 19 so he has time to go back and catch up which won't be as good later on. | ||
Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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mvdunecats
United States102 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:39 geokilla wrote: Who enjoys SC2. Tell me honestly. I enjoy 2/3rds of SC2 right now. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
those quotes always make me laugh out loud because they seem to forget or don't know that it was like that in bw for certain matchups as well when it came to dictating the pace of the game. Let us not forget all those openings Terran had early on as well where Protoss had a weak early-to-middle game. As for the Blizzard titles yeah but those aren't rts and those rts peeps will still get their own fill. | ||
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riyanme
Philippines940 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:52 iNsaNe- wrote: + Show Spoiler + [IEM] Ro8 + Ro4 World Championships 2014 3038 1977 1893 1798 1632 1541 1534 1486 1478 1433 1347 1290 1244 1194 1171 1156 1078 916 762 [IEM] Ro16 World Championships 2014 5643 5592 5578 5436 5318 4977 4841 4591 4489 4461 4376 4308 4169 4140 4040 4020 3897 3839 3767 3743 3463 2759 2718 2627 2598 2511 2453 2430 2377 2336 2237 2194 2144 1985 1832 [WCS AM] Ro32 Group G Premier Season 1 2014 519 477 432 413 403 398 214 183 171 144 130 92 84 81 80 76 45 27 [WCS EU] Ro32 Group H Premier Season 1 2014 1017 1004 986 972 303 278 256 228 222 212 195 178 154 141 [WCS EU] Ro32 Group H Premier Season 1 2014 127 114 109 99 [WCS AM] Ro32 Group F Premier Season 1 2014 847 844 842 839 781 [WCS EU] Ro32 Group F Premier Season 1 2014 830 769 761 756 739 720 689 675 654 [WCS AM] Ro32 Group D Premier Season 1 2014 1966 1925 1880 1874 1840 1769 1694 1469 1451 1407 1384 1345 1300 1283 1187 1152 1106 1091 1058 1017 884 861 840 775 570 557 530 504 499 484 477 386 ... I guess you got the picture I don't know why people like him and Squat still post in the SC2 section if they don't enjoy it lol. Makes no sense other than bitching and moaning about how they wish things were different. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:00 Loccstana wrote: Even one of the best meching terrans out there, Avilo, is complaining... https://twitter.com/avilosc2/status/444982124547158016 Relevant: | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
Hopefully Taeja doesn't retire. He should know the meta game can be prone to wild swings in balance as new strategies are discovered. Back in wings he was one of the worst abusers of the 1-1-1 all in and made money because of it. Blizzard took a long time to nerf that build and they took alot less time weakening the blink all in | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:52 iNsaNe- wrote: + Show Spoiler + [IEM] Ro8 + Ro4 World Championships 2014 3038 1977 1893 1798 1632 1541 1534 1486 1478 1433 1347 1290 1244 1194 1171 1156 1078 916 762 [IEM] Ro16 World Championships 2014 5643 5592 5578 5436 5318 4977 4841 4591 4489 4461 4376 4308 4169 4140 4040 4020 3897 3839 3767 3743 3463 2759 2718 2627 2598 2511 2453 2430 2377 2336 2237 2194 2144 1985 1832 [WCS AM] Ro32 Group G Premier Season 1 2014 519 477 432 413 403 398 214 183 171 144 130 92 84 81 80 76 45 27 [WCS EU] Ro32 Group H Premier Season 1 2014 1017 1004 986 972 303 278 256 228 222 212 195 178 154 141 [WCS EU] Ro32 Group H Premier Season 1 2014 127 114 109 99 [WCS AM] Ro32 Group F Premier Season 1 2014 847 844 842 839 781 [WCS EU] Ro32 Group F Premier Season 1 2014 830 769 761 756 739 720 689 675 654 [WCS AM] Ro32 Group D Premier Season 1 2014 1966 1925 1880 1874 1840 1769 1694 1469 1451 1407 1384 1345 1300 1283 1187 1152 1106 1091 1058 1017 884 861 840 775 570 557 530 504 499 484 477 386 ... I guess you got the picture What do those numbers mean? Sorry, I don't understand them. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:31 Orcasgt24 wrote: Avilo's twitter is a gold mine of whine hahaha Hopefully Taeja doesn't retire. He should know the meta game can be prone to wild swings in balance as new strategies are discovered. Back in wings he was one of the worst abusers of the 1-1-1 all in and made money because of it. Blizzard took a long time to nerf that build and they took alot less time weakening the blink all in Are you confusing taeja for puma? ._. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
I'm pretty sure he is lol. NASL, puma won against MC and used lots of 1-1-1s in the process. Taeja was still on SlayerS at the time or maybe still playing those korean weekly. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:54 BigFan wrote: I'm pretty sure he is lol. NASL, puma won against MC and used lots of 1-1-1s in the process. Taeja was still on SlayerS at the time or maybe still playing those korean weekly. Not confusing Puma and Taeja. Puma was the biggest abuser. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On March 16 2014 13:05 aZealot wrote: To be fair though, 1-1-1 was a long time ago. And eventually solved by P players and bigger maps and a nudge from the Immortal. It's power in WOL never wholly went away though, it was just less effective. It might return with the new mines too. Hopefully. My TvP record needs it. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
My PvT doesn't! It's round about 40% and has been lower this season. :D | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On March 16 2014 13:05 aZealot wrote: To be fair though, 1-1-1 was a long time ago. And eventually solved by P players and bigger maps and a nudge from the Immortal. It's power in WOL never wholly went away though, it was just less effective. It might return with the new mines too. At the pro level, 1-1-1s became a niche build to surprise opponents while blink all-ins are STILL very common after nerf. And with PO, I don't really see 1-1-1s behind viable. | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1047 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:48 Clbull wrote: David Kim's quote on how his team prefers not to make big changes because player careers are on the line seems awfully ironic now. His team makes changes? On topic - Taeja will be missed by many, best luck in future endeavors. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On March 16 2014 13:20 vthree wrote: At the pro level, 1-1-1s became a niche build to surprise opponents while blink all-ins are STILL very common after nerf. And with PO, I don't really see 1-1-1s behind viable. It's been two weeks since the patch, dude. Too soon for T pros to figure out and refine robust builds. (Also, personally, I don't want to see blink all-ins nerfed out of the game.) As to a future 1-1-1 variant of Marines, Mines and Banshees, we'll have to see. | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
sOs was way behind from dithering around with his opening and almost won, though that was largely to Taeja gifting 4 vikings. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:54 BigFan wrote: I'm pretty sure he is lol. NASL, puma won against MC and used lots of 1-1-1s in the process. Taeja was still on SlayerS at the time or maybe still playing those korean weekly. actually Puma didn't use the 1-1-1 vs MC. He used it in season 2 finals to beat Hero. I miss Puma. My favorite Korean ever. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:48 Clbull wrote: David Kim's quote on how his team prefers not to make big changes because player careers are on the line seems awfully ironic now. I don't think David Kim or losing to protoss had anything to do with the tweet. Taeja likely would have tweeted the same thing no matter who or how he lost in the last game, to zerg, protoss or terran. It has more to do with not getting $100,000. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On March 16 2014 13:24 aZealot wrote: It's been two weeks since the patch, dude. Too soon for T pros to figure out and refine robust builds. (Also, personally, I don't want to see blink all-ins nerfed out of the game.) As to a future 1-1-1 variant of Marines, Mines and Banshees, we'll have to see. Yes, patch has been 2 weeks, so maybe we should wait to see what the pros bring out instead of suggesting what builds 'might' be viable. The whole crux of the 1-1-1 was to get tanks in range of the Nexus and defend those tanks with marines and banshees. This doesn't really work when PO out ranges the tank. And saying 1-1-1 retained its effectiveness when it was pretty gone from pro play seems very biased. Hell, blink all-ins (with obs) was more common than 1-1-1 in the second half of obs. So even if MSC was attached to a Nexus, blink all-ins would still be in the game, just less effective. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:57 Orcasgt24 wrote: Not confusing Puma and Taeja. Puma was the biggest abuser. you didn't give a name in your post other than Taeja so reading it, it looks like you are saying Taeja is the abuser lol. On March 16 2014 13:32 jmbthirteen wrote: actually Puma didn't use the 1-1-1 vs MC. He used it in season 2 finals to beat Hero. I miss Puma. My favorite Korean ever. hmm didn't he use it at least once versus MC? I know the 5th game was a macro one, possible 3rd or 4th but I just feel that he used it once in that series. Could be wrong though lol. | ||
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TechNoTrance
Canada1007 Posts
On March 16 2014 13:44 Scarecrow wrote: Either announce your retirement or not, emo tweeting after losing is lame Honestly it sounds like retiring might be the best thing for him. It really doesn't seem like he enjoys the lifestyle that much, regardless of how balance could potentially be. It would be sad to see him go, but I wouldn't hold it against him if he wanted to move on in his life and start healing his wrists. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
On March 16 2014 13:44 Scarecrow wrote: Either announce your retirement or not, emo tweeting after losing is lame He's been wanting to retire for a while now... not just because of these games today... | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On March 16 2014 13:40 vthree wrote: Yes, patch has been 2 weeks, so maybe we should wait to see what the pros bring out instead of suggesting what builds 'might' be viable. The whole crux of the 1-1-1 was to get tanks in range of the Nexus and defend those tanks with marines and banshees. This doesn't really work when PO out ranges the tank. And saying 1-1-1 retained its effectiveness when it was pretty gone from pro play seems very biased. Hell, blink all-ins (with obs) was more common than 1-1-1 in the second half of obs. So even if MSC was attached to a Nexus, blink all-ins would still be in the game, just less effective. Chill dude. It was a shoot the sky comment (don't you sometimes just spitball ideas?). Never a serious suggestion for a viable build. And you are right about the tank range vs WM. I realised as much when mulling it over while making dinner. It wouldn't work. Fair point too about the 1-1-1 in the second half of WOL. It did disappear from pro play. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On March 16 2014 14:10 RezChi wrote: He's been wanting to retire for a while now... not just because of these games today... Announce it then. Given his history this just seems like poor sportsmanship/whining; even when he wins major tournaments he complains about balance. It's not like he's the first player to have wrist problems either but he's certainly the most vocal about it. | ||
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xLikeMikex
United States12 Posts
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
GLHF Taeja, well played On March 16 2014 14:15 Scarecrow wrote: Announce it then. Given his history this just seems like poor sportsmanship/whining; even when he wins major tournaments he complains about balance. It's not like he's the first player to have wrist problems either but he's certainly the most vocal about it. People keep asking him - its not his fault lol | ||
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Ninjabutter
14 Posts
On March 16 2014 14:15 Scarecrow wrote: Announce it then. Given his history this just seems like poor sportsmanship/whining; even when he wins major tournaments he complains about balance. It's not like he's the first player to have wrist problems either but he's certainly the most vocal about it. How is it poor sportsmanship when he literally wishes sOs good luck? | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On March 16 2014 14:53 Ninjabutter wrote: How is it poor sportsmanship when he literally wishes sOs good luck? "Hey I'm injured and P is so imba I'm considering retiring after your totally legit win, good luck ok!" | ||
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
Twitter is the worst thing ever created it ruins so many lives I just dislike it so much. | ||
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Iksf
United Kingdom444 Posts
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
I guess he was really nervous at IEM because he really wanted to win that 100k. I wouldn't be surprised if he announced retirement in his winner's interview even if he had won't that 100k. But in that case he would at least go with a bang. HerO's tweet (as his team member) also suggests he might have felt robbed of the chance to win the prize money because of the way he lost his games. Even though I like him as a player, if his health is getting worse, retirement is probably the best thing for him right now. Shame that someone who is 19 years old retires due to (mainly) health issues. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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Vandrad
Germany951 Posts
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cikey
Germany12 Posts
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Snake.69
Canada140 Posts
On March 16 2014 15:51 Iksf wrote: Is it just me or does carpal seem to have quite a preference for g9x users lately. Taeja. Scarlett. MVP. Meanwhile the other koreans using zowies or razers seem fine. holy shit do they all use g9x? cuz if so it just might be true... | ||
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covetousrat
2109 Posts
On March 16 2014 17:36 cikey wrote: are there any protoss with wrist injuries? just wondering.. Crank! | ||
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Butterz
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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Penev
28472 Posts
On March 16 2014 15:17 Scarecrow wrote: "Hey I'm injured and P is so imba I'm considering retiring after your totally legit win, good luck ok!" "I will retire soon. btw thx for cheering me at iem and good luck sOs" So I guess "I will retire soon" really means "hey I'm injured" and "btw thx for cheering me at iem" "P is so imba"? | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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Frex
Finland888 Posts
On March 16 2014 18:27 Drake wrote: when its about his wrist i dont get your response guys ... i am sure it not makes fun playing with pain every day There might be more to it than his wrists. You don´t see professional athletes retire just like that if they have an injury. Sometimes you see so bad injury that the athlete is forced to quit, however, so many athletes are willing to do whatever it takes to get back to the game after an injury if it is just possible. | ||
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Kasaraki
Denmark7115 Posts
It's going to be a very sad day when he finally does retire. | ||
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arkedos
Germany1426 Posts
On March 16 2014 18:37 Frex wrote: There might be more to it than his wrists. You don´t see professional athletes retire just like that if they have an injury. Sometimes you see so bad injury that the athlete is forced to quit, however, so many athletes are willing to do whatever it takes to get back to the game after an injury if it is just possible. Well but carpal tunnel is not something you can get rid off you can just do stuff to keep it in check. So this would be a perfect reason to retire as pro gamer. | ||
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urboss
Austria1223 Posts
On March 16 2014 08:10 pooMonger wrote: you guys underestimate the toll that 7-10 years of playing an APM-intensive game has on one's wrists. I've put in about 8,000 hours into the game, and I've had to take a lengthy break from playing due to the pain in my forearms, specifically my wrists. there really needs to be some sort of innovation in the RSI field, because I can only see the problem worsening as more people acquire access to computers throughout the world. imagine if our favorite players and progamers could have playing careers that lasted 20-30 years, instead of the 5-10 years they have now. The mouse as an input device is obviously not ideal. Games of the future will make use of touch input or Wii-like tracking of natural movements. 20 years from now, the mouse will be considered a curiosity like nowadays the rotary dial on phones. Taeja will be back when Stratagema finally comes out: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/v0IktWV.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JAtRlqY.jpg) Stratagema | ||
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zanga
659 Posts
(and not just live on 1€ ramen) | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
On March 16 2014 18:41 arkedos wrote: Well but carpal tunnel is not something you can get rid off you can just do stuff to keep it in check. So this would be a perfect reason to retire as pro gamer. Yup, even TLO who spent a lot of effort to deal with cts is forced to be very cautious with the symptoms reoccuring. Personally, I think Taeja should retire after wcs. He has more than enough money for a good education and risking his health long term just isn`t worth it. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:50 aZealot wrote: What do those numbers mean? Sorry, I don't understand them. Posts he made, just find it a bit odd that he says no one enjoys SC2 while he's been watching it intensively lately | ||
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Naphal
Germany2099 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 16 2014 19:26 Naphal wrote: heh heroes tweet is highly hypocritical considering his play against polt not too long ago... You have the right to use a build and feel dirty in the process. I guess Protoss players don't know the feeling, but when I win against fellow Terrans with my nasty proxy marauder, I'm not proud. Yet I use it, every, single, game. | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/445902-jjakji-and-taeja-interviews-road-to-iem-katowice So I think it's probably a sudden choice and he's probably upset about the state of Protoss (and the game in general) but I think his wrists do contribute to it as well. I doubt he will retire though, I think he just needs to take a few months rest. | ||
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Quakie
Norway725 Posts
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Anacreor
Netherlands291 Posts
Whatever your decision, you earned it, you won a LOT. | ||
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SantosPhillipCarlo
United States351 Posts
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creamyturtle
United States487 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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MiniFotToss
China2430 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:28 ZeromuS wrote: a bit? A very big one He tweets this every time he loses in a tournament Give the poor man a break, he has a bad wrist, if he chooses to retire, he 'deserves' to retire, whenever he wants, however he wats, he might entertain us a lot,and as much as we want him to stay, he's still playing SC2 as a job, you can't force a guy to stay on his job unwillingly, Naniwa, Duckdeok(finale) retired, Jangbi, they all retired, sonner or later due to age anyways, other players like Rain or Soulkey or Mvp will also retire, esports is a kind career that like all other sports, is a 'job' that can't last as age increase, so it doesn't matter when they retire, they ARE going to reitre, | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:10 creamyturtle wrote: Watching Taeja die to blink all-ins 3 times was just funny to me. He built minimal bunkers every time and did not D up appropriately. Nobody to blame but himself for lack of understanding in the matchup. Stopping blink all-ins is not really that hard when you see it coming. No, it's still very hard to hold even when you see it coming. | ||
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DrPandaPhD
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ImperialFist
790 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:14 MiniFotToss wrote: Give the poor man a break, he has a bad wrist, if he chooses to retire, he 'deserves' to retire, whenever he wants, however he wats, he might entertain us a lot,and as much as we want him to stay, he's still playing SC2 as a job, you can't force a guy to stay on his job unwillingly, Naniwa, Duckdeok(finale) retired, Jangbi, they all retired, sonner or later due to age anyways, other players like Rain or Soulkey or Mvp will also retire, esports is a kind career that like all other sports, is a 'job' that can't last as age increase, so it doesn't matter when they retire, they ARE going to reitre, don't respond to trolls, Taeja said it even after winning tournaments, some people clearly don't have any respect. | ||
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: We'll be going over this in depth with TaeJa in the coming week or weeks, but it is serious and not just post-tournament emotion. Thanks for letting us know. I hope he continues playing, but I would also completely understand if he wants to retire now. | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:11 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: We'll be going over this in depth with TaeJa in the coming week or weeks, but it is serious and not just post-tournament emotion. Do you know why he wants to retire? Has he thought about taking a few months break to get in better shape and heal his wrists? | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:17 ANLProbe wrote: Do you know why he wants to retire? Has he thought about taking a few months break to get in better shape and heal his wrists? I can't say anything right now about whether indefinite breaks are an option. I have to talk more to him in the upcoming period with our own translator to talk about the more complicated stuff. I talked to him here at the event and he expressed that his wrists, and specifically the limitation it puts on trying to be the best, are an important part of the reasoning. | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I can't say anything right now about whether indefinite breaks are an option. I have to talk more to him in the upcoming period with our own translator to talk about the more complicated stuff. I talked to him here at the event and he expressed that his wrists, and specifically the limitation it puts on trying to be the best, are an important part of the reasoning. Does he do any wrist exercises or consistent exercise? I think he may need to do what TLO did and change his lifestyle a bit to try eat more healthily and exercise regularly. Also, do you know if the state of the game (mainly Protoss) have anything to do with it? | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On March 16 2014 17:55 Snake.69 wrote: holy shit do they all use g9x? cuz if so it just might be true... eh i doubt it the g9x might be the most popular mouse among korean sc2 players, there are plenty of users who haven't retired yet ;p | ||
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:34 opterown wrote: eh i doubt it the g9x might be the most popular mouse among korean sc2 players, there are plenty of users who haven't retired yet ;p Unless it significantly changes the position of your wrists I don't see how a particular mouse could cause more carpal tunnels than other mice on the market. I've seen some players like ForGG do stretches after almost every single game they play. He also said he goes to the gym (mostly for running but he still stays in shape and gets that blood flowing). I guess pro gamers should pay more attention to their physical condition to minimize the risks of carpal tunnel. Would be an interesting lawsuit though... | ||
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Tulanwarrior
Malaysia219 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:21 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I can't say anything right now about whether indefinite breaks are an option. I have to talk more to him in the upcoming period with our own translator to talk about the more complicated stuff. I talked to him here at the event and he expressed that his wrists, and specifically the limitation it puts on trying to be the best, are an important part of the reasoning. If he said that then I think he realizes his own potential and is not lacking the motivation as some of us think. This really makes me wish to have seen a TaeJa that was not inhibited by wrist injuries I'm not sure how serious wrist injuries are but maybe he can consider taking an extended break and come back strong when SC2 switches to LotV as that should prove a hard reset for everyone and a great re-entry point after a good recovery period. TaeJa was the reason I started following competitive closely SC2 in the first place. As much as I like him to stay though, I think physical injuries are not something you can overcome so easily so I would totally understand if he does decide to retire because its a very wise decision. | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:41 Tulanwarrior wrote: If he said that then I think he realizes his own potential and is not lacking the motivation as some of us think. This really makes me wish to have seen a TaeJa that was not inhibited by wrist injuries I'm not sure how serious wrist injuries are but maybe he can consider taking an extended break and come back strong when SC2 switches to LotV as that should prove a hard reset for everyone and a great re-entry point after a good recovery period. TaeJa was the reason I started following competitive closely SC2 in the first place. As much as I like him to stay though, I think physical injuries are not something you can overcome so easily so I would totally understand if he does decide to retire because its a very wise decision. I have pretty bad wrist problems and they do not go away easily, I doubt that I have them as bad as Taeja but they're not something that just goes away within a months rest. You need to do plenty of wrist exercises and eat properly to slowly remove, like what TLO did. | ||
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Tulanwarrior
Malaysia219 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:45 ANLProbe wrote: I have pretty bad wrist problems and they do not go away easily, I doubt that I have them as bad as Taeja but they're not something that just goes away within a months rest. You need to do plenty of wrist exercises and eat properly to slowly remove, like what TLO did. Thats why I mentioned LotV, which is perhaps 1 year away at the least? Again just a thought. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:41 Tulanwarrior wrote: If he said that then I think he realizes his own potential and is not lacking the motivation as some of us think. This really makes me wish to have seen a TaeJa that was not inhibited by wrist injuries I'm not sure how serious wrist injuries are but maybe he can consider taking an extended break and come back strong when SC2 switches to LotV as that should prove a hard reset for everyone and a great re-entry point after a good recovery period. TaeJa was the reason I started following competitive closely SC2 in the first place. As much as I like him to stay though, I think physical injuries are not something you can overcome so easily so I would totally understand if he does decide to retire because its a very wise decision. IMMVP took a pretty big break for the sake of his wrists, right? Nazgul, I hope you do your very best to keep Taeja with us, but make sure to put his health and joy first! I'd rather have a happy retired Taeja than an unhappy Taeja! Oh, and while he takes his break, give him some interview classes :D | ||
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whereismymind
United Kingdom717 Posts
Protoss players.  NaNiwa, now TaeJa.Sad weeks for e-sports and Team Liquid. | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:49 SC2Toastie wrote: IMMVP took a pretty big break for the sake of his wrists, right? Nazgul, I hope you do your very best to keep Taeja with us, but make sure to put his health and joy first! I'd rather have a happy retired Taeja than an unhappy Taeja! Oh, and while he takes his break, give him some interview classes :D How long did Mvp take a break for? I think what he really needs after WCS season 1 is to take a long holiday somewhere sunny and make sure that he eats properly and exercises and stretches regularly. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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XanaNA
United States15 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:53 opterown wrote: TIL there's a canadian terran called protoss Haha me too :D | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:53 opterown wrote: TIL there's a canadian terran called protoss A name change won't help him | ||
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
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holmesgenius
Vietnam65 Posts
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
On March 16 2014 21:53 ANLProbe wrote: How long did Mvp take a break for? I think what he really needs after WCS season 1 is to take a long holiday somewhere sunny and make sure that he eats properly and exercises and stretches regularly. AFAIK, Mvp has a different condition. http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00332 Since surgery was being mentioned before in his interviews, he probably has a more severe case... | ||
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
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Kosak
Czech Republic193 Posts
and Im not counting all the people that went absolutely mad about these recent events | ||
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Nightwishone
Italy391 Posts
this cannot be real | ||
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nuogaiyen
United States42 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On March 16 2014 22:02 holmesgenius wrote: sOs could be another InnoVation if blink nerf releases Lol... | ||
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aeligos
United States172 Posts
Your wrists will get better with the proper medical attention made possible by your Team. | ||
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MidnightZL
Sweden203 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On March 16 2014 23:04 aeligos wrote: No need to retire, Taeja. Your wrists will get better with the proper medical attention made possible by your Team. That is not likely to happen. There is no miracle cure. The only long term solution is to drastically reduce playtime. His wrists will always give him trouble as long as he is a pro gamer. Making a few more esports dollars and then getting out is definitely the best option for him. | ||
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j1nzo
Germany367 Posts
health and personal condition > success, community, populatity, money… sad to see one of the fanfvorites leave, espeacially since he goes way back in sc2 | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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minisindad
United States3 Posts
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
I've lost count of how many ladder games I've played where I've had a frustrating loss and felt like calling it quits after, lol. Whoever said this was an "emo tweet" just coming after a loss on page 7'ish seems to be on the right track. | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
I don't believe this is an "emo tweet" considering that there were winds about retiring late last year. | ||
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veilchen
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tesTOSSterone
Canada15 Posts
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On March 17 2014 01:39 tesTOSSterone wrote: Did it occur to anybody that maybe it wasn't just the blink all-in that Taeja was really upset about but also because of the fact that IEM decided to have it a winner take all tournament?. If the prize money was shared I doubt we would be seeing that tweet from Taeja same day he takes home some prize money. I can't think of a single professional tournament of any sort which does not reward 2nd or 3rd place finishes, it's mind boggling. Especially during these hard times, with so many players retiring and so many teams shutting down, it would have been the smart decision to have the money split. Just imagine if we had an actual foreigner who made an incredible never to forget run all the way to the grand finals and in the end he wins nothing, how would the community have reacted then? I don't think blink all-in's were the only issue here. Do you really believe that a seasoned pro-gamer like Taeja would retire cause of one single daft tournament? | ||
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tesTOSSterone
Canada15 Posts
On March 17 2014 01:45 sc2holar wrote: Do you really believe that a seasoned pro-gamer like Taeja would retire cause of one single daft tournament? No I don't think it was just because of this single tournament that he decided to retire, he's obviously had retirement on his mind for awhile now we've all known that, but the point I am trying to make is that I do believe if he did take home some prize money we would not be seeing that tweet this early. The fact that he got nothing, except a pat on the back, obviously made the decision to post that tweet much easier. | ||
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
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seak99
Canada69 Posts
The Terran can win if he put on some sick moves and plays a lot better, but the Protoss player will always have an advantage. User was warned for this post | ||
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Fhiz
361 Posts
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samtheoneca
Canada5 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 17 2014 02:16 samtheoneca wrote: Seems like Taeja is always whining So respectless, so clueless... | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
Haha, Would you have scolded someone who said the same about naniwa after his break announcement? i think not. This bias is fairly discusting. Where are the haters from the naniwas retirement thread? i expected them to be all over Taeja calling him a spoiled ungrateful brat atm. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 17 2014 02:22 sc2holar wrote: Haha, Would scold someone who said the same about naniwa atm? i think not. This bias is fairly discussing. Where are the haters from the naniwas retirement thread? i expected them to be all over Taeja calling him a spoiled ungrateful brat atm. So, what exactly are you trying to say? this bias is discussing? would scold someone who said the same about naniwa? Ah, you edited. Dat English. I don't give a damn about Naniwa because I find him unsympathetic. He does not interest me and I understand the reaction he is receiving. Taeja on the other hand, is a well accomplished player, one of the best and most consistent in the world. Taeja has been talking about retirement for half a year. Saying 'Taeja is always whining' is thus clueless (he's said this for months) and well as respectless (doesn't need explanation). Just to add to that, Nazgul (Team Owner of Liquid) has responded in this threat twice as well. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On March 17 2014 02:24 SC2Toastie wrote: So, what exactly are you trying to say? this bias is discussing? would scold someone who said the same about naniwa? Ah, you edited. Dat English. I don't give a damn about Naniwa because I find him unsympathetic. He does not interest me and I understand the reaction he is receiving. Taeja on the other hand, is a well accomplished player, one of the best and most consistent in the world. Taeja has been talking about retirement for half a year. Saying 'Taeja is always whining' is thus clueless (he's said this for months) and well as respectless (doesn't need explanation). Pardon me sir, i had some whiskey for the finals. Takes its toll on your spelling. But you are basicly admitting to being biased, and you dont think all retiring players deserve the same respect? Naniwa is also a very accomplished player, so thats sort of irrelevant. I dont mean to attack you pesonaly but i do think this widespread hypocrisy is repulsive. | ||
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Fhiz
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 17 2014 02:32 sc2holar wrote: Pardon me sir, i had some whiskey for the finals. Takes its toll on your spelling. But you are basicly admitting to being biased, and you dont think all retiring players deserve the same respect? Naniwa is also a very accomplished player, so thats sort of irrelevant. I dont mean to attack you pesonaly but i do think this widespread hypocrisy is repulsive. I suppose you can call it bias. I do however not agree all retiring players deserve the same respect. Naniwa has acted like a jerk on so many occasions. If you show no respect to the people who allow for your job to exist, don't be butthurt when they turn on you. Enough is enough, and Naniwa has crossed the line of what most people call acceptable more than once. So, you can call it hate or bias, fact is, Naniwa has a poor reputation which he works hard to sustain, and this time it cost him. And as such, it is not weird people act angry about Naniwa's quirks while they really deeply care about Taeja's future. Lastly, Naniwa may be the most accomplished foreigner (after possibly Jinro), he is still so far behind Taeja it is not even funny. | ||
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traderjoe
Germany69 Posts
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On March 17 2014 02:35 SC2Toastie wrote: I suppose you can call it bias. I do however not agree all retiring players deserve the same respect. Naniwa has acted like a jerk on so many occasions. If you show no respect to the people who allow for your job to exist, don't be butthurt when they turn on you. Enough is enough, and Naniwa has crossed the line of what most people call acceptable more than once. So, you can call it hate or bias, fact is, Naniwa has a poor reputation which he works hard to sustain, and this time it cost him. And as such, it is not weird people act angry about Naniwa's quirks while they really deeply care about Taeja's future. Lastly, Naniwa may be the most accomplished foreigner (after possibly Jinro), he is still so far behind Taeja it is not even funny. I was about to bring up the fact that Taeja has also done his fair share of whining, bitching and BMing over the years, but i suppose you would just resort to calling me clueless and respectless, am i right? | ||
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 17 2014 02:40 sc2holar wrote: I was about to bring up the fact that Taeja has also done his fair share of whining, bitching and BMing over the years, but i suppose you would just resort to calling me clueless and respectless, am i right? If you compare Taeja's whining and bitching and his accomplishments to Naniwa's, I think I am in my right to call you respectless and clueless, yes. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On March 17 2014 02:42 SC2Toastie wrote: If you compare Taeja's whining and bitching and his accomplishments to Naniwa's, I think I am in my right to call you respectless and clueless, yes. Whoever has the most Accomplishments is not relevant. When a seasoned Starcraft 2 Pro retires, they should not be spat upon. Both Naniwa and Taeja deserve respect, this widespread hypocrisy is revolting. | ||
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mouzChase
Germany66 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 17 2014 02:49 sc2holar wrote: Whoever has the most Accomplishments is not relevant. When a seasoned Starcraft 2 Pro retires, they should not be spat upon. Both Naniwa and Taeja deserve respect, this widespread hypocrisy is revolting. You don't deserve respect; you earn it. Taeja has earned my respect, Naniwa hasn't, Also, ignoring my arguments doesn't make you more credible. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On March 17 2014 03:19 SC2Toastie wrote: You don't deserve respect; you earn it. Taeja has earned my respect, Naniwa hasn't, Also, ignoring my arguments doesn't make you more credible. You can say a lot of things about Nani, but saying he hasn't earned respect as one of the hardest working foreigners, and the only one to make GSL ones past the beta makes me wonder if it's respect you are talking about or just you not liking his personality. That said, I hope there is a statement made by TL about Taeja's plans, I really like Taeja. | ||
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veilchen
13 Posts
On March 17 2014 02:22 sc2holar wrote: Haha, Would you have scolded someone who said the same about naniwa after his break announcement? i think not. This bias is fairly discusting. Where are the haters from the naniwas retirement thread? i expected them to be all over Taeja calling him a spoiled ungrateful brat atm. Comon Sweden. Get over Naniwa and move on.. | ||
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triforks
United States370 Posts
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
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dgwow
Canada1024 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On March 17 2014 03:33 plogamer wrote: Everyone does realize that a tweet about quitting isn't remotely on the same level as forfeiting a match mid-series, mid-tournament? No, none of us are rational. Also everyone is acting like this is an announcement of retirement. Including me. Which it isn't. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:27 Plansix wrote: No more threads about twitter posts where players say they are going to retire. Only when they have retired. Also, Taeja a bit of a drama queen. He really is, it's what's stopped me from being a taeja fan since IPTL. It would still suck if he did, he's been one of the best to touch the game | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On March 17 2014 03:38 The_Templar wrote: No, none of us are rational. Also everyone is acting like this is an announcement of retirement. Including me. Which it isn't. Thank you, now I understand. | ||
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PfiliTehDwarf
Germany66 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:20 WeddingEpisode wrote: Maybe he was just going to sleep that night. yeah maybe he is in fact a downtown abbey character :D | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On March 17 2014 03:37 dgwow wrote: Things are not looking good again in SC2 land? Naniwa retiring, Scarlett knocked out of WCS and probably contemplating retirement, there goes our top foreigners. I hope Taeja is just joking about this. Scarlett literally just moved to Korea again. | ||
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MysticaL
Canada118 Posts
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CrazyHunter
United States83 Posts
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On March 17 2014 04:35 CrazyHunter wrote: Taeja retires and I really won't have much incentive to keep watching SC2 Well, as your signature says... You should watch Maru, he's young and a good terran. I mentioned that he's young because it seems that a lot of Terrans who aren't Avilo get wrist problems because their APM is too high due to DavidKim(sarcasmcuzicantsaykappa). But yeah, wrist injuries are a problem so Maru probably won't get any for a while : ) | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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Traceback
United States469 Posts
The question is then, what is dieing? | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Wrists obviously. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
Is this a trick question? Is the answer SC2? | ||
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Holdenintherye
Canada1441 Posts
On March 17 2014 04:32 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Scarlett literally just moved to Korea again. What? Really? Wasn't she talking about taking it easy in 2014? | ||
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Tanzklaue
Germany1413 Posts
On March 17 2014 04:38 tshi wrote: Well, as your signature says... You should watch Maru, he's young and a good terran. I mentioned that he's young because it seems that a lot of Terrans who aren't Avilo get wrist problems because their APM is too high due to DavidKim(sarcasmcuzicantsaykappa). But yeah, wrist injuries are a problem so Maru probably won't get any for a while : ) taeja is only 19 himself. that isn't exactly the definition of old either | ||
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ThePastor
New Zealand380 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:30 Holdenintherye wrote: What? Really? Wasn't she talking about taking it easy in 2014? She said in her fanclub thread that she is shifting to Korea for a long period of time. | ||
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
On March 17 2014 05:31 Tanzklaue wrote: taeja is only 19 himself. that isn't exactly the definition of old either He started really young though right? I mean 2+ years of how many hours a day on the computer? That can really eff up your wrists pretty badly. | ||
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Jj_82
Swaziland419 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:04 Orcasgt24 wrote: Trade you nexus cannon for mules any day of the week Avilo Well, it doesn't work like this. You can't compare these features. Go like this: "I would trade cannons + nexus cannon for bunkers and turrets." Because for my M.U.L.E you got to give me half of your chrono boosts plus self constructing buildings. | ||
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Quakie
Norway725 Posts
On March 17 2014 04:38 tshi wrote: Well, as your signature says... You should watch Maru, he's young and a good terran. I mentioned that he's young because it seems that a lot of Terrans who aren't Avilo get wrist problems because their APM is too high due to DavidKim(sarcasmcuzicantsaykappa). But yeah, wrist injuries are a problem so Maru probably won't get any for a while : ) I wonder, was wrist-problems a issue before SC2 as well? I'm curious, because it seems much more talked about now after SC2. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:06 Jj_82 wrote: Well, it doesn't work like this. You can't compare these features. Go like this: "I would trade cannons + nexus cannon for bunkers and turrets." Because for my M.U.L.E you got to give me half of your chrono boosts plus self constructing buildings. It's almost as if... the races are asymmetrically designed :O. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:05 ArTiFaKs wrote: He started really young though right? I mean 2+ years of how many hours a day on the computer? That can really eff up your wrists pretty badly. There's also the question of what else he does. I developed pretty painful wrist issues three or four years ago from computer use with bad ergonomics and posture. I started making an effort to work out more, stretch more and be generally active - pushups during queue times in Dota, hangboard exercises while searching in SC2 - and they cleared up within a few weeks. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:07 Quakie wrote: I wonder, was wrist-problems a issue before SC2 as well? I'm curious, because it seems much more talked about now after SC2. Yes, it was. For example, Flash had surgery three years ago. | ||
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NapkinBox
United States314 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:12 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Yes, it was. For example, Flash had surgery three years ago. He's like, what, the only progamer to have surgery and come back 100% healthy? | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 17 2014 03:24 docvoc wrote: You can say a lot of things about Nani, but saying he hasn't earned respect as one of the hardest working foreigners, and the only one to make GSL ones past the beta makes me wonder if it's respect you are talking about or just you not liking his personality. That said, I hope there is a statement made by TL about Taeja's plans, I really like Taeja. what? Jinro was in the GSL, so was TLO in the earlier ones. We had Stephano at one point as well but that didn't pan out well lol. On March 17 2014 06:07 Quakie wrote: I wonder, was wrist-problems a issue before SC2 as well? I'm curious, because it seems much more talked about now after SC2. yep, Flash as mentioned. I'm actually not sure if other BW progamers have mentioned it though. On March 17 2014 06:29 Advantageous wrote: NOOOOOO what?!!?!?!? first naniwa, now taeja? what is the world coming to?! it was a tweet lol. He's not retiring yet. People do move on and things change so he would've eventually retired especially considering what he wants in life. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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ErikLensherr
United States5 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/I55k8fr.jpg) at least wait until after... come on taeja User was warned for this post | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On March 16 2014 12:00 Loccstana wrote: Even one of the best meching terrans out there, Avilo, is complaining... https://twitter.com/avilosc2/status/444982124547158016 Tell me this is a troll tweet. | ||
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Tanzklaue
Germany1413 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:29 BigFan wrote: what? Jinro was in the GSL, so was TLO in the earlier ones. We had Stephano at one point as well but that didn't pan out well lol. you're forgetting idra (who made it to the quarters once) and huk (ro8 aswell i think). | ||
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ThePastor
New Zealand380 Posts
That tweet is not factual I cry! You have to select the MSC as well! | ||
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JohnChoi
1773 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:30 Squat wrote: We have no idea whether Flash is back to 100% compared to pre-wrist injury form. Flash came back from wrist surgery and went on a 14 win streak in proleague. | ||
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Xinzoe
Korea (South)2373 Posts
avilo 4-0 sOs | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On March 17 2014 09:45 JohnChoi wrote: Flash came back from wrist surgery and went on a 14 win streak in proleague. Well, you could also argue that Jangbi and Fantasy began beating him from then on. | ||
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JohnChoi
1773 Posts
On March 17 2014 12:28 Caladbolg wrote: Well, you could also argue that Jangbi and Fantasy began beating him from then on. by the time people were saying jangbi and fantasy were better than flash, he was already practicing sc2 full time according to Tyson. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On March 17 2014 06:30 Squat wrote: We have no idea whether Flash is back to 100% compared to pre-wrist injury form. He seemed to be just fine. The surgery was in 2011/2012 and he killed another season of PL and was the "most wins" player in the previous one. Sure he's not as good at SC2 as he was at BW but his BW playing (right up until the very end) was pretty spectacular. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On March 17 2014 12:28 Caladbolg wrote: Well, you could also argue that Jangbi and Fantasy began beating him from then on. Weren't they probably two of the best players in that era though? Fantasy was undefeated in the last OSL until he met Jangbi. | ||
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stefantheterran
Austria61 Posts
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
On March 17 2014 13:23 IntoTheheart wrote: Weren't they probably two of the best players in that era though? Fantasy was undefeated in the last OSL until he met Jangbi. Yes, but in no small part thanks to Flash's decline. Watching Flash throughout his "Godmode" days was really different to the period when Fantasy and Jangbi began to dominate. Flash was less innovative with his builds (less timing attacks, playing really predictable, etc) and, as JohnChoi said, he was probably practicing SC2 fulltime at that point. I have little doubt that if SC2 hadn't become the flagship game for KeSPA and if it wasn't being pushed to supplant BW, Flash would have continued "regaining" his pre-surgery form, which would've prevented Jangbi and/or Fantasy from dominating the last two OSLs. | ||
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klup
France612 Posts
We love you Taeja! Please continue to play you are one of the most entertaining player it is a pleasure to look at your games! | ||
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fx9
117 Posts
On March 16 2014 22:02 holmesgenius wrote: sOs could be another InnoVation if blink nerf releases nah, he will just mass carriers. | ||
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fx9
117 Posts
He's one of the few top terrrans that uses ghosts effectively against protoss and micro them like god, which makes ghosts look so OP at his hands. | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
I hope Taeja can find a way to recover from his injury. He's one of my favorite Korean Terran's. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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FPyro
Germany47 Posts
On March 16 2014 07:26 j4vz wrote: Well he basically lost a chance to get 100K$ because of blink all-in, with the amount of money on the line and the amount pratice he put into this game, I would feel robbed, its not only the money but the honor, you cant prove you are better than someone else because there is some externals factor that you cant control like balance... I really wish he doesnt retire, always been one of my favorite terran ! User was temp banned for this post. Uh, what is the problem with this opinion, why was the user temp banned for it? Can somebody link me the forum rules please, I'm afraid to say anything now and don't remember the rules exactly. thank you. | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14276 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:52 FPyro wrote: Uh, what is the problem with this opinion, why was the user temp banned for it? Can somebody link me the forum rules please, I'm afraid to say anything now and don't remember the rules exactly. thank you. It was for balance whine and game bashing. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:52 FPyro wrote: Uh, what is the problem with this opinion, why was the user temp banned for it? Can somebody link me the forum rules please, I'm afraid to say anything now and don't remember the rules exactly. thank you. Balance whining | ||
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FPyro
Germany47 Posts
Well, would be a shame to see Taeja go, but if he's having wrist issues, it's better to stop before it gets worse I guess. | ||
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RolandSC2
United States3 Posts
He played better than most, and that I will not forget. | ||
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BVRHNT3R
United States15 Posts
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:55 LightningStrike wrote: It was for balance whine and game bashing. That's like security through obscurity. | ||
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saltis
159 Posts
On March 18 2014 01:52 FPyro wrote: Uh, what is the problem with this opinion, why was the user temp banned for it? Can somebody link me the forum rules please, I'm afraid to say anything now and don't remember the rules exactly. thank you. Seriously banning for the public OPINION ??????????? Is TL so angry on Taeja that even they banning his fans ? Most of us including Taeja feel EXACTLY the same. Shame on TL for so Bias behaviour. I bet Moderator it a Toss player, cant explain otherwise. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:57 saltis wrote: Seriously banning for the public OPINION ??????????? Is TL so angry on Taeja that even they banning his fans ? Most of us including Taeja feel EXACTLY the same. Shame on TL for so Bias behaviour. I bet Moderator it a Toss player, cant explain otherwise. Look to the top of the thread and observe the note about balance whine. | ||
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saltis
159 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:01 Plansix wrote: Look to the top of the thread and observe the note about balance whine. This Thread about Taeja and it's ridiculous to speak about his decision without including the reason of his retirement. Seems like in this thread TL wants us to only express our good bye to Taeja, otherwise ban hammer comes down. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:07 saltis wrote: This Thread about Taeja and it's ridiculous to speak about his decision without including the reason of his retirement. Seems like in this thread TL wants us to only express our good bye to Taeja, otherwise ban hammer comes down. He is thinking about retirement due to wrist injuries. Balance has nothing to do with it. That is why the note is there. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:07 saltis wrote: Don't be ridiculous. TL only doesnt want balance whine to become the topic of this thread. There is a designated thread for that rubbish. If you don't have anything else to say, don't post. I don't think it's very hard.This Thread about Taeja and it's ridiculous to speak about his decision without including the reason of his retirement. Seems like in this thread TL wants us to only express our good bye to Taeja, otherwise ban hammer comes down. | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
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saltis
159 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:29 saltis wrote: Actually I have to say something obvious: "good luck sOs" - it wasn't tweeted to sOs twitter or facebook though he could send it to sOs. Yes, he has a wrist problem but if his retirement would not have a connection with sOs disgusting play than his retirement statement wouln't be in the same post moreover in the same sentence. Oh get over it and stop looking for something that isn't there. Taeja is a class act and wished sOs luck because he is a good guy. | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:10 Plansix wrote: He is thinking about retirement due to wrist injuries. Balance has nothing to do with it. That is why the note is there. You know that how? Taeja ragequitng vs Stardust is pretty telling of his view toward protoss. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 18 2014 11:01 imrusty269 wrote: You know that how? Taeja ragequitng vs Stardust is pretty telling of his view toward protoss. Well people will see what they want to see. | ||
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:29 saltis wrote: Actually I have to say something obvious: "good luck sOs" - it wasn't tweeted to sOs twitter or facebook though he could send it to sOs. Yes, he has a wrist problem but if his retirement would not have a connection with sOs disgusting play than his retirement statement wouln't be in the same post moreover in the same sentence. I don't think you know the meaning of the word disgusting. | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
So do you. | ||
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
On March 18 2014 11:25 Eliezar wrote: I don't think you know the meaning of the word disgusting. Choice of word way to get around the ban hammer? | ||
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SeventhPride
712 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:41 Plansix wrote: Oh get over it and stop looking for something that isn't there. Taeja is a class act and wished sOs luck because he is a good guy. Exactly. Man people sure are negative, feels more like to me Taeja is saying since he beat him, he hopes sOs gets far. People need to stop looking for loop holes to whine about balance and appreciate the sportsmanship. | ||
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Rickyvalle21
United States320 Posts
I remember when he was on NEX clan and he was rank 1 grandmasters on kr. He's come along way since then. | ||
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astray71
United States325 Posts
He just needs 3 more medals, 1 being gold to beat Mvp for most Premier tournament wins! | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
That's like keeping a thread coherent and flamefree. | ||
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ClairvoyanceSC2
United States758 Posts
On March 18 2014 14:02 Shinespark wrote: Okay TL, now you just have to get Supernova on the team so you have at least 1 good terran. i thought they were gonna get yoda, but they got bunny and mana. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 18 2014 09:57 saltis wrote: Really, I should ban you for this stupid post. However, instead I'm just going to tell you what you should do in future. Seriously banning for the public OPINION ??????????? Is TL so angry on Taeja that even they banning his fans ? Most of us including Taeja feel EXACTLY the same. Shame on TL for so Bias behaviour. I bet Moderator it a Toss player, cant explain otherwise. - Make a thread about the moderation grievance in website feedback - Don't make stupid comments like 'I bet moderator is a toss player' | ||
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loft
United States344 Posts
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On March 18 2014 14:58 Plexa wrote: Really, I should ban you for this stupid post. However, instead I'm just going to tell you what you should do in future. - Make a thread about the moderation grievance in website feedback - Don't make stupid comments like 'I bet moderator is a toss player' That part was pretty funny, lol. The vitriol for Protoss is so rampant right now, it's appearing in all sorts of places now! | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
gl to him. | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
p.s. what i rly don't like about latest happenings (naniwa and taeja)... Most accomplished players retire (or tend to retire, lose interest, can't find motivation). That reeeeaally makes me sad. Don't want to start the "deadgeijm bs" flame, but this isn't a good indicator to what's happening to the scene. It seems that it all comes to where it belong... back to korea. Foreign scene is dropping even deeper (NASL, WCS AM...), naniwa retiring, scarlett and state moving to korea. Who's left guys? Do you hope any foreigner whould make it to WCS Globals this year. I can bet anything that won't happen. Meanwhile in KOREA... SPL viewership tripples and nexon arena is stacked with fangirls even on monday. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3346 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On March 18 2014 10:41 Plansix wrote: Oh get over it and stop looking for something that isn't there. Taeja is a class act and wished sOs luck because he is a good guy. On March 16 2014 07:27 Plansix wrote: No more threads about twitter posts where players say they are going to retire. Only when they have retired. Also, Taeja a bit of a drama queen. People see what they want to see they say. Really hope he'l continue. A legend! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 18 2014 17:29 insitelol wrote: ... p.s. what i rly don't like about latest happenings (naniwa and taeja)... Most accomplished players retire (or tend to retire, lose interest, can't find motivation). That reeeeaally makes me sad. Don't want to start the "deadgeijm bs" flame, but this isn't a good indicator to what's happening to the scene. It seems that it all comes to where it belong... back to korea. Foreign scene is dropping even deeper (NASL, WCS AM...), naniwa retiring, scarlett and state moving to korea. Who's left guys? Do you hope any foreigner whould make it to WCS Globals this year. I can bet anything that won't happen. Meanwhile in KOREA... SPL viewership tripples and nexon arena is stacked with fangirls even on monday. Well, even the best players have to retire some day. As it tears my heart - Ryan Giggs will retire some day as well. BTW foreign scene is Europe too  And EU may not have any top class player _right_ now, it may change(go TLO! ) | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On March 18 2014 17:59 deacon.frost wrote: Well, even the best players have to retire some day. As it tears my heart - Ryan Giggs will retire some day as well. BTW foreign scene is Europe too And EU may not have any top class player _right_ now, it may change(go TLO! )America needs a stable tournament, something like what WCS America is for Koreans. I think it's pretty hard even for popular players like CatZ or qxc to keep up in exposure with more successful players when they don't get to play certain bigger tournaments regularlily. | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
On March 18 2014 18:15 Big J wrote: America needs a stable tournament, something like what WCS America is for Koreans. I think it's pretty hard even for popular players like CatZ or qxc to keep up in exposure with more successful players when they don't get to play certain bigger tournaments regularlily. I have nothing against american players. But it's obvious they can't be compared to even mediocre koreans (let alone scarlett and state). Btw i guess they have this kind of tourneys (shoutcraft and something else, correct me if i'm wrong), where there are no koreans. But the thing is WCS was brought to us by blizzard (in the first place) as a system which allows local talent to shine, help locals improve etc. It fulfilled its role to some extent but overall it's not there. Noone to be blamed. Rly. Koreans are just better and I do believe that the purpose of the WCS Global Finals is doubted because of that. You all blame naniwa for being such an asshole. Yes he is. But he saved Blizzard's idea behind WCS last year. He is the savior. Like it or not. Yes he lost in ro16, but HE made me get up at 5 a.m. to whatch his games vs soulkey. AND i didnt regret that at all. What whould blizzcon look like with 16 koreans? Why do u need those guys to move to NA for some kind of Global event if they are fine with SPL and Code S? What do they need to prove there? That they are the absolute best? That just sounds wrong. Ye, i know there are ppl out there who just like whatching their local heroes play. I do too always cheer for MY guys. But, in the first place, i'd like to watch top tier games. As a spectator. And i just find this WCS AM thing a bit... artificial. It literally became an alternative code A with 50% spots reserved for americans. This is the reason why i want JD to move to Korea and join a Kespa team. He wastes his talent there. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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insitelol
845 Posts
On March 18 2014 18:55 boxerfred wrote: I could just agree on we all dislike the idea of Taeja retiring? Ofc we all don't want him to. But we can't deny its mutual. And that's even more sad :/ | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 18 2014 17:46 Sapphire.lux wrote: People see what they want to see they say. Really hope he'l continue. A legend! Taeja is a class act and a drama queen. He never goes full Idra, just gets all emo. But he never calls out his opponent or bitches that he lose do to imbalance. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On March 18 2014 18:55 boxerfred wrote: I could just agree on we all dislike the idea of Taeja retiring? Not if we don't actually agree on it. | ||
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xxxKagexxx
France43 Posts
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Gen.Rolly
United States200 Posts
7 = Terran wins (Mvp, Innovation, Polt (x2), Maru, Bomber, MMA) 5 = Protoss wins (HerO, duckdeok, Dear (x2), sOs) 1 = Zerg win (Soulkey, and barely) Granted, since about January, Protoss players have won a few foreign tournaments (IEMs in particular), and are looking strong in the GSL, but Terran continue to perform strongly in Proleague. If any race is underpowered recently, Zerg has been, but I do not hear Soulkey, Jaedong, Life, or Leenock rumoring they will retire "soon." | ||
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fireforce7
United States334 Posts
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TeamBanished
United States301 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On March 18 2014 18:55 boxerfred wrote: I could just agree on we all dislike the idea of Taeja retiring? I'm totally fine if Taeja with retiring. No problem, it is not the end of the world for me. If the guy wants to move on, get an education and so on, then by all means he should! | ||
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yido
United States350 Posts
If not, go now before more study if you 20+ (korean age). | ||
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partydude89
1850 Posts
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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d00p
711 Posts
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On April 03 2014 00:01 partydude89 wrote: Does anyone have any updates on this? He seems to be playing in ATC and stuff. So did he officially decide not to retire? or is he just playing casually? doubt he will retire anytime soon. I think this is his norm lol | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
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bypLy
757 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On April 03 2014 18:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Just a quick update. TaeJa's wrists were in really bad shape after IEM and he felt he needed to seriously reconsider being a progamer. It was definitely a more serious remark than the times before it. After a (much needed) break his wrists and mind have started to feel better and he has decided he to continue to play SC2. I can't predict how his wrists will keep up, but as long as he feels comfortable we will support him in that decision. In communciation with TaeJa we have decided to lower the intensity of his schedule so that in between tournaments he can focus on recovering in Korea. Wuhuuu. Nice to hear that. | ||
LastManProductions
United States252 Posts
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
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Gowerly
United Kingdom916 Posts
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Penev
28472 Posts
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
I want a lot more Taeja, but at the expense of his health?! What is this Sophie's choice bullshit! Obviously Taeja needs to find a way to not have hurt wrists anymore. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On April 03 2014 18:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Just a quick update. TaeJa's wrists were in really bad shape after IEM and he felt he needed to seriously reconsider being a progamer. It was definitely a more serious remark than the times before it. After a (much needed) break his wrists and mind have started to feel better and he has decided he to continue to play SC2. I can't predict how his wrists will keep up, but as long as he feels comfortable we will support him in that decision. In communciation with TaeJa we have decided to lower the intensity of his schedule so that in between tournaments he can focus on recovering in Korea. As someone who has had wrist pain, I learned it is so important to exercise the arms regularly. It's much easier to prevent the problem from occurring from good habits then to "fix" the pain afterwards. The topic of wrist health is so rarely talked about. I wonder what steps he is going to take to keep his wrists pain free. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On April 03 2014 19:03 Squat wrote: As good as this is to hear, we should keep in mind that Taeja's wrist issues will never truly heal as long as he is a pro gamer. Keeping expectations of how long he will stick around to a realistic level is a good idea here. Well, TLO's wrists have seemed to have recovered so I think that as long as Taeja exercises regularly and doesn't strain himself then I think he could be okay to continue. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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Taronar
Netherlands177 Posts
On April 03 2014 19:12 Squat wrote: That's because he took an actual break, and while his wrists are better, they will never fully recover until he stops playing professionally. I am sorry, but that's just not how the human body works. Taeja is on a clock, and likely not a very long one. Yes that is true till some extend, but you can really extend your clock with good equipment. I really look foward to see TaeJae play again. He is one of my favorite Terrans to watch and I really hope he can show us a lot more of great plays! | ||
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Lorch
Germany3674 Posts
On April 03 2014 19:02 TRaFFiC wrote: As someone who has had wrist pain, I learned it is so important to exercise the arms regularly. It's much easier to prevent the problem from occurring from good habits then to "fix" the pain afterwards. The topic of wrist health is so rarely talked about. I wonder what steps he is going to take to keep his wrists pain free. Hopefully he sees an actual doctor and does exercises etc. I couldn't agree more with your post, regular exercise, even if you don't have much pain at all, is the best way to keep your wrists healthy. Personally, I keep slacking when it doesn't hurt at all and I do it a lot when it starts to hurt T.T I can only recommend to anyone who has ever felt anything even close to pain in their wrists to do exercises on a daily basis. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On April 03 2014 19:12 Squat wrote: That's because he took an actual break, and while his wrists are better, they will never fully recover until he stops playing professionally. I am sorry, but that's just not how the human body works. Taeja is on a clock, and likely not a very long one. I'm not sure if this is true. I sure hope it is not. TLO is playing the best sc2 of his life. I wasn't aware he still had wrist issues? What does sc2 do to the wrists specifically that causes unrepairable damage? There are parallels to be drawn from professional pianists. They use many of the same techniques to prevent and solve injuries. I just did a quick Google search.Most injuries can be fixed via rehab, but if you continue practicing through extreme pain, that's the worst thing you can do. I can't find any article citing age or wrist issues for retirement in music. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On April 03 2014 18:39 Gowerly wrote: You think you'll be able to convince him to work on keeping his wrist strength through physio and better practice, as TLO did? When it comes to taking care of his health it's mainly TaeJa and his family who figure out what is best and we just help out where we can. He's currently getting treatment on a daily basis for it which he is supposed to keep up with when he's in Korea. | ||
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superpanda27
111 Posts
On April 03 2014 19:47 TRaFFiC wrote: I'm not sure if this is true. I sure hope it is not. TLO is playing the best sc2 of his life. I wasn't aware he still had wrist issues? What does sc2 do to the wrists specifically that causes unrepairable damage? There are parallels to be drawn from professional pianists. They use many of the same techniques to prevent and solve injuries. I just did a quick Google search.Most injuries can be fixed via rehab, but if you continue practicing through extreme pain, that's the worst thing you can do. I can't find any article citing age or wrist issues for retirement in music. Taeja you mean? It's not that it is irreparable, it's that it will never be 100% unless he stops playing. Focus on quality practice instead of quantity and maybe find alternative ways to practice SC2 other than pure playing which is what I imagine he does. This injury keeps happening and returning mostly because of the amount he is playing. And depending on which wrist it is you can only parallel to pianists so much. Also in comparison to pianists, I don't think they practice as long as SC2 players do especially given how we know Koreans practice. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On April 03 2014 19:47 TRaFFiC wrote: I'm not sure if this is true. I sure hope it is not. TLO is playing the best sc2 of his life. I wasn't aware he still had wrist issues? What does sc2 do to the wrists specifically that causes unrepairable damage? There are parallels to be drawn from professional pianists. They use many of the same techniques to prevent and solve injuries. I just did a quick Google search.Most injuries can be fixed via rehab, but if you continue practicing through extreme pain, that's the worst thing you can do. I can't find any article citing age or wrist issues for retirement in music. Well that's the issue, it won't get better as long as he keeps playing. And you can't really maintain your skills in a game like SC2, at the level Taeja is playing, without playing at least a few hours per day. He could keep reducing his practice schedule until it feels adequate, but if that leaves him uncompetitive due to insufficient practice, what's the point? As for what causes the injuries, repeated, jerky, small movements will produce joint problems, no matter in what context. Bio stutter step micro is probably one of the best ways to murder a wrist I can think of. The human wrist really is not very well suited for high intensity computer usage for hours on end every day. | ||
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mongmong
Korea (South)1389 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On April 03 2014 18:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Just a quick update. TaeJa's wrists were in really bad shape after IEM and he felt he needed to seriously reconsider being a progamer. It was definitely a more serious remark than the times before it. After a (much needed) break his wrists and mind have started to feel better and he has decided he to continue to play SC2. I can't predict how his wrists will keep up, but as long as he feels comfortable we will support him in that decision. In communciation with TaeJa we have decided to lower the intensity of his schedule so that in between tournaments he can focus on recovering in Korea. Oh my god. Taeja. Stop making me worried >.< Thanks for updating us, very thankful that he's not retiring. | ||
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Thyrym
89 Posts
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TheFlexN
Israel472 Posts
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Qwerty85
Croatia5536 Posts
P.S. I think it would be a good idea to edit the title as well since we have an update on his status... | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On April 03 2014 21:15 TheFlexN wrote: Thank you so much for the update Nazgul. I wish to ask, from what it seems right now, the condition on his wrists looks to be a permanent thing or does he just need a short break to rest and then with the new practice plan it will disappear? Honestly it's such a weird condition even though so many people have hand/wrist/arm problems I don't get the impression it's possible for experts to really say anything definitive like that about it. TLO plays largely painfree but he went through so much to get there. Other players never seem to get rid of it entirely and just continue to play with it, and others yet are forced to quit. | ||
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MirageTaN
Singapore871 Posts
On April 03 2014 21:22 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Honestly it's such a weird condition even though so many people have hand/wrist/arm problems I don't get the impression it's possible for experts to really say anything definitive like that about it. TLO plays largely painfree but he went through so much to get there. Other players never seem to get rid of it entirely and just continue to play with it, and others yet are forced to quit. Thats so unfortunate I wish that TaeJa wasnt plagued by this. | ||
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Nightwishone
Italy391 Posts
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StarMoon
Canada682 Posts
During the day, get something like this: http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/1812560893554040_1.jpg. Just wear it constantly (at a comfortable tightness). It helps a LOT. When you sleep, wear: http://www.physioroom.com/images/products//full/38201_image2.jpg The support across the bridge of the hand is key here. This doesn't replace physiotherapy (which also helps a ton) but definitely makes a big difference. Please consider passing on this information to your players Nazgul; it may not be a great revelation but as I said almost NO progammers use passive wrist supports when I see streamed games, especially Koreans. Also, Taeja is a great player and one of the best examples of talent scouting I've ever seen. I really hope he can recover and go back to his dominance, one of the absolute best terrans in the world when he's on his game and has a great attitude. We would all be sad to lose him. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On April 06 2014 05:46 Dunmer wrote: Have you ever considered giving Taeja an extended break to really focus on his exercises/treatment? Something like a month of 2 off very light training and no real tournaments commitment. Would be ideal to do during a downtime period but there isnt much room there On April 03 2014 18:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Just a quick update. TaeJa's wrists were in really bad shape after IEM and he felt he needed to seriously reconsider being a progamer. It was definitely a more serious remark than the times before it. After a (much needed) break his wrists and mind have started to feel better and he has decided he to continue to play SC2. I can't predict how his wrists will keep up, but as long as he feels comfortable we will support him in that decision. In communciation with TaeJa we have decided to lower the intensity of his schedule so that in between tournaments he can focus on recovering in Korea. | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
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