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On March 15 2014 05:03 Pierrot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:53 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 04:37 darkscream wrote:
TBH this isnt the first time naniwa invented some arbitrary reason why the tournament stage computers are unacceptable in some way, and he has been talking about having no passion and never practicing.
I don't blame soundproofing for him losing a game to polt with a completely amateur strategy and execution, and I really do hope we don't see any more Naniwa. He just does not seem happy to be part of the community or really care if he gets a chance to play on stage. Starcraft 2 isn't in a place where we can support obnoxious bad boys anymore. Now that Naniwa is gone, the only people you'll be supporting are Koreans. You literally won't see another foreigner in a big tournament anymore. Did Scarlett die or something?! Also, the people we cheered for in BW were all Korean, and that never mattered to anyone. Yes, foreigners did compete, and Guillaume won the first OSL, but foreigners simply could not compete at that level (or chose not to) for the vast majority of BW's professional lifetime. (BW isn't dead to me, as long as we have people like Sonic, and Sayle!) Seriously, the last time a non-korean played in Proleague was like, 2004. That did not matter.
1. Scarlett is amazing but let me know when she makes a global finals.
2. The BW fanbase is not the same as the SC2 fanbase. Can we agree on that? SC2 is much more decentralized than BW and foreigner success contributes greatly to the game's popularity.
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Difficult to tell if he is a genuine arse or just an unhappy kid. I hope he will continue playing though as he is one of the best foreigner out there.
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What a jerk.
Yeah, at least he could've given the spot to someone else. What a shame. And Polt gets a free-bee. =(
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Well. To be fair. The sound is pretty crap. I'm not surprised he could hear the crowd or whatever.
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A more memorable way to go then simply getting stomped by Polt after a month of no practice, i suppose.
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On March 15 2014 05:08 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Difficult to tell if he is a genuine arse or just an unhappy kid. I hope he will continue playing though as he is one of the best foreigner out there.
Why are the two mutually exclusive? He's been a genuine arse the entire time he's been on the scene, even if he is unhappy now that doesn't really excuse past or current behavior.
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Is the a VOD of the winners interview with Polt that followed this? Interested to hear if he can vouch for the sound thing or if it was just a good scout.
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I've also said this before in the nasl thread. All that money spent and still can't get decent production/ sound.
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On March 15 2014 04:58 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:27 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 15 2014 04:14 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 04:06 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 15 2014 03:09 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:
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I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you?
Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you???
He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past. wtf... you never, never, NEVER were a fan of naniwa. every true fan knows, that naniwa does not give any stinking shit about "sportsmanship" or stuff like that. You don't decide whether or not I am or was a fan of someone, nor do you get to decide who is a "true fan" and who isn't. I was willing to look past much of the stuff Naniwa pulled because his mindset and singular devotion to becoming a champion was inspiring, but there is a limit to what I can shrug off. Naniwa may not give much of a shit about sportsmanship (although he on several occasions claimed that he had learned to), but I do. I do not have to think like Naniwa to be a fan of him. no, i can not decide if you were a fan of naniwa or not. in my opinion "beeing a true fan" just means more than "i liked his playstyle / skill / effort". So what does it mean to be a fan, exactly?
beeing a fan means to like someone, because he is like he is. naniwa always was an asshole, he is acting like one for over 7 esport years. true fans know that, and like him anyway, because they understand his attitude.
ps: i am no fan of naniwa, i am a hater since 2007.
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On March 15 2014 05:13 Grobyc wrote:
Is the a VOD of the winners interview with Polt that followed this? Interested to hear if he can vouch for the sound thing or if it was just a good scout.
pretty sure Polt would have scouted that way regardless, the crowd wasn't the reason he found the gate. still, that doesn't mean that naniwa's complaint wasn't legit. did polt win because crowd noise? absolutely not. was naniwa right to whine about the booths? who knows, any of the players that were in those booths today could tell us.
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lol in a previous thread i mentioned naniwa is like a version of idra that is actually good at the game.
this just proves it. the guy should have some self respect and class. tarnishes his entire legacy to retire in this fashion. what a loser
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If it really was sound proofing good for him imo.
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On March 15 2014 05:03 Pierrot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:53 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 04:37 darkscream wrote:
TBH this isnt the first time naniwa invented some arbitrary reason why the tournament stage computers are unacceptable in some way, and he has been talking about having no passion and never practicing.
I don't blame soundproofing for him losing a game to polt with a completely amateur strategy and execution, and I really do hope we don't see any more Naniwa. He just does not seem happy to be part of the community or really care if he gets a chance to play on stage. Starcraft 2 isn't in a place where we can support obnoxious bad boys anymore. Now that Naniwa is gone, the only people you'll be supporting are Koreans. You literally won't see another foreigner in a big tournament anymore. Did Scarlett die or something?! Also, the people we cheered for in BW were all Korean, and that never mattered to anyone. Yes, foreigners did compete, and Guillaume won the first OSL, but foreigners simply could not compete at that level (or chose not to) for the vast majority of BW's professional lifetime. (BW isn't dead to me, as long as we have people like Sonic, and Sayle!) Seriously, the last time a non-korean played in Proleague was like, 2004. That did not matter.
I would also argue Scarlett is on the same level as Naniwa. She plays a different race so you cannot equate the two beyond a shadow of a doubt. Also, just so you have your facts clear, Stephano went 6-5 in sc2 Proleague (with wins over herO, sOs, ZerO, etc).
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I can't believe people are comparing naniwa to Zidane. Zidane was a champ and despite red card in a very controversial situation (not because he got a red card but what and why exactly happend) he was leaving the stadium with standing ovations from whole stadium because that's what he deserved for end of his career. And if anyone thinks worse of Zidane because of that incident, I don't understand why. He was classy before, he was classy after and from what was told he stood up for his family when he got the red card. Naniwa? I'm afraid he never stood up for anyone but himself.
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Finding it exceedingly difficult to be mad or offended by this without knowing factually if he's full of it or not.
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On March 15 2014 05:07 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 05:03 Pierrot wrote:On March 15 2014 04:53 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 04:37 darkscream wrote:
TBH this isnt the first time naniwa invented some arbitrary reason why the tournament stage computers are unacceptable in some way, and he has been talking about having no passion and never practicing.
I don't blame soundproofing for him losing a game to polt with a completely amateur strategy and execution, and I really do hope we don't see any more Naniwa. He just does not seem happy to be part of the community or really care if he gets a chance to play on stage. Starcraft 2 isn't in a place where we can support obnoxious bad boys anymore. Now that Naniwa is gone, the only people you'll be supporting are Koreans. You literally won't see another foreigner in a big tournament anymore. Did Scarlett die or something?! Also, the people we cheered for in BW were all Korean, and that never mattered to anyone. Yes, foreigners did compete, and Guillaume won the first OSL, but foreigners simply could not compete at that level (or chose not to) for the vast majority of BW's professional lifetime. (BW isn't dead to me, as long as we have people like Sonic, and Sayle!) Seriously, the last time a non-korean played in Proleague was like, 2004. That did not matter. 1. Scarlett is amazing but let me know when she makes a global finals. 2. The BW fanbase is not the same as the SC2 fanbase. Can we agree on that? SC2 is much more decentralized than BW and foreigner success contributes greatly to the game's popularity.
Yes, you are correct on your first point. She is amazing, but has yet to reach heights that Naniwa has in his prime form.
As for the second, I agree with that whole-heatedly. I think it's a little sad, personally, but you are completely right.
SC2 is far, far more decentralized. But even with the utter domination of Koreans, foreigners had their own tournaments, their own scene, in a way. I'm sure people lamented the lack of a truly competitive non-Korean, and Idra raised the hopes of those people when he traveled to Korea to pursue progaming.
Even now, ex-pros and sospa players will destroy the best player outside of Korea (Sziky), but...that just isn't a big deal? People still play, and still compete, because they love it. Do high level foreign BW players even care that they aren't in sospa tournaments?
Most of that is a little rambly, my apologies. I do completely agree with the points that you made, though.
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I can't remember a time I thought Naniwa didn't have a shit attitude, all the way through WC3, WoL and now HotS. He's always been a dick and it was kind of annoying to me to see so many people support him simply because he was good at starcraft. I personally can't in good conscience support rude dickheads.
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On March 15 2014 05:21 Gen.Rolly wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 05:03 Pierrot wrote:On March 15 2014 04:53 hariooo wrote:On March 15 2014 04:37 darkscream wrote:
TBH this isnt the first time naniwa invented some arbitrary reason why the tournament stage computers are unacceptable in some way, and he has been talking about having no passion and never practicing.
I don't blame soundproofing for him losing a game to polt with a completely amateur strategy and execution, and I really do hope we don't see any more Naniwa. He just does not seem happy to be part of the community or really care if he gets a chance to play on stage. Starcraft 2 isn't in a place where we can support obnoxious bad boys anymore. Now that Naniwa is gone, the only people you'll be supporting are Koreans. You literally won't see another foreigner in a big tournament anymore. Did Scarlett die or something?! Also, the people we cheered for in BW were all Korean, and that never mattered to anyone. Yes, foreigners did compete, and Guillaume won the first OSL, but foreigners simply could not compete at that level (or chose not to) for the vast majority of BW's professional lifetime. (BW isn't dead to me, as long as we have people like Sonic, and Sayle!) Seriously, the last time a non-korean played in Proleague was like, 2004. That did not matter. I would also argue Scarlett is on the same level as Naniwa. She plays a different race so you cannot equate the two beyond a shadow of a doubt. Also, just so you have your facts clear, Stephano went 6-5 in sc2 Proleague (with wins over herO, sOs, ZerO, etc).
Thank you for correctly me so politely. =)
But I can assure you I do not need to be reminded of what Stephano accomplished. I was speaking of BW specifically for the proleague example, but was not as clear as I could have been.
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poor guy, hope he finds something he enjoys
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