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On March 15 2014 01:26 Firkraag8 wrote:
The way he went about it was inappropriate, but if he could hear the crowd then he has a legitimate reason to be upset if then also the admin wouldn't hear his side of it.
LOL swedes will always try to find way to defend their hero, even now .. wow..
I'm glad the autist is finally out, it took long enough
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On March 15 2014 05:15 LamaMitHut wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:58 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 04:27 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 15 2014 04:14 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 04:06 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 15 2014 03:09 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:
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He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past. wtf... you never, never, NEVER were a fan of naniwa. every true fan knows, that naniwa does not give any stinking shit about "sportsmanship" or stuff like that. You don't decide whether or not I am or was a fan of someone, nor do you get to decide who is a "true fan" and who isn't. I was willing to look past much of the stuff Naniwa pulled because his mindset and singular devotion to becoming a champion was inspiring, but there is a limit to what I can shrug off. Naniwa may not give much of a shit about sportsmanship (although he on several occasions claimed that he had learned to), but I do. I do not have to think like Naniwa to be a fan of him. no, i can not decide if you were a fan of naniwa or not. in my opinion "beeing a true fan" just means more than "i liked his playstyle / skill / effort". So what does it mean to be a fan, exactly? beeing a fan means to like someone, because he is like he is. naniwa always was an asshole, he is acting like one for over 7 esport years. true fans know that, and like him anyway, because they understand his attitude. ps: i am no fan of naniwa, i am a hater since 2007.
It's true. Zealously is a conditional fan, a Starcraft 2 fan, or a fair-weather fan.
Fan is short for fanatic, so Naniwa fans are just fanatically into him - as a person. Starcraft 2 or Protoss fans might have appreciated his play at some point, but they aren't Naniwa fans unless they're able to fully ignore his irrational, self-destructive behaviour. Being fanatical about something means being blind to reason when it concerns your idol. Being a Naniwa fan means defending that which cannot be defended; if you are happy to admit that you are a living contradiction, or were at some point, then bam! Naniwa fan.
Now, I'm a long-time Bomber fan, a Cella fan, and a Ryung fan ever since he popped up on Cella's stream one day at the SlayerS house - before his debut at GSTL. Nothing they can do will ever be wrong. They are the best, even if they're not. I will defend them, even if I end up looking like a complete idiot.
I can't say I hate Naniwa, but I am no fan, and never was. He played some great games, but who didn't who rose up to his level and stayed there for a while? Having played well doesn't make acting like a child forgivable, nor should I support his "free-spirited" demeanor. He took someone else's spot who would have given it their all.
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On March 15 2014 04:46 Clicker wrote:
I'm not even a Naniwa fan but I feel bad for him. Look at this mess over the past couple of days - I hope someone from Alliance at least attempted to reach out to him.
No need to feel bad for him. He's always been kind of a douche. Like someone else already said, Naniwa is just a better playing version Idra.
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On March 15 2014 05:32 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 05:15 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 15 2014 04:58 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 04:27 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 15 2014 04:14 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 04:06 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 15 2014 03:09 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:
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Your memory is one-day long or what?
Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past. wtf... you never, never, NEVER were a fan of naniwa. every true fan knows, that naniwa does not give any stinking shit about "sportsmanship" or stuff like that. You don't decide whether or not I am or was a fan of someone, nor do you get to decide who is a "true fan" and who isn't. I was willing to look past much of the stuff Naniwa pulled because his mindset and singular devotion to becoming a champion was inspiring, but there is a limit to what I can shrug off. Naniwa may not give much of a shit about sportsmanship (although he on several occasions claimed that he had learned to), but I do. I do not have to think like Naniwa to be a fan of him. no, i can not decide if you were a fan of naniwa or not. in my opinion "beeing a true fan" just means more than "i liked his playstyle / skill / effort". So what does it mean to be a fan, exactly? beeing a fan means to like someone, because he is like he is. naniwa always was an asshole, he is acting like one for over 7 esport years. true fans know that, and like him anyway, because they understand his attitude. ps: i am no fan of naniwa, i am a hater since 2007. It's true. Zealously is a conditional fan, a Starcraft 2 fan, or a fair-weather fan. Fan is short for fanatic, so Naniwa fans are just fanatically into him - as a person. Starcraft 2 or Protoss fans might have appreciated his play at some point, but they aren't Naniwa fans unless they're able to fully ignore his irrational, self-destructive behaviour. Being fanatical about something means being blind to reason when it concerns your idol. Being a Naniwa fan means defending that which cannot be defended; if you are happy to admit that you are a living contradiction, or were at some point, then bam! Naniwa fan. Now, I'm a long-time Bomber fan, a Cella fan, and a Ryung fan ever since he popped up on Cella's stream one day at the SlayerS house - before his debut at GSTL. Nothing they can do will ever be wrong. They are the best, even if they're not. I will defend them, even if I end up looking like a complete idiot. I can't say I hate Naniwa, but I am no fan, and never was. He played some great games, but who didn't who rose up to his level and stayed there for a while? Having played well doesn't make acting like a child forgivable, nor should I support his "free-spirited" demeanor. He took someone else's spot who would have given it their all.
And I don't have to support players who aren't good enough to qualify for IEM in the first place.
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I cannot understand why some people still take NaNiwa's side on this issue. What he did is completely disrespectful to Polt, IEM, the crowd, and himself. He may have produced some good games during his career, but I will not call him a good player as he does not even have the sportsmanship to qualify as a professional player. Good riddance.
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On March 15 2014 01:32 vult wrote:
Cant really see any team pick him up given that attitude, honestly this is worse PR and behavior than IdrA's forum post that eventually led to EG releasing him.
I see his retirement being permanent.
idra wasn't released for that forum post, he was left EG on his own terms even though they offered him another contract (well i believe they offered another one).
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thanks naniwa, you once again prooved youre a big douchebag
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Do players at IEM Katowice receive WCS points? If so is it also a T1/T2 event? If so I wonder what blizzards reaction will be. We may actually get to find out how they precisely define their perception of the "sound dampening" that's required. See: https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/gallery/A3JHSFLANAZW1384955808934.jpg
As far as Naniwa himself is concerned it is a lot more difficult to form an opinion as to whether or not this was the right thing for him to choose. What I would say is that Naniwa himself is the best source to draw from.
Lastly lets not forget that Johan has shown us that he has the ability and drive to remind ourselves of and to check our assumptions and preconceived notions regarding the skill, opportunity and determination required to succeed at the highest level with this game. How highly you should regard that is subjective.
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On March 15 2014 05:34 newbornducky wrote:
I cannot understand why some people still take NaNiwa's side on this issue. What he did is completely disrespectful to Polt, IEM, the crowd, and himself. He may have produced some good games during his career, but I will not call him a good player as he does not even have the sportsmanship to qualify as a professional player. Good riddance.
He's been the best foreigner player regardless of whether you call him that or not. Some things are just facts.
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On March 15 2014 01:32 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Good riddance. I used to be indifferent to Naniwa despite all the hate he received but now I just don't even like the guy anymore. He's been a total asshat one too many times for me.
My exact thoughts and stance on him now. As far as I am concerned, I hope he doesn't return.
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Once again, Naniwa acts like a little bitch. Good riddance.
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Honestly, I wonder if the people who keep defending Naniwa's behaviour behave as horribly as he does in public. There isn't a single reason why anyone should excuse him.
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Revival should have went for the Hyuntralisk
EDIT: oops wrong thread, glhf playing LoL in your hotel room Naniwa.
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I'll say this.
I've been a fan of Naniwa for three straight years, ever since he won that MLG going undefeated and not losing a single map until the final. There's no doubt that he, along with Stephano, have been the best foreigners over that period. He's been the only foreigner at several events. He was the only one qualifying for Blizzcon, albeit barely. He was the only one qualifying for this IEM. Nani made it clear very early that he wasn't here for the fans or the audience. He was here because he wanted to be the best. He did all of this for himself, not for you or for me. Let me say it again. HE MADE IT CLEAR VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER. Now that he's probably retiring, everyone jumps on him and insults him, calls him a kid for being selfish. Did you guys start watching SC2 in 2014?
This wasn't a nice way of going out, but it was the nani-way. Also, about the soundproofing. Impossible to know if it had anything to do with what Polt did in the game, but clearly Naniwa heard the crowd/casters and assumed Polt could too.
Goodbye Naniwa, good luck.
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On March 15 2014 05:29 ZCive2 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 01:26 Firkraag8 wrote:
The way he went about it was inappropriate, but if he could hear the crowd then he has a legitimate reason to be upset if then also the admin wouldn't hear his side of it. LOL swedes will always try to find way to defend their hero, even now .. wow.. I'm glad the autist is finally out, it took long enough
.......he wasnt defending his "hero"......you even pointed that out in your quote? Are you just a hate fan? Grow up kid
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On March 15 2014 04:53 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:37 darkscream wrote:
TBH this isnt the first time naniwa invented some arbitrary reason why the tournament stage computers are unacceptable in some way, and he has been talking about having no passion and never practicing.
I don't blame soundproofing for him losing a game to polt with a completely amateur strategy and execution, and I really do hope we don't see any more Naniwa. He just does not seem happy to be part of the community or really care if he gets a chance to play on stage. Starcraft 2 isn't in a place where we can support obnoxious bad boys anymore. Now that Naniwa is gone, the only people you'll be supporting are Koreans. You literally won't see another foreigner in a big tournament anymore.
Which is fine, because I'm a fan of cetain koreans for their personalities, I don't like the bland ones that much even if they're the champion and I don't much care for the showboats either. For a while I liked foreigners who were good even if they were jerks, but these days I just don't think being a walking tabloid story is the way to go for ROI.
Then there's the angle that Nani probably wasn't feeling like playing anyway and knew ahead of time, meaning he filled a very lucrative spot which could have been given to the open bracket or an invite if it were done ahead of time. If a korean forfeit in this way they'd at least be more apologetic. Suppose Naniwa is correct and the players can hear "everything", you better bet a korean player would try to play through the circumstances even if they gave him a loss.
We have no time or energy for divas anymore IMO, not in korea or europe, or anywhere else. At least, I know I don't.
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On March 15 2014 05:39 WillS wrote:Do players at IEM Katowice receive WCS points? If so is it also a T1/T2 event? If so I wonder what blizzards reaction will be. We may actually get to find out how they precisely define their perception of the "sound dampening" that's required. See: https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/gallery/A3JHSFLANAZW1384955808934.jpgAs far as Naniwa himself is concerned it is a lot more difficult to form an opinion as to whether or not this was the right thing for him to choose. What I would say is that Naniwa himself is the best source to draw from. Lastly lets not forget that Johan has shown us that he has the ability and drive to remind ourselves of and to check our assumptions and preconceived notions regarding the skill, opportunity and determination required to succeed at the highest level with this game. How highly you should regard that is subjective.
It awards WCS points.
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On March 15 2014 05:32 dUTtrOACh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 05:15 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 15 2014 04:58 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 04:27 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 15 2014 04:14 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 04:06 LamaMitHut wrote:On March 15 2014 03:09 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:
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Your memory is one-day long or what?
Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past. wtf... you never, never, NEVER were a fan of naniwa. every true fan knows, that naniwa does not give any stinking shit about "sportsmanship" or stuff like that. You don't decide whether or not I am or was a fan of someone, nor do you get to decide who is a "true fan" and who isn't. I was willing to look past much of the stuff Naniwa pulled because his mindset and singular devotion to becoming a champion was inspiring, but there is a limit to what I can shrug off. Naniwa may not give much of a shit about sportsmanship (although he on several occasions claimed that he had learned to), but I do. I do not have to think like Naniwa to be a fan of him. no, i can not decide if you were a fan of naniwa or not. in my opinion "beeing a true fan" just means more than "i liked his playstyle / skill / effort". So what does it mean to be a fan, exactly? beeing a fan means to like someone, because he is like he is. naniwa always was an asshole, he is acting like one for over 7 esport years. true fans know that, and like him anyway, because they understand his attitude. ps: i am no fan of naniwa, i am a hater since 2007. It's true. Zealously is a conditional fan, a Starcraft 2 fan, or a fair-weather fan. Fan is short for fanatic, so Naniwa fans are just fanatically into him - as a person. Starcraft 2 or Protoss fans might have appreciated his play at some point, but they aren't Naniwa fans unless they're able to fully ignore his irrational, self-destructive behaviour. Being fanatical about something means being blind to reason when it concerns your idol. Being a Naniwa fan means defending that which cannot be defended; if you are happy to admit that you are a living contradiction, or were at some point, then bam! Naniwa fan. Now, I'm a long-time Bomber fan, a Cella fan, and a Ryung fan ever since he popped up on Cella's stream one day at the SlayerS house - before his debut at GSTL. Nothing they can do will ever be wrong. They are the best, even if they're not. I will defend them, even if I end up looking like a complete idiot. I can't say I hate Naniwa, but I am no fan, and never was. He played some great games, but who didn't who rose up to his level and stayed there for a while? Having played well doesn't make acting like a child forgivable, nor should I support his "free-spirited" demeanor. He took someone else's spot who would have given it their all.
I think hes a STARCRAFT FANATIC more than a Naniwa fan. Most people who are fans of people like Naniwa (Destiny comes to mind) and to a certain extent Idra loyalties lie with the player more than the scene. In the end its fucking stupid because you wouldnt know of the player without the scene and for him to shit all over the scene doesnt make anymore sense for him than it does for his so called fans willing to support him even while he shits on said scene.
At the end of the day this is about starcraft and its a little annoying that people who ardently follow these personalities dont understand what the fuck comes first. You question his loyalty towards Naniwa? Maybe you should question your loyalty towards the game that made that kid famous.
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i expected probe rush. this is disappointing
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