Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep.
From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)?
He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing.
I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness?
I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past.
wtf... you never, never, NEVER were a fan of naniwa. every true fan knows, that naniwa does not give any stinking shit about "sportsmanship" or stuff like that.
You don't decide whether or not I am or was a fan of someone, nor do you get to decide who is a "true fan" and who isn't. I was willing to look past much of the stuff Naniwa pulled because his mindset and singular devotion to becoming a champion was inspiring, but there is a limit to what I can shrug off. Naniwa may not give much of a shit about sportsmanship (although he on several occasions claimed that he had learned to), but I do. I do not have to think like Naniwa to be a fan of him.
no, i can not decide if you were a fan of naniwa or not. in my opinion "beeing a true fan" just means more than "i liked his playstyle / skill / effort".
So what does it mean to be a fan, exactly?
Duh you have to scream "Naniwa kun please notice meeee" in a tsundere voice in hope you grab his attention. Then hide your face if he sees you, update your status on facebook that he might like you.
oh god naniwa fans are worse than idra fans. like seriously this pms lunatic is saying that others are not "true" fans? he's seriously pulling the no true scotsman fallacy (which is used in religious arguments typically when christians say so and so is not a "true" christian)
lolololol wow. the fact is naniwa went out like a little bitch and a lot of people lost tons of respect for him. the probe rush was bad enough, but its obvious he didn't learn anything from it.
PS: audience members are what makes esports possible. no audience, no esports.
On March 15 2014 05:51 umade wrote: I'll say this.
I've been a fan of Naniwa for three straight years, ever since he won that MLG going undefeated and not losing a single map until the final. There's no doubt that he, along with Stephano, have been the best foreigners over that period. He's been the only foreigner at several events. He was the only one qualifying for Blizzcon, albeit barely. He was the only one qualifying for this IEM. Nani made it clear very early that he wasn't here for the fans or the audience. He was here because he wanted to be the best. He did all of this for himself, not for you or for me. Let me say it again. HE MADE IT CLEAR VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER. Now that he's probably retiring, everyone jumps on him and insults him, calls him a kid for being selfish. Did you guys start watching SC2 in 2014?
This wasn't a nice way of going out, but it was the nani-way. Also, about the soundproofing. Impossible to know if it had anything to do with what Polt did in the game, but clearly Naniwa heard the crowd/casters and assumed Polt could too.
Goodbye Naniwa, good luck.
Started watching SC2 during the beta.
Watched Broodwar before that. Never watched War3, so Naniwa didn't exist to me until SC2.
Trust me, the crowd had NOTHING to do with Polt finding his proxy. Usually, it is the player whose proxy is discovered who realizes "Oh fuck, I've been scouted. Do I reveal that I know, and try another strategy, or do I try and make the strategy work as if I didn't know I was scouted?" That is how it's done. Crowd sounds don't command your SCVs to find enemy buildings. They respond to events: Building is discovered - crowd goes wild.
On March 15 2014 05:34 newbornducky wrote: I cannot understand why some people still take NaNiwa's side on this issue. What he did is completely disrespectful to Polt, IEM, the crowd, and himself. He may have produced some good games during his career, but I will not call him a good player as he does not even have the sportsmanship to qualify as a professional player. Good riddance.
He's been the best foreigner player regardless of whether you call him that or not. Some things are just facts.
Honestly who didn't see something like this happening? For any player to go to a tournament knowing they have not practiced and probably gonna retire is an asshat move.
On March 15 2014 04:37 darkscream wrote: TBH this isnt the first time naniwa invented some arbitrary reason why the tournament stage computers are unacceptable in some way, and he has been talking about having no passion and never practicing.
I don't blame soundproofing for him losing a game to polt with a completely amateur strategy and execution, and I really do hope we don't see any more Naniwa. He just does not seem happy to be part of the community or really care if he gets a chance to play on stage. Starcraft 2 isn't in a place where we can support obnoxious bad boys anymore.
Now that Naniwa is gone, the only people you'll be supporting are Koreans. You literally won't see another foreigner in a big tournament anymore.
Which is fine, because I'm a fan of cetain koreans for their personalities, I don't like the bland ones that much even if they're the champion and I don't much care for the showboats either. For a while I liked foreigners who were good even if they were jerks, but these days I just don't think being a walking tabloid story is the way to go for ROI.
Then there's the angle that Nani probably wasn't feeling like playing anyway and knew ahead of time, meaning he filled a very lucrative spot which could have been given to the open bracket or an invite if it were done ahead of time. If a korean forfeit in this way they'd at least be more apologetic. Suppose Naniwa is correct and the players can hear "everything", you better bet a korean player would try to play through the circumstances even if they gave him a loss.
We have no time or energy for divas anymore IMO, not in korea or europe, or anywhere else. At least, I know I don't.
And I could donate my money to a worthwhile charity instead of spending contributing to the nation's drug problem but at the end of the day it's my money and it's Naniwa's spot. No one here is obligated to respect his personality and he's not entitled to anyone's love with the way he's acted. On the other side of the coin, he really doesn't owe anyone else anything either. Everything he got in this game he earned: the good and the bad.
On March 15 2014 05:51 umade wrote: I'll say this.
I've been a fan of Naniwa for three straight years, ever since he won that MLG going undefeated and not losing a single map until the final. There's no doubt that he, along with Stephano, have been the best foreigners over that period. He's been the only foreigner at several events. He was the only one qualifying for Blizzcon, albeit barely. He was the only one qualifying for this IEM. Nani made it clear very early that he wasn't here for the fans or the audience. He was here because he wanted to be the best. He did all of this for himself, not for you or for me. Let me say it again. HE MADE IT CLEAR VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER. Now that he's probably retiring, everyone jumps on him and insults him, calls him a kid for being selfish. Did you guys start watching SC2 in 2014?
This wasn't a nice way of going out, but it was the nani-way. Also, about the soundproofing. Impossible to know if it had anything to do with what Polt did in the game, but clearly Naniwa heard the crowd/casters and assumed Polt could too.
Goodbye Naniwa, good luck.
Started watching SC2 during the beta.
Watched Broodwar before that. Never watched War3, so Naniwa didn't exist to me until SC2.
Trust me, the crowd had NOTHING to do with Polt finding his proxy. Usually, it is the player whose proxy is discovered who realizes "Oh fuck, I've been scouted. Do I reveal that I know, and try another strategy, or do I try and make the strategy work as if I didn't know I was scouted?" That is how it's done. Crowd sounds don't command your SCVs to find enemy buildings. They respond to events: Building is discovered - crowd goes wild.
On March 15 2014 05:51 umade wrote: I'll say this.
I've been a fan of Naniwa for three straight years, ever since he won that MLG going undefeated and not losing a single map until the final. There's no doubt that he, along with Stephano, have been the best foreigners over that period. He's been the only foreigner at several events. He was the only one qualifying for Blizzcon, albeit barely. He was the only one qualifying for this IEM. Nani made it clear very early that he wasn't here for the fans or the audience. He was here because he wanted to be the best. He did all of this for himself, not for you or for me. Let me say it again. HE MADE IT CLEAR VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER. Now that he's probably retiring, everyone jumps on him and insults him, calls him a kid for being selfish. Did you guys start watching SC2 in 2014?
This wasn't a nice way of going out, but it was the nani-way. Also, about the soundproofing. Impossible to know if it had anything to do with what Polt did in the game, but clearly Naniwa heard the crowd/casters and assumed Polt could too.
Goodbye Naniwa, good luck.
Started watching SC2 during the beta.
Watched Broodwar before that. Never watched War3, so Naniwa didn't exist to me until SC2.
Trust me, the crowd had NOTHING to do with Polt finding his proxy. Usually, it is the player whose proxy is discovered who realizes "Oh fuck, I've been scouted. Do I reveal that I know, and try another strategy, or do I try and make the strategy work as if I didn't know I was scouted?" That is how it's done. Crowd sounds don't command your SCVs to find enemy buildings. They respond to events: Building is discovered - crowd goes wild.
If you watch the way that Polt scouted, he ordered his SCV to move and scout before ArPollo pointed it out and then noticed the proxy gate.
On March 15 2014 05:51 umade wrote: I'll say this.
I've been a fan of Naniwa for three straight years, ever since he won that MLG going undefeated and not losing a single map until the final. There's no doubt that he, along with Stephano, have been the best foreigners over that period. He's been the only foreigner at several events. He was the only one qualifying for Blizzcon, albeit barely. He was the only one qualifying for this IEM. Nani made it clear very early that he wasn't here for the fans or the audience. He was here because he wanted to be the best. He did all of this for himself, not for you or for me. Let me say it again. HE MADE IT CLEAR VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER. Now that he's probably retiring, everyone jumps on him and insults him, calls him a kid for being selfish. Did you guys start watching SC2 in 2014?
This wasn't a nice way of going out, but it was the nani-way. Also, about the soundproofing. Impossible to know if it had anything to do with what Polt did in the game, but clearly Naniwa heard the crowd/casters and assumed Polt could too.
Goodbye Naniwa, good luck.
Started watching SC2 during the beta.
Watched Broodwar before that. Never watched War3, so Naniwa didn't exist to me until SC2.
Trust me, the crowd had NOTHING to do with Polt finding his proxy. Usually, it is the player whose proxy is discovered who realizes "Oh fuck, I've been scouted. Do I reveal that I know, and try another strategy, or do I try and make the strategy work as if I didn't know I was scouted?" That is how it's done. Crowd sounds don't command your SCVs to find enemy buildings. They respond to events: Building is discovered - crowd goes wild.
The crowd goes wild on things that only one player can see. For example the placing of the gates. When someone sixpools there is usually a huge roar. Same for proxy of anykind... You may have watched, but didn't pay attention...
"sportsmanship" is a term that couldn't translate into naniwa's language, just as "i actually give a fuck" couldn't translate to idra's language. i'm just glad he's leaving.
On March 15 2014 05:51 umade wrote: I'll say this.
I've been a fan of Naniwa for three straight years, ever since he won that MLG going undefeated and not losing a single map until the final. There's no doubt that he, along with Stephano, have been the best foreigners over that period. He's been the only foreigner at several events. He was the only one qualifying for Blizzcon, albeit barely. He was the only one qualifying for this IEM. Nani made it clear very early that he wasn't here for the fans or the audience. He was here because he wanted to be the best. He did all of this for himself, not for you or for me. Let me say it again. HE MADE IT CLEAR VERY EARLY IN HIS CAREER. Now that he's probably retiring, everyone jumps on him and insults him, calls him a kid for being selfish. Did you guys start watching SC2 in 2014?
This wasn't a nice way of going out, but it was the nani-way. Also, about the soundproofing. Impossible to know if it had anything to do with what Polt did in the game, but clearly Naniwa heard the crowd/casters and assumed Polt could too.
Goodbye Naniwa, good luck.
Started watching SC2 during the beta.
Watched Broodwar before that. Never watched War3, so Naniwa didn't exist to me until SC2.
Trust me, the crowd had NOTHING to do with Polt finding his proxy. Usually, it is the player whose proxy is discovered who realizes "Oh fuck, I've been scouted. Do I reveal that I know, and try another strategy, or do I try and make the strategy work as if I didn't know I was scouted?" That is how it's done. Crowd sounds don't command your SCVs to find enemy buildings. They respond to events: Building is discovered - crowd goes wild.
Are you mad at Naniwa for doing what he did?
No I can't get mad at Naniwa. Mad means upset, or angry? I'm not surprised. It's him being him. What's unfortunate is that Polt got a free win, just for scouting. fans got under half a series. IEM got blamed by Naniwa. Naniwa got blamed by IEM. It's just an unfortunate thing, aside from the Naniwa (possible) retirement. I feel like him quitting has been a long time coming. I feel like his spot was wasted - even though he qualified for it. Mad? Angry? Upset? No, not at all. I'm pretty neutral when it comes to players I don't cheer for. If they entertain me, I can still be happy watching their game - the enjoyment is actually easier, because I'm not emotionally invested. In the case of Polt vs Naniwa, I don't care who wins.
On March 15 2014 04:37 darkscream wrote: TBH this isnt the first time naniwa invented some arbitrary reason why the tournament stage computers are unacceptable in some way, and he has been talking about having no passion and never practicing.
I don't blame soundproofing for him losing a game to polt with a completely amateur strategy and execution, and I really do hope we don't see any more Naniwa. He just does not seem happy to be part of the community or really care if he gets a chance to play on stage. Starcraft 2 isn't in a place where we can support obnoxious bad boys anymore.
Now that Naniwa is gone, the only people you'll be supporting are Koreans. You literally won't see another foreigner in a big tournament anymore.
Did Scarlett die or something?!
Also, the people we cheered for in BW were all Korean, and that never mattered to anyone. Yes, foreigners did compete, and Guillaume won the first OSL, but foreigners simply could not compete at that level (or chose not to) for the vast majority of BW's professional lifetime. (BW isn't dead to me, as long as we have people like Sonic, and Sayle!)
Seriously, the last time a non-korean played in Proleague was like, 2004. That did not matter.
1. Scarlett is amazing but let me know when she makes a global finals. 2. The BW fanbase is not the same as the SC2 fanbase. Can we agree on that? SC2 is much more decentralized than BW and foreigner success contributes greatly to the game's popularity.
For what it's worth, Scarlett's results in 2013 were as good or better than Naniwa's. She didn't accumulate the WCS points because she had serious wrist problems, leading to lengthy breaks, including skipping the WCS AM Season 2 finals. It's probable she would have finished in the top 16.
Sad to see Naniwa go out like this. He could have been remembered as a great player and one of few could beat the top koreans. Now he will be remembered as the angry BM guy.
On March 15 2014 06:39 Batch wrote: Sad to see Naniwa go out like this. He could have been remembered as a great player and one of few could beat the top koreans. Now he will be remembered as the angry BM guy.
He will be remembered as both, no matter what happened today.
On March 15 2014 06:10 boxerfred wrote: "sportsmanship" is a term that couldn't translate into naniwa's language, just as "i actually give a fuck" couldn't translate to idra's language. i'm just glad he's leaving.
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