• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:55
CET 17:55
KST 01:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview1TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation10Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time?
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion Terran 1:35 12 Gas Optimization BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1851 users

NaNiwa forfeits mid-series at IEM Katowice - Page 17

Forum Index > SC2 General
938 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 47 Next All
kugel
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany116 Posts
March 14 2014 19:21 GMT
#321
On March 15 2014 01:32 VKCA wrote:
I wish he had of just not played and given the spot to someone else....


word .
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
March 14 2014 19:21 GMT
#322
This is not about fans. Its about nani. Gime him a break.
He is a person. A complicated one. He has given too much to the community already (or the community has taken it?)
Enjoy your break.
Die Trying
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 14 2014 19:22 GMT
#323
I can't support this rip naniwa i'll remember the good times
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
March 14 2014 19:22 GMT
#324
On March 15 2014 04:17 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 04:10 pms wrote:
On March 15 2014 04:03 Naphal wrote:
i really love the reaction of the crowd, naniwa should have vacated the spot a month ago and deserves every amount of spite that now goes his way, no doubt he managed to multiply it once again!


No, I don't think it was a good reaction, cause it just gave too much attention to Naniwa ATM.

Anyway, I will copy what I wrote before to answer the second part of your message:

Naniwa has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing.

I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness?





I agree it was Naniwa's right to keep the spot, no doubt.

I think its <1% that Naniwa planned for this to happen, I think, deep down, he knew he couldn't beat Polt and he found a quick way out.

When was the bracket release? When Naniwa drew Polt.... thats when, subconsciously, he started looking for a way out. His behaviour then manifested his "way out".

The proxy in the first game is also an indicator of wanting to quit and get it over quick.

Naniwa knows winning is the only thing keeping him in SC2, and he wants out.



Yup. That's a good analysis. Yet people will hate him because it fits them. Naniwa is egocentric and the crowd is egocentric. Real world is not beautiful.

ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
March 14 2014 19:22 GMT
#325
I respect a lot of the people in this thread, its been a lot more rewarding to read than reddit this time around(feels like pure hate and no reason).
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
March 14 2014 19:24 GMT
#326
I don't like what he did. I would of not showed up to a winner takes all tournament if I was him.
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
superpanda27
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
111 Posts
March 14 2014 19:25 GMT
#327
On March 15 2014 04:10 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 04:03 Naphal wrote:
i really love the reaction of the crowd, naniwa should have vacated the spot a month ago and deserves every amount of spite that now goes his way, no doubt he managed to multiply it once again!


No, I don't think it was a good reaction, cause it just gave too much attention to Naniwa ATM.

Anyway, I will copy what I wrote before to answer the second part of your message:

Naniwa has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing.

I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness?




Yeah he has rights to do whatever he wants, does not mean people have to like it.

If he came in today, not prepared to win, to even try to win, then why even come today? He has said that he hasn't been playing lately, so why even come to the IEM World Championship unprepared? Forfeit that spot even though he earned that spot at IEM New York. His accomplishments do not matter. What he has done in the past for SC2 does not matter other than the fact that he qualified for this event through IEM New York.

He doesn't owe anyone anything, but he just wasted everyone's time. He disappointed a lot of the fans that came to see him and the ones who were excited to see the best foreigner play against one of the best Koreans. Naniwa does deserve the boos that he got at the venue. While he has had a great career in SC2, it's unfortunate that this had to happen. Especially considering that this may be the end of his career.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18518 Posts
March 14 2014 19:26 GMT
#328
naniwa is such a bad loser
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 19:28:44
March 14 2014 19:26 GMT
#329
On March 15 2014 04:20 KaiserJohan wrote:
Viewership goes nuts when Naniwa has been playing. Like it or not, people desperately want to see him above anyone else, him going away is a big loss for SC2.


Yes, but really many root for him mostly because he's been one of the best foreigners. His personal has always been secondary to the fact that he has some big wins and was a threat to top Koreans.

If Naniwa leaves, it creates a space for a new foreign hope.

....


but ya, some foreigner will need to keep up. Nani was literally only non KR in IEM bracket.
Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
March 14 2014 19:26 GMT
#330
I remember someone talking about bad soundproofing and the influence on the games. This was not nanivas first tournament, no matter if his cheese got revealed or not, he sould have known.
scotch4789
Profile Joined July 2013
United States42 Posts
March 14 2014 19:27 GMT
#331
The proxy in the first game is also an indicator of wanting to quit and get it over quick.


I suspect it was the same thing with his WCS EU play
LamaMitHut
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany187 Posts
March 14 2014 19:27 GMT
#332
On March 15 2014 04:14 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 04:06 LamaMitHut wrote:
On March 15 2014 03:09 Zealously wrote:
On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:
On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:
On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:
On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:
On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:
On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses.


I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you?

Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you???


He certainly gave his all today.


Your memory is one-day long or what?

Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep.


From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)?


He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing.

I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness?


I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past.


wtf... you never, never, NEVER were a fan of naniwa. every true fan knows, that naniwa does not give any stinking shit about "sportsmanship" or stuff like that.


You don't decide whether or not I am or was a fan of someone, nor do you get to decide who is a "true fan" and who isn't. I was willing to look past much of the stuff Naniwa pulled because his mindset and singular devotion to becoming a champion was inspiring, but there is a limit to what I can shrug off. Naniwa may not give much of a shit about sportsmanship (although he on several occasions claimed that he had learned to), but I do. I do not have to think like Naniwa to be a fan of him.


no, i can not decide if you were a fan of naniwa or not. in my opinion "beeing a true fan" just means more than "i liked his playstyle / skill / effort".
Gen.Rolly
Profile Joined September 2011
United States200 Posts
March 14 2014 19:27 GMT
#333
Naniwa should of checked on soundproofing before executing such a strategy. Alternatively, Polt could have proxied and Naniwa would have been alerted - my point is that the conditions were still fair. Naniwa greatly disrespects the foreign community and his Korean competitors with his arrogance. Imho, GTFO Naniwa.
Vector locked in.
Yourmomsbasement
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada87 Posts
March 14 2014 19:27 GMT
#334
I don't agree with his actions, but I'll still play him out with a classic tune.

Nani na na, Nani nana, hey hey hey, goodbye....
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
March 14 2014 19:30 GMT
#335
On March 15 2014 04:27 Gen.Rolly wrote:
Naniwa should of checked on soundproofing before executing such a strategy. Alternatively, Polt could have proxied and Naniwa would have been alerted - my point is that the conditions were still fair. Naniwa greatly disrespects the foreign community and his Korean competitors with his arrogance. Imho, GTFO Naniwa.


Wasn't a soundproofing issue. Polt scouts that way frequently.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 19:33:20
March 14 2014 19:32 GMT
#336
The 7 pillars of IEM:

1) Players have a right to forfeit.
2) All players are competing under the same circumstances - the same environment.
3) Nani has lost the little face he had left but found a substantial beergut to compensate.
4) Making a mountain out of a molehill is never wise.
5) When in doubt blame others for your own failings.
6) If a black sheep bleats in a lonely paddock and no one hears him, does he exist?
7) IEM Katowice and HoTS are super!!!
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-14 19:34:21
March 14 2014 19:32 GMT
#337
On March 15 2014 04:22 ThePlagueJG wrote:
I respect a lot of the people in this thread, its been a lot more rewarding to read than reddit this time around(feels like pure hate and no reason).


Some of these haters will calm down with time, others will never get it. In a way, it's a natural selection

For me, Naniwa is Mike Tyson of Starcraft.

Let's see if he returns.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
March 14 2014 19:37 GMT
#338
TBH this isnt the first time naniwa invented some arbitrary reason why the tournament stage computers are unacceptable in some way, and he has been talking about having no passion and never practicing.

I don't blame soundproofing for him losing a game to polt with a completely amateur strategy and execution, and I really do hope we don't see any more Naniwa. He just does not seem happy to be part of the community or really care if he gets a chance to play on stage. Starcraft 2 isn't in a place where we can support obnoxious bad boys anymore.
dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
March 14 2014 19:37 GMT
#339
On March 15 2014 04:32 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2014 04:22 ThePlagueJG wrote:
I respect a lot of the people in this thread, its been a lot more rewarding to read than reddit this time around(feels like pure hate and no reason).


Some of these haters will calm down with time, others will never get it. In a way, it's a natural selection

For me, Naniwa is Mike Tyson of Starcraft.

Let's see if he returns.


inb4 Boxer.
twitch.tv/duttroach
Wiciu87
Profile Joined February 2012
Poland14 Posts
March 14 2014 19:41 GMT
#340
Fucking douchebag

User was warned for this post
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 47 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 6m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 296
TKL 250
SteadfastSC 129
BRAT_OK 79
ProTech52
MindelVK 13
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4321
firebathero 597
Sea 597
Rush 244
Soulkey 137
hero 128
Yoon 120
Aegong 79
Dewaltoss 55
Dota 2
Gorgc4721
qojqva3053
singsing2141
Dendi904
Counter-Strike
oskar105
Other Games
B2W.Neo973
hiko531
Lowko424
Hui .324
DeMusliM319
Fuzer 201
Liquid`VortiX150
Sick146
QueenE59
Trikslyr50
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Other Games
Algost 2
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 28
• Hinosc 16
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1803
• WagamamaTV389
• lizZardDota233
League of Legends
• Nemesis2558
• TFBlade772
Other Games
• Shiphtur134
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
8h 6m
RSL Revival
17h 6m
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
19h 6m
GuMiho vs MaNa
herO vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings
1d 17h
RSL Revival
1d 17h
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
1d 19h
Cure vs Reynor
IPSL
2 days
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
BSL 21
2 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
BSL 21
3 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
3 days
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
RSL Revival: Season 3
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.