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On March 15 2014 04:06 LamaMitHut wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:09 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses. I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you? Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you??? He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past. wtf... you never, never, NEVER were a fan of naniwa. every true fan knows, that naniwa does not give any stinking shit about "sportsmanship" or stuff like that.
You can be a fan of the talent and hope that he puts the rest of it together in time, no?
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I was never quite a fan but I think he was a good figure to have in the community because like him or not he was polarizing.
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Such a rude and childish way of behaving ... there are no excuses to being unprofessional, I feel bad for the player who lost is spot to Naniwa.
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On March 15 2014 04:03 Naphal wrote:
i really love the reaction of the crowd, naniwa should have vacated the spot a month ago and deserves every amount of spite that now goes his way, no doubt he managed to multiply it once again!
No, I don't think it was a good reaction, cause it just gave too much attention to Naniwa ATM.
Anyway, I will copy what I wrote before to answer the second part of your message:
Naniwa has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing.
I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness?
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It would have been a good idea to forfeit the spot earlier, especially in a 100k winner takes all tournament. He stated he hasn't really been playing for quite some time now, so there was basically no way in hell he'd take 1st. It'd have been pretty cool to have HasuObs as a replacement (3rd in the open qualifier), but honestly, I see there being little difference. I truly don't think HasuObs would win the whole thing, so it does not concern me that much.
I think this is sort of like a nice punishment for IEM (not that the two are that connected) for having a winner-takes-all format with their prize pool. Naniwa doesn't give two shits about his reputation, especially now, so he had nothing to lose!!
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lol. a true fan likes/accepts the human behind the screen, and not the stuff he won, the place he comes from, his colour of skin or stuff like that.
Zealously or other dudes that claim to be "fans until now" never were true fans.
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Well, I do understand why NaNi got upset if he seriously believed that his cheese was revealed by the crowd and lack of soundproofing. I once even wrote an essay for one of my university courses about agon (competitive) and spectacle aspects of e-sports based on the NaNiWa-NesTea incident, in which I concluded that NaNi only cared about the competition and not about fans, entertainment etc., so if he felt that the competition was somehow unfair, it's not surprising that he reacted in his own unique way - that is, overreacted by far.
My problem is not with him shitting on the soundproofing, because I believe it might have been the actual cause of his behaviour, not a silly excuse to forfeit as some people say. The problem is in the fact that he is seemingly unable to contain his emotional outbursts or at least to prevent them from deeply affecting his behaviour. This is something I can sympathise with - deep emotional problems suck - but still it ruins the tournament, so should not happen.
Maybe it'd be better if he retired, both for his own psyche and for us all. Or at least he should take a long break, go to some light therapy, find a girl/new hobby/goal in life. The way he is now, he's hurting himself (if, as is my thesis, he's a competition-obsessed person and his emotions prevent him from being competitive) and all the other people involved.
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Naniwa lied about the soundproofing? Hahahahaha.
Please don't come back.
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On March 15 2014 04:10 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:03 Naphal wrote:
i really love the reaction of the crowd, naniwa should have vacated the spot a month ago and deserves every amount of spite that now goes his way, no doubt he managed to multiply it once again! No, I don't think it was a good reaction, cause it just gave too much attention to Naniwa ATM. Anyway, I will copy what I wrote before to answer the second part of your message: Naniwa has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness?
People aren't fast to judge. This is all completely in line with judgement that have been made since before his GSL incident.
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LOL were all the players really laughing at him? Rumor has it he is considering a career in professional football (soccer). You cant really compare Naniwa to Idra. Idra played zerg required skill.
Dont tase me bro.
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After a meltdown like this, it looks like Naniwa's SC2 career will probably be in about the same shape as Heath Ledger's and Harold Ramis's acting careers.
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On March 15 2014 04:06 LamaMitHut wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 03:09 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 03:03 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:53 Zealously wrote:On March 15 2014 02:46 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:40 Dismay wrote:On March 15 2014 02:39 pms wrote:On March 15 2014 02:32 Ansinjunger wrote:
If it's true Naniwa said he took the spot to take advantage of the hotel, that's pretty dishonest. He's shown quite a bit of disregard for fans/his fans. I don't know why people are defending him. That's not to say he's unforgivable--that goes too far, but right now, he's wronged the audience and there's no point making excuses. I don't understand people like you. You think that you deserve something, because of what exactly? Because you seat in the front of computer watching? Who are you? Naniwa earned whatever he had. He wanted to win and only to win. There is only one God in tournaments like that. It's the competition. Naniwa was giving all to the competition. What the hell gave you??? He certainly gave his all today. Your memory is one-day long or what? Pathetic crybabies in the audience need to eat today, so they will trash whoever doesn't deliver them food. It's hilarious to see people hoarding like sheep. From one fan to another, are you actually defending Naniwa's actions today (or the last week)? He has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness? I was a fan until last week because of the contributions you talk about. He's played stunningly awesome games against a wide array of top opponents and made me scream and shout and jump with glee, but I can't support the kind of unsportsmanlike bullshit Naniwa pulled today. That makes me really sad, but it's how I - and a lot of others - feel. Naniwa is not above criticism because he has done well in the past. wtf... you never, never, NEVER were a fan of naniwa. every true fan knows, that naniwa does not give any stinking shit about "sportsmanship" or stuff like that.
You don't decide whether or not I am or was a fan of someone, nor do you get to decide who is a "true fan" and who isn't. I was willing to look past much of the stuff Naniwa pulled because his mindset and singular devotion to becoming a champion was inspiring, but there is a limit to what I can shrug off. Naniwa may not give much of a shit about sportsmanship (although he on several occasions claimed that he had learned to), but I do. I do not have to think like Naniwa to be a fan of him.
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On March 15 2014 04:05 Rustug wrote:If Naniwa would have shown some effort he would have gotten the same treatment. This crowd is fair and Naniwa is a pubescent, whiner. That is the last thing I'll say about Naniwa's action at this tournament.
I don't think they would have applauded Naniwa, but Polt, the winner, of that series. But the crowd is not at fault. If you are sitting in an audience, you react in a different way than in front of your screen, alone, drinking too much beer. It's just that they didn't consider the fact that Naniwa is about to retire anyway and the games he brought us. If this really was his last appearence, then it doesn't fit his career. The crowd SHOULD HAVE considered that BUT I see why they haven't. We should ignore the audience and instead focus on the situation itself. That's what we - the screen-dwellers - can do better than any crowd but apparently we don't.
FYI: I truly have any protoss player! So don't think I say this because I'm a Naniwa fanboy or something. It is just my way of thinking.
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I consider myself a fan of NaNiwa's play, I loved watching when he was at his best. That didn't stop me from face-palming everytime I saw him do something ridiculous (probe rush, any of a thousand instances of BM, constantly complaining about balance, etc.). Given his past behavior, I am not surprised by him pulling out (and blaming something else), but it was pretty class-less way to go about it (surprise!). He should have pulled out ahead of time, which would have allowed another open bracket spot. HasuObs played really well yesterday and should have played Polt today. The two of them got the shit end of the stick on this one and hopefully the strange circumstances do not somehow affect Polt's play tomorrow.
I also would not be surprised if he never plays again, and I'm not just talking about professionally, because his main issue (SH) will never get taken out or changed to the effect that he wants. Sorry it had to end this way, especially after his good showings last year.
Tl;dr: Love NaNiwa's play, don't like the attitude. Probably witnessed the end of his career a few hours ago. Not sure how I feel about it yet.
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On March 15 2014 04:13 LibertyRises wrote:
LOL were all the players really laughing at him? Rumor has it he is considering a career in professional football (soccer). You cant really compare Naniwa to Idra. Idra played zerg required skill.
Dont tase me bro.
loooool are you a newbie? naniwa played undead, and this was the weakest race, just for your information. ^^
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On March 15 2014 04:10 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2014 04:03 Naphal wrote:
i really love the reaction of the crowd, naniwa should have vacated the spot a month ago and deserves every amount of spite that now goes his way, no doubt he managed to multiply it once again! No, I don't think it was a good reaction, cause it just gave too much attention to Naniwa ATM. Anyway, I will copy what I wrote before to answer the second part of your message: Naniwa has rights to do whatever he likes and I'm laughing at everybody who thinks differently. That's because he earned what he had. You guys earned nothing. I don't know what happened today or in the last month with Naniwa, but I'm definitively not going to jump on the same wagon as all the people who are so fast to judge Naniwa and to take away his spot from IEM and his contributions to SC2 competitions. What the heck? If the audience is so important then why they don't choose the players for the tournaments themselves? Guys, listen to yourself. Do you hear the ridiculousness?
I agree it was Naniwa's right to keep the spot, no doubt.
I think its <1% that Naniwa planned for this to happen, I think, deep down, he knew he couldn't beat Polt and he found a quick way out.
When was the bracket release? When Naniwa drew Polt.... thats when, subconsciously, he started looking for a way out. His behaviour then manifested his "way out".
The proxy in the first game is also an indicator of wanting to quit and get it over quick.
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I'm sad that I didn't get to see Polt vs. Naniwa but like the guys at the desk said, it's his choice.
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Whether the booth was soundproof or not is irrelevant. Naniwa has time and time again displayed some really bad manners and disrespectful behaviour and this is no different. Other players have experienced issues with non-soundproff booths before and they have not walked out from the tournament.
I've always wondered how one can actually root for such dispicle individual as Naniwa. If he hadn't shown his true colours at earlier occasions he sure has done so now. What he did extremely immature and and a flat out mockery towards the the audience, the whole torunament and last but not least all those fans who was still rooting for him despite his history.
I hope he stays away from starcraft 2.
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Viewership goes nuts when Naniwa has been playing. Like it or not, people desperately want to see him above anyone else, him going away is a big loss for SC2.
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