EPTOn February 06 2014 12:38 AnonymousSC2 wrote:
who cares? this ruins the tournament
who cares? this ruins the tournament
i think the players might care.. maybe just a little..
obviously both are problems tho
Soundproofing continues to be an issue in Gom studio - Pag…
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
i think the players might care.. maybe just a little.. obviously both are problems tho | ||
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[MD]Frostbite
Canada292 Posts
On February 06 2014 12:23 Yorkie wrote: This brings back fond memories of Huk building a mothership against SeleCT at MLG and when the crowd inevitably went wild he said "Don't worry, that's just Halo" Theres gotta be a vod of this somewhere right? | ||
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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negativedge
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On February 06 2014 12:55 negativedge wrote: bring back the mokdong studio soundproofing was an issue there too, but the crowd was so small it was negligible a lot of the time | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 06 2014 12:51 [MD]Frostbite wrote: Theres gotta be a vod of this somewhere right? ~35 minutes! | ||
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AnonymousSC2
United States189 Posts
On February 06 2014 12:50 bokchoi wrote: i think the players might care.. maybe just a little.. obviously both are problems tho If the players care more about allegedly uncomfortable headsets over the integrity and fairness of a tournament.. I again say, who cares. And I'm 99% sure none of the players would say "I prefer to hear the crowd reactions and have my opponent here them to having a slightly uncomfortable soundproof headset" if it's uncomfortable at all. Some random guy said they are uncomfortable. Stunned people are arguing this isn't a problem. | ||
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Yorkie
United States12612 Posts
On February 06 2014 12:51 [MD]Frostbite wrote: Theres gotta be a vod of this somewhere right? You can just look up Huk vs Select mothership rush or MLG DC. I can't find a vod of the original cast, only replay versions or people who filmed it from the crowd. The game was actually terrible SeleCT destroyed him, but it was hilarious Edit: Nvm thanks DH | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
Hopefully they get them sorted out. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:03 AnonymousSC2 wrote: If the players care more about allegedly uncomfortable headsets over the integrity and fairness of a tournament.. I again say, who cares. And I'm 99% sure none of the players would say "I prefer to hear the crowd reactions and have my opponent here them to having a slightly uncomfortable soundproof headset" if it's uncomfortable at all. Some random guy said they are uncomfortable. Stunned people are arguing this isn't a problem. I think it's funny that people assume it absolutely must be an either/or thing. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:03 AnonymousSC2 wrote: If the players care more about allegedly uncomfortable headsets over the integrity and fairness of a tournament.. I again say, who cares. And I'm 99% sure none of the players would say "I prefer to hear the crowd reactions and have my opponent here them to having a slightly uncomfortable soundproof headset" if it's uncomfortable at all. Some random guy said they are uncomfortable. Stunned people are arguing this isn't a problem. I don't think people are arguing this isn't a problem, I think people are arguing that there should be a solution (such as finding better ways to soundproof the booths) that allows players to also use the headsets they feel comfortable with. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
The booth is the most important part! : False. The booth is the least effective of the 3 components of the standard sound-proofing process. The in-ear headphones and over ear sound-isolating headgear are by far the most important component, to the point where tournaments have been successfully soundproofed just using these and no booths. Booths are generally constructed of little more than wood, plastic and plexiglass, none of which are particularly well known for keeping out sound. In most cases they combine this with speakers which pump in white noise and a sound-dampening curtain of heavy material towards the door. You will absolutely hear a crowd and commentators while sitting in a booth if this is your only method of sound proofing. It is possible to soundproof a booth against a crowd! : False. Sound doesn't work that way. The vibrations can and will get through unless you plan on suspending it in mid air and isolating it from the atmosphere. Booths are primarily to isolate the player from distractions, not the noise of the crowd. They should just use noise-cancelling headphones, like Bose! : False. Active noise-cancellation works to lower the effective volume of certain frequencies sounds. It works well against sounds which are constant, such as airplane engines or air conditioning. It works very poorly against unpredictable sounds with a high range of frequencies such as human speech (or screaming). The correct course of action for sound-proofing involves the use of heavy-duty passive noise-cancelling headgear such as helicopter headsets which provide a tight seal against the skin. Ear protectors from work sites or firing ranges are also very effective. These should be combined with in-ears playing music, game sound or preferably both. They should not be prevented from getting a good seal against the skin by any item of clothing (such as a bandana or hat). The ear protectors do the majority of the work and the in-ears with sound actively pumping into them prevent the rest from getting to the player. GOM for some reason refuses to use proper headphones. It's one of several extremely questionable production decisions they have made and for some reason continue to make. They are the highest level of SC2 competition in the world and the most prestigious tournament, it's about time they acted like it. | ||
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Lucid_Interval
United States31 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:16 Lucid_Interval wrote: I've noticed that the hand warmers have made a reappearance at GSL as well. It was always strange to me that they could pay Korean pro gamers salaries and winnings but can't give them a warm place to play... Looks like soundproofing isn't much of a priority either... Unfortunate. Tournaments in general are terrible for this. Heavy use of air conditioning often results in players being very cold. Our players requested team hoodies so that they could continue to display team sponsors while not freezing to death, since otherwise they would have to wear jackets at many events since they are too cold. | ||
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Lucid_Interval
United States31 Posts
On February 06 2014 12:49 BigFan wrote: this. How come there are complaints now and not before? Did Gom changes their booths recently or something? Either way, let's hope they fix them up soon enough. They changed their entire studio recently. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:16 Lucid_Interval wrote: I've noticed that the hand warmers have made a reappearance at GSL as well. It was always strange to me that they could pay Korean pro gamers salaries and winnings but can't give them a warm place to play... Looks like soundproofing isn't much of a priority either... Unfortunate. Oh that note, my hands get cold quite often while gaming and the options to reheat are pretty much disposable hand warmers or nothing. I actually got one of these for Christmas and it works pretty well. Its about on par with the heat from a disposable air activated warmer, but it's reusable and the heats lasts for an ETERNITY. Seriously if you top it off it'll last for 24 hours easy. My one gripe is that the cloth case you're supposed to use it in so you don't burn yourself is really annoying on my hands but it can be easily replaced with something else. Edit: I'm an idiot and forgot to link what I was talking about =P http://www.amazon.com/Zippo-40182-Silver-Hand-Warmer/dp/B0034C6GDG/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1391660459&sr=1-3 On February 06 2014 13:19 TotalBiscuit wrote: Tournaments in general are terrible for this. Heavy use of air conditioning often results in players being very cold. Our players requested team hoodies so that they could continue to display team sponsors while not freezing to death, since otherwise they would have to wear jackets at many events since they are too cold. Axiom Zippo "gaming" hand warmer sponsorship. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:16 Lucid_Interval wrote: I've noticed that the hand warmers have made a reappearance at GSL as well. It was always strange to me that they could pay Korean pro gamers salaries and winnings but can't give them a warm place to play... Looks like soundproofing isn't much of a priority either... Unfortunate. its cold in korea + harm warmers are used to warm up regardless of temperature. if they had heating for the winter tournaments and ac for the summer tournaments gom would probably go broke off those bills alone | ||
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GulpyBlinkeyes
United States1449 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:16 TotalBiscuit wrote: A few misconceptions people have about sound-proofing for SC2. The booth is the most important part! : False. The booth is the least effective of the 3 components of the standard sound-proofing process. The in-ear headphones and over ear sound-isolating headgear are by far the most important component, to the point where tournaments have been successfully soundproofed just using these and no booths. Booths are generally constructed of little more than wood, plastic and plexiglass, none of which are particularly well known for keeping out sound. In most cases they combine this with speakers which pump in white noise and a sound-dampening curtain of heavy material towards the door. You will absolutely hear a crowd and commentators while sitting in a booth if this is your only method of sound proofing. It is possible to soundproof a booth against a crowd! : False. Sound doesn't work that way. The vibrations can and will get through unless you plan on suspending it in mid air and isolating it from the atmosphere. Booths are primarily to isolate the player from distractions, not the noise of the crowd. They should just use noise-cancelling headphones, like Bose! : False. Active noise-cancellation works to lower the effective volume of certain frequencies sounds. It works well against sounds which are constant, such as airplane engines or air conditioning. It works very poorly against unpredictable sounds with a high range of frequencies such as human speech (or screaming). Thanks for this, TB. I think a lot of people who read about these issues don't have any experience with sound-proofing (I don't mean that as an insult; it's not exactly a common concern in most lines of work), so this is good info for those who might not be familiar with what works and what doesn't. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46715 Posts
On February 06 2014 12:48 Shellshock wrote: I would like to see Gom address this issue. It's not really something you can sweep aside. Agreed. This jeopardizes the integrity of every game, unfortunately. | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On February 06 2014 13:24 bokchoi wrote: its cold in korea + harm warmers are used to warm up regardless of temperature. if they had heating for the winter tournaments and ac for the summer tournaments gom would probably go broke off those bills alone If you can't pay for AC / Heating for a live venue.... I don't know what to say about this, that's ridiculous. | ||
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