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vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 16:51:40
February 04 2014 16:50 GMT
#121
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18712 Posts
February 04 2014 16:54 GMT
#122
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to dare compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.


JD is getting closer and closer to 30 with no education
People need to realise their role models need to think about their future. With 30 JD has to live at least 40+ more years with the money he has earned up to then.

Any disappointed fan of a player is not a real fan at all.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
February 04 2014 16:59 GMT
#123
On February 05 2014 01:54 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to dare compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.


JD is getting closer and closer to 30 with no education
People need to realise their role models need to think about their future. With 30 JD has to live at least 40+ more years with the money he has earned up to then.

Any disappointed fan of a player is not a real fan at all.

My fandom is not unconditional. Also, if it's really as bad as you describe then the best for JD would be to simply not start this lame posturing in the first place.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
HaRuHi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 17:01:42
February 04 2014 16:59 GMT
#124
Where does the rok come from? I only now it short for republic of korea. After searching some more TL, some said rok has something to do with record aswell in korea... thats not very accurate, would like more insight.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 04 2014 16:59 GMT
#125
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.


Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 04 2014 17:02 GMT
#126
Why don't we bitcoin this showmatch, Best of 11!!!!!!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 17:06:41
February 04 2014 17:03 GMT
#127
On February 05 2014 01:26 Caihead wrote:
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On February 05 2014 00:33 vthree wrote:
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote:
Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.


lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?

If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.


Last time I checked, going to AM and getting a good salary from EG while not being sent to Korean tournaments is the safe route, I really don't understand what you are talking about. Are you trying to say that Foreign events are harder than GSL?

Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 00:37 vthree wrote:
On February 04 2014 14:13 Caihead wrote:
On February 04 2014 13:48 Kon-Tiki wrote:
On February 04 2014 13:31 dgwow wrote:
Sounds like JD just realized something that we've all known for a long time. It's hard for Flash to do much though when the state of terran is not so great... Maybe they could face off in a game of Starbow?

However, this article makes me happy!


Flash's slump has less to do with the state of Terran (although I'm not denying that it has nothing to do with it) and more to do with the fact that even as compared to other Terrans, Flash is really struggling right now


He's trying to find his identity I think, Flash is really stubborn some times and will play one strategy forever even if he gets hard countered by other playstyles or if it doesn't suit him.


So basically you are saying he is bad unless the meta suits him...


Shame on players trying to establish their own play style right, Flash is so bad trying to get Mech to work for him in TvZ.


MKP had his own play style as well as Inca. It is great that players have their own style, but when it doesn't work, they need to be flexible enough to adapt. LoL players are rated based on their champion pools, sc2 player should be rated based on their builds and styles they can play. So yes, if you cannot play other styles, you are not a top pro. It is great to have a signature style, but that doesn't mean you exclusive play that strategy, because unlike BW, you can be expose if you only play a certain style in SC2.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13410 Posts
February 04 2014 17:04 GMT
#128
ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh please
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 04 2014 17:06 GMT
#129
On February 05 2014 01:36 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 00:33 vthree wrote:
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote:
Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.


lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?

If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.

Fanboyism aside, there is no debate as to JD having the safer route...


Well, that depends on the salary of KT vs EG, doesn't it. If Flash get significant more without having to do well in foreign events, he is taking the 'safer' route financially.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 17:07:22
February 04 2014 17:06 GMT
#130
On February 05 2014 01:59 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.


Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...

Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8, before that I had OZ.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
skylarr
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada209 Posts
February 04 2014 17:07 GMT
#131
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.

Knowing the competitor JD is, I'm pretty sure he would like to play in GSL and proleague. it's more than likely that's he's obligated to play in AM and more foreign tournaments because he's on EG, as is taeja, hero, POLT, Hyun, stardust, and anyone that's a big name figure on a foreign team
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 17:14:30
February 04 2014 17:08 GMT
#132
On February 05 2014 02:06 vrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 01:59 vthree wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.


Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...

Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.


So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
lookfirewood
Profile Joined May 2011
1212 Posts
February 04 2014 17:09 GMT
#133
How incredibly cool! :D Love it!
R.I.P STX 03.08.2013 never forget.
Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
February 04 2014 17:09 GMT
#134
Nice, something to look forward to. A good 'ol Rok.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
February 04 2014 17:12 GMT
#135
On February 05 2014 02:07 skylarr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.

Knowing the competitor JD is, I'm pretty sure he would like to play in GSL and proleague. it's more than likely that's he's obligated to play in AM and more foreign tournaments because he's on EG, as is taeja, hero, POLT, Hyun, stardust, and anyone that's a big name figure on a foreign team


Well, in 2013, it didn't really matter since the top players got to compete with each other in the season finals and Blizzcon 4 times a year anyways. In 2014, we only have Blizzcon.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 17:19:48
February 04 2014 17:16 GMT
#136
On February 05 2014 02:08 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 02:06 vrok wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:59 vthree wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.


Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...

Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.


So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.

Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. Everything else is fluff. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 17:17:41
February 04 2014 17:16 GMT
#137
On February 05 2014 02:08 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 02:06 vrok wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:59 vthree wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.


Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...

Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.


So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble.


PL is still the most meaningful league in e-sports . Without it Kespa team's sponsors wouldn't have anything to throw their money at and there would be no teams . With no sponsors don't expect GSTL/GSL/WCS to nourish 100+ korean progamers.
skylarr
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada209 Posts
February 04 2014 17:20 GMT
#138
On February 05 2014 02:16 vrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 02:08 vthree wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:06 vrok wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:59 vthree wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.


Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...

Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.


So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.

Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.

LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 04 2014 17:21 GMT
#139
On February 04 2014 23:50 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 14:13 Caihead wrote:
On February 04 2014 13:48 Kon-Tiki wrote:
On February 04 2014 13:31 dgwow wrote:
Sounds like JD just realized something that we've all known for a long time. It's hard for Flash to do much though when the state of terran is not so great... Maybe they could face off in a game of Starbow?

However, this article makes me happy!


Flash's slump has less to do with the state of Terran (although I'm not denying that it has nothing to do with it) and more to do with the fact that even as compared to other Terrans, Flash is really struggling right now


He's trying to find his identity I think, Flash is really stubborn some times and will play one strategy forever even if he gets hard countered by other playstyles or if it doesn't suit him.


So untrue.

I believe his point was that Flash is just finding what suits him best as in, in BW, he would go 14cc and get countered everytime until he eventually got it to work so maybe he's trying to do something similar in SCII although I dunno if that will work tbh.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 17:25:07
February 04 2014 17:23 GMT
#140
On February 05 2014 02:20 skylarr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 02:16 vrok wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:08 vthree wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:06 vrok wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:59 vthree wrote:
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote:
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.


Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...

Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.


So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.

Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.

LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....

It has absolutely nothing to do with 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
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