EG's Jaedong has challenged Flash to meet him for individual leagues.
Since JD's move to EG, a foreign team, he no longer participates in Proleague, so the only way for JD and Flash to meet are either through overseas tournaments or WCS Korea leagues. Also, in order for JD and Flash to meet, Flash has to rise to the top and place high in individual leagues.
The reason JD has called Flash out is because he is disappointed that rivalries in eSports are diminishing. The rivalry between JD and Flash is called the LeeSsangRok, and it is known as the second best rivalry of all time, right behind the best rivalry of all time between BoxeR and YellOw, AKA LimJinRok, However, for over a year now, since the start of 2013, the LeeSsangRok has never taken place. It's not just JD who's upset about this, but all the eager fans as well.
Thanks to the Daily eSports' special Chinese New Year "Man to Man" interview with YellOw, JD stated that he now realizes just how important it is for rivalries to exist. JD feels that this rivalry between him and Flash is no mere simple rivalry, that it holds an important influence in the StarCraft scene, and that he would like to develop a story for the SC2 scene and bring forth an issue to the SC2 scene through this rivalry and entertain the fans.
After JD heard YellOw's statement about how his rivalry with BoxeR was the motivation behind both his and eSports' growth, and that he is always grateful to BoxeR because of that, JD stated that he felt something spark inside him, and that as soon as he heard YellO'w's story, he yearned so much to face Flash again.
JD also stated that he knows just how well Flash has consistently been performing in Proleague to this very day. Therefore, JD would like Flash to get rid off this pressure that he has to do well, so that Flash can approach his individual league matches with a calm mindset, so that two can meet at a high place again no matter what. JD hopes that Flash will do his absolute best from now on.
Ohhh man. The next time JD and Flash have an epic 1v1, I will go crazy! Things like this are why I miss BW D: Watching Flash and JD battle it out was always sooo intense.
On February 04 2014 12:54 Seeker wrote: JD also stated that he knows just how well Flash has consistently been performing in Proleague to this very day. Therefore, JD would like Flash to get rid off this pressure that he has to do well, so that Flash can approach his individual league matches with a calm mindset, so that two can meet at a high place again no matter what.
I think the real solution would be JD coming back to the Green Wings and facing Flash in the ace match of the Proleague Finals.
JD has beaten the Elite Four and is currently battling against Red. Flash still hasn't gotten all his badges from the gym leaders to get to that point. Such a noob
Maybe Jaedong needs to switch to WCS Korea if he wants to take on Flash.
BTW Anyone remember how hyped and full the GomTV studios were when Nada and Slayers_Boxer faced in the GSL how many years ago? I would love to see that for JvF!
On February 04 2014 13:13 BigFan wrote: JD has beaten the Elite Four and is currently battling against Red. Flash still hasn't gotten all his badges from the gym leaders to get to that point. Such a noob
negative sir. Red is playing in Korea, same as Lance, Steven Stone, Wallace, Cynthia & Alder
This is pretty weird for Jaedong to say since he's the one who left Korea (and any BW rivalries he may have had). With no Season Finals the only way for them to meet is Blizzcon or (much more likely) a foreign tournament.
Sounds like JD just realized something that we've all known for a long time. It's hard for Flash to do much though when the state of terran is not so great... Maybe they could face off in a game of Starbow?
On February 04 2014 13:31 dgwow wrote: Sounds like JD just realized something that we've all known for a long time. It's hard for Flash to do much though when the state of terran is not so great... Maybe they could face off in a game of Starbow?
However, this article makes me happy!
Flash's slump has less to do with the state of Terran (although I'm not denying that it has nothing to do with it) and more to do with the fact that even as compared to other Terrans, Flash is really struggling right now
On February 04 2014 13:31 dgwow wrote: Sounds like JD just realized something that we've all known for a long time. It's hard for Flash to do much though when the state of terran is not so great... Maybe they could face off in a game of Starbow?
However, this article makes me happy!
Flash's slump has less to do with the state of Terran (although I'm not denying that it has nothing to do with it) and more to do with the fact that even as compared to other Terrans, Flash is really struggling right now
He's trying to find his identity I think, Flash is really stubborn some times and will play one strategy forever even if he gets hard countered by other playstyles or if it doesn't suit him.
On February 04 2014 12:54 Seeker wrote: JD also stated that he knows just how well Flash has consistently been performing in Proleague to this very day. Therefore, JD would like Flash to get rid off this pressure that he has to do well, so that Flash can approach his individual league matches with a calm mindset, so that two can meet at a high place again no matter what.
I think the real solution would be JD coming back to the Green Wings and facing Flash in the ace match of the Proleague Finals.
Do you realise Maru + JD + sOs is a sickly frightening combo :O?
On February 04 2014 13:13 BigFan wrote: JD has beaten the Elite Four and is currently battling against Red. Flash still hasn't gotten all his badges from the gym leaders to get to that point. Such a noob
negative sir. Red is playing in Korea, same as Lance, Steven Stone, Wallace, Cynthia & Alder
hmm, fair point lol. Unless JD goes back to Korea, doubt we'll see the rivalry continue.
On February 04 2014 13:13 BigFan wrote: JD has beaten the Elite Four and is currently battling against Red. Flash still hasn't gotten all his badges from the gym leaders to get to that point. Such a noob
negative sir. Red is playing in Korea, same as Lance, Steven Stone, Wallace, Cynthia & Alder
hmm, fair point lol. Unless JD goes back to Korea, doubt we'll see the rivalry continue.
with Flash in Code B he could still switch to WCS AM next season lol
Flash has some solid mech late game , Jaedong would struggle against him right now . To bad that with PL , the only way to see them face of is in WCS .
It's easy for him to speak..He doesn't has to play vs Protoss as a Terran..Maybe if Terran was a macro oriented race in SC2 Flash would have had much more success. You must be cheesy like Maru to have somewhat of a success these days. What Terran in his right mind would go macro vs Protoss?
On February 04 2014 20:58 Disarmed wrote: im a fanboy but right now its just irrational to call Flash > Jeadong.
In terms of tournament success, sure, but in a match between them I would put my money on Flash. I don't see Jaedong win against his mech, and his tendancy to cheese so often in ZvT is becoming a weakness.
On February 04 2014 20:59 p14c wrote: It's easy for him to speak..He doesn't has to play vs Protoss as a Terran..Maybe if Terran was a macro oriented race in SC2 Flash would have had much more success. You must be cheesy like Maru to have somewhat of a success these days. What Terran in his right mind would go macro vs Protoss?
Maru doesn't win against Protoss by "being cheesy" since there's like no working cheese in TvP. Just saying.
On February 04 2014 20:59 p14c wrote: It's easy for him to speak..He doesn't has to play vs Protoss as a Terran..Maybe if Terran was a macro oriented race in SC2 Flash would have had much more success. You must be cheesy like Maru to have somewhat of a success these days. What Terran in his right mind would go macro vs Protoss?
I really don't know which game you have been watching, but it doesn't sound like hots. Maru did ONE 1 base hellion build vs Protoss and that is it, he usually wins in standard makro games. I don't even think you understand what made flash so awesome in bw it's not just being able/allowed to makro. It was his mech he was the fucking god of mech, and the better mech will get in hots the better flash will get. I do agree with JD that we need more LeeSsangRok in star 2 though, maybe that wcs partner tournament gom is doing during wcs kr s2?
On February 04 2014 20:58 Disarmed wrote: im a fanboy but right now its just irrational to call Flash > Jeadong.
In terms of tournament success, sure, but in a match between them I would put my money on Flash. I don't see Jaedong win against his mech, and his tendancy to cheese so often in ZvT is becoming a weakness.
On February 04 2014 20:59 p14c wrote: It's easy for him to speak..He doesn't has to play vs Protoss as a Terran..Maybe if Terran was a macro oriented race in SC2 Flash would have had much more success. You must be cheesy like Maru to have somewhat of a success these days. What Terran in his right mind would go macro vs Protoss?
Maru doesn't win against Protoss by "being cheesy" since there's like no working cheese in TvP. Just saying.
On February 04 2014 20:58 Disarmed wrote: im a fanboy but right now its just irrational to call Flash > Jeadong.
In terms of tournament success, sure, but in a match between them I would put my money on Flash. I don't see Jaedong win against his mech, and his tendancy to cheese so often in ZvT is becoming a weakness.
On February 04 2014 20:59 p14c wrote: It's easy for him to speak..He doesn't has to play vs Protoss as a Terran..Maybe if Terran was a macro oriented race in SC2 Flash would have had much more success. You must be cheesy like Maru to have somewhat of a success these days. What Terran in his right mind would go macro vs Protoss?
Maru doesn't win against Protoss by "being cheesy" since there's like no working cheese in TvP. Just saying.
On February 04 2014 13:04 NeXSC2 wrote: How about JD participates in proleague just like LiquidHero. Right?
Not that easy, TL have an agreement with IM so that HerO can play in Proleague, don't think EG has any agreements with Korean teams so if JD want's to play in Proleague, EG needs to find a team for him.
On February 04 2014 20:58 Disarmed wrote: im a fanboy but right now its just irrational to call Flash > Jeadong.
In terms of tournament success, sure, but in a match between them I would put my money on Flash. I don't see Jaedong win against his mech, and his tendancy to cheese so often in ZvT is becoming a weakness.
On February 04 2014 20:59 p14c wrote: It's easy for him to speak..He doesn't has to play vs Protoss as a Terran..Maybe if Terran was a macro oriented race in SC2 Flash would have had much more success. You must be cheesy like Maru to have somewhat of a success these days. What Terran in his right mind would go macro vs Protoss?
Maru doesn't win against Protoss by "being cheesy" since there's like no working cheese in TvP. Just saying.
im just angry at flash
Why?
cause his sc2 career doesn't take off like i want to.
This is all being positive and such but basically it's JD saying flash to get his shit together? I'm also pretty puzzled by how flash doesn't attend much foreign events; doesn't KT have lots of spending money?
On February 04 2014 21:34 herMan wrote: This is all being positive and such but basically it's JD saying flash to get his shit together? I'm also pretty puzzled by how flash doesn't attend much foreign events; doesn't KT have lots of spending money?
its really just a subjective impression but somehow i get the impression that Jd is more open-minded. Flash still seems to be the bw robot and Jd seems to have hit puberty and wants to explore the world.
sounds even more cheesy after now reading it, just a gut feeling though.
Flash isn't that bad. His TvZ is pretty good, and JD's hasn't looked "untouchable" or anything recently. Isn't Flash on a pretty long TvZ winstreak now in proleague? My heart would want JD to win, but I think Flash could easily take a BO3 or even BO5 off JD.
On February 04 2014 22:17 Darrkhan wrote: JD vs Flash finals would be the best thing i can think of in SC2! WCS Global finals 2014 Flash vs JD! gogo! (and all the season finals too please)
They removed season finals from WCS 2014. You will only see 3 x 3 seasons of Premier/Challenger League and Blizzcon.
I think you can say Flash is slumping if he doesn't go on a 20+ - 0 streak in PL and/or doesn't win individual leagues. So yea Flash isn't doing great by the insane standards he set for himself in BW, but I think he is still easily one of the best players in the world.
Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.
On February 04 2014 21:38 bhfberserk wrote: 2014 Flash vs JD Blizzcon final... I believe!
one can dream !
but as much as i want both to meet in blizzcon grand finals .. i don't think this is happening soon. Flash is certainly a top player but if he will not reach maru's level he will not make it. Not to mention add the fucked up state of the game i don't see that happening.
Although if ever JD vs Flash happens . I will never sleep that day, skip all my classes and never go away from the monitor of my PC until it is over then spend like a million hours discussing the series in TL.
And of course JD will lose. History has already proven that lol
Can't help but feel that Jaedong would comfortably beat Flash if they were to play any kind of decent length series. Flash is admittedly posting better results in team league these days but his individual league performance has been highly suspect for a while. I think he still hasn't quite found the right playstyle for himself.
On February 04 2014 13:31 dgwow wrote: Sounds like JD just realized something that we've all known for a long time. It's hard for Flash to do much though when the state of terran is not so great... Maybe they could face off in a game of Starbow?
However, this article makes me happy!
Flash's slump has less to do with the state of Terran (although I'm not denying that it has nothing to do with it) and more to do with the fact that even as compared to other Terrans, Flash is really struggling right now
He's trying to find his identity I think, Flash is really stubborn some times and will play one strategy forever even if he gets hard countered by other playstyles or if it doesn't suit him.
btw guys how did he challenge flash? was it in an interview? a direct message? i'm curious on his exact words. it would have been awesome if it was in a video.
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote: Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.
lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?
If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.
On February 04 2014 13:31 dgwow wrote: Sounds like JD just realized something that we've all known for a long time. It's hard for Flash to do much though when the state of terran is not so great... Maybe they could face off in a game of Starbow?
However, this article makes me happy!
Flash's slump has less to do with the state of Terran (although I'm not denying that it has nothing to do with it) and more to do with the fact that even as compared to other Terrans, Flash is really struggling right now
He's trying to find his identity I think, Flash is really stubborn some times and will play one strategy forever even if he gets hard countered by other playstyles or if it doesn't suit him.
So basically you are saying he is bad unless the meta suits him...
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote: Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.
lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?
If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.
He was sent to 2 foreign events since september and he tried to qualify for 2 more (IEMs). I think we will see Flash in foreign events this year too, the problem is he is not good enough to do well.
On February 04 2014 13:04 NeXSC2 wrote: How about JD participates in proleague just like LiquidHero. Right?
Not that easy, TL have an agreement with IM so that HerO can play in Proleague, don't think EG has any agreements with Korean teams so if JD want's to play in Proleague, EG needs to find a team for him.
Why would he want to play in PL? Sorry to all the hardcore BW guys, but PL just isn't what it was in SC2 compare to BW. It isn't the be all and end all. I am not saying that PL isn't significant. But it isn't THE tournament anymore. So maybe KT needs to be like CJ and send their players to foreign events. Or maybe Flash can actually win one of the qualifiers.
It is funny that people are claiming that JD is taking the easy way when Flash is taking the financially easily way by stay on KT and not demanding them to send him to foreign events.
This is the same as when people claim the ex-BW pros like Mvp, MC were taking the 'easy' way by winning in SC2 when they couldn't make it in BW. In fact, it was the BW pros that took the 'safer' way with their regular salary compare to korean SC2 pros which were not given salary. So in fact, it was the Flash, JD, BIsu of the world that didn't have any 'balls' and just wanted their high salaries.
So no, Flash doesn't have 'balls' because he is staying in KR. He HAS to stay in KR because his team sponsors (KT Rolster) gains the most from him staying in KR. KT Rolster doesn't need a foreign market because they are a domestic telecom company.
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote: Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.
lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?
If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.
He was sent to 2 foreign events since september and he tried to qualify for 2 more (IEMs). I think we will see Flash in foreign events this year too, the problem is he is not good enough to do well.
They could have sent to him to open bracket at San Paulo, or do you think trot is better than Flash?
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote: Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.
lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?
If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.
He was sent to 2 foreign events since september and he tried to qualify for 2 more (IEMs). I think we will see Flash in foreign events this year too, the problem is he is not good enough to do well.
They could have sent to him to open bracket at San Paulo, or do you think trot is better than Flash?
I don't say they could not, fact is they don't and we don't know why exactly. It is weird to say flash should demand it, i don't think that is how it works.
Your statement that the BW pros didn't have the balls to switch to sc2 makes very little sense, i mean there has to be some motiviation to do so, and "having balls" is surely not one of them.
On February 05 2014 01:01 Fus wrote: I honestly think that Flash and JD are very equal at this point, it's just that JD is farming foreign tournements and that makes him look better.
Yeah I think so too. Plus given the general metagame, there is always that one matchup every Terran looks crap at, except maybe Maru. That doesn't help your overall skill perception.
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote: Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.
lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?
If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.
He was sent to 2 foreign events since september and he tried to qualify for 2 more (IEMs). I think we will see Flash in foreign events this year too, the problem is he is not good enough to do well.
They could have sent to him to open bracket at San Paulo, or do you think trot is better than Flash?
I don't say they could not, fact is they don't and we don't know why exactly. It is weird to say flash should demand it, i don't think that is how it works.
Your statement that the BW pros didn't have the balls to switch to sc2 makes very little sense, i mean there has to be some motiviation to do so, and "having balls" is surely not one of them.
I understand that that, but players making the same comments about JD playing in PL/KR is just as ridiculous given that he is on EG. What is JD's motivation? PL is no longer 'THE' league in SC2.
I was responding to the OP about JD having to grow balls to play in KR... Then Flash should grow some as well. If he cant do well enough in KR for him to qualify for Blizzcon, maybe he needs to do something different instead of staying in his comfort zone (PL).
On February 05 2014 01:01 Fus wrote: I honestly think that Flash and JD are very equal at this point, it's just that JD is farming foreign tournements and that makes him look better.
Yes, they seem to be on a similar level in sc2, but this is e-sports where if you are slightly better than an opponent you are deemed to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote: Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.
lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?
If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.
Last time I checked, going to AM and getting a good salary from EG while not being sent to Korean tournaments is the safe route, I really don't understand what you are talking about. Are you trying to say that Foreign events are harder than GSL?
On February 04 2014 13:31 dgwow wrote: Sounds like JD just realized something that we've all known for a long time. It's hard for Flash to do much though when the state of terran is not so great... Maybe they could face off in a game of Starbow?
However, this article makes me happy!
Flash's slump has less to do with the state of Terran (although I'm not denying that it has nothing to do with it) and more to do with the fact that even as compared to other Terrans, Flash is really struggling right now
He's trying to find his identity I think, Flash is really stubborn some times and will play one strategy forever even if he gets hard countered by other playstyles or if it doesn't suit him.
So basically you are saying he is bad unless the meta suits him...
Shame on players trying to establish their own play style right, Flash is so bad trying to get Mech to work for him in TvZ.
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote: Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.
lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?
If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.
Fanboyism aside, there is no debate as to JD having the safer route...
if this match took place in proleague, flash > jaedong for sure, some of his proleague games have been out of this world, JD hasnt played a terran of flashed caliber in a long time
Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to dare compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
JD is getting closer and closer to 30 with no education People need to realise their role models need to think about their future. With 30 JD has to live at least 40+ more years with the money he has earned up to then.
Any disappointed fan of a player is not a real fan at all.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to dare compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
JD is getting closer and closer to 30 with no education People need to realise their role models need to think about their future. With 30 JD has to live at least 40+ more years with the money he has earned up to then.
Any disappointed fan of a player is not a real fan at all.
My fandom is not unconditional. Also, if it's really as bad as you describe then the best for JD would be to simply not start this lame posturing in the first place.
Where does the rok come from? I only now it short for republic of korea. After searching some more TL, some said rok has something to do with record aswell in korea... thats not very accurate, would like more insight.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote: Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.
lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?
If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.
Last time I checked, going to AM and getting a good salary from EG while not being sent to Korean tournaments is the safe route, I really don't understand what you are talking about. Are you trying to say that Foreign events are harder than GSL?
On February 04 2014 13:31 dgwow wrote: Sounds like JD just realized something that we've all known for a long time. It's hard for Flash to do much though when the state of terran is not so great... Maybe they could face off in a game of Starbow?
However, this article makes me happy!
Flash's slump has less to do with the state of Terran (although I'm not denying that it has nothing to do with it) and more to do with the fact that even as compared to other Terrans, Flash is really struggling right now
He's trying to find his identity I think, Flash is really stubborn some times and will play one strategy forever even if he gets hard countered by other playstyles or if it doesn't suit him.
So basically you are saying he is bad unless the meta suits him...
Shame on players trying to establish their own play style right, Flash is so bad trying to get Mech to work for him in TvZ.
MKP had his own play style as well as Inca. It is great that players have their own style, but when it doesn't work, they need to be flexible enough to adapt. LoL players are rated based on their champion pools, sc2 player should be rated based on their builds and styles they can play. So yes, if you cannot play other styles, you are not a top pro. It is great to have a signature style, but that doesn't mean you exclusive play that strategy, because unlike BW, you can be expose if you only play a certain style in SC2.
On February 04 2014 22:21 Tchado wrote: Maybe if JD grows some balls and plays in WCS Korea or the GSL , then he might have the right to call out Flash , until then , Flash is the superior player.
lol, so it is JD fault for Flash taking the 'safe' route by getting good salary from KT while not being sent to foreign events and doing poorly in KR individual leagues?
If Flash had 'balls', he would demand that KT send him to foreign events.
Fanboyism aside, there is no debate as to JD having the safer route...
Well, that depends on the salary of KT vs EG, doesn't it. If Flash get significant more without having to do well in foreign events, he is taking the 'safer' route financially.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8, before that I had OZ.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Knowing the competitor JD is, I'm pretty sure he would like to play in GSL and proleague. it's more than likely that's he's obligated to play in AM and more foreign tournaments because he's on EG, as is taeja, hero, POLT, Hyun, stardust, and anyone that's a big name figure on a foreign team
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Knowing the competitor JD is, I'm pretty sure he would like to play in GSL and proleague. it's more than likely that's he's obligated to play in AM and more foreign tournaments because he's on EG, as is taeja, hero, POLT, Hyun, stardust, and anyone that's a big name figure on a foreign team
Well, in 2013, it didn't really matter since the top players got to compete with each other in the season finals and Blizzcon 4 times a year anyways. In 2014, we only have Blizzcon.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. Everything else is fluff. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble.
PL is still the most meaningful league in e-sports . Without it Kespa team's sponsors wouldn't have anything to throw their money at and there would be no teams . With no sponsors don't expect GSTL/GSL/WCS to nourish 100+ korean progamers.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
On February 04 2014 13:31 dgwow wrote: Sounds like JD just realized something that we've all known for a long time. It's hard for Flash to do much though when the state of terran is not so great... Maybe they could face off in a game of Starbow?
However, this article makes me happy!
Flash's slump has less to do with the state of Terran (although I'm not denying that it has nothing to do with it) and more to do with the fact that even as compared to other Terrans, Flash is really struggling right now
He's trying to find his identity I think, Flash is really stubborn some times and will play one strategy forever even if he gets hard countered by other playstyles or if it doesn't suit him.
So untrue.
I believe his point was that Flash is just finding what suits him best as in, in BW, he would go 14cc and get countered everytime until he eventually got it to work so maybe he's trying to do something similar in SCII although I dunno if that will work tbh.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do with 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
Someone organize a series of showmatches. People would always tune in to watch Jaedong vs Flash. You could probably make multiple matches and still get great value every time.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
I didn't contest anything of what you wrote here... Where did I say he couldn't do well or possibly win GSL? I didn't.
GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and if JD wants to posture with lame challenges, that's the place to be. Not random foreign tournaments.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. Everything else is fluff. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
I didn't contest anything of what you wrote here... Where did I say he couldn't do well or possibly win GSL? I didn't.
GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and if JD wants to posture with lame challenges, that's the place to be. Not random foreign tournaments.
Actually, in terms of player pool, GSL is the not the hardest tournament in the world. The KR qualifiers for foreign events are, since they have all the players from GSL and a lot of Koreans playing in NA, EU.
Yes, WCS KR is tougher than WCS NA, EU, I don't think anyone will argue that.
But JD showed by getting second in season 2 and global finals that he can beat the top players from KR which Flash hasn't shown in individual leagues since MLG. I mean if JD dominated NA and then got crushed by KR players at those tournaments, you would have an argument.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
I didn't contest anything of what you wrote here... Where did I say he couldn't do well or possibly win GSL? I didn't.
GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and if JD wants to posture with lame challenges, that's the place to be. Not random foreign tournaments.
You said JD participated in blizzcon bc he dodged GSL...
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
All those foreign tournaments were chalk full of GSL level Koreans, and he showed he was dominant in every situation that wasn't a finals. It's not like he was just beating up foreigners in online cups...
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
I didn't contest anything of what you wrote here... Where did I say he couldn't do well or possibly win GSL? I didn't.
GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and if JD wants to posture with lame challenges, that's the place to be. Not random foreign tournaments.
Even if JD were to come over to Korea to play in GSL again, Flash still got kicked out with his nose first last time around. It doesn't matter if they're both in Korea when Flash is in Code B.
Also, I'm very intrigued by your being a fan of JD. You seem like a very salty fan.
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
I didn't contest anything of what you wrote here... Where did I say he couldn't do well or possibly win GSL? I didn't.
GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and if JD wants to posture with lame challenges, that's the place to be. Not random foreign tournaments.
You said JD participated in blizzcon bc he dodged GSL...
Actually, I said mostly. Read it again.
You can't argue against that it's much more likely to drop a series at any stage of the tournament in GSL than it is in WCS AM, doesn't matter how good you are.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
I didn't contest anything of what you wrote here... Where did I say he couldn't do well or possibly win GSL? I didn't.
GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and if JD wants to posture with lame challenges, that's the place to be. Not random foreign tournaments.
You said JD participated in blizzcon bc he dodged GSL...
Actually, I said mostly. Read it again.
You can't argue against that it's much more likely to drop a series at any stage of the tournament in GSL than it is in WCS AM, doesn't matter how good you are.
What about Flash at foreign events? It isn't like he is rolling over the supposedly weaker competition... Or will you make excuse for him about travel and jet lag? Flash can't even win fluff events...
On February 05 2014 02:06 vrok wrote: [quote] Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
I didn't contest anything of what you wrote here... Where did I say he couldn't do well or possibly win GSL? I didn't.
GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and if JD wants to posture with lame challenges, that's the place to be. Not random foreign tournaments.
You said JD participated in blizzcon bc he dodged GSL...
Actually, I said mostly. Read it again.
You can't argue against that it's much more likely to drop a series at any stage of the tournament in GSL than it is in WCS AM, doesn't matter how good you are.
What about Flash at foreign events? It isn't like he is rolling over the supposedly weaker competition... Or will you make excuse for him about travel and jet lag?
Getting beat up in Korea and not making it overseas at least ensures that Flash has his honour intact
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
I didn't contest anything of what you wrote here... Where did I say he couldn't do well or possibly win GSL? I didn't.
GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and if JD wants to posture with lame challenges, that's the place to be. Not random foreign tournaments.
You said JD participated in blizzcon bc he dodged GSL...
Actually, I said mostly. Read it again.
You can't argue against that it's much more likely to drop a series at any stage of the tournament in GSL than it is in WCS AM, doesn't matter how good you are.
OOooooo then flash will mostly just drop out early in foreign tournaments
On February 05 2014 02:06 vrok wrote: [quote] Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
I didn't contest anything of what you wrote here... Where did I say he couldn't do well or possibly win GSL? I didn't.
GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and if JD wants to posture with lame challenges, that's the place to be. Not random foreign tournaments.
You said JD participated in blizzcon bc he dodged GSL...
Actually, I said mostly. Read it again.
You can't argue against that it's much more likely to drop a series at any stage of the tournament in GSL than it is in WCS AM, doesn't matter how good you are.
OOooooo then flash will mostly just drop out early in foreign tournaments
On February 05 2014 01:50 vrok wrote: Maybe if Jaedong didn't flee all relevant Korean leagues this challenge might have some merit. As it stands, all of Korea has an outstanding challenge against Jaedong to try and compete in national leagues. And I say this not as a Flash fanboy or Jaedong hater, but as a disappointed Jaedong fan.
Lol, you have KT as your team tag, I am sure no bias there, right? Maybe if Flash actually got close to blizzcon...
Uh, JD doesn't play in Proleague, remember? My tag is KT because JD left T8.
So basically you are PL fan that feels PL is the be all and end all like it was in BW... Sorry to burst your bubble. PL is still a premier tournament but its importance is a lot lower than it was in BW. The Korean fan base is either in LoL or back to BW. The foreign fan base has events like IEM, ASUS, DH, etc.
Proleague, GSL and maybe Blizzcon/season finals are the be all end all of SC2. JD participates in one of those, and mostly because he dodges GSL to get there.
LOL the fact that's put JD and "dodge" in the same context shows that you know absolutely nothing about JD ....
It has absolutely nothing to do 'knowing JD'. It's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's only to appease EG. It's still a dodge.
You still can't say with confidence that JD wouldn't do well in GSL. First of all JD has beaten Dear (2x season 3 champion), Maru(season 2 ) champion, MVP (4 time GSL winner who can pull himself back to the top at any moment), and the list goes on of formidable opponents. It's also pretty safe to say that flash is a preparation based player, which explains why he had such a good proleague record but loses 0-2 to dimaga... JD has proved to be able to prepare for opponents as well since he's done it in brood war (3 OSLs and 2 MSLs) AND he's able to consistently place high at tournaments what involve playing several BOXs per day. You can say JD "dodge"ed GSL but you have no way of saying he won't do well or possibly win one. The facts are against you lol
I didn't contest anything of what you wrote here... Where did I say he couldn't do well or possibly win GSL? I didn't.
GSL is the hardest tournament in the world and if JD wants to posture with lame challenges, that's the place to be. Not random foreign tournaments.
Even if JD were to come over to Korea to play in GSL again, Flash still got kicked out with his nose first last time around. It doesn't matter if they're both in Korea when Flash is in Code B.
Also, I'm very intrigued by your being a fan of JD. You seem like a very salty fan.
Meh i was a huge Jaedong fan before and always defended him in BW's power rank , because he was the undisputed best player from 2007 to 2010... some people argued otherwise , not because winning a ton of individual leagues , but also because he was carring his team in Proleague . Back then him and Flash were puting in the works carring their teams and advancing far in individual leagues as expected of them .
Now it seems Jaedong has an easier time , no teamleague commitment whatsoever , doesn't play in the korean qualifiers which is magnitudes harder then the other qualifiers and EG flies him to all the big events , which gives him the chance to showoff a lot more then Flash . Flash still doing fine in Proleague as always , but struggles in the one individual league that he can actually play in . Results wise right now (as in this last tournaments they played) they both don't impress much and seem about equal .Gameplay wise - Flash sucks in TvP , Jaedong seems to suck in ZvT as i wasn't impressed in his games against ForGG whatsoever recently .
I guess having more exposure is Jaedong's compensation for not having as a solid team as KT to back him up before , so i guess both players got what they deserve . Financially i don't know which player sits better right now , but just from the perspective of who is playing in a more competitive environment Flash gets a node up from me . You say that Flash got kicked out code A which is true , but YongHwa and BraVo's level in those games is way higher then what Jaedong is getting as a first match in his was it EU or US qualifier , i don't remember . There is no evidence that Jaedong can do better or worse then Flash in Code A unless he comes to Korea and quallfies from code B and A qualifiers . That's not really the point , the point is that Jaedong calls out Flash , but they perform in different environments and the chance to meet each other is either Flash has to step up his game and reach top 4 in GSL which is insanely hard , Jaedong too has to reach WCS finals , or Jaedong comes to Korea . Flash can't go to this foreign tournaments , because of Proleague commitments . I hope Kespa team follow CJ example and send some of their players to foreign events , and hopefully they don't get the side effects that CJ gets in Proleague .
Flash shows results in Proleague , Jaedong shows results in foreign tournaments .
On February 04 2014 13:12 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:54 Seeker wrote: JD also stated that he knows just how well Flash has consistently been performing in Proleague to this very day. Therefore, JD would like Flash to get rid off this pressure that he has to do well, so that Flash can approach his individual league matches with a calm mindset, so that two can meet at a high place again no matter what.
I think the real solution would be JD coming back to the Green Wings and facing Flash in the ace match of the Proleague Finals.
Do you realise Maru + JD + sOs is a sickly frightening combo :O?
On February 04 2014 13:12 M.R. McThundercrotch wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:54 Seeker wrote: JD also stated that he knows just how well Flash has consistently been performing in Proleague to this very day. Therefore, JD would like Flash to get rid off this pressure that he has to do well, so that Flash can approach his individual league matches with a calm mindset, so that two can meet at a high place again no matter what.
I think the real solution would be JD coming back to the Green Wings and facing Flash in the ace match of the Proleague Finals.
Do you realise Maru + JD + sOs is a sickly frightening combo :O?
Yes I do. Yes. I. Do. And Maru is my favorite SC2 player, right now; so, I would love to see it.
On February 04 2014 13:04 NeXSC2 wrote: How about JD participates in proleague just like LiquidHero. Right?
Not that easy, TL have an agreement with IM so that HerO can play in Proleague, don't think EG has any agreements with Korean teams so if JD want's to play in Proleague, EG needs to find a team for him.
I know just the right team for him...
On February 05 2014 00:01 danbel1005 wrote: Bisu come back ok?
Flash is competing in Korea a lot harder from him to rise up in the individual leagues than JD in America. I'm really curious to see how JD would do if he were to go back to Korea and do GSL.
I think they both just want to make headlines because they aren't with their results.
Honestly, w.e makes Flash play better and get results in individual leagues, I'm fine with it. I hate to see him not living up to expectations. He's shown moments of brilliance, hope he can get that back.
On February 05 2014 07:23 AnonymousSC2 wrote: I think they both just want to make headlines because they aren't with their results.
Honestly, w.e makes Flash play better and get results in individual leagues, I'm fine with it. I hate to see him not living up to expectations. He's shown moments of brilliance, hope he can get that back.
Jaedong is definitely making headlines with his results. Flash isn't though.
On February 04 2014 12:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Jaedong just Gary Oak'd him!
Oh my god is that actually a thing? Please let Garry Oak'd be a thing.
I'm also patiently waiting for the day that Flash steps up to the occasion in SC2 individual tournaments. We've seen his performance in Proleague, so it's not like he's lacking ability. Whatever's holding him back, hopefully JD's words of encouragement help him get over it.
It's not like Flash isn't trying his hardest to get far in individual leagues (which is basically only GSL atm). But for a Terran to get far in individual leagues right now, they have to be a TvP God (Maru atm), playing out of their mind (ForGG recently, but he still fell before the might of Protoss), or for the entire poorly-designed race that is Protoss to be removed so that the only matchups Flash would have to play would be the balanced matchups of TvT and TvZ. (Ok, I lied, TvZ isn't balanced no matter how you look at it. Mech TvZ is broken for Terran, especially once you get to split map Sky Terran, and Bio TvZ favors Zerg.)
On February 05 2014 07:23 AnonymousSC2 wrote: I think they both just want to make headlines because they aren't with their results.
Honestly, w.e makes Flash play better and get results in individual leagues, I'm fine with it. I hate to see him not living up to expectations. He's shown moments of brilliance, hope he can get that back.
Jaedong is definitely making headlines with his results. Flash isn't though.
Flash does not have the luxury to travel overseas or freedom in a Kespa Team. Trains for Proleague/GSL vs Jaedong in American and weekend tourneys. I would say JD has it a lot easier than Flash. Flash is doing well, it's just a lot harder to compete in Korea vs the best of the best. JD faces good players as well, but you can't even compare America vs Korea.
On February 05 2014 07:23 AnonymousSC2 wrote: I think they both just want to make headlines because they aren't with their results.
Honestly, w.e makes Flash play better and get results in individual leagues, I'm fine with it. I hate to see him not living up to expectations. He's shown moments of brilliance, hope he can get that back.
Jaedong is definitely making headlines with his results. Flash isn't though.
Flash does not have the luxury to travel overseas or freedom in a Kespa Team. Trains for Proleague/GSL vs Jaedong in American and weekend tourneys. I would say JD has it a lot easier than Flash. Flash is doing well, it's just a lot harder to compete in Korea vs the best of the best. JD faces good players as well, but you can't even compare America vs Korea.
Maybe Flash should join a better team? Someone who provides that kind of freed[white]om[/white]
On February 05 2014 06:05 Lorch wrote: Well if Jaedong would have just went back to T8 like he was supposed to (in my perfect world) we wouldn't even have this problem.
On February 05 2014 07:23 AnonymousSC2 wrote: I think they both just want to make headlines because they aren't with their results.
Honestly, w.e makes Flash play better and get results in individual leagues, I'm fine with it. I hate to see him not living up to expectations. He's shown moments of brilliance, hope he can get that back.
Jaedong is definitely making headlines with his results. Flash isn't though.
Flash does not have the luxury to travel overseas or freedom in a Kespa Team. Trains for Proleague/GSL vs Jaedong in American and weekend tourneys. I would say JD has it a lot easier than Flash. Flash is doing well, it's just a lot harder to compete in Korea vs the best of the best. JD faces good players as well, but you can't even compare America vs Korea.
Maybe Flash should join a better team? Someone who provides that kind of freed[white]om[/white]
Aww, joke doesn't work : (
Yes. He should find a team that can make first place in PL and 2 player in the top 6 (including him). Oh wait...
:p
I really love how JD wants to push Flash. It means he believes in him. They're friend so i think this means a lot.
On February 05 2014 16:53 Baarn wrote: Sounds to me like JD should return to proleague if this is what he see's as important to him. I guess now he's seeing the EG money isn't everything.
I am trying to see how you could make a post like this and think he is now seeing EG money isn't everything? Please explain.
On February 04 2014 13:36 mrRoflpwn wrote: Flash has got nothin on JD in sc2
If you know their BW history, flash got nothing on JD for the most of the first half of their rivalry. Then Flash out of no where just owns JD for the most of the other half.
On February 04 2014 13:36 mrRoflpwn wrote: Flash has got nothin on JD in sc2
If you know their BW history, flash got nothing on JD for the most of the first half of their rivalry. Then Flash out of no where just owns JD for the most of the other half.
Yea I remember
At that time it was still Jaedong, Bisu, Stork, Flash.
Jaedong was Power Rank #1.
Crown prince fantasy went to finals against Jaedong, but got owned, Silvers.
Then there is 1 proleague match where Bisu with very good dragoon micro, destroy all Flash vulture mine. And win.
That time Jaedong is #1? Follow by Bisu, then Stork. Flash maybe one of the weaker 1 among the 4. . . After that match, or around that time for some reason Bisu start not doing so well. Mini slump?
After Fantasy challenge Jaedong fail, next is Flash. But power outrage happen during Jaedong Flash Finals, and there is alot controversy.
But anyway after that Flash got stronger, and Jaedong become #2, Flash #1. That is all I can remember
I actually stopped watching Starcraft BW around this time? I tink it is because BoxeR appear in SC2 . . . .
EPT
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