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On January 25 2014 21:22 quebecman77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 16:58 saddaromma wrote:On January 25 2014 16:35 Kergy wrote:
fired the wrong david -_-
User was warned for this post Any owner of SC2 game reserves a right to be unhappy with the product's support and to be vocal about it. Whats wrong with wanting someone to get fired? its just an opinion of one individual that person in charge doesn't fit the job. However outright bashing, smth like "DK is a stupid fuck, and turned starcraft 2 into a shit" is ofc too far since its personal. plz keep in note i have also read the other comments about losing a job ( yeah it suck but some time you are not the person qualified for the job so you should not have it anymore ) and i will say it here : THEY FIRED THE WRONG DAVID and that my right to say it, he make me waste year of my life,i have enter this bullshit progamer world and wasted my time because this game was stupid enough for never fix terran.... he can find one other job or anything he not qualified for the job he got. and im fealing they are nothing wrong with saying what the first poster say. i was about to reinstall sc2 if they did fired the other guy....that how im fealing about his balancing....
So... Can't we just apply the same logic to you losing your progamer job then? Since you can also "find one other job or anything" since you are "not qualified for the job (you wanted)"? It was your choice to enter the progaming world and everybody in the entire industry knows how volatile and cutthroat the scene can be.
And if you really think that someone else can do a better job at balancing, look at all the other RTS' on the market, nearly all of them aside from blizzard's are defunct after just a few years due to severe lack of balance and support. What makes you think that firing David Kim would solve? Who would you hire in his place? Because I can not think of any singular people in the industry that could do a better job than what Blizzard is doing right now, even though I'm also equally frustrated by the perceived imbalance.
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On January 25 2014 21:22 quebecman77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 16:58 saddaromma wrote:On January 25 2014 16:35 Kergy wrote:
fired the wrong david -_-
User was warned for this post Any owner of SC2 game reserves a right to be unhappy with the product's support and to be vocal about it. Whats wrong with wanting someone to get fired? its just an opinion of one individual that person in charge doesn't fit the job. However outright bashing, smth like "DK is a stupid fuck, and turned starcraft 2 into a shit" is ofc too far since its personal. plz keep in note i have also read the other comments about losing a job ( yeah it suck but some time you are not the person qualified for the job so you should not have it anymore ) and i will say it here : THEY FIRED THE WRONG DAVID and that my right to say it, he make me waste year of my life,i have enter this bullshit progamer world and wasted my time because this game was stupid enough for never fix terran.... he can find one other job or anything he not qualified for the job he got. and im fealing they are nothing wrong with saying what the first poster say. i was about to reinstall sc2 if they did fired the other guy....that how im fealing about his balancing....
What did I just read? Its all Blizzard's fault that he couldn't make it as a pro-gamer?
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On January 25 2014 16:58 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 16:35 Kergy wrote:
fired the wrong david -_-
User was warned for this post Any owner of SC2 game reserves a right to be unhappy with the product's support and to be vocal about it. Whats wrong with wanting someone to get fired? its just an opinion of one individual that person in charge doesn't fit the job. However outright bashing, smth like "DK is a stupid fuck, and turned starcraft 2 into a shit" is ofc too far since its personal.
You can be unhappy about the product and still not act like a cunt about it. TL should just temp ban for that kind of posts, if your contribution is like that, it's unlikely that it's any better elsewhere.
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So many easy David Kim jokes.
Sure, I hate on him every now and then too, but he is also responsible for the game everybody over here loves to death, and while we might often forget it, the only reason you've been here as long as you have, is because he did a pretty marvelous job (I highly disagree with his current thoughts, but that's no reason for shameless hate)!
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On January 25 2014 21:38 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 21:22 quebecman77 wrote:On January 25 2014 16:58 saddaromma wrote:On January 25 2014 16:35 Kergy wrote:
fired the wrong david -_-
User was warned for this post Any owner of SC2 game reserves a right to be unhappy with the product's support and to be vocal about it. Whats wrong with wanting someone to get fired? its just an opinion of one individual that person in charge doesn't fit the job. However outright bashing, smth like "DK is a stupid fuck, and turned starcraft 2 into a shit" is ofc too far since its personal. plz keep in note i have also read the other comments about losing a job ( yeah it suck but some time you are not the person qualified for the job so you should not have it anymore ) and i will say it here : THEY FIRED THE WRONG DAVID and that my right to say it, he make me waste year of my life,i have enter this bullshit progamer world and wasted my time because this game was stupid enough for never fix terran.... he can find one other job or anything he not qualified for the job he got. and im fealing they are nothing wrong with saying what the first poster say. i was about to reinstall sc2 if they did fired the other guy....that how im fealing about his balancing.... So... Can't we just apply the same logic to you losing your progamer job then? Since you can also "find one other job or anything" since you are "not qualified for the job (you wanted)"? It was your choice to enter the progaming world and everybody in the entire industry knows how volatile and cutthroat the scene can be. And if you really think that someone else can do a better job at balancing, look at all the other RTS' on the market, nearly all of them aside from blizzard's are defunct after just a few years due to severe lack of balance and support. What makes you think that firing David Kim would solve? Who would you hire in his place? Because I can not think of any singular people in the industry that could do a better job than what Blizzard is doing right now, even though I'm also equally frustrated by the perceived imbalance.
Same logic for me? Will argues that switching race to zerg back then would have made me qualified... That was more because of the terrible balance who made the most foreigne stop this game but yeah I'm not playing anymore... Him? He still here and I'm pretty sure he can't not just switch races...
The other points are invalid... Currently they are really not many real time RTS don't mean we should accept shit and bad balance and david kim the man behind the balance of this game... he the one who say, okay today we remove the reaper from the game because they are OP ( while not looking how the top pro started to counter them realy good )
or TODAY we nerf that and that... today we BUFF queen for enter the zerg era... he changed many pro gamer life.
will also add something most people dont know about david kim, he FUCKING DONT care about pro gamer view on balance,
SLAYERS BOXER, NADA, many korean, MANY top foreigner have try to talk to him about balance, most of the time he did not even reply to them and if he did he KNOW better that the pro gamer about the balance....
for balance ?? hire any pro gamer who are listed above....for exemple think of slayers-boxer balancing sc2?? nada??
for balance im alway thinking it should be a pro gamer, david kim
( unlike what they are trying to make the general public think... he NOT A PRO GAMER OR A TOP PLAYERS..... )
you see balance realy good trust me if you play something for 10-20 year all day, everyday... most pro would balance this game realy good and often pro ( who cant talk btw ) think he balance like shit....
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On January 25 2014 21:22 quebecman77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 16:58 saddaromma wrote:On January 25 2014 16:35 Kergy wrote:
fired the wrong david -_-
User was warned for this post Any owner of SC2 game reserves a right to be unhappy with the product's support and to be vocal about it. Whats wrong with wanting someone to get fired? its just an opinion of one individual that person in charge doesn't fit the job. However outright bashing, smth like "DK is a stupid fuck, and turned starcraft 2 into a shit" is ofc too far since its personal. plz keep in note i have also read the other comments about losing a job ( yeah it suck but some time you are not the person qualified for the job so you should not have it anymore ) and i will say it here : THEY FIRED THE WRONG DAVID and that my right to say it, he make me waste year of my life,i have enter this bullshit progamer world and wasted my time because this game was stupid enough for never fix terran.... he can find one other job or anything he not qualified for the job he got. and im fealing they are nothing wrong with saying what the first poster say. i was about to reinstall sc2 if they did fired the other guy....that how im fealing about his balancing....
Wow I am amazed how you can put the responsability of your behavior "i have enter this bullshit progamer world" on someone else "he make me waste year of my life".
That is the definition of not owning your behavior!
Exactly like a guy who beats his wife saying "She pushed me into beating her because she knows I can't stand 2 milk in my coffee... it's not MY fault, SHE pushed me into beating her!!!" NO, no she is not the reason. Your lack of control and coping skills are the reason why you beat her.
Please take some time to reflect on this... I understand your frustrations but YOU are the owner of YOUR behaviors.
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On January 25 2014 21:54 Mifoi123 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 21:22 quebecman77 wrote:On January 25 2014 16:58 saddaromma wrote:On January 25 2014 16:35 Kergy wrote:
fired the wrong david -_-
User was warned for this post Any owner of SC2 game reserves a right to be unhappy with the product's support and to be vocal about it. Whats wrong with wanting someone to get fired? its just an opinion of one individual that person in charge doesn't fit the job. However outright bashing, smth like "DK is a stupid fuck, and turned starcraft 2 into a shit" is ofc too far since its personal. plz keep in note i have also read the other comments about losing a job ( yeah it suck but some time you are not the person qualified for the job so you should not have it anymore ) and i will say it here : THEY FIRED THE WRONG DAVID and that my right to say it, he make me waste year of my life,i have enter this bullshit progamer world and wasted my time because this game was stupid enough for never fix terran.... he can find one other job or anything he not qualified for the job he got. and im fealing they are nothing wrong with saying what the first poster say. i was about to reinstall sc2 if they did fired the other guy....that how im fealing about his balancing.... Wow I am amazed how you can put the responsability of your behavior "i have enter this bullshit progamer world" on someone else "he make me waste year of my life". That is the definition of not owning your behavior!Exactly like a guy who beats his wife saying "She pushed me into beating her because she knows I can't stand 2 milk in my coffee... it's not MY fault, SHE pushed me into beating her!!!" NO, no she is not the reason. Your lack of control and coping skills are the reason why you beat her. Please take some time to reflect on this... I understand your frustrations but YOU are the owner of YOUR behaviors.
yeah sorry this was not mature of me to say that, he not the reason, he part of the reason and the main reason was my lack of skill, plz dont derails the topic more.
that was about people listed losing their job and it suck, should have not start the david kim talk. sorry
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On January 25 2014 21:52 quebecman77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 21:38 Caihead wrote:On January 25 2014 21:22 quebecman77 wrote:On January 25 2014 16:58 saddaromma wrote:On January 25 2014 16:35 Kergy wrote:
fired the wrong david -_-
User was warned for this post Any owner of SC2 game reserves a right to be unhappy with the product's support and to be vocal about it. Whats wrong with wanting someone to get fired? its just an opinion of one individual that person in charge doesn't fit the job. However outright bashing, smth like "DK is a stupid fuck, and turned starcraft 2 into a shit" is ofc too far since its personal. plz keep in note i have also read the other comments about losing a job ( yeah it suck but some time you are not the person qualified for the job so you should not have it anymore ) and i will say it here : THEY FIRED THE WRONG DAVID and that my right to say it, he make me waste year of my life,i have enter this bullshit progamer world and wasted my time because this game was stupid enough for never fix terran.... he can find one other job or anything he not qualified for the job he got. and im fealing they are nothing wrong with saying what the first poster say. i was about to reinstall sc2 if they did fired the other guy....that how im fealing about his balancing.... So... Can't we just apply the same logic to you losing your progamer job then? Since you can also "find one other job or anything" since you are "not qualified for the job (you wanted)"? It was your choice to enter the progaming world and everybody in the entire industry knows how volatile and cutthroat the scene can be. And if you really think that someone else can do a better job at balancing, look at all the other RTS' on the market, nearly all of them aside from blizzard's are defunct after just a few years due to severe lack of balance and support. What makes you think that firing David Kim would solve? Who would you hire in his place? Because I can not think of any singular people in the industry that could do a better job than what Blizzard is doing right now, even though I'm also equally frustrated by the perceived imbalance. Same logic for me? Will argues that switching race to zerg back then would have made me qualified... That was more because of the terrible balance who made the most foreigne stop this game but yeah I'm not playing anymore... Him? He still here and I'm pretty sure he can't not just switch races... The other points are invalid... Currently they are really not many real time RTS don't mean we should accept shit and bad balance and david kim the man behind the balance of this game... he the one who say, okay today we remove the reaper from the game because they are OP ( while not looking how the top pro started to counter them realy good ) or TODAY we nerf that and that... today we BUFF queen for enter the zerg era... he changed many pro gamer life. will also add something most people dont know about david kim, he FUCKING DONT care about pro gamer view on balance, SLAYERS BOXER, NADA, many korean, MANY top foreigner have try to talk to him about balance, most of the time he did not even reply to them and if he did he KNOW better that the pro gamer about the balance.... for balance ?? hire any pro gamer who are listed above....for exemple think of slayers-boxer balancing sc2?? nada?? for balance im alway thinking it should be a pro gamer, david kim ( unlike what they are trying to make the general public think... he NOT A PRO GAMER OR A TOP PLAYERS..... ) you see balance realy good trust me if you play something for 10-20 year all day, everyday... most pro would balance this game realy good and often pro ( who cant talk btw ) think he balance like shit....
no pro-gamer would want david kim's job
will also add something most people dont know about david kim, he FUCKING DONT care about pro gamer view on balance,
SLAYERS BOXER, NADA, many korean, MANY top foreigner have try to talk to him about balance, most of the time he did not even reply to them and if he did he KNOW better that the pro gamer about the balance....
you get this information from where? Pro-gamers are VERY biased, you have to decide what to take seriously or not, also why do act like you know what David Kim thinks....
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i dont think you should a have pro gamers at all balancing the game. They understand the game they have been given not the complexity of the games development process but i can see the argument for this. You may get ex pros being bias and or compromised with past teams or personel but these are just my thoughts
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Lol I really thought i read for a second david kim leaves blizzard i was so HAPPY! then read the last name got sad.
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On January 25 2014 21:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 21:22 quebecman77 wrote:On January 25 2014 16:58 saddaromma wrote:On January 25 2014 16:35 Kergy wrote:
fired the wrong david -_-
User was warned for this post Any owner of SC2 game reserves a right to be unhappy with the product's support and to be vocal about it. Whats wrong with wanting someone to get fired? its just an opinion of one individual that person in charge doesn't fit the job. However outright bashing, smth like "DK is a stupid fuck, and turned starcraft 2 into a shit" is ofc too far since its personal. plz keep in note i have also read the other comments about losing a job ( yeah it suck but some time you are not the person qualified for the job so you should not have it anymore ) and i will say it here : THEY FIRED THE WRONG DAVID and that my right to say it, he make me waste year of my life,i have enter this bullshit progamer world and wasted my time because this game was stupid enough for never fix terran.... he can find one other job or anything he not qualified for the job he got. and im fealing they are nothing wrong with saying what the first poster say. i was about to reinstall sc2 if they did fired the other guy....that how im fealing about his balancing.... What did I just read? Its all Blizzard's fault that he couldn't make it as a pro-gamer?
seems that way. But posts like this are nothing new, the amount lately though makes me think about giving up on TL too or atleast on some regions of the Sc2 section.
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this is just like any other industry. in finance if you only knew the number of layoffs that happen it's bizarre.
sad to see this happen, but it's typical of the world in 2014.
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As a fellow David, seeing this knee-jerk reaction to the mere mention of that name kinda frightens me.
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On January 25 2014 22:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:
no pro-gamer would want david kim's job
you get this information from where? Pro-gamers are VERY biased, you have to decide what to take seriously or not, also why do act like you know what David Kim thinks....
both of this is just bullshit. First of all I think a lot of progamers would love to transcend their progaming carreer into a game development/game design/game balance position and Blizzard is one of the best companies in the business.
and second progamers are biased when they are competing, or when they have just lost a game. Progamers however are also most of the time intelligent individuals, who can handle and regulate their emotions about the game they compete in, and put that in the right context. This is active progamers. Inactive progamers its almost not even an issue and obviously a progamer would have to retire to take a job like this lol.
p.s : I don't think david kim should be fired. As advocated in my blog post a while ago, I just wish the communication lines between the competing community and the people deciding about the game would be opened up and made transparent & visible. There's no outlet to post thoughts or have meaningfull discussion. I've sent emails to david kim and hes always been kind and responded but it's never actually lead anywhere. Blizz forums? You make a post and then it's forgotten. Same for TL.
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On January 26 2014 01:10 Liquid`Ret wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 22:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:
no pro-gamer would want david kim's job
you get this information from where? Pro-gamers are VERY biased, you have to decide what to take seriously or not, also why do act like you know what David Kim thinks.... both of this is just bullshit. First of all I think a lot of progamers would love to transcend their progaming carreer into a game development/game design/game balance position and Blizzard is one of the best companies in the business.
Yeah but would you actually want his job? not just being part of the balance team, he gets a ton of negative comments(not like pro-gamers don't) but it's on a larger scale to some degree due to being the front of the balance team, I guess pro-gamers might be more pre-pared for that type of feedback though :D
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On January 26 2014 01:24 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 01:10 Liquid`Ret wrote:On January 25 2014 22:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:
no pro-gamer would want david kim's job
you get this information from where? Pro-gamers are VERY biased, you have to decide what to take seriously or not, also why do act like you know what David Kim thinks.... both of this is just bullshit. First of all I think a lot of progamers would love to transcend their progaming carreer into a game development/game design/game balance position and Blizzard is one of the best companies in the business.
Yeah but would you actually want his job? not just being part of the balance team, he gets a ton of negative comments(not like pro-gamers don't) but it's on a larger scale to some degree due to being the front of the balance team, I guess pro-gamers might be more pre-pared for that type of feedback though :D
A baker will get a lot of negative comments if he makes bad bread.
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On January 26 2014 01:37 Karpfen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2014 01:24 NovemberstOrm wrote:On January 26 2014 01:10 Liquid`Ret wrote:On January 25 2014 22:20 NovemberstOrm wrote:
no pro-gamer would want david kim's job
you get this information from where? Pro-gamers are VERY biased, you have to decide what to take seriously or not, also why do act like you know what David Kim thinks.... both of this is just bullshit. First of all I think a lot of progamers would love to transcend their progaming carreer into a game development/game design/game balance position and Blizzard is one of the best companies in the business.
Yeah but would you actually want his job? not just being part of the balance team, he gets a ton of negative comments(not like pro-gamers don't) but it's on a larger scale to some degree due to being the front of the balance team, I guess pro-gamers might be more pre-pared for that type of feedback though :D A baker will get a lot of negative comments if he makes bad bread.
different levels of negative comments though.
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Maybe it's because I don't play other Blizzard properties besides Starcraft, but it didn't seem like they were doing anything with the IPL employees. What kind of differences are we really going to notice if they are let go?
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On January 25 2014 21:22 quebecman77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 16:58 saddaromma wrote:On January 25 2014 16:35 Kergy wrote:
fired the wrong david -_-
User was warned for this post Any owner of SC2 game reserves a right to be unhappy with the product's support and to be vocal about it. Whats wrong with wanting someone to get fired? its just an opinion of one individual that person in charge doesn't fit the job. However outright bashing, smth like "DK is a stupid fuck, and turned starcraft 2 into a shit" is ofc too far since its personal. plz keep in note i have also read the other comments about losing a job ( yeah it suck but some time you are not the person qualified for the job so you should not have it anymore ) and i will say it here : THEY FIRED THE WRONG DAVID and that my right to say it, he make me waste year of my life,i have enter this bullshit progamer world and wasted my time because this game was stupid enough for never fix terran.... he can find one other job or anything he not qualified for the job he got. and im fealing they are nothing wrong with saying what the first poster say. i was about to reinstall sc2 if they did fired the other guy....that how im fealing about his balancing.... User was warned for this post
You chose to dedicate your life to an "imbalanced" game and have the audacity to blame that wasted year on the game's balance tester?
Good god you must be one immature, whiny, stupid fuck.
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