Axiom-Acer Partnership Ends - Page 5

On January 04 2014 12:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:


This guy gets it

On January 04 2014 10:45 Goibon wrote:

I definitely think Scarlett and that shit talker guy, but that's because i focus on players, like one should, and when it comes to foreign teams recruiting Koreans it always feels like they're token Koreans to gain legitimacy/results. That sounds harsh i don't intend it to be so, but it's a common if not standard thing. Every team has them. Liquid Hero/Taeja, EG with all theirs, Acer's Bogus/MMA, Mouz.Dear, SK.MC, the list probably goes on but i'm not playing that game i quit it's too hard. Point is these are foreign teams bolstering their stocks with strong Koreans.

Axiom by contrast was always created as a Korean team. Look at the roster, there was no bolstering. Watch the original interviews and listen to the words and intent of the owners from day one. It's clear as the day what this team was created as. But if you want to be super crude, like most seem to want to when saying 'Axiom = TB = Foreign', then it's just as easily 'SlayerS + new owner'. If replacing Boxer with The Bains is enough to convert a team's entire being from Korean to Foreign - if all it takes for people to ignore context is to have a really loud and visible mouthpiece, then that's, i dunno. That's just such a simplistic way of viewing things, i can't even slow down my brain to comprehend that. It's a label, it's form over substance.

It's understandable though that people don't pay any attention to Axiom and instead focus on TB. Shit, i don't pay any attention to other teams, so i'm not gonna act like i know anything about them. TB is pretty loud and difficult to ignore, i imagine. But we should be talking about a team here, not one man. I thought we, wise esports consumers who don't overreact to things at all, were meant to be smarter than that.

edit: sick clarification edit sorry plz dont hurt me

On January 04 2014 14:48 ETisME wrote:
can't we just call axiom foreign owned korean team

On January 04 2014 16:05 Kheve wrote:
As I recall Kespa had an open invitation to all teams to join them. They waived many prior conditions/rules that existed from BW era.

Since Axiom already have a teamhouse that could accomodate acer as well, wouldnt it have made sense to just apply to join kespa+proleague? After all the facilities already exists due to AxiomAcer, why not go a step further. Surely it cant be all that different in costs/logistics/etc etc between proleague and gstl.

Maybe then, the remaining teams like startale azubu etc etc might band together and join proleague as well. Then we can have a 10 team proleague!!!!

On January 04 2014 15:39 Plansix wrote:

That would be to simple and easy. I think we should argue about it for at least 10 more pages and complain about TB supporting the players we enjoy and being cynical, snarky Brit.

On January 04 2014 16:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:


Why do you think we'd want to play Proleague or join KeSPA? Did people suddenly forget years of questionable practice just because they got some shiny new graphics and more agreeable commentators for Proleague? We don't want to play Proleague right now because if you do you're basically stuck in Korea for half a year. You can't go and play WCS in another region if you have a small roster because KeSPA will not schedule around you, you have to stay there and play your matches. Axiom-Acer has a total of 4 of its 7 players competing in other regions WCS at the moment. It is entirely different in terms of logistics. It makes no business sense to play in Proleague and since right now our players agreed they didn't want to participate this season, we certainly won't force them.

On January 04 2014 16:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:


Why do you think we'd want to play Proleague or join KeSPA? Did people suddenly forget years of questionable practice just because they got some shiny new graphics and more agreeable commentators for Proleague? We don't want to play Proleague right now because if you do you're basically stuck in Korea for half a year. You can't go and play WCS in another region if you have a small roster because KeSPA will not schedule around you, you have to stay there and play your matches. Axiom-Acer has a total of 4 of its 7 players competing in other regions WCS at the moment. It is entirely different in terms of logistics. It makes no business sense to play in Proleague and since right now our players agreed they didn't want to participate this season, we certainly won't force them.

On January 04 2014 16:20 TAMinator wrote:

For some reason I find your statement sarcastic and quite frankly, insulting to my intelligence! Let's type more passive aggressive posts in order to continue this cycle of egotistical warfare.

On January 04 2014 23:09 dr.fahrenheit wrote:


This is getting ridiculous, how are you supposed to have a discussion if everyone gets immediately offended over every little thing and starts crying like a little child. Seriously grow some balls or if you are too sensitive cry somewhere else about this mean sarcastic, passive aggressive world…

On January 04 2014 03:56 GumBa wrote:
Was great while it lasted :D Hope Acer partners with a kespa team and Inno and MMA can play in PL

On January 04 2014 22:20 StarStruck wrote:


At first I thought you missed the point I was driving home and after reading this post it sounds like you understand what I was saying but willingly chose to dance around the idea entirely. This was one of the main features of what I wrote when it comes down to players choosing teams to go to. Right now, there really is no downside to joining Western teams because there is still a lot more freedom. You spin-doctored what I said lol.

Now then, let's go back to your original response. You brought up the ATC and I believe you said you guys won because you had the most well-rounded roster, but probably not the best players. What? Look at the bloody format. Where I come from well-rounded means you're only as good as your weakest player yet in the ATC it doesn't really matter if you lose because you can just field them again regardless of the result. The format doesn't really highlight that trait compared to all the other team leagues.

As for the GSTL. While the format has gotten a bit better over time we've only gotten to the point of a round of robin play and then playoffs. Flash in the pan. They just decided to drag it out more and the turn over just got ridiculous at that point. 6 different teams have won a tournament (I'm just going to call the GSTL a tournament rather than a league because that's what the format really illustrates) out of ten tournaments. That's quite a few don't you think? Cutos to IM for taking three & SlayerS and FXO for taking two respectfully.

No matter how open it is, KeSPA might still require at least stability imo. It reads Korean funded organization with preferably more than one game (hi LoL), vision for development and commitment to the league. That would hopefully rule out foreign owned team (or whatever you want to call it), partnertships or anything sketchy. These things are just not healthy for KeSPA/Proleague in general. No offense btw.

On January 04 2014 10:07 TotalBiscuit wrote:


What does WCS have to do with it? Aside from the obvious that we don't really wanna do Proleague because it would interfere with playing in WCS, WCS is not the reason GSTL went tits up.

On January 04 2014 03:54 Shellshock wrote:
That's too bad but it's not surprising with no GSTL. I wonder where Scarlett is going to live to practice in 2014