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WCS/Ladder 2014 Season 1 maps

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juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3812 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-06 14:42:15
December 05 2013 20:07 GMT
#1
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/8882728582
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/10787138839

We've been working together with our partners on this area, and would like to get your feedback before finalizing the details.

The main goals are:

1. We'd like to have a bigger map diversity.

We know some players and pros don't like the idea of map diversity because it's difficult to learn new strategies on different maps, but we strongly believe that this creates a better experience in both keeping the game feeling fresh as well as fun to watch.

2. More maps rotated out per season in 2014, especially in the first season.

Because it's a new year, we'd like to bring in 4 new maps so that over half of the maps in the pool are fresh. Also, because each season will be much longer in 2014, we definitely would like to swap out more than 2 maps per season. Either 3 or 4 new maps per season is what we're currently thinking depending on how Season 1 goes.

Here are our detailed thought processes that we're currently in discussions with our tournament partners on.

Map Cuts:
  • + Show Spoiler [Belshir, Whirlwind, and Akilon] +
    Bel'Shir Vestige
    [image loading]

    Whirlwind
    [image loading]

    Akilon Wastes
    [image loading]
    are cut due to them being in the map pool for so long.
  • + Show Spoiler [Star Station] +
    [image loading]
    for a similar reason. Trying out the 2 player version was fun, but the map itself isn't really all that different from the original map.
  • + Show Spoiler [Derelict Watcher] +
    [image loading]
    as the last cut. It was a toss up between Derelict Watcher and Polar Night, but because Derelict is the older map, we're thinking this might just be the better map to cut.
Map Adds:
  • + Show Spoiler [Alterzim Stronghold] +
    [image loading]
    - this is the largest map we've had and plays very different from the others in the pool. We're finding that this map is good in the current ladder season and would like to at least try it for an official season as well.
  • + Show Spoiler [Habitation Station] +
    [image loading]
    - We also watched all of the Red Bull games, coordinated with Team Liquid, and realized this was the clear best map among those in the map contest. The way the high yield expansion plays in this map is very unique and different.
  • New GSL map - GSL is currently working on two new maps, and we're currently in the process of bringing one of them in here. This will be the only truly standard map of the 4 new maps going in.
  • New rush map - We also would like to try a rush map in a slightly different fashion than before. Our goal here is to create a map where the main to main distance is standard, nat to nat is only very slightly shorter, but due to it being really open, aggression is preferred. The map as a whole feels fairly standard but the action just happens much faster.
The new map pool will be:
  • + Show Spoiler [Alterzim Stronghold] +
    [image loading]

  • + Show Spoiler [Frost] +
    [image loading]

  • + Show Spoiler [Habitation Station] +
    [image loading]

  • + Show Spoiler [Polar Night] +
    [image loading]

  • + Show Spoiler [Yeonsu] +
    [image loading]

  • "GSL map"
  • "Rush map"
As you can see, not all the maps are prepared yet and are in progress, but we just thought it's important to share our thoughts with all of you as soon as possible for initial feedback on our direction, as well as to keep you posted on what's coming soon in this area. Thank you~


Poll: First Impressions of Map Pool Removals

Approve (343)
 
72%

Disapprove (102)
 
21%

Neutral (34)
 
7%

479 total votes

Your vote: First Impressions of Map Pool Removals

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Poll: First Impressions of the Addition of Alterzim Stronghold?

Disapprove (409)
 
71%

Approve (119)
 
21%

Neutral (45)
 
8%

573 total votes

Your vote: First Impressions of the Addition of Alterzim Stronghold?

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(Vote): Neutral


Poll: First Impressions of the Addition of Habitation Station?

Approve (297)
 
73%

Disapprove (71)
 
17%

Neutral (38)
 
9%

406 total votes

Your vote: First Impressions of the Addition of Habitation Station?

(Vote): Approve
(Vote): Disapprove
(Vote): Neutral


Poll: Overall Impressions of the New Map Pool?

Approve (230)
 
55%

Disapprove (102)
 
25%

Neutral (84)
 
20%

416 total votes

Your vote: Overall Impressions of the New Map Pool?

(Vote): Approve
(Vote): Disapprove
(Vote): Neutral

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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14190 Posts
December 05 2013 20:09 GMT
#2
Oh, no more Derelict Watcher !
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada15958 Posts
December 05 2013 20:10 GMT
#3
:o nice
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7823 Posts
December 05 2013 20:13 GMT
#4
SAYONARA BEL'SHIR AND AKILON

Won't miss them at all
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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 20:16:18
December 05 2013 20:13 GMT
#5
Habitation Station, sweet!

Looking forward to the "variety", I hope they take community maps into consideration for the "rush map".
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17382 Posts
December 05 2013 20:13 GMT
#6
Should be interesting I approve of 3 or 4 maps a season.
When I think of something else, something will go here
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 20:17:30
December 05 2013 20:14 GMT
#7
Aw, I wish they would actually expand the map pool.

They are removing 5 but only adding 4? O_O
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States95884 Posts
December 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#8
Bel'Shir and Akilon really needed to be retired. Definitely good moves by Blizzard rotating the map pool more.
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herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Finland1942 Posts
December 05 2013 20:15 GMT
#9
How about you cut the utter turd first that goes by the name of Alterzim Stronghold. Changes in the map pool are welcome but please implement maps made by mapmakers, not blizzard.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 20:18:38
December 05 2013 20:16 GMT
#10
This would be the new mappool:

Frost
Yeonsu
Habitation Station
Alterzim Stronghold
"GSL map"
"rush map"
Polar Night
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6507 Posts
December 05 2013 20:18 GMT
#11
Nice cuts. But not a fan of Alterzim. Also wish we got New Polaris Rapsody.
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1285 Posts
December 05 2013 20:19 GMT
#12
On December 06 2013 05:16 NovaMB wrote:
This would be the new mappool:

Frost
Yeonsu
Habitation Station
Alterzim Stronghold
"GSL map"
"rush map"
Polar Night

not too fond of polar night or frost....srsly though i thought star station is a great macro map
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DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2027 Posts
December 05 2013 20:22 GMT
#13
I would like 4 new GSL maps because they make the best maps for SC2.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1595 Posts
December 05 2013 20:22 GMT
#14
Bad maps:

Derelict watcher

Alterzim Stronghold

Habitation Station

tili
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1317 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-05 20:26:31
December 05 2013 20:23 GMT
#15
Hell yes.

This is amazing. Akilon was mind numbing, and the idea of more non-turtle maps makes me so happy :D

Life shall dominate on aggro maps ^^

Edit:
@ OP/Juicyjames: I think litcher asked to not re-post the polls, since they allow voting after the round is over - potentially producing contradictory results afterward.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6041 Posts
December 05 2013 20:23 GMT
#16
On December 06 2013 05:18 ZAiNs wrote:
Nice cuts. But not a fan of Alterzim. Also wish we got New Polaris Rapsody.

Haven't seen that many games on it but the games I've seen never led to anything nice.
DiMano
Profile Joined July 2011
Korea (South)2027 Posts
December 05 2013 20:24 GMT
#17
On December 06 2013 05:23 tili wrote:
Hell yes.

This is amazing. Akilon was mind numbing, and the idea of more non-turtle maps makes me so happy :D

Life shall dominate on aggro maps ^^

Look at Newkirk Precinct it is a free win for any terran so any rush map is bad for Z and P.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3547 Posts
December 05 2013 20:24 GMT
#18
I'm ok with it however I'd rather see both gsl maps and blizzard not making maps. Arguably the best maps they ever made are entombed and antiga. Both are god awful. Please stop making maps blizzard, atleast I got vetos for those, however pro gamers can't just veto the shit you force on us.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6069 Posts
December 05 2013 20:25 GMT
#19
I hate Yeonsu, and Alterzim can be really gay at times T_T I don't like Polar either.

I think habitation could get really difficult,so depending on the other maps I think I'm gonna hate this map pool quite a lot
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prOpSnuffe
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden241 Posts
December 05 2013 20:26 GMT
#20
Alterzim Stronghold is the worst map ever made, I hate it
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