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NovemberstOrm
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looknohands119
United States815 Posts
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NbSky
Canada1023 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Pierrot
Canada53 Posts
On December 02 2013 03:50 NbSky wrote: never hurts to sponsor a good looking girl haha, imagine how many people replayed the clip just to see those legs and smile haha You are fucking disgusting. More importantly though, congratulations MaddeLisk! =) | ||
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McRatyn
Poland901 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 02 2013 03:53 Pierrot wrote: You are fucking disgusting. More importantly though, congratulations MaddeLisk! =) that escalated quickly. On December 02 2013 03:56 McRatyn wrote: Cool! Is this while still on Mill or more akin to CMStorm_Polt thingy? still on mill, shes wearing their jacket in the video | ||
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
On December 02 2013 03:50 NbSky wrote: never hurts to sponsor a good looking girl haha, imagine how many people replayed the clip just to see those legs and smile haha Thanks, I wouldn't have watched the video if not for this post. | ||
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Durmaz21
Sweden52 Posts
On December 02 2013 03:52 ReachTheSky wrote: congratz! I can't help but feel that there are so many other pro gamers out there that are more deserving of this that post results. None the less, congratz! hey, she has tits and is midmaster i guess in sc2. apparently that's enough to get sponsored. gratz! User was warned for this post | ||
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iMOOrtal
Canada144 Posts
Gratz, earned. | ||
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NbSky
Canada1023 Posts
On December 02 2013 03:53 Pierrot wrote: You are fucking disgusting. More importantly though, congratulations MaddeLisk! =) You must not have hit puberty yet lol | ||
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
To degrade a woman like that is unacceptable. That kind of treatment reminds me of what this woman goes through. Treat the woman for the work she does not how she looks. If I remember correctly, Maddelisk has been in the scene for a very long time, so she deserve some respect. | ||
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BillGates
471 Posts
congratz to her and more ppl need sponsorship as well. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 02 2013 03:52 ReachTheSky wrote: congratz! I can't help but feel that there are so many other pro gamers out there that are more deserving of this that post results. None the less, congratz! Well in terms of results obviously, but since it's about the exposure and maddelisk has done a pretty good job putting herself out there with the showmatches and casting and all that junk. | ||
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HaRuHi
1220 Posts
On December 02 2013 06:13 hansonslee wrote: To degrade a woman like that is unacceptable. Treat the woman for the work she does not how she looks. If I remember correctly, Maddelisk has been in the scene for a very long time, so she deserve some respect. Well, we don`t see Grubby wearing skin tight trousers and an extra shot of his legs when promoting benq, do we? And I am not sure that you remember correctly, she is a math student no? She tried some tourneys and did not spectacular and they are easily a 100 people who did more for the community or are better players, or play for longer, but they are male. But when total Buiscuit makes a team to promote them people call them faceless koreans. It is a marketing descision for xmg. I am happy for maddelisk, good for her, but she is there because she has marketing value, and she got it because she is a mediocre female player, while even great male players don`t get personal sponsor ships, so yeah, I can see why people get frustrated when it becomes apparent that it is not a competition about skills but looks for most parts. | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On December 02 2013 06:13 hansonslee wrote: To degrade a woman like that is unacceptable. That kind of treatment reminds me of what this woman goes through. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRNt7ZLY0Kc&feature=share Treat the woman for the work she does not how she looks. If I remember correctly, Maddelisk has been in the scene for a very long time, so she deserve some respect. I may go full roumanian here, but if it's not a joke you make me speechless. I've no hate and this is said with no animosity but the only reason Maddelisk is getting a personal sponsoring is how she looks and that's even why she is in millenium in the first place. It's a good investment both for millenium and AMD because everybody knows her, she is cute and she does promote the brand and that's what a gamer job is. It's not so much to play the game, it's way more to promote the people paying you. And she does it well, but not by her starcraft skills alone (if not at all, she is good in female tournament I guess) obviously .... | ||
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
On December 02 2013 06:25 HaRuHi wrote: Well, we don`t see Grubby wearing skin tight trousers and an extra shot of his legs when promoting benq, do we? And I am not sure that you remember correctly, she is a math student no? She tried some tourneys and did not spectacular and they are easily a 100 people who did more for the community or are better players, or play for longer, but they are male. But when total Buiscuit makes a team to promote them people call them faceless koreans. It is a marketing descision for xmg. I am happy for maddelisk, good for her, but she is there because she has marketing value, and she got it because she is a mediocre female player, while even great male players don`t get personal sponsor ships, so yeah, I can see why people get frustrated when it becomes apparent that it is not a competition about skills but looks for most parts. Yeah, that's a very good point. I just think it's nice that women do get more exposure in the gaming world. I remember when Aphrodite was in the GSTL invitational, some people were complaining how there were other players who deserved to be on that spot. I know your school of thought is that women should be evaluated on the same standard as men, which is valid in certain scenarios (such as becoming a firefighter). For me, I think we should add a little bit more leeway for women in a male-dominated world, which can be disagreeable to some. When the playing field is leveled, then I believe we should have men and women on the same standard. Hope you can be understanding, if not agreeable, of my views. On December 02 2013 06:41 Philozovic wrote: I may go full roumanian here, but if it's not a joke you make me speechless. I've no hate and this is said with no animosity but the only reason Maddelisk is getting a personal sponsoring is how she looks and that's even why she is in millenium in the first place. It's a good investment both for millenium and AMD because everybody knows her, she is cute and she does promote the brand and that's what a gamer job is. It's not so much to play the game, it's way more to promote the people paying you. And she does it well, but not by her starcraft skills alone (if not at all, she is good in female tournament I guess) obviously .... No, it's okay. You aren't going full Romanian.  Sorry for sounding that harsh. It's just a very sensitive matter, and I do, sometimes, get disturbed by how women can be marginalized very easily. But what you say is agreeable, so that's the end of discussion on my part. I support women's rights, but I am not that hyper-feminist, which has been dominant lately. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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HaRuHi
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On December 02 2013 06:47 hansonslee wrote: Yeah, that's a very good point. I just think it's nice that women do get more exposure in the gaming world. I remember when Aphrodite was in the GSTL invitational, some people were complaining how there were other players who deserved to be on that spot. I know your school of thought is that women should be evaluated on the same standard as men, which is valid in certain scenarios (such as becoming a firefighter). For me, I think we should add a little bit more leeway for women in a male-dominated world, which can be disagreeable to some. When the playing field is leveled, then I believe we should have men and women on the same standard. Hope you can be understanding, if not agreeable, of my views. I support women's rights, but I am not that hyper-feminist, which has been dominant lately. That actually is not my school of thought, but I found it ridiculuos that people call someone disgusting in this thread because they complement her on her legs and I just wanted to spill some seeds that might sproud common sense. My school of thought is: we are a species with 2 different genders, they posess a specialized physiology for different tasks, down to the way our brains are wired. So, great Legs Maddelisk and best of Luck in Sc2. I think the playing field is what it is, life is not fair and it is good for most of us that it isn`t. Most men surely can`t score a sponsorship because of their looks (except for snute/bisu ofcourse), but the majority of girls don`t get exposure to competitive gaming and have more social pressure to socialise. For me that is ok, I enjoy being part of this two gendered species, I sometimes don`t like that sc2 is too much about marketing, sure. I also don`t like it when people get all mad because I don`t look a girl into the personality first and when those people want to make us something we aren`t, a uni-gender species. | ||
Valiver
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
On December 02 2013 08:26 Valiver wrote: Wow any time any female gamer/community member gets any sort of recognition this debate comes up. MaddeLisk got this sponsorship because a sponsorship is a kind of investment. XMG and all other brands want to get their names out there and people with character and who do things for the community and have good viewer numbers get sponsored. That's just how it goes. If people watch her stream because she is a female so be it, who cares? People watch, so she gets sponsored. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that. It happens because sexism is a very political topic. You should learn to get used to it, although it would be nice if people didn't get too anal about it. On December 02 2013 07:58 HaRuHi wrote: That actually is not my school of thought, but I found it ridiculuos that people call someone disgusting in this thread because they complement her on her legs and I just wanted to spill some seeds that might sproud common sense. My school of thought is: we are a species with 2 different genders, they posess a specialized physiology for different tasks, down to the way our brains are wired. So, great Legs Maddelisk and best of Luck in Sc2. I think the playing field is what it is, life is not fair and it is good for most of us that it isn`t. Most men surely can`t score a sponsorship because of their looks (except for snute/bisu ofcourse), but the majority of girls don`t get exposure to competitive gaming and have more social pressure to socialise. For me that is ok, I enjoy being part of this two gendered species, I sometimes don`t like that sc2 is too much about marketing, sure. I also don`t like it when people get all mad because I don`t look a girl into the personality first and when those people want to make us something we aren`t, a uni-gender species. Yeah, I hear ya, and I definitely agree that there is nothing wrong with being a two gender species (unless we can to be more politically correct and consider transgender as the third gender). | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
That droning apm. | ||
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SolidSMD
Belgium408 Posts
I'm a protoss player and one of the streams that I watch most is destiny, not because he's good, but because he's funny and has a lot of charisma. If it wouldn't be for his bad pr bm sometimes, he would probably get sponsorship's as well, even if he is far from being the best. Just be happy for Maddelisk, seriously. Some people... | ||
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Caladan
Germany1238 Posts
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On December 02 2013 08:37 SolidSMD wrote: God, so much QQ. She has charisma and is good looking, why must there always be this 'she doesn't deserve this', 'don't treat her different because she's a woman' etc... I'm a protoss player and one of the streams that I watch most is destiny, not because he's good, but because he's funny and has a lot of charisma. If it wouldn't be for his bad pr bm sometimes, he would probably get sponsorship's as well, even if he is far from being the best. Just be happy for Maddelisk, seriously. Some people... You may want to support someone based on their entertainment or marketability factor, which is a choice totally up to you, and XMG as we have seen here. However, I would much rather opt to improving the living for the people this competitive scene is built upon, namely, the 'real' competitors. I could say a lot more but I'll stop myself at that. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On December 02 2013 06:25 HaRuHi wrote: Well, we don`t see Grubby wearing skin tight trousers and an extra shot of his legs when promoting benq, do we? And I am not sure that you remember correctly, she is a math student no? She tried some tourneys and did not spectacular and they are easily a 100 people who did more for the community or are better players, or play for longer, but they are male. But when total Buiscuit makes a team to promote them people call them faceless koreans. It is a marketing descision for xmg. I am happy for maddelisk, good for her, but she is there because she has marketing value, and she got it because she is a mediocre female player, while even great male players don`t get personal sponsor ships, so yeah, I can see why people get frustrated when it becomes apparent that it is not a competition about skills but looks for most parts. so is it frustrating that husky is a huge hit in the community as a diamond protoss who casts games spouting silly catchphrases? should he be denied money, pay, sponsorships etc. because his popularity "isn't about the skill"? if people are interested in a player, that player will be profitable, and there's absolutely nothing "unfair" about that. what difference does it make if they're 90% caster and 10% player like husky or 100% player or 50% player and 50% community leader or whatever? incontrol is popular as a bottom tier pro gamer but a top tier host and personality. lot of people consider innovation "boring" even though he's a god tier player, which reduces his marketablility because people aren't as interested in him as they are in other players. is this "unfair"? no. it's audience preference. here are the reasons i'm interested in a female masters player more than some no name male grandmaster player: there are few women in the scene not because women are inherently bad at starcraft, but because fewer women identify with esports/gaming as something they want to involve themselves in. if a masters female player gets a sponsorship and becomes visible to a lot of girls who may not have otherwise been interested, that increases the community, increases the skill pool, and makes progress away from the sexist cesspit that is gaming culture. if i were a woman, i wouldn't want to fight to involve myself in a community that makes me feel unwelcome and doesn't take me seriously. why should women be fighting to make it into a scene that doesn't welcome them? WE should be fighting to INVITE them so the game grows and becomes a more civilized community On December 02 2013 08:49 Caladan wrote: You could say that this sponsorship is a bit sexist in itself, because there are like a thousand sc2 gamers that are better than her but the difference is only male/female. Actually that's the exact definition of sexism. But whatever, I don't care. Still happy for her, congratz! there are fewer women BECAUSE of sexism, making efforts to introduce women is not sexist, it's counteracting the sexism that's already tehre. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On December 02 2013 08:55 -Kyo- wrote: You may want to support someone based on their entertainment or marketability factor, which is a choice totally up to you, and XMG as we have seen here. However, I would much rather opt to improving the living for the people this competitive scene is built upon, namely, the 'real' competitors. I could say a lot more but I'll stop myself at that. you realize of course that without the entertainment and community side of the game, there won't BE a scene, so the competitive pool won't matter because it won't exist? SC2 isn't just about flicking your fingers around for most people, it's about running jokes, tasteless and artosis, arguments over korean invasions, show matches, balance whining, etc. etc. etc. people come to the community to have a good time, we're not just a bunch of indigo children fighting to raise our APMs over 9000 yes, obviously there are two sides to the coin and people differ in what they want out of the scene. but it seems ridiculous for you to just handwave away the idea of anyone ever succeeding without being the absolute best player in the world who hasn't been sponsored yet. | ||
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Grouch
Canada152 Posts
Yeah, I hear ya, and I definitely agree that there is nothing wrong with being a two gender species (unless we can to be more politically correct and consider transgender as the third gender). Politically correct? I highly doubt that a trans person would want to be separately labeled aside from the male and female genders, the whole point is to become the opposite gender for whatever reasons they have and to associate with it. Not to be outcast and labeled as different. | ||
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HaRuHi
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Fleshcut
Germany592 Posts
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figq
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
On December 02 2013 09:02 Waise wrote: you realize of course that without the entertainment and community side of the game, there won't BE a scene, so the competitive pool won't matter because it won't exist? SC2 isn't just about flicking your fingers around for most people, it's about running jokes, tasteless and artosis, arguments over korean invasions, show matches, balance whining, etc. etc. etc. people come to the community to have a good time, we're not just a bunch of indigo children fighting to raise our APMs over 9000 yes, obviously there are two sides to the coin and people differ in what they want out of the scene. but it seems ridiculous for you to just handwave away the idea of anyone ever succeeding without being the absolute best player in the world who hasn't been sponsored yet. Did you read my post for what it contained? Apparently not, because I never waved away anything about the entertainment factor in the scene. I simply said I would first and foremost provide to the players rather than those who entertain because I see greater benefits for the scene. I readily admitted that companies like XMG have their own goals in the first sentence. If you cannot reply to what someone has posted why bother typing two hilariously misguided paragraphs? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Good for her, we need more girls in the scene and playing the game. Girls are dope. You heard it here first. | ||
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Philozovic
France1677 Posts
On December 02 2013 09:19 Plansix wrote: Girls are dope. You heard it here first. I think it's not the first time I heard about it, I may be wrong though | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
gl =) | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
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Waise
3165 Posts
On December 02 2013 09:13 -Kyo- wrote: Did you read my post for what it contained? Apparently not, because I never waved away anything about the entertainment factor in the scene. I simply said I would first and foremost provide to the players rather than those who entertain because I see greater benefits for the scene. I readily admitted that companies like XMG have their own goals in the first sentence. If you cannot reply to what someone has posted why bother typing two hilariously misguided paragraphs? lol, no need to get defensive. not every post is an accusation against you. i was advancing the discussion by adding another thought to the topic. think you need to relax kid and use your brain before you try to start schoolyard arguments | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
w/e congrats Maddelisk, good move by XMG! | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On December 02 2013 06:25 HaRuHi wrote:she got it because she is a mediocre female player Actually she is one of the best female player :  IeSF 2013 World Championship/Main Tournament. But I doubt you care about that given your argumentation. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10705 Posts
On December 02 2013 09:19 Plansix wrote: Girls are dope. You heard it here first. TRUTH . Open the flood gates for more females to help StarCraft grow... guys just scared that a girl is going to take there spot lol ; | ||
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SolidSMD
Belgium408 Posts
On December 02 2013 08:55 -Kyo- wrote: You may want to support someone based on their entertainment or marketability factor, which is a choice totally up to you, and XMG as we have seen here. However, I would much rather opt to improving the living for the people this competitive scene is built upon, namely, the 'real' competitors. I could say a lot more but I'll stop myself at that. I understand you fully, but a company doesn't sponsor someone because he's/she's the best, they sponsor him/her because people are interested in him/her. This game needs semi-pro people to advertise this game, because the real pro's don't have time for that shit, they grind their asses off. These semi-pro people are actually doing more for the game + community than most pro's, thus indirectly supporting the pro's (more viewers => more tournaments/bigger price pools). If you want your brand to get advertised you don't choose some introvert nerd, you pick the ones with charisma. But nobody stops you to sponsor the 'real' competitors. Just don't bitch about the choices some company's make, be glad they actually care to sponsor the scene at all. I do understand your frustration however, this is a phenomenon that appears everywhere, being good at something is not enough to profit from it. Look at a top tier pianist vs some random dude playing the keyboard in a popular popband, this guy is a noob compared to the pianist, yet he probably earns better with less effort. A part of the problem lies in the fact that 95% people that have little to no knowledge of something will not notice the difference between someone good and an expert, so they look up the person they like the best. | ||
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HaRuHi
1220 Posts
On December 02 2013 09:44 Otolia wrote: Actually she is one of the best female player : IeSF 2013 World Championship/Main Tournament. But I doubt you care about that given your argumentation.Sorry, It was not to divide players to either female or male. I wanted to say she is a mediocre player, but female, which should be clear within the context of my original post. In categories of male and female players, she is a top female player^^. edit: Actually my original post is quite confusing. great male players of course also have no problem to get sponsorships, while male players way above her skilllevel have. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 02 2013 10:00 HaRuHi wrote: Sorry, It was not to divide players to either female or male. I wanted to say she is a mediocre player, but female, which should be clear within the context of my original post. In categories of male and female players, she is a top female player^^. edit: Actually my original post is quite confusing. great male players of course also have no problem to get sponsorships, while male players way above her skilllevel have. I am pretty sure the sponsors care if the player is male or female, just like they care about age, race and what language they speak. They also care about who the fans of that player are and if those fans will buy their products. Skill in SC2 only carry you so far when it comes to sponsors. | ||
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weikor
Austria580 Posts
I doubt we will ever see a solid female gaming community - it defenitly is wrong to treat people differently due to their sex. But.. sc2 sponsorahips aren't about skill - its all publicity. on that note - why wouldn't you give it to her. plenty of foreigners get sponsorships even though there's a list of better koreans. its just the yame thing congratulations to her | ||
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Y
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On December 02 2013 10:12 weikor wrote: i believe girls ARE inherently bad at competetive gaming. if things were equal we would have at least seen some bigger female community. im pretty sure guys work more obsessively in things like gaming, we also tend to be much more competetive than girls. i guess that has something to do with catching mammoth, then again i also think that im inherently bad at gaming, im simply to slow - to compete at higher levels. I doubt we will ever see a solid female gaming community - it defenitly is wrong to treat people differently due to their sex. But.. sc2 sponsorahips aren't about skill - its all publicity. on that note - why wouldn't you give it to her. plenty of foreigners get sponsorships even though there's a list of better koreans. its just the yame thing congratulations to her See, the bold part makes so much sense. Why did you have to preface it with that unfounded and unrelated rant in the first paragraph? | ||
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
On December 02 2013 10:12 weikor wrote: i believe girls ARE inherently bad at competetive gaming. if things were equal we would have at least seen some bigger female community. im pretty sure guys work more obsessively in things like gaming, we also tend to be much more competetive than girls. i guess that has something to do with catching mammoth, then again i also think that im inherently bad at gaming, im simply to slow - to compete at higher levels. I doubt we will ever see a solid female gaming community - it defenitly is wrong to treat people differently due to their sex. But.. sc2 sponsorahips aren't about skill - its all publicity. on that note - why wouldn't you give it to her. plenty of foreigners get sponsorships even though there's a list of better koreans. its just the yame thing congratulations to her Do you have an official scientific sources that show girls ARE inherently bad at competitive gaming, if all things are equal? Guess what? Not everything is equal because we see more guys into gaming than girls are. Also, we don't see as many girl to sprout any powerful talents that would make guys cry. Also, guys are more competitive than girls? Are you joking? There was a behavioral study on how competitive girls can be especially against each other! Your arguments on the first paragraph, at this point, are unfortunately completely baseless. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
That said, I'd rather it be easy for them than have it be like WCS for foreigners. No sense in playing at all. No logic behind it whatsoever. More of a demographic playing is always better than less. This girls thing should be a fact of life by now. Whether you accept it or not, not like it will ever change. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
She's marketable because she's a girl. Incontrol stayed on EG even when he wasn't a top level player and before becoming a "pure" caster/host because he was marketable. He had a marketable personality etc. Sure, the reason she's marketable is because she's a girl, but there are other people who are marketable for reasons beyond skill as well and have been kept around on teams. You could argue (picking on EG here) that someone like Demuslim doesn't deserve to be on a top team because he's had zero results for years, while other teamless/etc players are much better. But Demuslim is marketable, so he stays on the team as he brings a return. Rather than discussing the fact that Maddelisk is marketable due to being a girl, and saying other players are more deserving, why not pick on those say other "more deserving" players for not being as marketable as people like Incontrol/Maddelisk/Demuslim? The people who don't get sponsored despite being "better" are just as undeserving as Maddelisk, because while they have more skill, they lack in other areas. Sponsors want a return, and they feel Maddelisk will give them one. Get your favourite deserving player to improve his return to sponsors and that person might get some too. | ||
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NbSky
Canada1023 Posts
Second of all, it was a joke. No need to get your panties in a bunch. Third, people who deserve sponsorships will get it, she does a great job at putting herself out there, she obviously works hard, is educated and drew enough attention to get it. Good for her. You don't always need to be the best at something to get a sponsorship. You just have to have the right attitude and be a good role model for the company, which I'm sure she does. Though being a female, a good looking one I'm sure is a win for the company as well. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On December 02 2013 11:13 Lonyo wrote: She's sponsored because she's marketable. She's marketable because she's a girl. Incontrol stayed on EG even when he wasn't a top level player and before becoming a "pure" caster/host because he was marketable. He had a marketable personality etc. Sure, the reason she's marketable is because she's a girl, but there are other people who are marketable for reasons beyond skill as well and have been kept around on teams. You could argue (picking on EG here) that someone like Demuslim doesn't deserve to be on a top team because he's had zero results for years, while other teamless/etc players are much better. But Demuslim is marketable, so he stays on the team as he brings a return. Rather than discussing the fact that Maddelisk is marketable due to being a girl, and saying other players are more deserving, why not pick on those say other "more deserving" players for not being as marketable as people like Incontrol/Maddelisk/Demuslim? The people who don't get sponsored despite being "better" are just as undeserving as Maddelisk, because while they have more skill, they lack in other areas. Sponsors want a return, and they feel Maddelisk will give them one. Get your favourite deserving player to improve his return to sponsors and that person might get some too. well its kinda the fact that incontrol, demuslim etc. are marketable because of their personality, their accent, humour etc. while for maddelisk its basically the count of her X-chromosomes i dunno, i dont like this pick up girls as publicity and never rly did but i suppose as long as it works it makes sense to do it | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On December 02 2013 12:24 teddyoojo wrote: well its kinda the fact that incontrol, demuslim etc. are marketable because of their personality, their accent, humour etc. while for maddelisk its basically the count of her X-chromosomes i dunno, i dont like this pick up girls as publicity and never rly did but i suppose as long as it works it makes sense to do it So being marketable because of your accent is fine, but not your genes? Both are decided (pretty much) by your parents, and you don't make a decision about either for most of your early life. Plus, not every girl gets their own sponsorship, so it's not just because she's female, it's female and personality. Somehow that's worse than accent and personality? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436905 Here's a female focused tournament. How many of them have sponsorship, or how many have you even heard of? | ||
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On December 02 2013 12:37 Lonyo wrote: So being marketable because of your accent is fine, but not your genes? Both are decided (pretty much) by your parents, and you don't make a decision about either for most of your early life. Plus, not every girl gets their own sponsorship, so it's not just because she's female, it's female and personality. Somehow that's worse than accent and personality? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436905 Here's a female focused tournament. How many of them have sponsorship, or how many have you even heard of? i dunno maybe u can quote me where i said its accent alone also i heard prolly of half of them, more than of the guys from last whateverdays diamond cup | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On December 02 2013 08:26 Valiver wrote: Wow any time any female gamer/community member gets any sort of recognition this debate comes up. MaddeLisk got this sponsorship because a sponsorship is a kind of investment. XMG and all other brands want to get their names out there and people with character and who do things for the community and have good viewer numbers get sponsored. That's just how it goes. If people watch her stream because she is a female so be it, who cares? People watch, so she gets sponsored. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that. Just wanted to say I think this is a great post. | ||
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gg_hertzz
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00higgo
Australia119 Posts
On December 02 2013 06:47 hansonslee wrote: While you views are commendable, white knighting on every thread you enter will devalue the valid points you make, That's my take anyway. other than that i mostly agree with you.Yeah, that's a very good point. I just think it's nice that women do get more exposure in the gaming world. I remember when Aphrodite was in the GSTL invitational, some people were complaining how there were other players who deserved to be on that spot. I know your school of thought is that women should be evaluated on the same standard as men, which is valid in certain scenarios (such as becoming a firefighter). For me, I think we should add a little bit more leeway for women in a male-dominated world, which can be disagreeable to some. When the playing field is leveled, then I believe we should have men and women on the same standard. Hope you can be understanding, if not agreeable, of my views. No, it's okay. You aren't going full Romanian. Sorry for sounding that harsh. It's just a very sensitive matter, and I do, sometimes, get disturbed by how women can be marginalized very easily. But what you say is agreeable, so that's the end of discussion on my part. I support women's rights, but I am not that hyper-feminist, which has been dominant lately. | ||
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SuperHofmann
Italy1741 Posts
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Harajuku
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Krugessin
Sweden54 Posts
Much deserved for hard working skillful lady gaming, casting, looks, personality and general swedishness. Also will hopefully lure more girls into gaming so the gamer guys get improved odds of a proper gamer girlfriend. CON: Dammit, a zerg Also another reminder that there are plenty of female gamers that would squash me in the battlefield. Argh! CONCLUSION: Yaay! =) | ||
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