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On November 21 2013 08:45 Conti wrote:
As predicted: Every time Blizzard does something the first time, they fuck it up. And then, the second time around, they learn from their mistakes and do a much better job.
Nice.
Except as per usual: even their "fucked up" version is still pretty good. The Global Finals at blizzcon did not disappoint, (unless of course you're a Jaedong fanboy.)
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On November 21 2013 08:46 Nebuchad wrote:
Is there something that stops this system from being full korean in the long term, btw?
Like, let's say two koreans qualify from the ladder thingy, then they perform well enough to stay in Premier League, then next season two other koreans qualify from the ladder thingy, and so on?
This is going to reduce Korean participation in EU and NA because only 2 can qualify at a time. And if you don't qualify you get nothing. At some point it's better to just go back to KR and get at least SOME money from even a low place Code S finish.
Edit: But yes, it's technically possible for Premiere League to become all-Korean in all regions if this goes on with no changes for several years but I doubt that will happen.
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Yay no more season finals! Now future Soulkeys and Marus will get to keep their championship hype.
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On November 21 2013 08:46 Nebuchad wrote:
Is there something that stops this system from being full korean in the long term, btw?
Like, let's say two koreans qualify from the ladder thingy, then they perform well enough to stay in Premier League, then next season two other koreans qualify from the ladder thingy, and so on?
With only 3 seasons, that's 6 total koreans. It can't happen this year I don't think. I guess it depends how they carry over for 2014 to 2015 though.
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i don't mind these changes at all. I am happy there is no season finals so it should have more weekends for other tournaments..
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On November 21 2013 08:46 JP Dayne wrote:
I didn't understand shit about the region thing for America, can someone explain it to me?
I'm not sure if I'm dumb, the language barrier is acting like crazy, or if it's really confusing
so from what I got, there are 16 spots reserved as explained in the first column of the tabe (8,2,2,2,2). but reserved for what? the qualifier phase? or for the premier league?
and does that mean that there are only 2 spots ("ladder wildcard") reserved for the koreans?
Yes those spots are reserved to the qualifier phase and have nothing to do with challenger or premiere. And yes only 2 new koreans can qualify per season via the wildcards, but the koreans already in challenger/premiere can just defend their spot so you will still see Jaedong etc in AM most likely.
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yay, wcs 2014 looking up 
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On November 21 2013 08:47 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 08:46 Nebuchad wrote:
Is there something that stops this system from being full korean in the long term, btw?
Like, let's say two koreans qualify from the ladder thingy, then they perform well enough to stay in Premier League, then next season two other koreans qualify from the ladder thingy, and so on? This is going to reduce Korean participation in EU and NA because only 2 can qualify at a time. And if you don't qualify you get nothing. At some point it's better to just go back to KR and get at least SOME money from even a low place Code S finish.
Yeah I realize that, that's the reason why I don't like giving only two spots to ladder. I was just thinking ahead a bit.
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On November 21 2013 08:46 JP Dayne wrote:
I didn't understand shit about the region thing for America, can someone explain it to me?
I'm not sure if I'm dumb, the language barrier is acting like crazy, or if it's really confusing
so from what I got, there are 16 spots reserved as explained in the first column of the tabe (8,2,2,2,2). but reserved for what? the qualifier phase? or for the premier league?
and does that mean that there are only 2 spots ("ladder wildcard") reserved for the koreans?
From what I can see, yes. That's 2 Koreans getting to "challenge" a premier league player per season. Well, 2 "ladder wildcards". But we all know it's going to be 2 Koreans.
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If anyone is curious, here's the won to dollar conversion (rounded to the nearest dollar):
1st place: $66,236
2nd place: $14,193
3-4th place: $7,570
5-8th place: $3,785
9-16th place: $1,419
Code A: $622
Overall, great job on Blizzard's part. They surely understand the importance of balancing the meta game. I mean the eSports scene 
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On November 21 2013 08:47 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 08:46 Nebuchad wrote:
Is there something that stops this system from being full korean in the long term, btw?
Like, let's say two koreans qualify from the ladder thingy, then they perform well enough to stay in Premier League, then next season two other koreans qualify from the ladder thingy, and so on? With only 3 seasons, that's 6 total koreans. It can't happen this year I don't think. I guess it depends how they carry over for 2014 to 2015 though.
Would it be bad though? Let's say we have a majority of koreans playing in premier league, we still have 14 spots to fight for them each season, and if we do our job right as a community, those 14 spots will get all the hype they deserve.
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On November 21 2013 08:49 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 08:46 JP Dayne wrote:
I didn't understand shit about the region thing for America, can someone explain it to me?
I'm not sure if I'm dumb, the language barrier is acting like crazy, or if it's really confusing
so from what I got, there are 16 spots reserved as explained in the first column of the tabe (8,2,2,2,2). but reserved for what? the qualifier phase? or for the premier league?
and does that mean that there are only 2 spots ("ladder wildcard") reserved for the koreans? Yes those spots are reserved to the qualifier phase and have nothing to do with challenger or premiere. And yes only 2 new koreans can qualify per season via the wildcards, but the koreans already in challenger/premiere can just defend their spot so you will still see Jaedong etc in AM most likely.
No, those are challenger spots. There will be a quota for "new" players in Challenger League (players coming in from qualifiers as opposed to falling from Premier). So basically this means that only two "new" Koreans can enter EU and NA Challenger League each season.
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On November 21 2013 08:50 hansonslee wrote:
If anyone is curious, here's the won to dollar conversion (rounded to the nearest dollar):
1st place: $66,236
2nd place: $14,193
3-4th place: $7,570
5-8th place: $3,785
9-16th place: $1,419
Code A: $622
It's nice that they get 20k more, but I really don't get why they want it to be so top heavy. Well their choice.
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OGN remains a great partner for Blizzard and will move forward with producing broadcast content related to Hearthstone. They also retain the right to run both StarCraft and StarCraft II content. While nothing is currently planned, it is possible they could run a WCS Global Event if it meets the criteria laid out and they obtain a license for such an event.
Is this an implication that Brood War may return to the television screen (in the form of a variety show or something)?
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Looks mostly good, WCS NA will still be overrun with koreans to lazy or bad to play in korea though 
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On November 21 2013 08:51 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 08:49 Musicus wrote:On November 21 2013 08:46 JP Dayne wrote:
I didn't understand shit about the region thing for America, can someone explain it to me?
I'm not sure if I'm dumb, the language barrier is acting like crazy, or if it's really confusing
so from what I got, there are 16 spots reserved as explained in the first column of the tabe (8,2,2,2,2). but reserved for what? the qualifier phase? or for the premier league?
and does that mean that there are only 2 spots ("ladder wildcard") reserved for the koreans? Yes those spots are reserved to the qualifier phase and have nothing to do with challenger or premiere. And yes only 2 new koreans can qualify per season via the wildcards, but the koreans already in challenger/premiere can just defend their spot so you will still see Jaedong etc in AM most likely. No, those are challenger spots. There will be a quota for "new" players in Challenger League (players coming in from qualifiers as opposed to falling from Premier). So basically this means that only two "new" Koreans can enter EU and NA Challenger League each season.
Yes that's what I meant, it's the number of challenger spots available in the qualifier. Btw note that there are 4 wildcards in EU compared to the 2 in AM.
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On November 21 2013 08:52 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +OGN remains a great partner for Blizzard and will move forward with producing broadcast content related to Hearthstone. They also retain the right to run both StarCraft and StarCraft II content. While nothing is currently planned, it is possible they could run a WCS Global Event if it meets the criteria laid out and they obtain a license for such an event. Is this an implication that Brood War may return to the television screen (in the form of a variety show or something)?
Yes if OGN so desires.
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Its a nice idea but grandfathering in the region lock is basically going to mean they are never going to get knocked out since the level of competition is so much lower in those regions.
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On November 21 2013 08:51 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 08:50 hansonslee wrote:
If anyone is curious, here's the won to dollar conversion (rounded to the nearest dollar):
1st place: $66,236
2nd place: $14,193
3-4th place: $7,570
5-8th place: $3,785
9-16th place: $1,419
Code A: $622 It's nice that they get 20k more, but I really don't get why they want it to be so top heavy. Well their choice.
I am not 100% sure, but I think Korean living costs are different from Europe and NA.
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On November 21 2013 08:16 Die4Ever wrote:
I guess it's time for me to get to work.
Haha, yes! I'm sure your simulations will be awesome again next year.
Top marks to Blizzard. There are a few things I would like to see a little different (slightly less prize money in NA and EU, more in KR. Larger Challenger system incorporating more fresh blood and maybe 2 rounds instead of 1), but on the whole just excellent!
Please oh please make the qualifiers not a one-and-done deal. By that I mean, don't have the NA qualifiers be a one tournament deal where you have to be playing well that day to qualify. The Season 1 2013 NA qualifiers were the best imo. Multiple qualifier opportunities with a final double elimination qualifier to determine the slots. Would have also been nice to see some of the prize money be taken down and awarded into the qualifiers instead of each qualifier taking a cool $600. But that is a nice cash prize for whoever does ultimately qualify. Should make the qualifiers interesting to watch at least. Hopefully the schedule will be published early enough that all the top local players put it on their calendars and don't miss it.
EDIT: I just realized something. Think of challenger league as basically the first round of premier league and it's a perfect tournament really! You've got 16 seeds who get into the 2nd round, 16 slots in the 1st round from last season's tournament, and 16 qualifiers with the qualifiers getting $600! This is great!
Now players and viewers need to view the qualifiers this way so they are properly hyped. I thought the IEM and Red Bull qualifiers were just plain awesome, so hopefully they will model them in this way.
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