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There is No Best in the World - WCS Aftermath - Page 7

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Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
November 14 2013 12:00 GMT
#121
Dear is the best player in my eyes at the moment, a combination of winning two big tournaments lately and just looking really good while doing so. He barely lost to JD but that happens.

Anyway the formats of sc2 don't allow there to be a clear cut dominant player often. Koreans are the best by far and many of them only show themselves in code S/WCS korea and a few outside tournaments. sOs played fine all year but just lost relatively early in season 2 and 3 with some bad luck. Knockout formats where the individual games are so volatile is just not a great way to find the great players. There is too much variance introduced by the seeding and persons unluckily losing an early match. The best player in a starcraft knockout tournament like sc2 is still quite likely to just lose in the first round since it looks to be the type of game where the skills are close enough that the best player is only favored like 75:25 against the worst in code S. Especially increased by the fact the first games are just bo3. Not even mentioning there are maps which can just screw out a player sometimes, for example I recall sOs getting really bad maps in the OSL for his matchups.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
November 14 2013 12:01 GMT
#122
I still can't believe sOs won. I was really hoping Bomber was gonna take this Blizzcon. The article makes a very good point though at least for me, it is a bit strange to not really have anyone who is truly dominant on the scene right now.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
November 14 2013 12:03 GMT
#123
None of these players can be judged the best until they show dominsting form for at least another year. I hate to bring up the b word but the bonjwas of bw didnt earn their titles by winning just a couple of tournaments. The only players who have really showed consistent dominating form so far in sc2 are mvp and mc. Maybe with the fractured regional scene we have now in sc2 it will never happen. Still if say sos can say win global finals again next year plus at least three other major tournaments it would be hard to deny him.
Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
November 14 2013 12:07 GMT
#124
dear is the best player right now, sos is creative, JD is consistent, maru had sparks of brilliance and plays the best boxed series, part time polt had a very very strong years, MMA is back, bomber is bomber, innovation was a god at the start of hots and looks now mortal, mvp will not recover this time i feel, soulkey is somehow like JD in top notch zerg play aswell as his chokes, taeja and hero had a decent year aswell but nothing outstanding

there is def no best player this year
the title is shared between JD, dear, innovation, maru, soulkey and s0s
LastManProductions
Profile Joined September 2013
United States252 Posts
November 14 2013 12:20 GMT
#125
This is bad for starcraft, the fact that the game is to volatile for someone to rise above the rest. But its pretty rare for a player to dominate from season to season.
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matthy
Profile Joined January 2013
66 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 12:30:06
November 14 2013 12:27 GMT
#126
come on TL wtf is wrong with you.
it stands on SPOILER FREE. and i see the guy with the trophy in his hand and below who won.
What else can't you spoile the score???
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 14 2013 12:31 GMT
#127
On November 14 2013 21:27 matthy wrote:
come on TL wtf is wrong with you.
it stands on SPOILER FREE. and i see the guy with the trophy in his hand and below who won.
What else can't you spoile the score???

Why would you go to the TL front page if you don't want to be spoiled? That's silly
AdministratorBreak the chains
matthy
Profile Joined January 2013
66 Posts
November 14 2013 12:42 GMT
#128
On November 14 2013 21:31 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 21:27 matthy wrote:
come on TL wtf is wrong with you.
it stands on SPOILER FREE. and i see the guy with the trophy in his hand and below who won.
What else can't you spoile the score???

Why would you go to the TL front page if you don't want to be spoiled? That's silly


by acident... but seriosly there is a button Hide Spoilers
XtreMe_au
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia412 Posts
November 14 2013 12:48 GMT
#129
On November 14 2013 21:07 Kitaen wrote:
dear is the best player right now, sos is creative, JD is consistent, maru had sparks of brilliance and plays the best boxed series, part time polt had a very very strong years, MMA is back, bomber is bomber, innovation was a god at the start of hots and looks now mortal, mvp will not recover this time i feel, soulkey is somehow like JD in top notch zerg play aswell as his chokes, taeja and hero had a decent year aswell but nothing outstanding

there is def no best player this year
the title is shared between JD, dear, innovation, maru, soulkey and s0s


agree
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
November 14 2013 12:57 GMT
#130
God damn I can't get over this damn article. How much the WCG finals end up meaning in the long run is a legit discussion to have I suppose, but with this timing I get the feeling that waxangel simply didn't like the results so he wanted to remind everyone that's it's just for today, nothing to see here, just one day out of 365.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
November 14 2013 12:58 GMT
#131
On November 14 2013 09:08 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 09:06 TheEmulator wrote:
I think there is a typo in the title, should read "TheEmulator is The Best in the World".

At what?

at everything obviously
Moderatorlickypiddy
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
November 14 2013 13:30 GMT
#132
These TL writers are really great.
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
November 14 2013 13:34 GMT
#133
On November 14 2013 21:42 matthy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 21:31 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 21:27 matthy wrote:
come on TL wtf is wrong with you.
it stands on SPOILER FREE. and i see the guy with the trophy in his hand and below who won.
What else can't you spoile the score???

Why would you go to the TL front page if you don't want to be spoiled? That's silly


by acident... but seriosly there is a button Hide Spoilers


Its been almost a week since the finals ended and you are mad because a news site had a post article that had the winner in it not spoilered? How long are they supposed to be spoilered for?
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 13:46:35
November 14 2013 13:45 GMT
#134
There was never a Best in the World. Sorry it's all smoke and mirrors C.M. Punk.

On November 14 2013 21:57 11cc wrote:
God damn I can't get over this damn article. How much the WCG finals end up meaning in the long run is a legit discussion to have I suppose, but with this timing I get the feeling that waxangel simply didn't like the results so he wanted to remind everyone that's it's just for today, nothing to see here, just one day out of 365.


He'd be saying the same thing no matter who won.
11cc
Profile Joined May 2008
Finland561 Posts
November 14 2013 14:00 GMT
#135
On November 14 2013 22:45 StarStruck wrote:
There was never a Best in the World. Sorry it's all smoke and mirrors C.M. Punk.

Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 21:57 11cc wrote:
God damn I can't get over this damn article. How much the WCG finals end up meaning in the long run is a legit discussion to have I suppose, but with this timing I get the feeling that waxangel simply didn't like the results so he wanted to remind everyone that's it's just for today, nothing to see here, just one day out of 365.


He'd be saying the same thing no matter who won.

Since you say it so matter of factly I guess you must know better than me.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 14 2013 14:21 GMT
#136
On November 14 2013 23:00 11cc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 22:45 StarStruck wrote:
There was never a Best in the World. Sorry it's all smoke and mirrors C.M. Punk.

On November 14 2013 21:57 11cc wrote:
God damn I can't get over this damn article. How much the WCG finals end up meaning in the long run is a legit discussion to have I suppose, but with this timing I get the feeling that waxangel simply didn't like the results so he wanted to remind everyone that's it's just for today, nothing to see here, just one day out of 365.


He'd be saying the same thing no matter who won.

Since you say it so matter of factly I guess you must know better than me.

The only time I reckon this article wouldn't have been written is if Dear had won. None of the others had a legit claim to being the best pre-Blizzcon, and no one is clear now.
AdministratorBreak the chains
matthy
Profile Joined January 2013
66 Posts
November 14 2013 14:33 GMT
#137
On November 14 2013 22:34 YourGoodFriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 21:42 matthy wrote:
On November 14 2013 21:31 Zealously wrote:
On November 14 2013 21:27 matthy wrote:
come on TL wtf is wrong with you.
it stands on SPOILER FREE. and i see the guy with the trophy in his hand and below who won.
What else can't you spoile the score???

Why would you go to the TL front page if you don't want to be spoiled? That's silly


by acident... but seriosly there is a button Hide Spoilers


Its been almost a week since the finals ended and you are mad because a news site had a post article that had the winner in it not spoilered? How long are they supposed to be spoilered for?


forever ofcourse else you dont know what is spoilered and what not.
if you want to see results of something disable the hide spoilers box, or just click on the thing that has the spoilers hidden.

there is no reason to do half on half rigth?
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
November 14 2013 15:04 GMT
#138
On November 14 2013 15:34 KnowNothing wrote:
So, I predicted sOs to win the tournament, and not because he's the best player, because I LOOKED AT THE BRACKETS individually and worked it out, good work Rotterdam.

I wonder why people find the results so shocking. People seem to be way off on their evaluation of so many players:

-Bomber isn't nearly as strong a player as people say. Forget about him.
-Soulkey's playstyle has always made him consistently good but not #1
-Innovation is off-form, but will bounce back soon, still, he won't be clear #1 anytime soon
-Duckdeok is an opportunist. He just takes whatever shot he's got, his control is good and he's always going to be dangerous.
-JD is finally getting it, just has some psychological barriers to get through
-Dear is the best player in the world, which is exactly why he doesn't feel comfortable when someone is straight up outplaying him like JD did.
-Maru is overrated, but he obviously will get better
-sOs won because of the brackets. R1. He has strong PvP, so he beat Hero. R2. Polt can't handle these tournaments. R3: Bomber overrated. R4. Jaedong choking.
-The players I didn't mention had absolutely no chance.

Also, toss is strong right now, whether its just the players or the race itself I can't say. (This coming from a protoss fan)


You'll have to explain your logic right there.

"Dear is the best player in the world, which is exactly why he doesn't feel comfortable when someone is straight up outplaying him like JD did."

So, "He's the best but feels uncomfortable when outplayed".

Outplayed by... ? Someone bad ? How is he the best in the world then ? Someone good ? So maybe this guy is too close or even better and then that title of best in the world doesn't mean that much ?

Bomber being overrated is a joke also. Bomber has been relevant BUT inconsistent. It's some "relevant inconsistency". He would not have had these recent finishes otherwise... What defines Bomber is that he can beat anyone. I can say with no fear "Bomber can beat this dude". I will be more reluctant to say "Bomber WILL beat this dude". (Side note: somehow I love Bomber for that).

And for Polt, I don't even...
LiquipediaWanderer
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
November 14 2013 15:26 GMT
#139
Dear is still a good cannidate for top player. Two big tournament wins and then a good showing at Blizzcon.
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
November 14 2013 15:42 GMT
#140
So, "He's the best but feels uncomfortable when outplayed".

Outplayed by... ? Someone bad ? How is he the best in the world then ? Someone good ? So maybe this guy is too close or even better and then that title of best in the world doesn't mean that much ?



In every sport, the best players lose sometimes. Michael Jordan never had a season where his Bulls went undefeated. It happens. Everyone has off days, and thats even more true in something like SC2 where mind games and accurate guessing can play a large part in who ultimately wins.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
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